Warbs Programme Notes v Bolton

Warbs Programme Notes v Bolton

sponshagga said:
So the Doom and Gloomers have now become the Anti Warbs brigade...wonder who's fault it will be next year?
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If you see something you don't agree with, call it D&G, well done you. Warbs is going so MB must be part of that clan you describe.
 

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grepo said:
Fantastic season, not quite over yet. MB a fantastic owner and Warbs great manager undoubtedly our best since HC. Championship a great league to be in and hopefully promotion a reality next year. Did we really want to be scrapping out in the bottom 3 whilst playing at Craven Cottage next season. Let's be positive and look forward to the prospect of promotion next year and with a great new stadium to accommodate our growing support. COYR's!
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if we get promotion next season theres no way in a million years the following season will see premiership football at LR....the place will still be a building site and its gonna be 2/3 years at best from when the first brick is layed....and we're no nearer that first brick being layed at the moment either....we go up and its 10,000 at GP or fulham/qpr at best.....thats why we should have gone up this season as its the best chance we'll ever get....im not so sure that next season will give us the same chance ;)
 

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NorthamptonBee said:
If you see something you don't agree with, call it D&G, well done you. Warbs is going so MB must be part of that clan you describe.
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yep, if in doubt revert to the d and g brigade as the scapegoats for anything not going right !!! they still dont understand thats its mw's decision to leave....they probably think the d and g brigade are behind him leaving too lol lol

wheres hypa when you need him ??? ;)
 

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Bill Benn said:
Warburton can wriggle on this as much as he likes,but the facts are he took on his boss and lost. .... or stood up to his boss perhaps? :suspect: Then his escape route to Norwich failed when they chose someone else as their new manager. This is another fact? Where did you get this one from then? :suspect: the thought of permanent big name players coming in would upset the cosy team spirit Have you ever thought he might just have been right? :suspect:the trouble is in most things in life if you stand still you then start to go backwards. A 7th or 8th place finish in the Championship is hardly standing still :shrug:. I liken it to being on a long flight and getting upgraded to first class and instead of enjoying the fine food and champers you keep your seat in the upright position and opt for the packed lunch you had taken with you that ends up making you puke an hour before landing. Have you been listening to frank Zappa? :suspect: Warburton will look back at this decision and will "learn from this " after all I thought we all knew the saying ...never look a gift horse... I agree with most of this sentence, although I would change the word 'Warburton'.
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Disagree just about 100% with you on this one Bill. :shrug:
 

Warbs Programme Notes v Bolton

The more this season has gone on the more i have realised that despite what people think this was never a season of consolidation or a season we should be thankful for our consolation 7th or 8th place. we have spent a fairly large amount and have a solid structure from the boardroom down that other clubs fans have been jelous of throughout the season , i believe benham fully expected us to be in the top 6 and was willing to spend more in january but it never happened. We shouldnt be made to feel bad for being disappointed at a season which promised so much
 

Warbs Programme Notes v Bolton

Richard Lee mentioned a few months ago that against Benhams stats model, he told them that last season although finishing 2nd in league 1, that with the football played, shots, effective areas, etc we would have finished 10th in the Championship last season if all sides were matched against each other.

So 6th 7th or 8th although for a majority of supporters is seen as something we hadn't foreseen last August, you get the feeling the owner fully expected this and a bit more,
 

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Mick.C said:
Richard Lee mentioned a few months ago that against Benhams stats model, he told them that last season although finishing 2nd in league 1, that with the football played, shots, effective areas, etc we would have finished 10th in the Championship last season if all sides were matched against each other.

So 6th 7th or 8th although for a majority of supporters is seen as something we hadn't foreseen last August, you get the feeling the owner fully expected this and a bit more,
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Why anyone would want to leave the fantastic set up we have off the pitch beggars belief. Can't help but feel MB has been let down. He's probably weighed up that we'd finish 14th in the premier league next season. Stats don't lie
 

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sponshagga said:
Is he on here moaning? Must've missed it.
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No, he changed direction when things were going very well, he's a moaning old bugger. I would say he moaned the loudest but I bet he has his reasons.

I don't see much moaning on here, a lot of facts and a lot of good hopes for next season.
 

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Voice from the Braemar said:
yep, if in doubt revert to the d and g brigade as the scapegoats for anything not going right !!! they still dont understand thats its mw's decision to leave....they probably think the d and g brigade are behind him leaving too lol lol

wheres hypa when you need him ??? ;)
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Myself, I mostly agree that we needed a few quality new players in and do suspect that may have been a mistake by Warbs not to bring more in. What I don't agree with is piling in with a load of ***** rumours and retrospective know it all jibes. We have been unlucky with injuries towards the end of the season. Long was a great forward who would have done the job we needed. And who was to know Moore wouldn't work out? (although many claim superior knowledge on this). Also if the Times hadn't broke the news or there had been a bit more patience/discretion on that front, we wouldn't have lost those two games where the players were shocked and put off their stride. We would have been established in the play offs. Seems to me people are upset we are not likely to make it to the play offs and want a scapegoat to kick.

