Staying at Current Club Yoane Wissa

Status
Not open for further replies.

Yoane Wissa

An alternative way of thinking about whether we might consider selling a player with a couple of years left on their contract is to ask would we now want to offer them a new long deal.

Would we want to add a couple of years to Yoane’s contract now or next summer? I don’t think so. So beyond the immediate, his future is probably not with us. Selling next summer may be better but there may be fewer takers for him at 29 at what he might go for now. That’s not great for his career or us financially. Is his playing impact for this season enough to counter that in making him more appealing and us more successful? That’s the decision for the club to take in the round.
 

Yoane Wissa

Yoane Wissa

TadB said:
Do you really believe that the best, optimum, time to sell a top player is when the selling club is up against the deadline. Knowing that beyond that line the player will begin to run down his contract. You may not like it but the best time to sell Wissa is now, although in his case as we have an option next summer will be OK.
Click to expand...
You seem to be doing a bizarre bit of backtracking in your last sentence. Wissa is nowhere near the end of his contract, which ends in 2026 with one-year club option, so effectively three years. No pressure at all to consider selling for 18 months.
 

Yoane Wissa

cliffbee said:
You seem to be doing a bizarre bit of backtracking in your last sentence. Wissa is nowhere near the end of his contract, which ends in 2026 with one-year club option, so effectively three years. No pressure at all to consider selling for 18 months.
Click to expand...

No back tracking, you were writing about Toney, Bryan, and Raya. Toney and Raya were made available for sale at the very worst possible time. You were advocating that we should do the same for BM and YW.
 

Yoane Wissa

If Yoane is included in tomorrow's starting line up/squad, I hope that his mind is focused and has not been 'turned' by all the transfer speculation throuhot the last few days.
COYB's.
 

Yoane Wissa

Oldboy TW8 0AW said:
If Yoane is included in tomorrow's starting line up/squad, I hope that his mind is focused and has not been 'turned' by all the transfer speculation throuhot the last few days.
COYB's.
Click to expand...
It would be like a Monty Python sketch, Toney, Wissa, Guehi, Andersen all in centre circle talking about impending transfers and vast wage increases whilst the game goes on around them ?.
 

Yoane Wissa

TadB said:
No back tracking, you were writing about Toney, Bryan, and Raya. Toney and Raya were made available for sale at the very worst possible time. You were advocating that we should do the same for BM and YW.
Click to expand...
You finished your post by saying it's fine to sell Wissa next summer after first saying we should sell now. That's backtracking. You completely ignored my point that Wissa is effectively under contract for 3 more years.
There's no point giving players long contracts if you're effectively saying they are all available for transfer halfway through their contracted time.
 

Yoane Wissa

cliffbee said:
You finished your post by saying it's fine to sell Wissa next summer after first saying we should sell now. That's backtracking. You completely ignored my point that Wissa is effectively under contract for 3 more years.
There's no point giving players long contracts if you're effectively saying they are all available for transfer halfway through their contracted time.
Click to expand...

You appear to be deliberately avoiding the prime issue of my point which was challenging your statement that Raya and now Toney were being transferred at the most appropriate time. If it is accepted that we are a selling club then we will make a player available for transfer when he is at peak value, and when he has at least two years left on his contract, or as in the case of Wissa there is a club option.
I have made my point very clearly and will not post again on this issue.
 

Yoane Wissa

TadB said:
You appear to be deliberately avoiding the prime issue of my point which was challenging your statement that Raya and now Toney were being transferred at the most appropriate time. If it is accepted that we are a selling club then we will make a player available for transfer when he is at peak value, and when he has at least two years left on his contract, or as in the case of Wissa there is a club option.
I have made my point very clearly and will not post again on this issue.
Click to expand...
Yes I wouldn't post again if I were you. Presumably you think we may as well sell Bryan now as well while he's at peak value? Great idea. We can sit back and count our tens of millions while planning a trip to Loftus Road.
 

Yoane Wissa

cliffbee said:
Yes I wouldn't post again if I were you. Presumably you think we may as well sell Bryan now as well while he's at peak value? Great idea. We can sit back and count our tens of millions while planning a trip to Loftus Road.
Click to expand...
Thing is mate, we/most of us believe in the system.
Do you think if a team came along in January and offered 50/60 million or more for Bryan the club wouldn't sell him?
It is what we as a club do and put trust in those like PG and LD to replace with as good or better.
 

Yoane Wissa

Lush55 said:
Thing is mate, we/most of us believe in the system.
Do you think if a team came along in January and offered 50/60 million or more for Bryan the club wouldn't sell him?
It is what we as a club do and put trust in those like PG and LD to replace with as good or better.
Click to expand...
Bryan and Ethans absences were pivotal in our loss making run last season. Until then we were a good fist of all our injuries.
 

Yoane Wissa

Raise The Roof said:
Bryan and Ethans absences were pivotal in our loss making run last season. Until then we were a good fist of all our injuries.
Click to expand...
I agree with you, but my point being is that the club WILL sell at the right price and they WILL replace with as good or better.
I would guess that in a couple of years our team will look totally different, with the players that got us promoted gone onto new pastures.
 

