Which are you....??

[nocoat]

Much as I respect, and like, many of the fatties that do so much for the saving of our great club.. they know who they are, and its only a bit of fun

There is one thing that nags me a wee bit... so quite simply which are you...

LOASA! or bias

Please vote accordingly :thumbs:

 

[FarnhamBee]

With a young family & DIY commitments I don't tend to make it to many away matches.

However, my current plan is to attend the 'closer' away games this season & MK ain't that far so lil' FB & I will probably make that one.

 

[I Predict A Riot]

LOASA! :bling:

 

[Lokster]

BIAS

But I don't like to talk about it.

 

[exactonian]

Sent off for my train tickets for MK Dons yesterday (Apex £19 just to get to London!) so LOASA

 

[beezy babe]

Definitely LOADSA!! Although it's effectively actually my first ever home game!! :bound:

 

[Dangerous]

BIAS

But I don't like to talk about it.

I shant be voting for you then if you think it is good to encourage our away fans to not attend.

Shame on you

 

[Lokster]

I shant be voting for you then if you think it is good to encourage our away fans to not attend.

Shame on you

That's OK Dangerous.

I wouldn't want you to vote for me if you feel that strongly about it, although if I lose by one vote I might have second thoughts?

Or would you rather I'd lied?

I wouldn't want to get elected under false pretences.**



**If that's how you spell it.

 

[Dangerous]

That's OK Dangerous.

I wouldn't want you to vote for me if you feel that strongly about it, although if I lose by one vote I might have second thoughts?

Or would you rather I'd lied?

I wouldn't want to get elected under false pretences.**



**If that's how you spell it.

Cool as I wont vote for anyone who thinks it is a good idea to ask fans of brentford not to support there team away from home what ever the circumstances I shall be asking others not to vote for you as well.
It is a disgrace that you can ask fans not to attend a Bees away game.

I sincerley hope you are not elected and if you elected I will have to give up on supporting the Bees until you have stepped down.

 

[Banana]

It is a disgrace that you can ask fans not to attend a Bees away game.

I will have to give up on supporting the Bees until you have stepped down.

Does this also apply to the members of the BIAS committee Dangerous?

Also have you asked what the individual members of the current BFC Board's views are and will take similar action if any support that fact that we shouldn't go to MK?

 

[nocoat]

calm down, calm down!!!

only meant to be a bit of fun

 

[Dangerous]

Does this also apply to the members of the BIAS committee Dangerous?

Also have you asked what the individual members of the current BFC Board's views are and will take similar action if any support that fact that we shouldn't go to MK?

If I see in the Match Day Programme or on the Official site asking bees fans not attend Brentford away because of some w**nky club south of the river well then I will ask for my season ticket money as well as the 4 junior ones I have purchased back and not attend until I am satisfied.

 

[Lokster]

Cool as I wont vote for anyone who thinks it is a good idea to ask fans of brentford not to support there team away from home what ever the circumstances I shall be asking others not to vote for you as well.
It is a disgrace that you can ask fans not to attend a Bees away game.

I sincerley hope you are not elected and if you elected I will have to give up on supporting the Bees until you have stepped down.

Dangerous,
I have made my opinions quite clear about why I do not think Bees fans should go to MK Dons. I have also made it quite clear that in the end it's a personal decision. If you want to go, go. If you don't, don't.

Perhaps all the other candidates should tell you want they will be doing? Not that you are likely to get an honest answer now.

I feel as strongly about not going as you do about going. I ain't going to pretend otherwise and if it loses me your vote (and everyone elses vote) that's the way it's going to be.

I don't like MK Dons and what they represent. I think that with discussions emerging regarding us groundsharing with rugby clubs and QPR have reared their ugly head again we are not yet in a position to avoid a fate similar to Wimbledon/AFC/MK Dons.

There is already a thread on the gpg that makes it clear that some people would not watch a Brentford FC not in a reasonable distance of Brentford. With MK Dons in existence there is nothing to stop someone doing the same thing to us. That's why I won't go.

