Adam Johnson

Adam Johnson

Should let play one more game for Sunderland and see what happens !
 

Adam Johnson

Gee Bee said:
No doubt he will be out in a couple of years and be offered a job in the flourishing India or Chinese leagues that are paying big sums to players, doubt they will be bothered about his chequered past. Meanwhile the victim remains just that a victim, to somebody who has not even offered much if any remorse to her only to his own actions whilst in court.
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If is let out early he will almost certainly end up like Ched Evans, on licence for the balance of his sentence. One of the conditions of Evans licence is that he does not leave the country.


PS I see that Evans case is back in the courts soon as "new evidence" has come to light
 

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kaebess said:
I am really pleased that this has been so high profile makes it harder for people to forget.

Graham Rix I think he only got 12 months, was probably out in 6. People can't forget what these people have done in the past.

I just find it all disgusting.
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Rix didn't know his victim's age. So Johnson should get longer.
 

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kevalutonbee said:
If is let out early he will almost certainly end up like Ched Evans, on licence for the balance of his sentence. One of the conditions of Evans licence is that he does not leave the country.


PS I see that Evans case is back in the courts soon as "new evidence" has come to light
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If the new evidence is what I think it is (it would be wrong to speculate) Evans has a big chance of having his conviction quashed. But even then, removing rape from the equation, his behaviour on the night in question was sh*tty.
 

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opinions5u said:
If the new evidence is what I think it is (it would be wrong to speculate) Evans has a big chance of having his conviction quashed. But even then, removing rape from the equation, his behaviour on the night in question was sh*tty.
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:imwith:

Take the rape out of it and he is still a cheating scumbag with the morals of a sewer rat yet not only does his g/f stand by him daddy finances all of this
 

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The Joker said:
Think there's a difference between an act she was alleged to have committed and an act he was found to have committed. Without trivialising it, perhaps it was about who was in the driving seat (no pun intended).
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that plus the other charge was more serious and unproveable - her word against his, basically. it may well have happened, in which case he's an utter ****, but it can't be proved to have happened :sad: (plus the "naivety" of her saying that he was completely shaven might well indicate that this is an embellishment in her story - did you hear that Steven Fletcher was due to be a witness for the defence but backed out due to, well, Johnson being a ****)

the charge he was found guilty of was fairly "beyond reasonable doubt" - his story was that all the flirting and messages led this far and then, right at the crucial moment, he took a deep breath and said "actually, this is a bit OTT". pretty unlikely. and even if it did happen like that, he frankly deserves it for being such an idiot to have put himself in that situation.

i find the story fairly stunning so i shared it with a couple of people, both of which (a Czech and a Swede) shrugged and said "oh is it 16 in England? it's lower in our countries" - but the point is he's bloody 28 and shouldn't be taking advantage, which they both said "ah yeah, fair enough then" to...
 

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Mr Tree said:
did you hear that Steven Fletcher was due to be a witness for the defence but backed out due to, well, Johnson being a ****
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I hadn't heard that. Looks like Fletcher backed out all the way to Southern France...
 

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The Joker said:
Think there's a difference between an act she was alleged to have committed and an act he was found to have committed. Without trivialising it, perhaps it was about who was in the driving seat (no pun intended).
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As I understood it, an under-age person can't legally be the perpetrator - a judge got into serious trouble last year when he suggested that an under-age girl was leading an older male on.
 

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opinions5u said:
If the new evidence is what I think it is (it would be wrong to speculate) Evans has a big chance of having his conviction quashed. But even then, removing rape from the equation, his behaviour on the night in question was sh*tty.
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That's true but if his conviction ends up being quashed I would have a great deal of sympathy for Evans seeing as his career has been ruined.

Johnson just kept saying he's been silly....obviously didn't really grasp the charges
 

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PLE said:
Looking between 4 and 10 years.
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...........................I thought he liked them a little bit older than that?..............................


.........................seriously, is this a symptom of the north/south divide, whereby thick northern PL footballer thinks he is above the law, and thick northern 15 year old girl likes to look older in the hope of snaring a thick northern PL footballer, because there is no other future for her?............................
 