Yoane Wissa

Lush55 said:
Thing is mate, we/most of us believe in the system.
Do you think if a team came along in January and offered 50/60 million or more for Bryan the club wouldn't sell him?
It is what we as a club do and put trust in those like PG and LD to replace with as good or better.
Click to expand...
It's not just about maximising fees, as the financial losses of relegation would dwarf any of the fees being mentioned. And, no, I don't believe the club would accept losing Wissa, Mbuemo and Toney in one year, whatever the offers.
 

Yoane Wissa

Lush55 said:
Thing is mate, we/most of us believe in the system.
Do you think if a team came along in January and offered 50/60 million or more for Bryan the club wouldn't sell him?
It is what we as a club do and put trust in those like PG and LD to replace with as good or better.
Click to expand...
I don't 'believe in the system' . I reckon belief is a poor substitute for thought. I hope the admin don't sell the players that I like.
 

Yoane Wissa

cliffbee said:
It's not just about maximising fees, as the financial losses of relegation would dwarf any of the fees being mentioned. And, no, I don't believe the club would accept losing Wissa, Mbuemo and Toney in one year, whatever the offers.
Click to expand...
Never say never, as we don't know who, what or when we might bring in replacements. For all anyone knows there could be three new signings lined up to do exactly what you think could never happen, personally I hope we start and finish the season with a settled side as any chopping and changing will be disruptive to a hopeful top six finish?
 

Yoane Wissa

Lush55 said:
I agree with you, but my point being is that the club WILL sell at the right price and they WILL replace with as good or better.
I would guess that in a couple of years our team will look totally different, with the players that got us promoted gone onto new pastures.
Click to expand...
Yes- the biggest surprise for me is how many of the promotion team are still here and still first choice starters. That’s great as a vindication of the quality of recruitment and the work of TF and those players to develop into consistent and established PL players. But we can’t and shouldn’t fetishise them so that we resist moving them on over time now. The club really has earned our trust that these decisions are made with sustainability and ambition both at the top of mind. At no point in this adventure has anyone in the football department aimed merely to avoid relegation as the rationale for any significant decision. I don’t think it is in their mindsets.

So if we sell anyone or decide to hang on to anyone it simply will never be about sacrificing our place in the PL to make money or giving up a profit to stay up. Of course we as fans either have the years of service to remember “Brentford innit?” or if newer, to feel more entitlement to push on as that’s all we’ve ever seen and that turns a lot of us into worryworts. This is a good place to vent that politely. But I hope that underneath that most of us can just trust that the club is run by people who are thinking about our medium term best interests on the pitch and are almost certainly much more ambitious that we are in where they think they can take us. Even our most rose tinteds would be overjoyed by a Carabao win or qualifying for the Conference League. MB believes we can one day win the PL.
 

Yoane Wissa

Lush55 said:
I agree with you, but my point being is that the club WILL sell at the right price and they WILL replace with as good or better.
I would guess that in a couple of years our team will look totally different, with the players that got us promoted gone onto new pastures.
Click to expand...
The higher up the pyramid we are, the harder it is to replace with “as good or better”.

don’t disagree with you about few of the promotion squad being around in a couple of years - just done a quick review of the first team squad and am amazed to find that no fewer than 9 of them are starting their 5th season (or more) with the club!
 

Yoane Wissa

westendbee said:
The higher up the pyramid we are, the harder it is to replace with “as good or better”.

don’t disagree with you about few of the promotion squad being around in a couple of years - just done a quick review of the first team squad and am amazed to find that no fewer than 9 of them are starting their 5th season (or more) with the club!
Click to expand...
Even when those players are very good and not past their peak or even possible to replace with immediate upgrades it may still be time for some to move on. It’s part of why Leicester went down despite having a squad that ought never to have been near relegation. We’re not at that point but if most of those 9 are still here and regular starters in a couple of years may risk that.
 

Yoane Wissa

Yoane Wissa

Leave Brentford and within a minute or so you’re going over the Thames, past Kew Green and Gardens and then within ten mins or so and you’re in Richmond Park. Drive through that, wave to the deer, maybe have a nice picnic and then turn right and you’re on the riverside at Kingston for lunch.

Leave Molyneux and within a minute or so you’re going past garages and derelict industrial parks before reaching Tipton.

That is it.

Get a f***ing grip Yoanne!!!
 

Yoane Wissa

Gazza Bee said:
Carvalho is not a striker..he plays in the 10 behind or right side of a 3
Click to expand...
When he was at Fulham he played on the left wing, and many of his games at Liverpool were on the left wing. He may prefer the number 10 spot, but for my part I am waiting with interest to see what position he will play for Brentford. Thomas Frank will know but I will have to find out.
 

Yoane Wissa

The last few hours have proved what a dumb idea selling Wissa is. Toney's only priority now is ker-ching so let's get him out the door ASAP for the best fee and trust Mbuemo and Wissa to get the goals to keep us mid-table at Christmas. They're more than good enough. Neither of them need to be sold, or should be sold, until next summer at the earliest.
 

Yoane Wissa

cliffbee said:
The last few hours have proved what a dumb idea selling Wissa is. Toney's only priority now is ker-ching so let's get him out the door ASAP for the best fee and trust Mbuemo and Wissa to get the goals to keep us mid-table at Christmas. They're more than good enough. Neither of them need to be sold, or should be sold, until next summer at the earliest.
Click to expand...
Fully agree, especially if all the speculation around Toney is correct.
 
181 More Posts...
Status
Not open for further replies.

Share this page

Back
Top Bottom