Yellow card - HELP

[longtimeagobee]

Can you point me to where the club has said this is to "stop touts"? Thanks very much in advance.

So just to confirm, it's absolutely nothing to do with this? And is purely to maximise profits (regardless of reasons)?

Unless you’re a tout why would this concern you?. If you can’t go , stick it on the exchange. If you can’t go & exchange is closed , take a yellow for the team?

 

[ruislip bee]

You have my permission, yes. Just print this reply out, laminate it and then carry it on your person at all times please. ?

Is this going to be the official ID between members? If so I'll need a laminator. Is that similar to a moderator?

 

[larrysigny]

Unless you’re a tout why would this concern you?. If you can’t go , stick it on the exchange. If you can’t go & exchange is closed , take a yellow for the team?

And if you DO use the Exchange and the ticket is re-sold - do you still accept a "a yellow for the team"?

 

[longtimeagobee]

And if you DO use the Exchange and the ticket is re-sold - do you still accept a "a yellow for the team"?

No . The club must have f***ed up I guess.

 

[aslan]

Unless you’re a tout why would this concern you?. If you can’t go , stick it on the exchange. If you can’t go & exchange is closed , take a yellow for the team?

Because it's causing Brentford fans unnecessary worry, hassle and time. We are told the purpose is to weed out touts, it cannot do that so it is not fit for purpose.
It's a scheme that's been designed to make a few extra quid on STHs being dressed up as an attempt to address an issue (which it doesn't!) and is causing STHs unnecessary agro. Why would that not concern a Brentford fan?

No yellows here, nor am I tout, fwiw.

 

[aslan]

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So there you have it. The reason is to increase revenue. Thank you very mucy

Which was my initial point that you tried to pull me up on..
So they haven't said its to keep our STs at the current price, as you said?

 

[longtimeagobee]

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Because it's causing Brentford fans unnecessary worry, hassle and time. We are told the purpose is to weed out touts, it cannot do that so it is not fit for purpose.
It's a scheme that's been designed to make a few extra quid on STHs being dressed up as an attempt to address an issue (which it doesn't!) and is causing STHs unnecessary agro. Why would that not concern a Brentford fan?

No yellows here, nor am I tout, fwiw.

Unnecessary worry , hassle & time? Unnecessary Agro?
If that’s what keeping Bees fans awake at night , I’d say we’re all doing pretty well considering all the other sh*t going on at the mo.
TFL have renamed the Overground lines FFS?

 

[vcmazz]

Does the ferry get you to Feltham in good time for a 3.00 pm kick off?

It's an overnight stay. The only option would be air travel but I'd have to get to Heathrow for that so it wouldn't make logistical sense.

 

[aslan]

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Unnecessary worry , hassle & time? Unnecessary Agro?
If that’s what keeping Bees fans awake at night , I’d say we’re all doing pretty well considering all the other sh*t going on at the mo.
TFL have renamed the Overground lines FFS?

??‍ That's what this thread is about, is it not?
All for the sake of the club trying to get an extra £10k/match whilst pretending to give a f*** about touts..

 

[Banana]

Because it's causing Brentford fans unnecessary worry, hassle and time. We are told the purpose is to weed out touts,

Oh FFS. You can lead a horse to water....

 

[Banana]

Which was my initial point that you tried to pull me up on..
So they haven't said its to keep our STs at the current price, as you said?

@hobbsy, please help!

 

[StevieSteve]

And if you DO use the Exchange and the ticket is re-sold - do you still accept a "a yellow for the team"?

But the logs say you didn't, so while the club may have f***ed up, the evidence suggests that you did.

But, as I've said earlier, 1 card doesn't matter in any way whatsoever.

 

[tivadvir]

My PERSONAL view is that while touts can easily sell their season tickets for the Big 6, plus a couple others, selling tickets at an inflated price for say Bournemouth, Luton, Burnley and Sheffield (at least, this season) is going to be difficult.
@AB can jump in with expertise here potentially, but breaking a contract (a ST) by ‘proving’ that an away fan sat in that seat is more difficult than using the yellow cards to revoke them instead.

