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Yoane Wissa

Gazza Bee said:
Erm we paid £18m for the pair so still a large profit in that scenario - in an ideal world we sell Toney now for £40m+ and Wissa next year for £30m+. Football is very unpredictable and we could end up getting nothing so it is about risk and reward and why PG is paid wayyyy more than me.
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We dont live in an ideal world though.
At the moment Wissa is touted by WWFC,but would they be able to afford 250k a week for Ivan ?
Probably not so they are not going to bid for him are they ?
Not even 10 mill.
 

Yoane Wissa

Do think Wissa offers a lot, they say he's the best finisher at the club! I 25 to 30 million would be great BUT I'm slightly uncomfortable at the club being Wolves, as I think they will be around us in terms of league position (Hopefully not of course) and so wouldn't want to strengthen them and weaken us, unless of course we could replace fairly quickly 9Wouldn't be easy at all)
 

Yoane Wissa

horshambees said:
We dont live in an ideal world though.
At the moment Wissa is touted by WWFC,but would they be able to afford 250k a week for Ivan ?
Probably not so they are not going to bid for him are they ?
Not even 10 mill.
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I didn't say anywhere that Wolves would bid for Toney - my point being that if nobody comes in for him we lose him for nothing next summer and if Wissa gets injured or has a bad season nobody is offering £30m next summer either. If we are left in a situation where we have no bids for Toney that meet near our valuation maybe we accept £30m (unconfirmed) from Wolves for Wissa now whilst his stock is high and keep Toney for this season.
 

Yoane Wissa

£25 million is certainly a fair offer for Wissa, but this isn't just about the fee, it's also about the timing, and that is pretty awful. With Thiago injured for a long period, the uncertainty hanging over Ivan, and only a couple of weeks of the transfer window left, I'd say it would be a high-risk strategy to sell. I hope he stays, at least until January.
 

Yoane Wissa

jlove said:
IF this has truth in it, I’d guess the Club would agree (assuming Wissa is happy with what he’s offered) if a decent fee in on the table. He's a good player but he’s never really fitted to our formation and, if Thomas is moving to add a 4-2-3-1 formation to our options, that doesn’t improve the situation. I’d assume Yoane knows this.

I’d also assume that Lee Dykes has a decent short-list of attackers to meet Thomas’ requirements. Maybe the Cabral rumours from Portugal came from an inquiry. It’s all complicated by the Thiago situation, that we fans know about, and Toney's situation, that we don’t.
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As you have pointed out Wissa does not fit into our formation easily, but I see that as a strength. He gives us something different, he is an option. We don't want to be predictable to the point where our formation is easy to work out, or straightforward. We have to try and retain an element of surprise, that is what Wissa gives us, and fairly successfully too.
 

Yoane Wissa

Kingston Bee said:
As you have pointed out Wissa does not fit into our formation easily, but I see that as a strength. He gives us something different, he is an option. We don't want to be predictable to the point where our formation is easy to work out, or straightforward. We have to try and retain an element of surprise, that is what Wissa gives us, and fairly successfully too.
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Yes… but does it fit with Wissa’s ambitions for playing minutes? If Yoane likes a deal offered by Wolves (or anyone else), BFC would have great difficulty keeping him.
 

Yoane Wissa

jlove said:
Yes… but does it fit with Wissa’s ambitions for playing minutes? If Yoane likes a deal offered by Wolves (or anyone else), BFC would have great difficulty keeping him.
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Yeah, this is the thing, if:
- Wissa wants to go for more playing time (or the promise of it at least)
- He gets offered a good pay rise above what we're paying or would offer
- We get offered £25/30m or more
- We've got targets lined up who are younger (as Wissa is 28 in a couple of weeks) who we think could be close to his level but have a higher ceiling in the future

It might not be the worst idea in the world to take the money, get on the blower to those targets, for this window, or any future one.

Of course this is if Toney isn't leaving because that really would leave us in a pickle.
 

Yoane Wissa

LongLostBee said:
Of course this is if Toney isn't leaving because that really would leave us in a pickle.
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I wouldn’t put money on Toney being with us in September! Having two centre forward options wouldn’t be a bad thing, either. We’re playing with the big boys now.
 

Yoane Wissa

jlove said:
I wouldn’t put money on Toney being with us in September! Having two centre forward options wouldn’t be a bad thing, either. We’re playing with the big boys now.
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Definitely. Just thinking of the long term and no guarantee of getting another sizeable offer between now and his deal running out in a couple of years.
So very contingent on replacement options, that we'd likely already have a black book of, and the Toney situation.
 

Yoane Wissa

Even if we were to keep Toney (v.unlikely imo), I'd still be amazed if we sold Wissa without having a replacement striker lined up instead. All the more so since Bryan is v.likely to go in another season or two.

And when I say "replacement", ideally it would be an upgrade, expensive though that would prove.
 

Yoane Wissa

LongLostBee said:
Yeah, this is the thing, if:
- Wissa wants to go for more playing time (or the promise of it at least)
- He gets offered a good pay rise above what we're paying or would offer
- We get offered £25/30m or more
- We've got targets lined up who are younger (as Wissa is 28 in a couple of weeks) who we think could be close to his level but have a higher ceiling in the future

It might not be the worst idea in the world to take the money, get on the blower to those targets, for this window, or any future one.

