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Got to be at least £40 million clear after whatever percentage would we have to give Leyton Orient.
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Yoane Wissa
Just been into Southampton
Met, Mathew B, all by chance in a boat yard.
Asked him what he was doing, he said upgrading his boat, wow I said. He said to me with 30 mill Raya, 60 Toney and now 30 for Wissa, what else was he going to do with the money ?
Guess there will be no more incomings
Met, Mathew B, all by chance in a boat yard.
Asked him what he was doing, he said upgrading his boat, wow I said. He said to me with 30 mill Raya, 60 Toney and now 30 for Wissa, what else was he going to do with the money ?
Guess there will be no more incomings
BURFORD BEE
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Yoane Wissa
Can’t argue with that except for he bit about using the money wisely in finding a replacement. The experiences of this window and the previous two is that getting a deal for the player over the line more often than not proves a tad difficult.
Whatever our business model is I’d be surprised if it included putting our PL status at risk. It’s all fine until a couple of injuries to key players shows the lack of strength in depth of our squad.
Jay Bee
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Indeed. there were at least 5 men's players at the kit photoshoot, surely you'd conveniently use the ones not involving Wissa if he was now likely to be leaving.
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If you only send 5 players to the kit launch you'd probably send ones you think are staying put.
Also unlike Toney he's on the back of the West Stand
View: https://x.com/bfcgpg/status/1821561728318001489
....Though I imagine stranger things have happened.
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It's hard to argue with 'ultimately we are a business' . But my local social club is a business, it sells cheap beer, has a marginal profit meat raffle and doesn't prostitute the aesthetic or the members with the cliche 'ultimately we are a business' . When I look at the retail side of Brentford fc, I can see the mindless application of the cliche. But when we got Neal and Samman back last year and our no dickhead policy, there was a glimmer of hope that we are a club. I hope Wissa stays, he brings joy to the team.
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I don't think you get VC Mazz and his 'sense of humour'.Methinks you have just been victim of predictive text and/or AI
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Yoane Wissa
I sympathise with the sentiments, but you do not accept the cost of your preferred approach. It would keep us in the lower reaches of the pyramid, scraping around for players who shared those sentiments.
Most of my time supporting the Bees fits into that scenario. I still saw players I could wholeheartedly support and a team I could be proud of; but I do not want to go back there.
Please forgive the clumsy analogy; but it is like a transition to a colour TV or a quality Hi Fi. Prior to then, you were not bothered; but once you made the change, you sure as hell did not want to go back.
What is applied is no cliche, it is an acceptance of what are the foundations for a quest for excellence.
I so agree with your last sentence: I really do not want to see Wissa leave us. But the previous waffle partly explains why I will be relieved to see that our recruitment in the prem can also generate profit and an opportunity to reinvest, or cover reinvestment.
vcmazz
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Yoane Wissa
It's almost like the FA Cup when we sign anyone. We froth at the mouth and expect Champions League footy secured by Christmas. And yet in 52 years I think we've only ever signed two players I'd ever heard of. Stan Bowles and Mickey Droy. Oh and Steve Perryman and Ron Harris. So that's four. But I'd certainly never heard of Yoane Wissa and neither had anybody else. That's why I trust Thiago will be good when they screw his leg back on.
vcmazz
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Doesn't he just? Wissa is in the top five of my all time favourite Bees.
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sonofabee
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I had as he was the victim of that acid attach so he was quite famous by the time we signed. I can’t believe you only knew 4 players in all the time you’ve followed Bees.
I realise I’m a sad statto when I have heard of a large percentage but I watch a lot of of football and read about it
vcmazz
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Oh God I don't. If it ain't Brentford it ain't football as far as I'm concerned. The idea of watching something like Liverpool V Manchester United would bore me to death. I'd find a Conference game more interesting. In reality I'm sure it's more than four but I'm struggling to think of any. OK Paddy Roche. So that's five.