 

[Silly Hat]

Is this going to be the official ID between members? If so I'll need a laminator. Is that similar to a moderator?

Laminators are more useful.

 

[benfleetbee]

Is this going to be the official ID between members? If so I'll need a laminator. Is that similar to a moderator?

No. I think a moderator is similar to a terminator. So I've been told

 

[aslan]

My PERSONAL view is that while touts can easily sell their season tickets for the Big 6, plus a couple others, selling tickets at an inflated price for say Bournemouth, Luton, Burnley and Sheffield (at least, this season) is going to be difficult.
@AB can jump in with expertise here potentially, but breaking a contract (a ST) by ‘proving’ that an away fan sat in that seat is more difficult than using the yellow cards to revoke them instead.

Sorry Tiv, but despite what @Banana has said earlier in this thread and what the club have said the 2 issues are not related. How can an away fan get a yellow card for not entering the stadium?
Any tout can then also put their ticket on the exchange for any they struggle to sell. No yellows.

My issue is the club coming up with a scheme that threatens STH and lying about their reasons for doing so. Maybe I'm in a minority for thinking that's an issue, but it seems to be a worrying indication of the culture on the business side of the club

 

[Banana]

My issue is the club coming up with a scheme that threatens STH and lying about their reasons for doing so

you're obviously having some comprehension challenges. The club has said what this is for and linked it to keeping ST prices flat.

 

[aslan]

you're obviously having some comprehension challenges. The club has said what this is for and linked it to keeping ST prices flat.

The club have said its for "tackle away fans in home areas" when it does not do this at all.
You changed your mind and said its actually for keeping STs flat, but despite getting funny about me proving my claims you cannot do the same.
No comprehension issues on my side?

 

[Banana]

The club have said its for "tackle away fans in home areas" when it does not do this at all.
You changed your mind and said its actually for keeping STs flat, but despite getting funny about me proving my claims you cannot do the same.
No comprehension issues on my side?

As you said, it doesn't say that.

 

[Raise The Roof]

The club have said its for "tackle away fans in home areas" when it does not do this at all.
You changed your mind and said its actually for keeping STs flat, but despite getting funny about me proving my claims you cannot do the same.
No comprehension issues on my side?

Aslan, I wish you would understand that there are bigger issues at stake here. The club has very low capacity. It is not possible to increase that capacity, except at huge cost and risk and MB seems to have stated that it will not happen. So only way to be fair to the 18,000 future supporters that have bought Memberships is to “sweat the asset” of using the existing seats better. There have been historically 1,000 seats per game unused. Yet only 2,000-2,500 of those 18,000 have been able to buy Matchday tickets. So either the club reduce their complimentary tickets (which they maintain are needed for commercial partners and players) or us old supporters need to 0lay fair with the new supporters. I would argue that listing your ticket on the exchange is no great hardship, especially once you have done it for the first time.

Let’s start to think and worry about the fans of the future. Where are they to come from? The 18,000 are the start of those. Let’s help them get to as many games as possible.

 

[aslan]

Aslan, I wish you would understand that there are bigger issues at stake here. The club has very low capacity. It is not possible to increase that capacity, except at huge cost and risk and MB seems to have stated that it will not happen. So only way to be fair to the 18,000 future supporters that have bought Memberships is to “sweat the asset” of using the existing seats better. There have been historically 1,000 seats per game unused. Yet only 2,000-2,500 of those 18,000 have been able to buy Matchday tickets. So either the club reduce their complimentary tickets (which they maintain are needed for commercial partners and players) or us old supporters need to 0lay fair with the new supporters. I would argue that listing your ticket on the exchange is no great hardship, especially once you have done it for the first time.

Let’s start to think and worry about the fans of the future. Where are they to come from? The 18,000 are the start of those. Let’s help them get to as many games as possible.