So I'm sorry I've lost the LOASA vote.

That's how I feel.

 

[Dangerous]

Dangerous,
I have made my opinions quite clear about why I do not think Bees fans should go to MK Dons. I have also made it quite clear that in the end it's a personal decision. If you want to go, go. If you don't, don't.

Perhaps all the other candidates should tell you want they will be doing? Not that you are likely to get an honest answer now.

I feel as strongly about not going as you do about going. I ain't going to pretend otherwise and if it loses me your vote (and everyone elses vote) that's the way it's going to be.

I don't like MK Dons and what they represent. I think that with discussions emerging regarding us groundsharing with rugby clubs and QPR have reared their ugly head again we are not yet in a position to avoid a fate similar to Wimbledon/AFC/MK Dons.

There is already a thread on the gpg that makes it clear that some people would not watch a Brentford FC not in a reasonable distance of Brentford. With MK Dons in existence there is nothing to stop someone doing the same thing to us. That's why I won't go.

So I'm sorry I've lost the LOASA vote.

That's how I feel.

Fair enough Lockster

 

[AshfordBee]

Dangerous,
I have made my opinions quite clear about why I do not think Bees fans should go to MK Dons. I have also made it quite clear that in the end it's a personal decision. If you want to go, go. If you don't, don't.

Perhaps all the other candidates should tell you want they will be doing? Not that you are likely to get an honest answer now.

I feel as strongly about not going as you do about going. I ain't going to pretend otherwise and if it loses me your vote (and everyone elses vote) that's the way it's going to be.

I don't like MK Dons and what they represent. I think that with discussions emerging regarding us groundsharing with rugby clubs and QPR have reared their ugly head again we are not yet in a position to avoid a fate similar to Wimbledon/AFC/MK Dons.

There is already a thread on the gpg that makes it clear that some people would not watch a Brentford FC not in a reasonable distance of Brentford. With MK Dons in existence there is nothing to stop someone doing the same thing to us. That's why I won't go.

So I'm sorry I've lost the LOASA vote.

That's how I feel.

Seems reasonable enough to me, everyone is entitled to their own opinion

 

[Bee H]

I'm in the LOASA camp due to being very disillusioned with BIAS as they've not appeared to have pressed the current inadequate Board of Directors re PR, transparency, Noades/Altonwood etc., etc., but simply appeared like lemmings and will probably follow BU and larrysigny off the cliff !

 

[Lokster]

I'm in the LOASA camp due to being very disillusioned with BIAS as they've not appeared to have pressed the current inadequate Board of Directors re PR, transparency, Noades/Altonwood etc., etc., but simply appeared like lemmings and will probably follow BU and larrysigny off the cliff !

Bee H,

I agree about the quietness. I think BIAS (especially) should be the 'awkward' wing. Asking questions in public and demanding answers not just accepting the status quo.

Perhaps you come to one of their meetings and help point them in the right direction.

 

[Ace Face]

With mass resignations from the Bias committee at the next AGM, this is a prefect opportunity for fresh blood to get involved and let us old warhorses put on our slippers and sit back.

I have a relaxed atitude about franchising and posters views, as we can`t all agree all of the time. I do find it strange that some posters will show passion against volunteers and then let individuals on "going-rate" salaries off scott free.

I do find it dissappointing that BU and BFC have been so quiet on the visit of Franchise FC. Of course I know privately how much they hate the idea of having Franchise FC being part of the FL and playing at GP. I know that at least one BFC Director is planning to boycott the BFC Boardroom tonight and was to encourage other directors to follow suit.

The small protest tonight is not about solely AFC, it is about primarily football franchising and remembering how close we were from becoming the first victims, when Altonwood proposed moving us to Woking with the help of Woking Council.

But lets all keep a smile on our faces and respect each others different views. I certainly don`t want to fall out with anyone.

Finally from all the Bias committee members who are taking a step back, can I urge you all to think about donating some time and take our places.

Up the BEES!

 

[Dangerous]

With mass resignations from the Bias committee at the next AGM, this is a prefect opportunity for fresh blood to get involved and let us old warhorses put on our slippers and sit back.

I have a relaxed atitude about franchising and posters views, as we can`t all agree all of the time. I do find it strange that some posters will show passion against volunteers and then let individuals on "going-rate" salaries off scott free.

I do find it dissappointing that BU and BFC have been so quiet on the visit of Franchise FC. Of course I know privately how much they hate the idea of having Franchise FC being part of the FL and playing at GP. I know that at least one BFC Director is planning to boycott the BFC Boardroom tonight and was to encourage other directors to follow suit.

The small protest tonight is not about solely AFC, it is about primarily football franchising and remembering how close we were from becoming the first victims, when Altonwood proposed moving us to Woking with the help of Woking Council.

But lets all keep a smile on our faces and respect each others different views. I certainly don`t want to fall out with anyone.

Finally from all the Bias committee members who are taking a step back, can I urge you all to think about donating some time and take our places.

Up the BEES!

You are doing this red card scheme in support of AFC Wimbledon full stop.
I am pretty fed up of all this crap.
When the bees had webb in charge Bees fans took a lorry to his hometown and his front door with a sign on.

If AFC Have problems with the the directors of MK Dons well go down there and do something about it and Aim your anger at them not MK Dons fans.
Dont ask us bees fans to boycott on behalf of another team.
Let them fight there own battles.
I promise you I will rip all the red cards that are given to me tonight as I do not support the AFC crap.and as A paying member of tonights game I wont have this crap thrown in my face. Do what you like but leave fans alone who dont give a crap about AFC or Wimbledon.

 

[Ace Face]

Dangerous - You are fully entitled to your views and I suggest you don`t take a red card and instead politely walk past others who have a different view to you.

You are the sort of person the Bias committee needs, full of passion and like me prepared to stand by their personal views. Please stand Sir.

 

[Dangerous]

Dangerous - You are fully entitled to your views and I suggest you don`t take a red card and instead politely walk past others who have a different view to you.

You are the sort of person the Bias committee needs, full of passion and like me prepared to stand by their personal views. Please stand Sir.

You Must be Joking I only stand as a fan of BFC and no other clubs.

I wont take a red card and if offered I will burn it but I will respect other people veiws as long as they respect and relaise that there are a lot of Fans who dont care about AFC or anyone else.

 

[beezy babe]

I was asked to stand for BIAS some time ago (because they wanted a girl on the committee I think!!) and probably would have done if other committments hadn't made it impossible. However, recently I have been very glad that I didn't. I was stupidly under the illusion that BIAS was there to promote the interests of Brentford fans, whereas every communcation that I have read from this committee recently has been about a totally different club. Everyone is entitled to their opinions about the Dons issue (even if I do get bored of hearing some of them lol) but I am beginning to feel that BIAS has got its priorities a bit mixed up.

 

[Banana]

What has BIAS had to say about the closed-season organisational changes at BFC? Anything?

 

[Lokster]

I was asked to stand for BIAS some time ago (because they wanted a girl on the committee I think!!) and probably would have done if other committments hadn't made it impossible. However, recently I have been very glad that I didn't. I was stupidly under the illusion that BIAS was there to promote the interests of Brentford fans, whereas every communcation that I have read from this committee recently has been about a totally different club. Everyone is entitled to their opinions about the Dons issue (even if I do get bored of hearing some of them lol) but I am beginning to feel that BIAS has got its priorities a bit mixed up.

If you had stood though Beezy it might not have gone that way. You could have made the point you made in this e-mail to the BIAS board.

I think any arguements about loyalty to Bees based on your opinions about MK Dons are wrong. And just because someone doesn't like MK Dons, doesn't mean they automatically 'like' AFC Wimbledon.

I'm a Brentford supporter first, last and always. I won't have my loyalty questioned just because I'm anti-MK Dons and I wouldn't dream of questionning anyone elses commitment to Brentford just because they couldn't give a **** about them one way or the other.

So Beezy, Dangerous, Banana and everyone else. If we want BIAS to 'promote the interests of Brentford fans' then we should get involved.