There is absolutlely no guarantee that the next Coach will have such a level of success in style or league position. Nobody has answered whether Uwe was brought in as a result of statistical analysis? Wonder what they will be accused of if we don't go up?
 

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vcmazz said:
I don't think anyone is to blame for the squad. I think it's fantastic. Certainly the best I've ever seen. It's just that someone upset it. I can't say who I think it was as it is taboo and this particular person is beyond blame.

Trouble is we put together some unbelievable performances and results earlier in the season far beyond expectations and this has caused some people to believe we really ought to be in the Premiership. Yes we could do with a decent striker. But then most clubs struggle to find effective strikers, not just us. :shrug:

Warbs has great contacts and a great eye for a player. I only hope that without the Tottenham lad next year, all the interest in Jota and the possible loss of other players, the new gaffer has a similar nose or we could be in for a far more disappointing season than this one. ;)
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You are so wonderfully off message, Mazzy, it's fantastic! lol Didn't you know that it has been scientifically proven that this has been a disappointing, failure of a season!? :wave: ;)
 

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NorthamptonBee said:
No, he changed direction when things were going very well, he's a moaning old bugger.
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if that's what you think fine, there's no logical reason for such a conclusion. He did something about an issue he perceived, rightly or wrongly. Moaning usually involves a lot of words and not much action. Somewhat different I think.


NorthamptonBee said:
I don't see much moaning on here, a lot of facts and a lot of good hopes for next season.
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Really, there's not much moaning? Ok if you say so
 
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IslandBee said:
You are so wonderfully off message, Mazzy, it's fantastic! lol Didn't you know that it has been scientifically proven that this has been a disappointing, failure of a season!? :wave: ;)
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You would be off message too if you were a dope smoking hippy living on an island lol
 

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heavywoollenbee said:
Whatever anyone says on here, Warbs has been a breath of fresh air for us and has provided us with the best football ever, and a fantastic springboard from which to move forward. I have nothing but the utmost respect for him, and the dignity with which he has conducted himself. Whatever the shortcomings of someone who has been in management for less than two years, I wouldn't dream of slagging him off on here. On the contrary, promotion or not, he leaves with my gratitude and complete respect.
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Same here
 

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sponshagga said:
if that's what you think fine, there's no logical reason for such a conclusion




Really, there's not much moaning? Ok if you say so
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No logic, we're 3rd or 4th in the League and Warbs is leaving, that says to me that the owner wasn't happy and changed direction, which part of all of that being a logical explanation are you struggling with?
 

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IslandBee said:
You are so wonderfully off message, Mazzy, it's fantastic! lol Didn't you know that it has been scientifically proven that this has been a disappointing, failure of a season!? :wave: ;)
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rofl rofl rofl

I can spot irony rofl rofl rofl

I wonder what Matthew Benham's answer would be if you asked him whether he thought this season was disappointing or not. What do you reckon he might say?
 

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sponshagga said:
Same here
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How lovely, if it was your club, your strategy, your millions and your employee had decided he disagreed and thought he had a better plan that subsequently failed, would you think Warbs was quite as wonderful ?
 

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sonofabee said:
How lovely, if it was your club, your strategy, your millions and your employee had decided he disagreed and thought he had a better plan that subsequently failed, would you think Warbs was quite as wonderful ?
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I would thank him for what he has achieved. Wish him all the best for the future and move on with no regrets.
 

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sponshagga said:
Myself, I mostly agree that we needed a few quality new players in and do suspect that may have been a mistake by Warbs not to bring more in. What I don't agree with is piling in with a load of ***** rumours and retrospective know it all jibes. We have been unlucky with injuries towards the end of the season. Long was a great forward who would have done the job we needed. And who was to know Moore wouldn't work out? (although many claim superior knowledge on this). Also if the Times hadn't broke the news or there had been a bit more patience/discretion on that front, we wouldn't have lost those two games where the players were shocked and put off their stride. We would have been established in the play offs. Seems to me people are upset we are not likely to make it to the play offs and want a scapegoat to kick.

There is absolutlely no guarantee that the next Coach will have such a level of success in style or league position. Nobody has answered whether Uwe was brought in as a result of statistical analysis? Wonder what they will be accused of if we don't go up?
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no ones looking for a scapegoat but the fact remains that we should have been play offs minimum and it probably wont happen.....its someones fault and its not mb's.....some of us on here have been saying since septemeber that we needed another forward.....it was so bleedin obvious even when we were winning games that its the thing thats missing....andre must be fed up and knackered at being left up there on his own for virtually the whole time....jan was the time to get a striker in and mw didnt.....thats about it really ;)
 

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Banana said:
Warbs writes his own programme notes unlike many other managers. I've found them very well written and good at getting his point across.

Today he mentioned that talking about January is pointless and he's sick of it and how everybody should be positive about the rest if the season. He then spent a whole column on his version of the truth.

Not sure that was a good use of his energy to be honest.
On a completely unrelated note did I see Harlee Dean playing up front today?


