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mhead bee
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He just wasn't that good. His scoring level has been very poor in every team he has played for, southend need to stay up and this is not the way to do it IMO!
14 goals in 49 starts and 40 sub appearances aint good. 10 goals in his last 56 appearances!
Boston Bee
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How people's memories deceive them amazes me. He was poo! Between May and Harrold we had two of the slowest but can't jump for headers forwards in football. No one, but no one, was sad to see Prince Harry go. Let's not get all misty-eyed about him getting away. He was ****.
Not from me he wasn't, I thought at the time MA was wrong in letting him go as he had something to offer. But we got Rankin instead....
Still to late now and good luck to him at Southend
mhead bee
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yes, but unfortunately he only scored 2 other goals for us in 2 years!
mhead bee
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Another gem from MA..........
Matt harrold is poor.
I am more disapointed to see BBB join blackpool for 25K when we paid 50K for CW!!!
Burgess has gone from 400K a few years ago to 25K now. He has had injuries...but still!
Boston Bee
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To be fair, with the VERY limited funds we have this would have been a massive, massive gamble. If he broke down right away people on this board would be calling for Leroy's irresponsible head on a platter.
Too long odds for our short cash.
Too long odds for our short cash.
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Why would he 'blatantly lie'?
Yes, I am sure, in an ideal world he would like to add to the squad, but the financial mess at the club means it's not an ideal world as you rightly pointed out.
At the time of the interview, it was most probably fact. It could be possible that the said deal then fell through, due to, the players wage demands for example or his hands was then tied by the fact of Framptons injury!
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Why would he 'blatantly lie'?
Yes, I am sure, in an ideal world he would like to add to the squad, but the financial mess at the club means it's not an ideal world as you rightly pointed out.
At the time of the interview, it was most probably fact. It could be possible that the said deal then fell through, due to, the players wage demands for example or his hands was then tied by the fact of Framptons injury!
I would say the truth lies somewhere inbetween. Leroy is no mug and, like any other manager, will try and use the media to meet his own ends. But like you say, it is also entirely possible that we were 'close' to signing a midfielder - whether that means talking to one whose wage demands were too high, or just taking one on trial (Tapp), who knows? But to call it blatant lying is probably a bit strong, IMHO.
Les Beeavinu
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He may still be close. The deadline has passed for permanent signings, not loans.
rebus
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The fee would have been part of the wage budget allocated to Leroy. Burgess could have been the Coca-Cola kid instead of Moore.
I take it back - they are shelling out up to £100k dependant on appareances. apparently. Too much dough for us.
Les Beeavinu
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I refer the right honourable gentleman to point 3.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/5300370.stm
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I take it back - they are shelling out up to £100k dependant on appareances. apparently. Too much dough for us.
Plus we'd have spent half the Coca Cola money on his fee, the other half would have covered a quarter of his wages (???) and we'd have struggled to sign two more forwards like we have. So we'd have started the season with Owusu (injured), Burgess (injury prone) and Fitz, Willock and maybe one other and no centre half who had even played there for a whole season before.
Edmundo
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Maybe we were very close to getting in that midfielder, but it depended on offloading Fitz to Stevenage or Willock to Lincoln City and Leroy thought one or other had a reasonable chance of coming off. Then it's not a lie at all, is it? Give him a break, Mads!
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We were never going to sign anybody yesterday or last weeks, despite what the management said about trying to bring new players in. The squad is clearly not large enough, I wasn't asking us to spend money we don't have but a couple of free loanee's from premiership sides would not have hurt. Leroy said he was bringing in a goalkeeper for our first game but that didn't happen, lucky for us Clark Masters had an outstanding game and was unluckly to be dropped for our next game.
I agree with the attached quote, if they all came out and said their will not be anymore signing because of financial reasons or Leroy was happy with the squad that would have been the end of it, but that didn't happen.
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Why should we rush into loan signings from the Prem yesterday? we can still sign them now and what if they weren't available for free?
My opinion is we'll try to to get someone on loan now, see how they shape up and maybe sign them in Jaunary if we can shift some more deadwood. That sounds the best plan.
Mads Bee
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Ok, ok...but how can we sign anyone if there is no money? Whats the point of saying we are getting someone and not saying with it " but thats dependant on offloading tom, dick and harry"I feel LR is doing a great job but when I was asked a question by someone who doesnt access the GPG, why Brentford didnt sign anyone when it was publicised they would. My answer was that there was no money to sign anyone unless we sold off other players. The person replied, well thats not what was said...and I tend to agree.
However, lets retract"blatant lie" ... lets say he doesn't give the whole story.... is that better ??
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I feel LR is doing a great job but when I was asked a question by someone who doesnt access the GPG, why Brentford didnt sign anyone when it was publicised they would. My answer was that there was no money to sign anyone unless we sold off other players. The person replied, well thats not what was said...and I tend to agree.
However, lets retract"blatant lie" ... lets say he doesn't give the whole story.... is that better ??
In your original post you quoted Leroy from an interview on 15th August, on 18th August we signed Heywood and Carder-Andrews. :shrug:
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Not bad suggestion at least with loanee's you can always send them back, if you don't think they will benefit the squad.
Mads Bee
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Heywood was a done deal anyway, lets hope the 2k a week is worth it.
I hope I can be forgiven for not realising that "the midfielder" he was talking about was giving a Youth team player professional terms....
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Heywood was a done deal anyway, lets hope the 2k a week is worth it.
I hope I can be forgiven for not realising that "the midfielder" he was talking about was giving a Youth team player professional terms....
That's not what I meant. Heywood wasn't a done deal and maybe Leroy had to use a larger part of his budget to get him than he expected. If he didn't have enough left (or the one he wanted went elsewhere) then maybe the remaining money went on keeping Carder-Andrews here. Remember there were rumours of premiership clubs looking to recruit him.