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Not having a go mate, I’m a sad football fanatic who watches park soccer, kids football, non league football, EFL, EPL, ECL and if bored any other European football.Oh God I don't. If it ain't Brentford it ain't football as far as I'm concerned. The idea of watching something like Liverpool V Manchester United would bore me to death. I'd find a Conference game more interesting. In reality I'm sure it's more than four but I'm struggling to think of any. OK Paddy Roche. So that's five.
I wish I didn’t sometimes!
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He was woeful that game at Griffin Park and clear he didn’t want to be there.
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Yoane Wissa
I don't want to know how you know that Paul Davis was worse than you at 69... :shudder:
Anyway...
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Yoane Wissa
Also, a non-league club’s marginal profit meat raffle is a PL club’s selling a player who is only first choice in the absence of a star for a middling profit.
If Thiago were fit we’d not be saying Yoane was nailed on as first choice starter all season even having already accepted Ivan was not to be planned for as our lead striker all season. In the short term, due to Igor’s injury, it looks like Yoane’s spot. But we aren’t as a club looking short term. If Igor were fit we’d all be looking at how long it would take for him to go from sub appearances to acclimatise to pushing Yoane onto the bench. And as much as Yoane gives us joy and we’d cheer him on to score in the interim, it would be in the interim. The longer it went on, other than with him scoring hatfuls, the more disappointed in Igor we’d become for him not winning the spot.
That’s why it’s not some loss of soul to consider taking c£20m profit on selling Yoane now. Our plans do not involve making him a £50m player next summer. They rely on him continuing to be a great alternate while Igor replaces Ivan. And if we might not lose Ivan just yet, Yoane is and will know how far down he is.
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I've heard they want to pay around 25-30 for him. I think that's exactly what we need to improve the squad. He turns 28 next month and I doubt he will have as good of a season as he had after he competed at afcon earlier this year. It's now or never if we want that kind of money for him. My only concern is that if our injury crisis gets as serious as it did last season we'd struggle. But we have Bryan who can play as a striker while Thiago is out. We also have Schade and possibly Toney. I want us to be able to afford a good defender, maybe VDB and that is not going to happen without some kind of money coming in
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Yoane Wissa
It may have already been said, but your concern (mine to) could be covered by a good loan at a cost of £2/3 million.That paid we would still be in profit. There may be such a striker at Benfica!
Yoane Wissa
personal opinion, can't see Wissa going now. We are just starting to see him at his best. Contract length means we can hold on for at least another season and see his value increase. Given the uncertainty with Igor's injury it does not make sense to sell him just now. Teams will still be banging the door down in a years time. He is good and bids should be expected, whilst we are a selling club, we don't need to sell if we don't need to. We are not some league one club that needs to sell to stay afloat.
vcmazz
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Stuart was about a year before my time. I'd never heard of Herman until he rocked up at GP.
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Yes, whenever he was the one who got taken off, I got the distinct impression from his body language that he didn’t agree!
Yoane Wissa
You make it sound like Wissa is on his last legs but in fact he's just coming into his prime for us. Selling him to Wolves would just mean we're helping a direct rival likely to be around lower mid-table this season. Never understand the enthusiasm of some of our fanbase for selling proven talent on the fantasy of being able to pick up something better elsewhere. Grass is always greener syndrome. In my opinion there couldn't be a worse time to sell Wissa, with Thiago out for months and Toney likely to be sold by January at the latest. No team is stupid enough to sell its best finisher unless it absolutely has to.
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Erm, we still need to balance the books. In an ideal world I’d love to keep Wissa given what happened last season with our injury pile up but if his sale is the difference between us bringing an extra face or two then I’m all for it. Especially as he may only play a bit part role this season if Toney stays and Thiago returns as planned. Need to think about Wissa’s interests too, especially if he can earn more money for his family elsewhere…
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Yoane Wissa
If we stop becoming that club, who lets people go for a big payday for a good fee to us, then we lose a bit of our appeal to future players too.
If we can get good money, for someone who ultimately isn't our first choice, whether that's Toney now or Thiago later, it then funds Wissa 2.0, maybe with some change.