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THIS I stood there reading his program notes with three games to go and us needing to win those three games which would probably see us in the Play Offs and I felt deflated. Where was the rallying call to see us over the line??? It read to me as MW taking another opportunity to cover his back with regards the failures in the January transfer window and to be honest if you are a Bees fan and haven't been living on Mars for the last 3 months I am more than sure you are well aware of why MW says/believes players weren't signed. It was the last thing i expected to read in the penultimate home game and the last thing that I wanted to read. Had we already been out of the play offs then maybe I wouldn't have cared so much but fact is we aren't and we should have expected MW, as Banana says, to have used his energy to create program notes that focused on the job in hand and us getting behind the team for the final three games!
 

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Newport Pagnell Bee said:
rofl rofl rofl

I can spot irony rofl rofl rofl

I wonder what Matthew Benham's answer would be if you asked him whether he thought this season was disappointing or not. What do you reckon he might say?
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Well done - I had thought of putting two ;)s just in case!

MB, like everyone else, is entitled to his opinion, whatever that may be.
 

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Balders Bee said:
Why don't we ask some of the ITK to give us an insight if that's not betraying any confidences?
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Ok, I know everything and MW has turned into a billy big b***ock since he got the job. He thinks he knows better than MB, which he doesn't, so he can do one. Anything else, just let me know. :sorted:
 

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He's simply covering his back. Good manager. Nice bloke. Just, IMO, too naive.
 

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Sheerwater Bee said:
Ok, I know everything and MW has turned into a billy big b***ock since he got the job. He thinks he knows better than MB, which he doesn't, so he can do one. Anything else, just let me know. :sorted:
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Thanks I think your post tells me everything I need to know:sorted:
 

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shouldbee said:
When he talks about players demanding to start he's referring to loan players. Premier league clubs would not be happy to loan out a player to sit on our bench, they may as well stay where there are. Some people just don't get it ? :rolleyes:
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Could explain the Long situation.

Maybe he isn't/wasn't injured/sick.
 

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banburybee said:
Do you mean MB is to blame then say so. MB simply wanted to return to the structure in place when MWwas DOF and Uwe was manager. .
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This is one of the few interesting sentences in hundreds of pages of claims, counterclaims etc and something that has puzzled many people.

Many of us believed that the structure that supposedly is to exist in the future (see the Chairman's press conference earlier in the year)
was actually established in 2011 when MW was appointed DOF and UR team coach.

Banburybee's sentence seems to support that belief but seems to suggest that at some point it was changed.

As MB has been the owner throughout the period he must have acceded to that change. If that is correct the questions that arise are why and when.

Following on from that one is led to ask when did he decide that he wanted to revert to the original structure and why. If Banburybee's sentence is true, whatever the answers to the questions are it would seem to follow that MB came to the conclusion that he had made a mistake and that it is his decision .to revert to the status quo ante that has been so damaging.
 

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Debut1949 said:
This is one of the few interesting sentences in hundreds of pages of claims, counterclaims etc and something that has puzzled many people.

Many of us believed that the structure that supposedly is to exist in the future (see the Chairman's press conference earlier in the year)
was actually established in 2011 when MW was appointed DOF and UR team coach.

Banburybee's sentence seems to support that belief but seems to suggest that at some point it was changed.

As MB has been the owner throughout the period he must have acceded to that change. If that is correct the questions that arise are why and when.

Following on from that one is led to ask when did he decide that he wanted to revert to the original structure and why. If Banburybee's sentence is true, whatever the answers to the questions are it would seem to follow that MB came to the conclusion that he had made a mistake and that it is his decision .to revert to the status quo ante that has been so damaging.
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All MB's fault then. I can understand that. I mean what has MB ever done for Brentford FC? I'm looking for a detailed response from you on this one.
 

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Perhaps the status quo never changed but as more success came out way Warbs position became stronger. MB has shown considerable loyalty to his Managers and therefore was prepared to tolerate the situation. I understand that this loyalty has not always been reciprocated by the Managers he has employed
 

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Bill Benn said:
You would be off message too if you were a dope smoking hippy living on an island lol
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I'd never do that Bill! My Mrs says that would amount to cannibalism :eek:.
 

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Balders Bee said:
Maybe the 'Royal We' or maybe just the majority of Brentford fans who remain bemused by the entire situation..... you decide. Surely you Get it?
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I get it now,you believe you are the spokesman for the majority of fans,Do you really think they are that thick ?
 

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Debut1949 said:
This is one of the few interesting sentences in hundreds of pages of claims, counterclaims etc and something that has puzzled many people.

Many of us believed that the structure that supposedly is to exist in the future (see the Chairman's press conference earlier in the year)
was actually established in 2011 when MW was appointed DOF and UR team coach.

Banburybee's sentence seems to support that belief but seems to suggest that at some point it was changed.

As MB has been the owner throughout the period he must have acceded to that change. If that is correct the questions that arise are why and when.

Following on from that one is led to ask when did he decide that he wanted to revert to the original structure and why. If Banburybee's sentence is true, whatever the answers to the questions are it would seem to follow that MB came to the conclusion that he had made a mistake and that it is his decision .to revert to the status quo ante that has been so damaging.
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I've read this 3 or 4 times and have no idea what you are trying to say.
 
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