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blunstone
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why should fulham or qpr or mr fayed do us any favours?
we have to stand on our own feet and not beg, borrow and steal.
time for a reality check for some of our fans me thinks. especially jharvey!
we have to stand on our own feet and not beg, borrow and steal.
time for a reality check for some of our fans me thinks. especially jharvey!
Boston Bee
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No of course not - it is just that the minute anyone here suggests that some money might possibly be available, say 50p found on the 65 bus, there is a cadre of "YOU HATE BRENTFORD!" posters that wonder why you're trying to bankrupt the club. You'll see: They'll be on sooner or later to ask if you realise the club is swimming in debt and that they couldn't afford tea bags last month.
[I'm actually on your side on this one]
[I'm actually on your side on this one]
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lol I can see it now... leroy gets on the train at brentford station and spots a fiver on the floor... think bubbles come out of his head as he imagines steve claridge scoring an overhead kick to get bees promoted in the playoff final... lol
by the way if anyone wants to linch me then i'm the one making a jharvey85 blurred shape in that direction
by the way if anyone wants to linch me then i'm the one making a jharvey85 blurred shape in that direction
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how many different transfer windows are there? bit confooozing with them opening and shutting... loan window opens 2mrw.
LR: "Because of the financial situation, we have to be prepared for every eventuality - which we are."
LR: "Because of the financial situation, we have to be prepared for every eventuality - which we are."
RoyalOakBee
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How have we bought Cox in then?
Dont believe the hype, do the math!!
Ships is on about 12-13K so £1500 we could afford because of the bums on seat effect he would have. Warnock does not want to loan him out for less than full wages recouperation apparently and we have been trying to persuade him otherwise.
Watch this space!!
Remember we can still get players in on loan and move some the other way which we have started with Fitz at AFC Wimbledon and I expect more to follow in coming weeks. It will be a test of the financial juggling skills of Mr Griffin coupled with his knowledge of players and managers. The longer we are up there challenging but losing 1000 fans on the budgeted home gates the quicker they will have to lure the fans back.
Les Beeavinu
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Has he got a big family then.
I can't see lapsed Bees fans flooding to Griffin Park because we've signed a journeyman forward.BTW, we say Maths in England.
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Has he got a big family then.
No and his missus hates football (although she's not bad to look at)
sonofabee
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We might get a few more through the gate as his family and friends are locals.Has he got a big family then.
BTW, we say Maths in England.
His old man was still on the door at The Piano Bar in Twickenham recently.
Haven't read whole thread but is this pure rumour or have we really tried to get him on loan and wages paid by blades?
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RoyalOakBee
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We could persuade Wally at the piano bar to sponsor his wages!! I will have a word with him.......chances!
We according to JG have been trying to persuade Warnock to loan him to us since beginning of August. Not a rumuor at all it came from the mouth of the man himself, he is in the know still and is not someone who is no longer "still in the know" as he no longer works at the club.
RoyalOakBee
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okay brainbox we had 1200 fans less than budgeted for on Tues.
Each fan through the gates is budgeted to be worth £10 to the turnover of the club so that is £12,000 we are losing. For 23 games that is £276,000 lost if we dont get the fans back through ther gate with the squad we have.
Would Shipperley score goals at this level? make us a better team? give Kuffour someone to play off? bring other players into the game?
No brainer for me.
We either lose £276000 or £12000 a game or we pay someone £12,000 a week in the hope he puts 1000 on the gate and gets us into the play offs!!
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I didn't realise it was so simple and predictable - But why limit your ambition to the play=offs? Let's pay someone £120,000 a week and get promoted
RoyalOakBee
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I didn't realise it was so simple and predictable - But why limit your ambition to the play=offs? Let's pay someone £120,000 a week and get promoted
Sorry Banana my point was can we afford him or not? we are losing the same amount it would take to pay him the whole of his wages. We could use JG relationship with him to persuade him to come to us and we could try to offer to pay less than the full amount as is the norm in loan deals. The question is would he put sufficient on the gate both by his signing and any improvement in doing so the team would get in terms of results? If the answer is yes and he would come then it seems to me that we would be in the same position financially but higher up the table bringing added revenue other than gate receipts.
Trial of Wijnhard apperas to rule it out now anyway and Southend are interested in taking him instead. Perhaps that would leave Matt Harold surplus to requirements and we should go for him instead???????????????? NOT
The question is one of the club's ambition coupled with a slightly less cautious grip on the financial purse strings. I look at the budgets and IMHO I believe it was and could still be an option.
NorthamptonBee
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To back you up, if we got him on loan I'd be compelled to come to GP to watch him.
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I understand that Shipperley is injured which is why he has yet to go out on loan and that several Championship teams want him.
No chance of his coming to us I fear!
No chance of his coming to us I fear!
Holysmit
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Hmm I think the conversation would go like this.
Bloke A: Oh Brentford are at home wanna go?
Bloke B; Nah no thanks
Bloke A: But they've got Neil Shipperly now
Bloke B: Really that fat old journeyman (has anyone seen his gut, I saw him at Norwich last year and it was huge) who's played a few games in the premiership that one
Bloke A: Thats the one, would you pay 15/20 quid to watch us now
Bloke B: Nah doesn't make much difference does it.
Ok so we would get more people through the turnstile if we were winning but there is no way in hell Shipperly would put even a 100 extra people on the gate a week.
Brain-dead Bee
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... unless Shipperley has that many relatives.If Sheff Utd want to loan him out free to give him match practice, then fine, he could do a job for us, but anyone who thinks he would put 1,000 on the gate must have a tenuous grasp of reality
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Brain-dead Bee;863006If Sheff Utd want to loan him out free to give him match practice said: