Andy Scott

[Bigbee]

Is he doing this on the side ?

He should concentrate on footie Anyway bluddy expensive ,you can get a bike in Halfords for £100


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[south coast bees]

Oh hell! At this stage of the season we are looking for Andy Scott's head! The comment the Sheffield Wednesday Manager made last week wasn't a false compliment when he stated we are in a "false position" before they played us. We have had some bad results in the league, but with such a difference in players in the close season, we are not going to perform as well as a squad that had been together for much of last season. AS has one of the strongest squads for years now, especially re goalscorers.Don't lets start getting stupid like Southampton with their impatience.I reckon that by mid October our position in the league will have altered dramatically - for the better. Give AS a chance for goodness sake.

Very well said, AS is the man for BFC

 

[detours]

Exactly, look what is happening at southampton... all the fans think they have wasted another season

 

[blunstone]

agree 100%.

 

[stoney04]

i think he has done a great job but he reminds me of what i didnt like about martin allen and thats his lack in being able to change a game around or being willing to change the game plan when things are going wrong or not completley right. also on saturday when the pool were putting us under pressure or mistakes were made there was no instructions or constructive critisim being given out, he just stood in that crappy dugout area looking confused!

 

[The Pipe]

Its a difficult job being a football Manager as, having regularly read match reports etc on here we would all have very different teams playing week in and week out, and playing different systems. As manager its his call, (although I dont agree with him!!) and ultimatley he will either be succesful or be sacked dependant upon how the results go for him.

I do however beleive that, particularly for teams in the lower leagues, there is a balancing act between pragmatism and grinding out boring results and playing attractive football which will possibly increase the attendance on match days and that perhaps is an area that Andy needs to be reminded of.

The other aspect that perhaps needs consideration is the relationship between club and supporter. OK we were spoiled under MA however during his reign I always felt that I was part of the club, now it seems that I pay my money and thats it my opinions for what they are worth mean nothing. AS has gained rightly or wrongly an arrogant tag which is great when succesful however when things are not going well it is not ideal.

As a supporter I would love to have more comment from Scott, or someone on his behalf so that the supporters feel included in the club and are not just seen as a means to an end.

 

[alexcavell]

Its a difficult job being a football Manager as, having regularly read match reports etc on here we would all have very different teams playing week in and week out, and playing different systems. As manager its his call, (although I dont agree with him!!) and ultimatley he will either be succesful or be sacked dependant upon how the results go for him.

I do however beleive that, particularly for teams in the lower leagues, there is a balancing act between pragmatism and grinding out boring results and playing attractive football which will possibly increase the attendance on match days and that perhaps is an area that Andy needs to be reminded of.

The other aspect that perhaps needs consideration is the relationship between club and supporter. OK we were spoiled under MA however during his reign I always felt that I was part of the club, now it seems that I pay my money and thats it my opinions for what they are worth mean nothing. AS has gained rightly or wrongly an arrogant tag which is great when succesful however when things are not going well it is not ideal.

As a supporter I would love to have more comment from Scott, or someone on his behalf so that the supporters feel included in the club and are not just seen as a means to an end.

I agree. I thought Martin's "updates" were really good: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=e...a=X&ei=BE6XTMKIMpSj4QaqkrGsBA&ved=0CAIQqAQwAw

Regarding the football we play, I don't care whether we play like Blackburn or Barcelona as long as we are successful. At the moment, though, it's not working and we need to make some tactical changes.

 

[wayfarer172]

Wouldn't MA just love the budget AS has been given?

 

[stoney04]

Its a difficult job being a football Manager as, having regularly read match reports etc on here we would all have very different teams playing week in and week out, and playing different systems. As manager its his call, (although I dont agree with him!!) and ultimatley he will either be succesful or be sacked dependant upon how the results go for him.

I do however beleive that, particularly for teams in the lower leagues, there is a balancing act between pragmatism and grinding out boring results and playing attractive football which will possibly increase the attendance on match days and that perhaps is an area that Andy needs to be reminded of.

The other aspect that perhaps needs consideration is the relationship between club and supporter. OK we were spoiled under MA however during his reign I always felt that I was part of the club, now it seems that I pay my money and thats it my opinions for what they are worth mean nothing. AS has gained rightly or wrongly an arrogant tag which is great when succesful however when things are not going well it is not ideal.