 

[Ace Face]

Banana - I fully agree that Bias needs to be much more vocal and that failure on my behalf is one of many reasons, why I am stepping back to help solely with ABeeC. The last few years have been hardwork and I want to sit in the stands now.

Bias needs some fresh blood with new ideas and views to come forward, otherwise the ISA will be no more after the AGM.

I would however ask, they we keep it friendly and not have stupid wars in cyber or public space.

I blame Stedders for everything.

 

[Dangerous]

If you had stood though Beezy it might not have gone that way. You could have made the point you made in this e-mail to the BIAS board.

I think any arguements about loyalty to Bees based on your opinions about MK Dons are wrong. And just because someone doesn't like MK Dons, doesn't mean they automatically 'like' AFC Wimbledon.

I'm a Brentford supporter first, last and always. I won't have my loyalty questioned just because I'm anti-MK Dons and I wouldn't dream of questionning anyone elses commitment to Brentford just because they couldn't give a **** about them one way or the other.

So Beezy, Dangerous, Banana and everyone else. If we want BIAS to 'promote the interests of Brentford fans' then we should get involved.

Why dont you start showing you care about BFC and not some other club regardless of the situation.All BIAS have done is help create a divide against Bees fans and that is no good,with there press reports and website saying boycott the Bees. as far as I am concerned they are a crap outfit who have created this problem and make me ruddy mad for even asking us to support another team over the bees for a day. now either BIAS starts supporting us Bees and then maybe just maybe you may get some fans but you must lead from the front BIAS to win the fans and asking us to support your AFC project was not a good start.

 

[beezy babe]

If you had stood though Beezy it might not have gone that way. You could have made the point you made in this e-mail to the BIAS board.

I think any arguements about loyalty to Bees based on your opinions about MK Dons are wrong. And just because someone doesn't like MK Dons, doesn't mean they automatically 'like' AFC Wimbledon.

I'm a Brentford supporter first, last and always. I won't have my loyalty questioned just because I'm anti-MK Dons and I wouldn't dream of questionning anyone elses commitment to Brentford just because they couldn't give a **** about them one way or the other.

So Beezy, Dangerous, Banana and everyone else. If we want BIAS to 'promote the interests of Brentford fans' then we should get involved.

I think you are missing my point! My point was that I haven't heard a committee that is supposedly meant to be about Brentford say anything about Brentford over recent months. I have read several communications from BIAS on here and they have all concerned MK Dons!!

I should hope you wouldn't question anyone's support of Brentford because they refuse to boycott the MK match. If anything, I would question the loyalty of those fans who do boycott the game as they are obviously prioritising that principle above supporting their team! However, I wasn't questioning the commitment of the BIAS committee members to Brentford, I was questioning the role of BIAS, given that it doesn't actually appear to make any comment about Brentford issues.

And, as I explained in my last email, my reluctance to stand for BIAS was due to lack of time due to work commitments and the fact that I live so far away, rather than any other reason. Your comment that if we want to represent the interests of Bees fans then we should be involved seems ridiculous to me. Surely the point of a committee such as BIAS is to represent the interests of a larger group such as Bees fans - or are you suggesting that all of us should stand? Surely the committee members should be taking feed back from Bees fans onboard and acting on it?

 

[nocoat]

I would however ask, they we keep it friendly and not have stupid wars in cyber or public space.

:yes: I am with Bish on this

I will to a :thumbs: to red carders and those who boycott... but I will respect that just cos they are a bit gay they are still brentford friends

 

[Lokster]

Why dont you start showing you care about BFC and not some other club regardless of the situation.All BIAS have done is help create a divide against Bees fans and that is no good,with there press reports and website saying boycott the Bees. as far as I am concerned they are a crap outfit who have created this problem and make me ruddy mad for even asking us to support another team over the bees for a day. now either BIAS starts supporting us Bees and then maybe just maybe you may get some fans but you must lead from the front BIAS to win the fans and asking us to support your AFC project was not a good start.