Of course this is if Toney isn't leaving because that really would leave us in a pickle.
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Agree but, it is also about timing especially if Toney leaves in the next couple of weeks and Thiago is out for several months. If we have someone in mind who we could get over the line in the next couple weeks fine, but if not it's not so attractive to BFC imo.
 

Yoane Wissa

jlove said:
Yes… but does it fit with Wissa’s ambitions for playing minutes? If Yoane likes a deal offered by Wolves (or anyone else), BFC would have great difficulty keeping him.
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Good point, but it's also about timing for us especially if Toney leaves, and I think Toney is the priority to move on. Not so attractive to BFC imo.
 

Yoane Wissa

Sorry but if Wolves meet our valuation he should go. We are a trading club and then funds gained will be reinvested in players to develop. We will not for the foreseeable future be in a position to keep players that can get massive salary increases and who cannot get enough time on the pitch. We have a great back room team planning for this sort of occurrence and I think they have performed excellently in the past.
So if he is off so be it . Our development continues.
 

Yoane Wissa

Correct me if I'm wrong but thought Neto was bought by Chelsea to play in wide positions i.e. where Wissa woudl rather not play so how is he a replacement for Neto and (other than money) why move for more of the same?
 

Yoane Wissa

jlove said:
He's a good player but he’s never really fitted to our formation and, if Thomas is moving to add a 4-2-3-1 formation to our options, that doesn’t improve the situation.
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Wissa has often been played wide in a 433, which I agree doesn't suit his skill set. When we have gone 532 the default two have been Toney and Mbeumo. However early last season, with Toney banned and before Mbeumo got injured, when played central in a 433 and again at Luton away I thought he was very good.
If we move to 4231 we would not be looking to play high balls to an isolated big forward but play possession based football through the lines. Wissa as centre forward playing on the shoulder of the last defender getting on the end of threaded through balls would be excellent.
Also I was impressed last season when he on occasion dropped deeper into a 10 type position to receive the ball, turned and either ran at defenders or threaded a a pass through to another forward. I understand he has played as a 10 in France. So in a 4231 I can see him as either a 9 or a 10.
I hope we do not sell Wissa since I feel we shall see the best of him this season if we go 4231.
 

Yoane Wissa

Historically we have always sold players at their peak value and part of our signing philosophy is agreeing not to stand in the players way when they want to move on.

I would suggest Wissa is at peak value now and if Wolves offer north of £30m then we will accept and use the money wisely in finding a replacement

Ultimately we are a business and need to maximise all our assets to remain successful and to stay clear of any penalties due to financial pressures although currently we are well ahead of the curve
 

Yoane Wissa

I'm surprised more than one person is convinced Wissa is certainly at "peak value" now.
He signed a new contract just over a year ago and has three years to run including the club option.

12 goals last season isn't a bad haul but...He probably didn't make the most of Toney's ban to get lots of goals due to the state the rest of the team was in...no fullbacks to start attacks, Schade and Mbeumo out for spells to provide service, plus multiple midfield absences.

Nothing's certain but...
Play him up front whilst Thiago is out as the main forward in a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1, 10 goals by Christmas, maybe more after that. Then he's at peak value.
 

Yoane Wissa

jlove said:
Yes… but does it fit with Wissa’s ambitions for playing minutes? If Yoane likes a deal offered by Wolves (or anyone else), BFC would have great difficulty keeping him.
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This is the point many keep missing. We know we're guaranteed goals from him over the season, especially if he's down the middle. And we also know those goals are costly to replace.

But he won't be a happy bunny to continue to be on the subs bench or played on the left. As I said a few days ago, Yoane is probably the least happy person should Ivan stay at the club. He's in his peak years and if someone offers him a better deal and he feels he'll get more CF action, he's going to be tempted at the very least. I don't want him to go, but...... IF that is the case, then we have to seek to get maximum ££££s. He won't we worth as much in 12 months' time, especially if he gets fewer opportunities at CF.
 

Yoane Wissa

Realistically if Wolves pay what we think he is worth then he's off. Just how Brentford work, and it has done us alright for 10+ years.
 

Yoane Wissa

The Pipe said:
Historically we have always sold players at their peak value and part of our signing philosophy is agreeing not to stand in the players way when they want to move on.

I would suggest Wissa is at peak value now and if Wolves offer north of £30m then we will accept and use the money wisely in finding a replacement

Ultimately we are a business and need to maximise all our assets to remain successful and to stay clear of any penalties due to financial pressures although currently we are well ahead of the curve
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Agree but that is a big if
 

Yoane Wissa

The Pipe said:
I would suggest Wissa is at peak value now and if Wolves offer north of £30m then we will accept and use the money wisely in finding a replacement
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But the season starts on Sunday.
 

Yoane Wissa

I've been thinking about this since the original tweet but didn't want to do a kneejerk post.The facts as i see them are that if Toney stays and If Igor was fit.Wissa would be third choice down the middle.With Toney staying and Igor injured he is second choice and with Toney going he is only guaranteed to be the first choice for 6 months.

He is only good down the middle and isn't happy playing on the left anyway,you can see it when he's on the pitch in that position so he isn't versatle which we want from our attacking players.

Some won't agree but imo he was average before AFCON when no one was pushing him for his spot and when he came back Maupay was doing well and he had to fight to get his spot back,it seemed to motivate him.

I like him but that's just being sentimental and we know the club have several options scouted in every position when a transfer window rolls around and negotiations go on with out us knowing.The Carvalho signing was out of the blue and done in a few days.

For the right money i think we'd give it serious thought and would trust the club have contingencies in place.
 
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