As a supporter I would love to have more comment from Scott, or someone on his behalf so that the supporters feel included in the club and are not just seen as a means to an end.

agree mate Allen was defintley a clubs man and made alot more effort with the fans and got involved in anything he could. suprising scott is not like this as an ex bees player to, but then i dont think he was to popular as player was he... i remember a mate of mine walking out of the ground as he was so fed up with him! lol

ie i reckon if allen wanted to change the dug outs he would have got opions on it as its structure to our ground being changed, when scott goes what if we get a manager that has been to GP before as a manager preffered them in breamer?

 

[condorman]

dont kid yourself about martin allen, he pretty well did as martin allen wanted

his communication was, admittedly, of a very high standard

 

[shouldbee]

Martin Allen developed a great rapport with the fans and seemed to have great respect for his team.
Some of his critics say he took us as far as he could, well nothing's changed then ??

In all the time I've supported the club the MA days were the absolute best. The likes of Burton, Sodje, Turner and Campbell were all exciting players to watch......O, and just in case somebody wants to remind us all that he didn't get us promoted, save your ink

 

[Les Beeavinu]

In all the time I've supported the club the MA days were the absolute best. The likes of Burton, Sodje, Turner and Campbell were all exciting players to watch......O, and just in case somebody wants to remind us all that he didn't get us promoted, save your ink

The football was, generally, average at best and sh*t at worst though.

 

[shouldbee]

The football was, generally, average at best and sh*t at worst though.

Nothing's changed then ?

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Nothing's changed then ?

No. Do we want Martin Allen back because he wrote crazy things in the website then? It can't be for the football.

 

[shouldbee]

Not saying I want him back, but the whole place was far more positive. 4700 says what people think about the football being served up at the moment.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Not saying I want him back, but the whole place was far more positive. 4700 says what people think about the football being served up at the moment.

Stop being negative then.

 

[Low End Bee]

I'm hoping he's addressing the dire and turgid performances. Much too early to get the pitchforks and flaming torches out yet.
I should think he's having a steep learning curve on man management now we've got a squad with depth.
I hope he'll come good even if it takes time.
This doesn't make individual matches less horrible to watch though.

 

[Brentford_till_die]

Its a difficult job being a football Manager as, having regularly read match reports etc on here we would all have very different teams playing week in and week out, and playing different systems. As manager its his call, (although I dont agree with him!!) and ultimatley he will either be succesful or be sacked dependant upon how the results go for him.

I do however beleive that, particularly for teams in the lower leagues, there is a balancing act between pragmatism and grinding out boring results and playing attractive football which will possibly increase the attendance on match days and that perhaps is an area that Andy needs to be reminded of.

The other aspect that perhaps needs consideration is the relationship between club and supporter. OK we were spoiled under MA however during his reign I always felt that I was part of the club, now it seems that I pay my money and thats it my opinions for what they are worth mean nothing. AS has gained rightly or wrongly an arrogant tag which is great when succesful however when things are not going well it is not ideal.

As a supporter I would love to have more comment from Scott, or someone on his behalf so that the supporters feel included in the club and are not just seen as a means to an end.

I agree. I thought Martin's "updates" were really good: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=e...a=X&ei=BE6XTMKIMpSj4QaqkrGsBA&ved=0CAIQqAQwAw

Regarding the football we play, I don't care whether we play like Blackburn or Barcelona as long as we are successful. At the moment, though, it's not working and we need to make some tactical changes.

Wouldn't MA just love the budget AS has been given?

Agreed. I loved feeling apart of the club, it was a special moment being a Bees fan under MA.

Love the updates, something we never get from AS apart from his weekly interview with Westside Radio.

MA left due to the budget not being increased and we had some quality players under his spell, wonder what sort of players he could attract now?

 

[malvernbee]

Much too early to get the pitchforks and flaming torches out yet.

May I ask when this would change. Do folks out there have a general rule of thumb when to press the panic button - Is it say 20 points from the first 15 games or before that.

 

[condorman]

MA left due to the budget not being increased and we had some quality players under his spell, wonder what sort of players he could attract now?

Yes. We couldnt afford to increase the budget

Some of the players he left here when he departed were awful. As was most of the second half of his last season in a league which was begging for a team to go out and win it.

Charismatic ? Yes
Brilliant fun at times ? Yes (and is that lacking now - yes although tomorrow might change that.....)
Football Genius ? No

And I don't think his reputation since leaving us would help him attract big name players.

 

[Low End Bee]

May I ask when this would change. Do folks out there have a general rule of thumb when to press the panic button - Is it say 20 points from the first 15 games or before that.

If we're still abject at the end of November generally.

 

[sonofabee]

Martin Allen developed a great rapport with the fans and seemed to have great respect for his team.
Some of his critics say he took us as far as he could, well nothing's changed then ??

