Warbs Programme Notes v Bolton

[banburybee]

It will start in earnest now , report in the sun today saying he was asked why he wasn't at the football league awards. He said he wasn't invited . The article then went on to say that BFC had a table for 10 at the do.

The article began " ever feel you are not wanted "

Hilarious.
Just keep the faith with MB, he's one of our own - hey, cue for a song

 

[nick logan]

Hilarious.
Just keep the faith with MB, he's one of our own - hey, cue for a song

I agree , would love to hear that saturday

 

[abee]

It will start in earnest now , report in the sun today saying he was asked why he wasn't at the football league awards. He said he wasn't invited . The article then went on to say that BFC had a table for 10 at the do.

The article began " ever feel you are not wanted "

:mad1:

Gosh........I wonder who leaked that to The Sun then. I couldn't begin to guess.........six hundred people there according to Cliff Crown who was tweeting away that he'd just arrived and he'd already met Natalie and Delia (I assume he means Sawyer and Smith..........dunno if Delia re-tweeted that she'd just met Cliff Crown) and The Sun with their eagle eyed reporters happen to erm..........'not see Mark Warburton in the crowd'.

The whole PR situation is simply ridiculous now...........Matthew Benham seemingly doesn't have a 'button man' either at BFC or at Smartodds..........someone to whom he can say 'Get this fixed' and it gets fixed. The sooner this season is over and we can start again the better for me.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

:mad1:

Gosh........I wonder who leaked that to The Sun then. I couldn't begin to guess.........six hundred people there according to Cliff Crown who was tweeting away that he'd just arrived and he'd already met Natalie and Delia (I assume he means Sawyer and Smith..........dunno if Delia re-tweeted that she'd just met Cliff Crown) and The Sun with their eagle eyed reporters happen to erm..........'not see Mark Warburton in the crowd'.

The whole PR situation is simply ridiculous now...........Matthew Benham seemingly doesn't have a 'button man' either at BFC or at Smartodds..........someone to whom he can say 'Get this fixed' and it gets fixed. The sooner this season is over and we can start again the better for me.

Naive abee I'm afraid. The Sun will have had reporters with a check list of names they expect to be at the event. They then get their dedicated team of reporters to sniff out a story on any absentees. That's how journalism works. Isn't it?

 

[aawharris]

I think MB needs Mike Ermantraut from Breaking Bad. Theres a man who "Could sort things out"

 

[nick logan]

:mad1:

Gosh........I wonder who leaked that to The Sun then. I couldn't begin to guess.........six hundred people there according to Cliff Crown who was tweeting away that he'd just arrived and he'd already met Natalie and Delia (I assume he means Sawyer and Smith..........dunno if Delia re-tweeted that she'd just met Cliff Crown) and The Sun with their eagle eyed reporters happen to erm..........'not see Mark Warburton in the crowd'.

The whole PR situation is simply ridiculous now...........Matthew Benham seemingly doesn't have a 'button man' either at BFC or at Smartodds..........someone to whom he can say 'Get this fixed' and it gets fixed. The sooner this season is over and we can start again the better for me.

Don't need Poirot for this i guess :suspect:

I agree MB needs a powerful figure to address these issues for next season .

I have lost count of the times i have had to listen to fans of other clubs tell me what a disgrace we are getting rid of MW, a fella yesterday was genuinely shocked when i told him the vast majority of fans love Matthew Benham and trust him implicitly.

It bloody annoys me that they and the media are so ignorant of the truth . Even the plumber this morning as i was about to leave for work said it , i missed my train to put him straight !

 

[NorthamptonBee]

I agree , would love to hear that saturday

Make it happen, I will join in.

 

[aawharris]

Naive abee I'm afraid. The Sun will have had reporters with a check list of names they expect to be at the event. They then get their dedicated team of reporters to sniff out a story on any absentees. That's how journalism works. Isn't it?

Or considering its the tabloid media, they could just make it all up and get away with it.
I thought THATS how journalism works...

 

[abee]

Naive abee I'm afraid. The Sun will have had reporters with a check list of names they expect to be at the event. They then get their dedicated team of reporters to sniff out a story on any absentees. That's how journalism works. Isn't it?

lol

 

[aawharris]

Don't need Poirot for this i guess :suspect:

I agree MB needs a powerful figure to address these issues for next season .

I have lost count of the times i have had to listen to fans of other clubs tell me what a disgrace we are getting rid of MW, a fella yesterday was genuinely shocked when i told him the vast majority of fans love Matthew Benham and trust him implicitly.

It bloody annoys me that they and the media are so ignorant of the truth . Even the plumber this morning as i was about to leave for work said it , i missed my train to put him straight !