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WisBee said:
...........................I thought he liked them a little bit older than that?..............................


.........................seriously, is this a symptom of the north/south divide, whereby thick northern PL footballer thinks he is above the law, and thick northern 15 year old girl likes to look older in the hope of snaring a thick northern PL footballer, because there is no other future for her?............................
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Not sure about that, a 15 year old is a 15 year old, still a child..the responsibility is with the adult, in this case one who manipulated and took advantage of her
 

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essexbees said:
Not sure about that, a 15 year old is a 15 year old, still a child..the responsibility is with the adult, in this case one who manipulated and took advantage of her
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...........................yes, in the eyes of the law, a 15 year old is still a child - however (and not defending the indefensible), some girls under the age of sexual consent look, dress and sound/talk a lot older than their years - jail bait it used to be called - and for them, snaring a PL footballer is a career move.........................
 

Adam Johnson

WisBee said:
...........................yes, in the eyes of the law, a 15 year old is still a child - however (and not defending the indefensible), some girls under the age of sexual consent look, dress and sound/talk a lot older than their years - jail bait it used to be called - and for them, snaring a PL footballer is a career move.........................
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Your previous post was sh*t, that one's even worse.
 

Adam Johnson

WisBee said:
...........................yes, in the eyes of the law, a 15 year old is still a child - however (and not defending the indefensible), some girls under the age of sexual consent look, dress and sound/talk a lot older than their years - jail bait it used to be called - and for them, snaring a PL footballer is a career move.........................
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And in the context of knowing she was 15 and still dabbling?
 

Adam Johnson

WisBee said:
...........................yes, in the eyes of the law, a 15 year old is still a child - however (and not defending the indefensible), some girls under the age of sexual consent look, dress and sound/talk a lot older than their years - jail bait it used to be called - and for them, snaring a PL footballer is a career move.........................
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It's similar to the stories we hear with school pupils and the teacher, 15/16 year old girl who is desperate to be a / believes she is a woman and has a crush on the teacher, we all know she is a child but the teacher chooses to exploit this..the responsibility is with the adult teacher
 

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Adam Johnson

WisBee said:
........................and you didn't even 'like' either of them...............................
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Not sure how someone who made her age clear from the start of their interactions and was simply excited to meet a player from the club she supported as I imagine many kids would be was "trying to look older".
 

Adam Johnson

W_L said:
Not sure how someone who made her age clear from the start of their interactions and was simply excited to meet a player from the club she supported as I imagine many kids would be was "trying to look older".
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.......................it was a generalisation - the clue was in the "some girls........................."comment, but you didn't bother to read that bit did you?............................
 

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WisBee said:
.......................it was a generalisation - the clue was in the "some girls........................."comment, but you didn't bother to read that bit did you?............................
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The "clue" is in the context of the thread title and your initial post.
 

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W_L said:
The "clue" is in the context of the thread title and your initial post.
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..........................if you really believe that, then have a go at all the others that have posted about Ched Evans on this thread...........................your first post was sh*t, this one is just constipation...........................
 

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WisBee said:
..........................if you really believe that, then have a go at all the others that have posted about Ched Evans on this thread...........................your first post was sh*t, this one is just constipation...........................
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Take it easy folks, it's a forum it's OK to disagree
 

Adam Johnson

WisBee said:
...........................I thought he liked them a little bit older than that?..............................


.........................seriously, is this a symptom of the north/south divide, whereby thick northern PL footballer thinks he is above the law, and thick northern 15 year old girl likes to look older in the hope of snaring a thick northern PL footballer, because there is no other future for her?............................
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That's not remotely witty or funny
 

Adam Johnson

WisBee said:
.........................I refer you to post 75 on this thread.........................HTH
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I'm using mobile so no numbers but can't be arsed. As a father of two daughters I found it un amusing and not going to change my mind.
 

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sonofabee said:
I'm using mobile so no numbers but can't be arsed. As a father of two daughters I found it un amusing and not going to change my mind.
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..................................just so as we know what we are talking about here, I am also the father of two daughters...........................I'm not asking you to change your mind, this is an open forum, where we all share opinions - mine are different to yours'; yours' are different to mine, is all..............................
 