In all the time I've supported the club the MA days were the absolute best. The likes of Burton, Sodje, Turner and Campbell were all exciting players to watch......O, and just in case somebody wants to remind us all that he didn't get us promoted, save your ink

It's weird as I enjoyed the MA era and PR very positive about his style and our football during his tenure.

I loved the individuals, Deon, Sam, Salako, DJ, however the football we played was destructive, we were hard to beat but clubs hated us like they do Boothroyds teams. We rarely played sparkling football and when we went 1-0 up up home, we shut up shot and defended, even at home and that was when we were top of the league.

I think this team will thrash someone when we click, there's more ability in this side, need some stronger individuals IMHO to become leaders but not sure if that suits AS.

Can anyone apart from Claire throw any light on why AS is apparently arrogant and dismissive of fans, I'm not doubting just interested.

 

[Kingston Bee]

It's weird as I enjoyed the MA era and PR very positive about his style and our football during his tenure.

I loved the individuals, Deon, Sam, Salako, DJ, however the football we played was destructive, we were hard to beat but clubs hated us like they do Boothroyds teams. We rarely played sparkling football and when we went 1-0 up up home, we shut up shot and defended, even at home and that was when we were top of the league.

I think this team will thrash someone when we click, there's more ability in this side, need some stronger individuals IMHO to become leaders but not sure if that suits AS.

Can anyone apart from Claire throw any light on why AS is apparently arrogant and dismissive of fans, I'm not doubting just interested.

Agree with most you say but your memory is playing tricks. Do you not remember going 1-0 up against Hartlepool and Blackpool near the end of the season only to end up conceding in the last 5 minutes in both games, thus ending up in the play-offs rather than achieving direct promotion. Not saying Scott doing brilliantly at the moment but there tends to be an increase in posts about the greener grass on the other side, and previous managers who would somehow appear to be the answer to all our problems (but who had plenty of their own at the time), when we are not doing well. We need to look forward not back.

 

[sonofabee]

Agree with most you say but your memory is playing tricks. Do you not remember going 1-0 up against Hartlepool and Blackpool near the end of the season only to end up conceding in the last 5 minutes in both games, thus ending up in the play-offs rather than achieving direct promotion. Not saying Scott doing brilliantly at the moment but there tends to be an increase in posts about the greener grass on the other side, and previous managers who would somehow appear to be the answer to all our problems (but who had plenty of their own at the time), when we are not doing well. We need to look forward not back.

Read my post, I'm saying it wasn't as good as others suggest under MA.

 

[blunstone]

yep - ma was called one dimensional too.

 

[nick logan]

If we're still abject at the end of November generally.

We are not abject though. Only Rochdale has come close to abject

 

[Low End Bee]

We are not abject though. Only Rochdale has come close to abject

True. Wrong choice of word. Uninspiring would be better.

 

[Sweepy]

Can anyone apart from Claire throw any light on why AS is apparently arrogant and dismissive of fans, I'm not doubting just interested.

I can't help you with this one, but I have seen many posts that has been questioning AS in terms of his personality, man management, supposed arrogance etc. So Claire has not been alone in hinting at this.

Questions about AS on a personal level are also not just in light of recent results, but has been recurring since before the start of the season. Obviously one win in seven is not going to silence this sort of talk. Maybe someone will be able to throw some light on it because I am as in the dark as you.

 

[sonofabee]

We are not abject though. Only Rochdale has come close to abject

I've seen hugely frustrating this season not abject. That for me would apply to Wycombe away last season maybe and any one of the last half a dozen games when Wally was in charge. (I know he had no budget and players were worse just saying that home defeat to Stockport the level of our football wasn't even conference)

 

[burnhambee]

I met Andy very breifly on the day we collected the league 2 trophy. He was rushed off his feet before the game , he ran past me , but then still turned around and came back to shake my hand . Didn't he also share a few beers in the Griffin after Darlington ?

 

[blunstone]

he is a top bloke, lives bfc, and has done really well for us. and will continue to do so.

alas he doesn't like to use a creative central midfielder and the football we play reflects this. it is something we all know and must accept.

one trick pony? maybe. but most managers are.

leroy tried to play football on the deck and we didn't do very well under him. and ma had his own system too. most do!

 

[jlove]

Can anyone ... throw any light on why AS is apparently arrogant and dismissive of fans, I'm not doubting just interested.

AFAIK, it is only one individual that perpetuates this but it's been repeated so often it must be a true fact by now. At the moment, I'm guessing he's as frustrated as the rest of us and doesn't appreciate some of the "advice" he's getting from the usually sleepy folk in the Bill Axbey. Win a couple of games and he'll be a hero for another week or two.