I still have heated discussions with BRENTFORD FANS who still spout out "I cant believe MB is sacking MW" etc.
Im currently building a brick wall to smash my head against

 

[sonnyjim]

Make it happen, I will join in.

+ 3 more....
Love that song!!!

 

[unBEEliveable]

Make it happen, I will join in.

me three

 

[mpmbee]

I think MB needs Mike Ermantraut from Breaking Bad. Theres a man who "Could sort things out"

'No more half measures Cliff'

 

[Guildford Bee]

:mad1:

Gosh........I wonder who leaked that to The Sun then. I couldn't begin to guess.........six hundred people there according to Cliff Crown who was tweeting away that he'd just arrived and he'd already met Natalie and Delia (I assume he means Sawyer and Smith..........dunno if Delia re-tweeted that she'd just met Cliff Crown) and The Sun with their eagle eyed reporters happen to erm..........'not see Mark Warburton in the crowd'.

The whole PR situation is simply ridiculous now...........Matthew Benham seemingly doesn't have a 'button man' either at BFC or at Smartodds..........someone to whom he can say 'Get this fixed' and it gets fixed. The sooner this season is over and we can start again the better for me.

Don't worry, Cliff can do another interview to iron things out.

 

[The Pipe]

Leak probably from same source that, I undestand, spoke to the Times !!

 

[abee]

Don't worry, Cliff can do another interview to iron things out.

My day has just got worse!!!

 

[Banana]

Not sure this is worthy of Deep Throat

Journalist: Hi Mark, how was the FL Awards night
MW: Didn't go mate
J: Oh really? Why was that
MW: (off-hand) Just didn't get an invite that's all. Wasn't expecting one and anyway I was washing my hair.

J then manages to create dozens of posts on the GPG about an uninteresting non-event.

 

[Pauly Paul]

Clearly the detail has been leaked from inside the club but as we decided yesterday that this is a 'good leak'.....: then it's okay and presumably there won't be an investigation.

The way I read the report is that the 'magic forty' number is provided as an example and not a minimum requirement. You have interpreted the report as stating that a player who makes forty games gets £700,000 and someone on thirty nine gets 'zip'.

I don't believe it.

"Brentford have used 23 players during their Championship campaign so far and any player who has appeared 40 times can expect to trouser over £700,000."

Yes I probably misinterpreted this during the quick read and it's probably a tiered incentive pot as you suggest.

 

[abee]

Not sure this is worthy of Deep Throat

Journalist: Hi Mark, how was the FL Awards night
MW: Didn't go mate
J: Oh really? Why was that
MW: (off-hand) Just didn't get an invite that's all. Wasn't expecting one and anyway I was washing my hair.

J then manages to create dozens of posts on the GPG about an uninteresting non-event.

It's not about the GPG though is it??

It's another rather negative story and headline re the Club and it gives the impression to a casual reader that we are being petulant in not inviting the Team Manager as one of our table of ten.......if they've got the table size correct. I suppose that MW was invited and attended last year............if not our response is 'He's been asked in the past but has not been interested in attending'.

 

[Banana]

It's not about the GPG though is it??

It's another rather negative story and headline re the Club and it gives the impression to a casual reader that we are being petulant in not inviting the Team Manager as one of our table of ten.......if they've got the table size correct. I suppose that MW was invited and attended last year............if not our response is 'He's been asked in the past but has not been interested in attending'.

My point is that it was hardly MW's fault or anyone at the club for that matter. It's just crap journalism.

 

[mhead bee]

Your list is flawed.


Dirty boy!

I only have one name on my list.

 

[jlove]

Just visited The Sun's web site and there is a "select your team" drop list... which only seems to have 20 clubs on it. Shurely shome mishtake?

 

[mhead bee]

I believe because I have faith in MB that we will look to prepare properly and be in a good position to challenge for a top 6 slot if we don't get there this season.

.

That is basically it.

I don't know why people assume we will not be able to recruit new players in order to be competitive next season.

 

[mhead bee]

MW is right to give his side of the story. This season (MW's first and sadly only full season in charge) is reminiscent of Uwe's first full season when we just missed out on the play offs. Two fundamental differences: Uwe was given a chance to move the team on the following season and he was not shown the exit door with a third of his first full season to go! Under those circumstances MW and the team have done a remarkable job in securing at least a top 8 finish with a points tally even with 2 games left which would have merited the play offs in seasons gone by. Neil Lennon was the latest to declare his admiration for MW for this achievement. I for one take the observations of someone of that stature in the game very seriously.
In seasons gone by you could have argued that many of Brentford's long suffering supporters have deserved success and promotion in many ways more than the team itself as a reward for their faithfulness. For me this season the pendulum has swung the other way - it is the faithfulness of the management and the team and the excellent results and beautiful football that deserves the promotion whilst a number of fans are succumbing to delusions of grandeur.....