If we stop taking the paydays at peak value then we regress from our model of buy, improve, sell at max value, buy higher potential, improve, etc
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Yoane Wissa
Exactly, we’re an incubator of talent, bringing players to the best league in the world, showcasing them and helping them become the best they can be.
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Yoane Wissa
Really don't want YW to go due to the reasons already quoted regarding the uncertainty around our forward line, the fact that as I, and many others have stated, he's the best finisher at the club, and also because he's just coming into his prime for us.
I'd also argue that he's been our most successful signing since we got promoted to the PL. (And that includes Eriksen).
I'd also argue that he's been our most successful signing since we got promoted to the PL. (And that includes Eriksen).
Guildford Bee
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Agree with all of the above.
However, since the summer/autumn that we sold Watkins and Benrahma (I think) our only player sale of note is David Raya.
I think much will depend on what the situation is with Toney come the end of the window. If he’s staying I think, sadly, Wissa will go. We’re still a club that needs to sell players.
Jay Bee
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Yoane Wissa
We don't need to sell players to meet PSR or to make a profit. People in football will tell you we are probably in PSR trouble because other clubs are, but they have no idea. We made profits in 21/22 and 22/23 despite the lack of big money sales. Since then we've booked the Raya sale. PL TV money pays all the wages and any transfer losses with money left over. Of course that might still not be enough for the business plan.
We are a selling club in terms of recruiting ambitious players and giving them the next opportunity, because we don't compete with even the majority of PL clubs on wages. And Cliff even said after the £30m profit, this is still the strategy.
So there are reasons why we sell.
I don't think this is a need to sell situation. We'd be strengthening a rival and weakening our forward line two weeks or less before the deadline, at a time of uncertainty in the forward line, for money that I believe we don't "need" right now. We can sit in an echo chamber waiting for some actual news and talk ourselves into reasons why this needs to happen, but I don't think it's true.
TadB
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Agree in total with your post, however, Yoane Wissa himself after experiencing leading the line for much of last season may not wish to return to the left wing or even to the bench. This dilemma will only be solved if Toney reduces his pay demands, and facilitates his transfer out of the club.
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For purely footballing reasons I cant imagine that Yoane would see Wolves as a more attractive proposition than the Bees. However, from a financial perspective he would probably earn much more money. A difficult one for Brentford, but if the price is right I could see this happening.
Yoane Wissa
There's an optimum time to sell any player. It was last summer for Raya and this summer for Toney. It's not the right time to sell Mbuemo or Wissa, unless we fancy risking our PL future on the long-shot bet that we can buy someone better.
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I get where you are coming from but given MB & PG history it wouldn't make it a long shot bet.
More likely a good value bet with big upside
Yoane Wissa
Nor me as he owed me sponsorship money which I never did get.....was about to say typical Scotsman...but that's not allowed..!!
Yoane Wissa
Tbh I'd say Wissa is the only player we've signed since we reached the PL who is now worth considerably more than we paid for him. I think the jury is out on the rest in terms of whether we could turn a profit. So I think suggestions of a Midas touch on transfers is wide of the mark. Nearly all of our astute transfer business was done in the Championship (Henry, Pinnock, Janelt, Norgaard, Jensen, JDS, Toney, Mbuemo).
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Yoane Wissa
You aren't wrong, but I would point out that essentially all of the players signed have lost massive stretches of time due to injury. Ajer, Damsgaard, Hickey, Schade, Konak, Yarmoliuk, KLP, and now already Thiago. Hoping for a lot of good things out of a lot of those players this season as I think next summer will necessarily be a busy, busy window.
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Do you really believe that the best, optimum, time to sell a top player is when the selling club is up against the deadline. Knowing that beyond that line the player will begin to run down his contract. You may not like it but the best time to sell Wissa is now, although in his case as we have an option next summer will be OK.
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Just for those who can't read the top of the screen, this thread is for speculation about the possible transfer of Yoane Wissa and nothing else.
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