Personally, I'd prefer a manager who focuses on breaking down defences and getting results than one whose self-publicising inanities become the centre of attention.

 

[West Wilts Bee]

he is a top bloke, lives bfc, and has done really well for us. and will continue to do so.

alas he doesn't like to use a creative central midfielder and the football we play reflects this. it is something we all know and must accept.

one trick pony? maybe. but most managers are.

leroy tried to play football on the deck and we didn't do very well under him. and ma had his own system too. most do!

I really could not care less if he is a top bloke or not. He will never be any good till he gets a creative central midfielder. You cannot play at home with a central pair that we have. what I don't like is when you say anything against the bloke that others dont like, you get all this bollox that he took us up and we finished ninth last season. Blah blah blah. That is history, and this is now. I sit in the new rd and here him instructing the players. Some of it is pretty unbelievable and clueless./ I'm on record in saying that I want him to do well and I hope he does I am sincere about that. The one thing I do like about him , as when things aint working he changes it. AS loves to play the flanks nothing wrong with that, but when the wingers can't even cross the ball, and we have no target man as such I think you need more variety.
But he knows more than me so lets hope he can turn it around.

 

[shouldbee]

I really could not care less if he is a top bloke or not. He will never be any good till he gets a creative central midfielder. You cannot play at home with a central pair that we have. what I don't like is when you say anything against the bloke that others dont like, you get all this bollox that he took us up and we finished ninth last season. Blah blah blah. That is history, and this is now. I sit in the new rd and here him instructing the players. Some of it is pretty unbelievable and clueless./ I'm on record in saying that I want him to do well and I hope he does I am sincere about that. The one thing I do like about him , as when things aint working he changes it. AS loves to play the flanks nothing wrong with that, but when the wingers can't even cross the ball, and we have no target man as such I think you need more variety.
But he knows more than me so lets hope he can turn it around.

Good post WW
I think all the yelling at the players is counter productive, they have ALL week to get things organised so why does he neet to rant, rave and swear at HIS players practically for the whole of the game ?

I couldn't give a flying f**** if he's top bloke or not, with the resources he's been given, not just this season we should be doing better than we are now.

 

[hypa123]

Andy Scott is an intelligent young manager who has a bright future ahead of him. He chooses not to do touchy-feely the way Martin Allen did and that is entirely his right. Fans need to decide whether they want an effective football manager or an agony aunt. Scott has shown that he is an effective football manager. As happens to all managers, there are times when his team doesn't fire on all cylinders (remember the early Ferguson?). But he has shown in his three years with the club that he can learn and adapt, and the indications are that he will continue to do so. Posters who criticise him for shouting at the players during a game should bear in mind the flak he would get if he didn't shout at them. Armchair mangers resentful that Scott doesn't pay enough heed to their opinions should on the contrary be thankful. The last thing I'd want is for Scott to base his policy decisions on my opinion of what needs to be done.

 

[Roy_loak]

Andy Scott is an intelligent young manager who has a bright future ahead of him. He chooses not to do touchy-feely the way Martin Allen did and that is entirely his right. Fans need to decide whether they want an effective football manager or an agony aunt. Scott has shown that he is an effective football manager. As happens to all managers, there are times when his team doesn't fire on all cylinders (remember the early Ferguson?). But he has shown in his three years with the club that he can learn and adapt, and the indications are that he will continue to do so. Posters who criticise him for shouting at the players during a game should bear in mind the flak he would get if he didn't shout at them. Armchair mangers resentful that Scott doesn't pay enough heed to their opinions should on the contrary be thankful. The last thing I'd want is for Scott to base his policy decisions on my opinion of what needs to be done.

i hope to god that he doesn't waste his precious time reading a fans message board! andy scott if you're reading this DO SOME WORK!

 

[Brentford_till_die]

I dont question AS for having a go at his players but the way he does it. If i was a player i would be very cautious not to slip up . . . similar to England squad in South Africa, we have the capable players but look like they are playing with a bit of fear in case they mess up, but with us mess up and normally your loose your place, more so in defence. .

 

[Brentford_till_die]

sometimes if its not working you need a pat on the shoulder, not someone whos giving you an evil look and having a how he goes about things. Havent seen an away manager get on like that to their players but the away team has mostly come away with what they came for. Even Hull, Wednesday didnt see Pearson or Irvine doing it! But as i said maybe im getting to into it!
However each manager has their own style, management, tactics and personality.
Each time ive met Scott he seems genuine nice bloke! Who has always had the time for a handshake and bit of chitchat.
But it is a result business so time will tell. Too early to call for his head, i really hope it works out. Times were great under Allen but last year I thought there was a new good buzz about the club, with a great young manager to be there through it all. I still see this happening.
Im sure theres no one out there who is not actually wanting Scott to fail, well I hope there aint.