Groundhog day.

 

[Doovster]

That is basically it.

I don't know why people assume we will not be able to recruit new players in order to be competitive next season.

Also I believe FFP has been relaxed which will be to the benefit of a club like us. If I've not misunderstood a Championship club is allowed to make a loss of £2M but this can increase to £13M if owner funded. I think this season it was a Max loss of £6M.

That means MB can invest an additional £7M (if he chooses to do so of course). Hopefully let's us compete more against clubs with parachute payments.

 

[mhead bee]

Lack of incomings in January have very little to do with our, comparative, shortcomings in reaching the plays off. Try the number of BASIC errors at the back, not caused by the fatigue of too many games but by the inability to make proper decisions (i.e. pass or clear up field). Much is to be admired about our passing game but there are occasions when a hefty clearance is called for. 10 points from the last 21. Not promotion form.

We were desperate for a decent CB to stop the mistakes, one was lined up and MW said no he would rather stick with the 3 that have been making unforced errors all season, 2 of those players he stuck by have gifted 7-8 goals in the last month that have seen promotion disappear.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

We were desperate for a decent CB to stop the mistakes, one was lined up and MW said no he would rather stick with the 3 that have been making unforced errors all season, 2 of those players he stuck by have gifted 7-8 goals in the last month that have seen promotion disappear.

To be fair, we did sign a centre back. Who we loaned out straight away. Then called back. And didn't play.

 

[banburybee]

We were desperate for a decent CB to stop the mistakes, one was lined up and MW said no he would rather stick with the 3 that have been making unforced errors all season, 2 of those players he stuck by have gifted 7-8 goals in the last month that have seen promotion disappear.

Please please please promotion has not disappeared , you may have lost hope but some of us (hopefully 3000 plus on Saturday) still know that a win against Reading opens up the door for the last day. Its tough but certainly not a nutty call.
#still believe

 

[mhead bee]

To be fair, we did sign a centre back. Who we loaned out straight away. Then called back. And didn't play.

Just makes it worse doesn't it.

 

[JBN]

Naive abee I'm afraid. The Sun will have had reporters with a check list of names they expect to be at the event. They then get their dedicated team of reporters to sniff out a story on any absentees. That's how journalism works. Isn't it?

I thought they made it up as they went along.

Anyone who believes what is written in these rags, needs taking out and shooting for the good of humanity.

 

[longdistancebee]

Not sure this is worthy of Deep Throat

Journalist: Hi Mark, how was the FL Awards night
MW: Didn't go mate
J: Oh really? Why was that
MW: (off-hand) Just didn't get an invite that's all. Wasn't expecting one and anyway I was washing my hair.

J then manages to create dozens of posts on the GPG about an uninteresting non-event.

rofl

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

I agree , would love to hear that saturday

Make it happen, I will join in.

+ 3 more....
Love that song!!!

One Direction must be quaking in their boots at the thought of this new boy band.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

One Direction must be quaking in their boots at the thought of this new boy band.

Who mate?

 

[gbems92]

Please please please promotion has not disappeared , you may have lost hope but some of us (hopefully 3000 plus on Saturday) still know that a win against Reading opens up the door for the last day. Its tough but certainly not a nutty call.
#still believe

The hope will kill us and despite my head telling me the season is finished i cant help but hope too

 

[jlove]

We were desperate for a decent CB to stop the mistakes, one was lined up and MW said no he would rather stick with the 3 that have been making unforced errors all season, 2 of those players he stuck by have gifted 7-8 goals in the last month that have seen promotion disappear.

If you are referring to Bernardo Espinosa, his club, Sporting de Gijón, rejected the offer saying they were not selling in the window.

 

[banburybee]

One Direction must be quaking in their boots at the thought of this new boy band.

That's Brentford - only headed in one direction

 

[BlueJayBee]

The hope will kill us and despite my head telling me the season is finished i cant help but hope too

Last I heard, at the rehersal, the fat lady was complaining about a sore throat.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

Hello, bloody fool and numpty here. The fact that fellow supporters are being addressed in such a brainless way shows how divisive this whole episode has been. While the bullish approach described by abee might have worked, it ignores the fact that the results in the two months preceding the transfer window suggested that a play-off place, or better, could be attained without significant changes to the squad. MB had to weigh the potentially negative impact of enforcing change (e.g. departure of MW with associated discontent among the squad) against the potential benefits of increasing the squad. I think he was right to avoid the former option, but nothing will persuade me that it was a good idea to start making approaches to other potential managers in the middle of our most successful season in 75 years. We've witnessed the consequences.

It's been said so many times that some people just don't get it so I won't do so again.I suppose MB should have waited till the season finished to act. Wouldn't have upset you and Warburton but left us in the crap for next season but hey ho why should that matter MB can just keep forking out the dosh so never mind.

 

[Banana]

It's been said so many times that some people just don't get it so I won't do so again.I suppose MB should have waited till the season finished to act. Wouldn't have upset you and Warburton but left us in the crap for next season but hey ho why should that matter MB can just keep forking out the dosh so never mind.

I also think that waiting until the end of the season would have been preferable. But when the news is out, the game is up and people want to know where they stand.

 

[aawharris]

Hello, bloody fool and numpty here. The fact that fellow supporters are being addressed in such a brainless way shows how divisive this whole episode has been. While the bullish approach described by abee might have worked, it ignores the fact that the results in the two months preceding the transfer window suggested that a play-off place, or better, could be attained without significant changes to the squad. MB had to weigh the potentially negative impact of enforcing change (e.g. departure of MW with associated discontent among the squad) against the potential benefits of increasing the squad. I think he was right to avoid the former option, but nothing will persuade me that it was a good idea to start making approaches to other potential managers in the middle of our most successful season in 75 years. We've witnessed the consequences.

First question is - do you know WHY MB approached another manager? Not all quite as clear cut as the press want anyone to believe

 

[Ealing Bee]

In this context it is also worth remembering that Southampton have achieved this while coping with Pocchetino going to Spurs and being replaced by Koeman and with Reed stating well before the MW/MB story hit the press that he was in regular contact with potential future managers who could be in line for Koeman's job. They'll also almost certainly have detailed plans in place to cope with the departure of Reed and Hunter, just as well run corporations do in respect of their CEO etc.

And it wasn't just Pochettino they lost - it was also their Head of Recruitment, Paul Mitchell, who is/was very highly thought of. (Still only 33, btw.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Mitchell_(footballer,_born_1981)

 

[Leonardo]

To be fair when a CB wasn't signed (apart from O'Connell) Liam Moore was signed on loan which on paper looked a good signing but it didn't work out.

 

[SmiffyBee]

Liam Moore was signed on loan which on paper looked a good signing but it didn't work out.

Yes - Moore looked reem....

 

[nick logan]

One Direction must be quaking in their boots at the thought of this new boy band.

We got the looks , just the voices may need a bit of work

 

[NorthamptonBee]

We got the looks , just the voices may need a bit of work

BigRuss can help with that, he sings like Aled Jones at away games.

 

[exiledbee]

Could it possibly be that, as well has he has done getting us where we are, MW is a bit out of his depth regarding what's required to push on further ?
MB doesn't exactly come across as a fool, does he ?

 

[nick logan]

BigRuss can help with that, he sings like Aled Jones at away games.

Walking in the Airwair ?

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

Walking in the Airwair ?

:laugh:

 

[brentfordinmyveins]

How times have changed?

A few months ago everyone was raving about Mark Warburton - I still am!

I think he made a mistake not reinforcing in the January transfer window but over the course of the season (which is what matters) he has done very well. Whether that being 6th or 7th - what a great achievement. Thanks Mark Warburton for getting us promoted and then leaving us in a very respectable position in our first season in the championship - your successes must be celebrated.

 

[mhead bee]

How times have changed?

A few months ago everyone was raving about Mark Warburton - I still am!

I think he made a mistake not reinforcing in the January transfer window but over the course of the season (which is what matters) he has done very well. Whether that being 6th or 7th - what a great achievement. Thanks Mark Warburton for getting us promoted and then leaving us in a very respectable position in our first season in the championship - your successes must be celebrated.

Are you missing the point?

Nobody is criticising what MW has achieved other than his refusal to bring in the players in January that would have put us in the premiership. If he put his hands up to that and agreed to go ahead with Benhams structure we would all move on happily looking forward to next season.

MB wants to use the unique information he has at his disposal to bring in quality unknown players like Jota and Andre Gray, he wants to continue to to utilise the academy which has seen 10 players sign professional terms in the last week...outstanding achievement. MW however wants to run the ship in his own way so he is choosing to leave. It is the blatant disregarding of these facts by a group of die hard MW fans that causes so much frustration who either just don't get it or blatantly refuse to see the facts in front of them as to what is really happening. It is not a secret, but there's none so blind as those that will not see (or something)