My son is one of those "fans of the future" (who would have to pay £40 for a seat on the exchange ? so not sure this is aimed at them) and also been pretty vocal about how we can improve to help those. I have no issue with using the exchange nor ensuring my seat is filled.

 

[badgerbee]

Everyone got a "Yellow Card Status" email??

"Thank you for your support this season. As you will be aware, Brentford FC rolled out its new ‘every seat counts’ policy which applies to season ticket and premium seat holders. The policy has been introduced to reduce the number of empty seats at the Gtech Community Stadium and give more Bees fans the chance to attend home matches.
We have been pleased with the rollout of this new policy so far.
Thanks to your support we have decreased the number of empty seats by around 500 per match. So, more Bees fans are able to come along than ever.
Over 4,600 new Bees members have been able to buy tickets for Premier League games and almost £250,000 has been given back to season ticket holders through sales on the ticket exchange so far this season.
While there are still some empty seats left to fill, we wanted to thank you for helping make this new policy a success and making sure every seat counts at the Gtech

Richard | Fan Number: XXXXX ​

 

[Walshie]

Yep, passive aggressive. I never asked to be reminded of my yellow card status.

 

[Banana]

Yep, passive aggressive. I never asked to be reminded of my yellow card status.

Especially in such an expensively crafted email

 

[New Roader]

Possibly a silly question but where does it list the number of yellow cards? I should have zero?

 

[Poolieboydave]

I’ve just had a weird email from the club flagging the current yellow card status, but no where on the email does it say how many cards I’ve had (it SHOULD be zero).

have others had the same email??

 

[badgerbee]

Possibly a silly question but where does it list the number of yellow cards? I should have zero?

See the bit I added to my post just now.
I'm assuming that means I'm in the clear.....currently....

 

[Banana]

I’ve just had a weird email from the club flagging the current yellow card status, but no where on the email does it say how many cards I’ve had (it SHOULD be zero).

have others had the same email??

Yes, and plenty of confusion going around. It's actually in the panel at the very bottom. But if you don't have a yellow card then you have NO IDEA what it means

 

[kevbees]

I’ve just had a weird email from the club flagging the current yellow card status, but no where on the email does it say how many cards I’ve had (it SHOULD be zero).

have others had the same email??

Just had same - boxes with 1,2,3,4. - none marked but should be a 0 box for me as well

 

[Banana]

Just had same - boxes with 1,2,3,4. - none marked but should be a 0 box for me as well

This is what it looks like if you have had a card

 

[Poolieboydave]

This is what it looks like if you have had a card

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Thanks, what a bloody stupid email to send as for those with no yellow cards it’s totally not clear. Given the shambles with the turnstiles it’s entirely possible I had one, but your photo helps hugely.

why do they need to make life so hard? Just say “no yellow cards”….

 

[Banana]

Thanks, what a bloody stupid email to send as for those with no yellow cards it’s totally not clear. Given the shambles with the turnstiles it’s entirely possible I had one, but your photo helps hugely.

why do they need to make life so hard? Just say “no yellow cards”….

Got to create some work for people I guess. It's just stupid to not put it in the text for a start, and there's no reminder of the game by which you need to stay under 4 cards.

 

[daddybee]

Thanks, what a bloody stupid email to send as for those with no yellow cards it’s totally not clear. Given the shambles with the turnstiles it’s entirely possible I had one, but your photo helps hugely.

why do they need to make life so hard? Just say “no yellow cards”….

Agreed.
Absolute bollox

 

[hobbsy]

View: https://twitter.com/BrentfordBIAS/status/1758499425553355231?s=19

 

[AB]

The club have ST records going back some time so it shouldn't be difficult to separate them from those who purchased from 2021 onwards and not send out yellow card threats. How many first time ST holders from 2021 onwards are there? These are the people who should be scrutinised not the likes of Larry.I expect to see several strangers around me on Saturday, usually recording on their phones, and this is in WS. I think the yellow card is to maximise profit from seats and catching touts is not the primary aim. I have a senior ST so, if I put it on the exchange, the club will trouser the difference from my reduced rate and the single ticket maximum. Should be my choice though and, so far, I have missed only three games at the Gtech but have given my ST to trusted supporters who can't get to every game.