 

[ChinaBee]

I met Andy very breifly on the day we collected the league 2 trophy. He was rushed off his feet before the game , he ran past me , but then still turned around and came back to shake my hand . Didn't he also share a few beers in the Griffin after Darlington ?

We met AS at the hotel before the Bradford game a few years ago and he spent a lot of time talking to us, have met him a few times at reserves matches etc and has always given time to talk. During matches he gets involved and obviously shouldn't say some of the things he has reported to have said to supporters.....

Glad he thinks he needs to change things

 

[sonofabee]

You make it sound like he's a bully, lots of Managers at all levels scream and swear at their players, it's perfectly normal, most players want a boss that is the boss and who they look up to and respect. From feedback on the training ground this is a happy squad and if we're struggling during a home game against teams we would expect to beat I totally understand why there are raised voices and negative body language, I certainly wouldn't want to see smiley faces!!!!

 

[abee]

Each time ive met Scott he seems genuine nice bloke! Who has always had the time for a handshake and bit of chitchat.

The next time you see him can you ask if he'll give me a bell. I dunno if it's me but from Braemar Road it almost seems that one of the dugouts is smaller than the other. Probably it is just me 'cos nobody else has picked up on it but I'd like to chat just the same and furthermore...........

 

[sonofabee]

The next time you see him can you ask if he'll give me a bell. I dunno if it's me but from Braemar Road it almost seems that one of the dugouts is smaller than the other. Probably it is just me 'cos nobody else has picked up on it but I'd like to chat just the same and furthermore...........

Dunno if that's a good idea, apparently that's what started all the rumours, someone shouting from behind the dug outs. "Andy, abee says to call him as he's concerned the dug outs are useless as the players have got their back to the experts in the New Road and they never even turn round for a chat despite being politely asked!"

 

[RitchBee]

I'm hoping he's addressing the dire and turgid performances. Much too early to get the pitchforks and flaming torches out yet.
I should think he's having a steep learning curve on man management now we've got a squad with depth.
I hope he'll come good even if it takes time.
This doesn't make individual matches less horrible to watch though.

Agreed.......but he must learn to adapt his tactics a bit more often and using the people sitting on the bench. If it doesn't come off or work so be it but at least he'd show he tried to do something different.

 

[IslandBee]

what I don't like is when you say anything against the bloke that others dont like, you get all this bollox that he took us up and we finished ninth last season. Blah blah blah. That is history, and this is now. I sit in the new rd and here him instructing the players.

Yes, but this 'history' should give us all good reason to believe that he knows how to turn things round. It is also why he should be given the time to try. I've sat through dross and I know it's not fun, although I have to say I have always regarded it as one of the hazards of being a Brentford fan, but turning on the manager everytime it happens (not saying *you* do this WWB) still doesn't strike me as very sensible

 

[West Wilts Bee]

Yes, but this 'history' should give us all good reason to believe that he knows how to turn things round. It is also why he should be given the time to try. I've sat through dross and I know it's not fun, although I have to say I have always regarded it as one of the hazards of being a Brentford fan, but turning on the manager everytime it happens (not saying *you* do this WWB) still doesn't strike me as very sensible

I agree with you, and I know what you mean it comes with being a bees fan. and we don't have to come and watch it. By all means play to a system, but let the players express themselfs on the pitch. Everyone seems to agree this is the best squad we have had in ages. I don't want to see our players looking over to Andy for advice, thay have had all week to prepare.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Ron Noades was very nasty and without personality, I reckon AS is only nasty with little personality.
They both got us up from the lowest division.

 

[nick logan]

Ron Noades was very nasty and without personality, I reckon AS is only nasty with little personality.
They both got us up from the lowest division.

I don't think he is nasty and he always has a pleasant personality when i have seen him either in person or on the telly.

 

[Inappropriate Smilies Bee]

I don't think he is nasty and he always has a pleasant personality when i have seen him either in person or on the telly.

he has always very rude and unpleasant to me in person and in writing you tit. anyway, stop fighting with each other. we can win this!!

 

[Inappropriate Smilies Bee]

have a lovely day Andy, we can win this!!! :dj:

 

[nick logan]

he has always very rude and unpleasant to me in person and in writing you tit. anyway, stop fighting with each other. we can win this!!

Really , you've never mentioned it

I am not fighting , just trying to stop people making a good situation implode.