Adam Johnson

Not trying to defend him but just a perspective. The legal age of criminal responsibility it 10 years old i.e knowing right from wrong and i think 15 year old girls know more than some people make out, that said johnson clearly acknowledged it was wrong in his head and continued to pursue it and is the responsible adult and clearly knew that his status as a footballer would play into his hands and thought he was above the law and above morals.
 

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nick logan said:
Yep the not guilty he got was because it wasn't 12-0 , the judge said it had to be
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I believe that to be incorrect and that it was 12-0 for Not Guilty. The jury returned a unanimous verdict for the Not Guilty verdict and then the judge said he would accept a 11-1 or 10-2 and the jury returned with a 10-2

If it was "lower than 10-2" (either way) then the jury would by hung and the judge could order a re-trial (if he/she thought it to be a useful exercise)
 

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WisBee said:
..................................just so as we know what we are talking about here, I am also the father of two daughters...........................I'm not asking you to change your mind, this is an open forum, where we all share opinions - mine are different to yours' is all..............................
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What's the problem, I shared my opinion as well and I wasn't rude ?
 

Adam Johnson

WisBee said:
...........................yes, in the eyes of the law, a 15 year old is still a child - however (and not defending the indefensible), some girls under the age of sexual consent look, dress and sound/talk a lot older than their years - jail bait it used to be called - and for them, snaring a PL footballer is a career move.........................
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She was in her school uniform at one of their meet ups.
 

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I think Wisbe you are perhaps struggling to defend the indefensible here

I was not impressed with your " generalisation" regarding 15 year old girls as in this particular context, this being the Johnson thread, the girl has had her life ripped apart by a predator significantly older and who was perfectly aware that he was dealing with a " minor" FFS he even looked up the age of consent and still went ahead

In this particular instance I personally feel it is out of order to tarnish the young ladies image by including her in your " generality"

The man is the lowest of the low and I hope that the rest of his life is ruined by what he has done, however I have a horrible feeling that it will be the young ladies life that gets ruined and accusations, like your suggestion, will continue putting forward the idea she asked for it
 

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The Pipe said:
I think Wisbe you are perhaps struggling to defend the indefensible here

I was not impressed with your " generalisation" regarding 15 year old girls as in this particular context, this being the Johnson thread, the girl has had her life ripped apart by a predator significantly older and who was perfectly aware that he was dealing with a " minor" FFS he even looked up the age of consent and still went ahead

In this particular instance I personally feel it is out of order to tarnish the young ladies image by including her in your " generality"

The man is the lowest of the low and I hope that the rest of his life is ruined by what he has done, however I have a horrible feeling that it will be the young ladies life that gets ruined and accusations, like your suggestion, will continue putting forward the idea she asked for it
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...........................Funny/strange you should have that as your first line - have a read of my post 65 on this thread, tell me again the bit that is in brackets...................................
 

Adam Johnson

WisBee said:
...........................yes, in the eyes of the law, a 15 year old is still a child - however (and not defending the indefensible), some girls under the age of sexual consent look, dress and sound/talk a lot older than their years - jail bait it used to be called - and for them, snaring a PL footballer is a career move.........................
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I wouldn't disagree with that. I would imagine that's theres plenty of older women (18+) prowling clubs looking for a celeb/footy player to get their claws into.

Some footy players are probably easier due to their dodgy moral compasses.
 

Adam Johnson

While yes there are some girls who look older, and try and make things happen for their own purposes, he was the one who was chasing her, and encouraging her to do sex acts and 'more than a kiss'. The forward nature here was him rather than her. He even asked for naked Snapchats so it wasn't the other way around.

I have no idea how old she looked, it's possible she looked and acted 19. But he still pressed on knowing she was just over 15. Her main involvement was idolising a celebrity and getting led by him as a result. 15 year olds may themselves feel adult, but mentality wise often aren't and this case demonstrates why the legal age is what it is.
 

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I met a pretty young girl in a pub in Kingston a few years ago, one of the first things she asked was how old I was (29 at the time) she said 'oh I'm only 19 is that ok with you' the night went on we had a few drinks, we both went home. Over the next couple of months we went to the cinema, out for meals etc until one day I got a text from her saying 'I can't do this anymore' when I asked her why or what the problem was she said she'd been lying to me and was in fact 15. So was she a child? Such a contentious issue and massive grey area, IMO there should be a distinction between a child and a young person which the law should reflect. I don't think you can compare Adam johnsons actions to those of Ian Watkins the Lost Prophets lead singer for example.
 

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beeherenow said:
I met a pretty young girl in a pub in Kingston a few years ago, one of the first things she asked was how old I was (29 at the time) she said 'oh I'm only 19 is that ok with you' the night went on we had a few drinks, we both went home. Over the next couple of months we went to the cinema, out for meals etc until one day I got a text from her saying 'I can't do this anymore' when I asked her why or what the problem was she said she'd been lying to me and was in fact 15. So was she a child? Such a contentious issue and massive grey area, IMO there should be a distinction between a child and a young person which the law should reflect. I don't think you can compare Adam johnsons actions to those of Ian Watkins the Lost Prophets lead singer for example.
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Brave of you to admit to that and its true there are 15 year olds who look and act older but there is a distinction its called the age of consent . Those of us with 15-16 year old daughters will know how much older some of them or their friends look but he has no defence because regardless if she looks older he knew her age and carried on.

No one is comparing him to that ****ing animal Watkins
 
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beeherenow said:
I met a pretty young girl in a pub in Kingston a few years ago, one of the first things she asked was how old I was (29 at the time) she said 'oh I'm only 19 is that ok with you' the night went on we had a few drinks, we both went home. Over the next couple of months we went to the cinema, out for meals etc until one day I got a text from her saying 'I can't do this anymore' when I asked her why or what the problem was she said she'd been lying to me and was in fact 15. So was she a child? Such a contentious issue and massive grey area, IMO there should be a distinction between a child and a young person which the law should reflect. I don't think you can compare Adam johnsons actions to those of Ian Watkins the Lost Prophets lead singer for example.
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The length of sentence will distinguish.

The key with Johnson is that he clearly knew the girl's age and carried on regardless.
 

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opinions5u said:
The length of sentence will distinguish.

The key with Johnson is that he clearly knew the girl's age and carried on regardless.
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Completely agree, he knew he was wrong but continued, just think branding him a paedo (yesterday's Sun) is confusing a complex issue
 

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beeherenow said:
Completely agree, he knew he was wrong but continued, just think branding him a paedo (yesterday's Sun) is confusing a complex issue
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He is though in the eyes of the law
 

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beeherenow said:
Completely agree, he knew he was wrong but continued, just think branding him a paedo (yesterday's Sun) is confusing a complex issue
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He knew her age, even met her whilst in her school uniform and admitted in court he got aroused by her. These are traits of a paedophile, he will go on the sex offender register and be labelled as a paedo by the state. Why should the Sun not also? Paedophiles are those that lust after children, not just very young children.
 

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beeherenow said:
In the eyes of the law yes. If a man sleeps with a girl 15 years and 364 days old he's a paedo but the next day it's perfectly ok.
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Not if hes 28 imo
 

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beeherenow said:
Completely agree, he knew he was wrong but continued, just think branding him a paedo (yesterday's Sun) is confusing a complex issue
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Totally agree with that - I believe the term is Ephebophilia and I agree that labelling him as a paedo devalues it's use for those sick buggers that act on an attraction to younger children - and even that is not a true definition. As many on here have said - I think the damning fact is that he knew her age and still continued.

It is interesting to compare this case to the one of Jeremy Forrest - the teacher who ran away to France with his 15 year old student/'girl' friend back in 2012. There are considerable differences - not least the fact that he was in a position of authority, the girl was (for want of a better word) consensual, and the relationship was of a more intimate nature. I am not sure how the cases compare legally - I think he was charged with kidnapping in addition to the obvious - but the girl herself was not pushing the case herself. He received around 5 years and was released last summer.

Gee Bee said:
Paedophiles are those that lust after children, not just very young children.
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That may be a legal definition but it is not an accurate medical definition and it's legal use in many ways confuses the general understanding of the condition.
 
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