This assumes that it is predominantly 2021-onwards STs who leave their seats unused or sell them on indiscriminately or carelessly to away fans and tourists. Maybe they are. Possibly the ones who bought speculatively for the first time in 2020 are the worst culprits and filled with touts. The guys from 22 onwards had to go to a lot of recent games and have a lot of TAPs to get first time STs so maybe they are less likely to be wasting them or selling them to dastardly aways after having had to work hard to get them.

Or, given how some more long standing fans express the view that as they’ve paid and have done for years it’s no business of the club’s or anyone else’s whether they turn up or sell to whoever they see fit.

 

[Untouchable]

View: https://twitter.com/BrentfordBIAS/status/1758499425553355231?s=19

It’s good of BIAS to offer the clarification but utterly pathetic that’s its been even necessary.

 

[alikat]

I'm assuming that means I'm in the clear.....currently....

Just a shame that the email is not very clear, though.

 

[Gazza Bee]

Yep sounds like everyone will get one regardless of how many yellows (or not) - all my group have received this email. I knew I had one anyway for Wolves so thanks for reminding me BFC..

 

[ChrisSmith1992]

Amateur hour once again ?

 

[W5BeesFan]

Stupid email and so.unclear to those with no yellows. If heaven forbid we are ever returned to the Championship, this policy will disappear without trace and we'll be receiving sycophantic emails begging us and our kids to attend. I love everything about Brentford but this does wind me up.

 

[Infatuated Bees Alter Ego]

The subject line on the email is not pertaining to the message therein.
Confusing and poor.
Had to read it 3 times to check if I was missing something

'Your yellow card status'.

 

[Vid]

The above email also has a link to this....
If you have been offered tickets or have any information in relation to ticket being offered outside of the stadium, please report it to the nearest steward, use the form below to report this or email [email protected]. All information is treated in the strictest confidence and is never disclosed to third parties.
and this...

https://www.premierleague.com/legal/unauthorised-ticket-websites

 

[SC]

I've no problem with the club making a profit from selling my seat but why not include how much the club has profitted from exchange seats sold as well as how much they've paid out to ST holders

 

[bee good]

This is what it looks like if you have had a card

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Ive had a yellow card but pretty sure my ticket has been used or on exchange evey game. Not had any contact about it asfaik. Must have botched it some time.

Not that important though it does bring back memories of getting detention at primary school. A real feelgood moment??

 

[Poolieboydave]

View: https://twitter.com/BrentfordBIAS/status/1758499425553355231?s=19

Thanks, it shouldn’t be up to BIAS to sort this out given how obvious it is!!

 

[AB]

I've no problem with the club making a profit from selling my seat but why not include how much the club has profitted from exchange seats sold as well as how much they've paid out to ST holders

The club will have profited by about the same amount given the likely average difference between ST and member tickets per game. Maybe a bit more if concessionary STs get sold at a much higher rate than ordinary STs maybe a bit less if not.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

They really don't get that if you set out one Saturday to get to a game and your car breaks down or you get stuck on the motorway behind a herd of broken BMWs, the last thing you want after your day is ruined is to get a "yellow card". The David Coote approach to customer engagement.

 

[bee good]

To me its a bit david brent good news / bad news speech. Good news is we're making even more money ... bad news is you've got to worry about something you never needed to previously.

 

[Banana]

The club will have profited by about the same amount given the likely average difference between ST and member tickets per game. Maybe a bit more if concessionary STs get sold at a much higher rate than ordinary STs maybe a bit less if not.

Then spent a fair penny paying for someone to create an email that is of little to no value to anyone. They are telling me something that I already know.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Then spent a fair penny paying for someone to create an email that is of little to no value to anyone. They are telling me something that I already know.

The structure of the mail cast some doubt on something I thought I knew.