Dangerous,

The only club I care about is BFC.

I happen to agree that with all that's been happening at Griffin Park over the last few months BIAS would have been better concentrating on that than pushing anti-MK Dons campaigns.

 

[beezy babe]

And another thing...who is paying for these bits of red card?

 

[nocoat]

BIAS members I would imagine... such as Big Ed

 

[Dangerous]

:yes: I am with Bish on this

I will to a :thumbs: to red carders and those who boycott... but I will respect that just cos they are a bit gay they are still brentford friends

I like Bish as A bees fan and a gentleman & will always have a beer with him. but I hate his views on AFC like he hates me veiws on most of the drivel I come out with, Il actulay blame a lot of the Ill Feeling I have towards his BIAS committe as his fault for even asking us Bees Fans to boycott a bees match and then watch another team.

 

[beezy babe]

BIAS members I would imagine... such as Big Ed

In which case I am glad that I don't put any money into BIAS!! If BU started to do silly things like this then I'd have to stop my standing order!!

 

[Lokster]

I think you are missing my point! My point was that I haven't heard a committee that is supposedly meant to be about Brentford say anything about Brentford over recent months. I have read several communications from BIAS on here and they have all concerned MK Dons!!

My apologies.

I should hope you wouldn't question anyone's support of Brentford because they refuse to boycott the MK match. If anything, I would question the loyalty of those fans who do boycott the game as they are obviously prioritising that principle above supporting their team!

I'm not rising to that bait Ms Beezy. We've had this discussion before and I keep explaining my reasons for not going PERSONALLY and I keep pointing out that every other Brentford fan went I still wouldn't go. Sorry.


However, I wasn't questioning the commitment of the BIAS committee members to Brentford, I was questioning the role of BIAS, given that it doesn't actually appear to make any comment about Brentford issues.

I happen to agree that BIAS's priority should be Brentford.

And, as I explained in my last email, my reluctance to stand for BIAS was due to lack of time due to work commitments and the fact that I live so far away, rather than any other reason.

I know.

Your comment that if we want to represent the interests of Bees fans then we should be involved seems ridiculous to me.

I'm sorry you think that it wasn't meant to imply that.

Surely the point of a committee such as BIAS is to represent the interests of a larger group such as Bees fans - or are you suggesting that all of us should stand? Surely the committee members should be taking feed back from Bees fans onboard and acting on it?

I do not disagree.

I think I should return to my promise not to say anything that I made on a previous MK Dons thread.

 

[beezy babe]

I think I should return to my promise not to say anything that I made on a previous MK Dons thread.

Yep me too This is a different issue however. I am not getting into yet another argument about MK Dons. I merely wanted to question the purpose of BIAS given that it doesn't seem to have very much to do with Brentford recently!!

Plus I was bored lol

 

[Ace Face]

All

I urge some of you fans who are unhappy or interested, to volunteer for the committee or otherwise after Nov, we will have no ISA to discuss.

I am sure that Bias has made some mistakes over the years, as well as many fantastic campaigns. But I think standing up against football franchising is not one of those mistakes.

For me personally, giving Franchise FC funds, is like crossing a picket line. I won`t do it. However, I fully understand others views and hope you have a giood day if you are going to The National Franchise Stadium.

If that view is not acceptable to canvassed Bias members, I will gladly resign tomorrow.

 

[beezy babe]

All

I urge some of you fans who are unhappy or interested, to volunteer for the committee or otherwise after Nov, we will have no ISA to discuss.

I am sure that Bias has made some mistakes over the years, as well as many fantastic campaigns. But I think standing up against football franchising is not one of those mistakes.

For me personally, giving Franchise FC funds, is like crossing a picket line. I won`t do it. However, I fully understand others views and hope you have a giood day if you are going to The National Franchise Stadium.

If that view is not acceptable to canvassed Bias members, I will gladly resign tomorrow.

Rather than reiterating your view on franchising (that I am sure we are all aware of) perhaps you would like to explain why franchsing appears to be such a high priority of BIAS that you don't appear to have done anyting recently that is actually directly Brentford related? I am asking a question here and yet all I am hearing are the same arguments about MK Dons and nothing about BIAS!!

On a more personal note (sorry Bish) - don't you think calling MK Dons and their ground silly names is slightly juvenile?

 

[Womble]

You Must be Joking I only stand as a fan of BFC and no other clubs.

I wont take a red card and if offered I will burn it but I will respect other people veiws as long as they respect and relaise that there are a lot of Fans who dont care about AFC or anyone else.

Well said again mate

 

[Ace Face]

Beezy

I think franchising is such a big issue for us personally, as we were very close to being the first victims and it took us all a lot of hard work convincing the FL to stop Woking. As for not commenting on BFC issues I admit this is a failure, and not blowing our trumpet as to what we are actually doing is another failure.

Also Bias has become to close to BU another mistake.

I admit personally referring to MK Dons as Franchise FC is jevunile, but I cannot see how they can call themselves MK Dons??

I think with hindsight, we should have asked for help six months a go and not let things drift at Bias.

 

[beezy babe]

Beezy

I think franchising is such a big issue for us personally, as we were very close to being the first victims and it took us all a lot of hard work convincing the FL to stop Woking. As for not commenting on BFC issues I admit this is a failure, and not blowing our trumpet as to what we are actually doing is another failure.

Also Bias has become to close to BU another mistake.

I admit personally referring to MK Dons as Franchise FC is jevunile, but I cannot see how they can call themselves MK Dons??

I think with hindsight, we should have asked for help six months a go and not let things drift at Bias.

I understand why BIAS are against franchising but that still doesn't explain why BIAS are not visibly doing anyting that is DIRECTLY related to Brentford.

And I was referring to your name for the ground - that is called the National Hockey Stadium - or do you disagree with that title too?

I don't mean to give you stress personally for this Bish, but there are so many important issues within our own club and it fruistrates the hell out of me that one of our supporters associations seems to think that the MK Dons issue is more important than these!!

 

[JBN]

With a young family & DIY commitments I don't tend to make it to many away matches.

However, my current plan is to attend the 'closer' away games this season & MK ain't that far so lil' FB & I will probably make that one.

Me too, JBN & JBN jnr along with a couple of CAFC fans who live in MK and are closet Bees fans

 

[BBeeC]

Ok for the unitiated what do BIAS do that Bees United don't? And what does LOASA stand for?

 

[Banana]

Ok for the unitiated what do BIAS do that Bees United don't? And what does LOASA stand for?

I know I know I know :bound: :bound: :bound:

1) BIAS is meant to be nasty to Uncle Ron when BU doesn't want to be. (well that's what I woz told)

2) Leave Our Away Support Alone. (or is it Let Out Away Support Abstain?)

 

[Luton Bee]

I was asked to stand for BIAS some time ago (because they wanted a girl on the committee I think!!)

That's not entirely true Beezy!

 

[Luton Bee]

I Leave Our Away Support Alone.

Leave it alone? I wouldn't touch most of it with a wet dishcloth!!!

 

[BBeeC]

I know I know I know :bound: :bound: :bound:

1) BIAS is meant to be nasty to Uncle Ron when BU doesn't want to be. (well that's what I woz told)

2) Leave Our Away Support Alone. (or is it Let Out Away Support Abstain?)

and we have to chose one or the other because?

 

[Banana]

and we have to chose one or the other because?

1. nocoat (de facto leader of the LOASA movement) wants the travelling support to go MK Dons to support the team

2. BIAS don't.

 

[BBeeC]

So an association set up to support Brentford don't want the fans to support the club :scratch:

that makes it a no brainer

 

[beezy babe]

That's not entirely true Beezy!

Which bit isn't true? I was definitely asked to stand!!!

 

[nocoat]

1. nocoat (de facto leader of the LOASA movement) wants the travelling support to go MK Dons to support the team

2. BIAS don't.

well I don't know what de facto means.... but i sure as hell want all bees to got to all away games that they can :bound: