Backroom Changes (Merged Threads)

[Nigel Brooks]

Well we wouldn't want you to have to make WarrenBee redundant would we. He'd probably have to get a paper round instead.

Now that's more like it. Let's all gang up and save WarrenBee from his Victorian overlords who have not even given him a new toothbrush with which to clean their marbled halls

 

[CJC]

You will know where I stand and believe it or not I think that the BFC board could have sold it if they had handled it in a different manner and written a far, far better statement for the official site.

I agree, they could have made it a lot clearer or embelished more. If the statement had been 'King is now being given charge of dept. X,X and X, as this covers his job anyway and allows Jon to work on PR, Lionel Road and refinancing the debt which he will be able to do better now which will save the club' it would have been easier to buy.

Although BFC isn't a dictatorship the recent events seem to show that the club is being run without any hinderance from Bees United.

If you make enough of a fuss about something it will probably get done.

 

[larrysigny]

That has to be the most ignorant posting you've made Larry, and you've made a few just on this thread. If you really have no idea who Nigel and Bish are, and the contibution they have made to BU / BFC then you should be ashamed. And you have the audacity to question whether others are "real supporters".

Er - how should I know them and how miraculous they have been supporting Brentford? I don't even know what their names are.

 

[Nigel Brooks]

Should I know who Nigel & Bish are?

Hello Larry

I'm the one who looks like the picture on the left of this post

You know the chap you regularly speak to outside The Griffin.

 

[CJC]

Nigel that's cruel. Even I didn't realise you sat 4 rows above me for a couple of months!

 

[abee]

Hello Larry

I'm the one who looks like the picture on the left of this post

You know the chap you regularly speak to outside The Griffin.

lol lol lol

If you stopped using a "pseudonym" Nigel it would make life a lot easier for some of us "oldies".............and furthermore

 

[larrysigny]

Hello Larry

I'm the one who looks like the picture on the left of this post

You know the chap you regularly speak to outside The Griffin.

You mean the quiet guy who normally speaks sense, supports Brentford through thick and thin - and wouldn't dream of giving up his Standing Order because it might hurt the club? THAT'S the guy I know.....




Obviously in your case I know (you give your name on this site).....but the point of my asking the question was......how are people supposed to know who anyone is if they don't give their names?

 

[PJ]

abee - I broadly agree with Stedders on this one.

I see this change as a staff "reshuffle". If the Club were to change the Groundsman (or change his title/promote him or whatever) you surely wouldnt expect the BU Board to be consulted?
Should BU be consulted if Winnie wants a pay rise? Where is the line drawn?

We are back to personalities and the judgement of the BFC Board is that RK can improve the club in certain areas. Whether that happens or not remains to be seen, but I personally dont see it as a BU issue.

 

[abee]

abee - I broadly agree with Stedders on this one.

I see this change as a staff "reshuffle". If the Club were to change the Groundsman (or change his title/promote him or whatever) you surely wouldnt expect the BU Board to be consulted?
Should BU be consulted if Winnie wants a pay rise? Where is the line drawn?

We are back to personalities and the judgement of the BFC Board is that RK can improve the club in certain areas. Whether that happens or not remains to be seen, but I personally dont see it as a BU issue.

Thanks Pete and I'm dropping this now.

You are comparing John Mac who according to Bees United has been doing an outstanding job as BFC CEO giving up his responsibilities for the day to day management at BFC to that of a groundsman changing his title or being promoted. If you and the other BU board members are happy with this comparison and also that this was done without the Bees United board even being troubled by having a courtesy report prior to the announcement then who am I to complain.

Were I still on the BU board I would have expected to know this prior to the final decision being taken and also a report on why Doug White is no longer able to handle the Lionel Road issues given that he works three full days a week on nothing else (according to Laurence Brimicombe who is close to him). Has Doug White now been demoted and reports to John Mac or is Doug still driving Lionel Road and it was at his request that additional assistance was provided by way of a full time John Mac. All of this should have been covered in the shockingly written statement on the official web site. Additionally the overhead at BFC has been increased at a stroke with Stephen Callen now being remunerated and beyond a doubt King having some form of salary uplift plus Martin Allen tells us in this weeks Chronny that the board of directors has increased his playing side budget over last years figure. With the overdraft now costing an additional say £25k p.a. and rising again in the short term following the recent interest rate increases I have to wonder where the additional monies are all coming from. I can only assume that there is a player sale either in course or depended upon during the season to plug the hole.

Pete, I don't make this stuff up I just comment on what goes down.

Roy King is not a "much loved and trusted" figure at Griffin Park and you know this very well. This may well be totally unfair to King who probably unwittingly has upset more than a few people in his time (indeed he has the nickname "Wayne" as you well know) but it is a fact of life. My understanding and judgement is that he is not likely to be the uniting figure desperately needed at Griffin Park to pull everyone together and present a united, efficient and equally important happy and well informed staff to the paying customers and the outside business world.

 

[PJ]

If you and the other BU board members are happy with this comparison and also that this was done without the Bees United board even being troubled by having a courtesy report prior to the announcement then who am I to complain.

The BU board DID receive a report prior to the announcement abee.

 

[PJ]

Roy King is not a "much loved and trusted" figure at Griffin Park and you know this very well. This may well be totally unfair to King who probably unwittingly has upset more than a few people in his time (indeed he has the nickname "Wayne" as you well know) but it is a fact of life.

I know abee, but the BFC board is also surely aware of the above unless they all have their heads in the sand.
But it is they who have made these decisions, not BU. Presumably they believe the above is an unwarranted assessment; after all they work with the bloke.

I personally have had no problems with RK in my {very limited} dealings with him, which are basically occasional and relatively mundane queries re Stripes matters. Can only speak as I find.
I guess its up to RK to prove his critics wrong...

 

[abee]

The BU board DID receive a report prior to the announcement abee.

Then if they were happy that it was done the correct way it is not for me to add any further comment. Thanks for clearing that up Pete........

I won't embarrass you by asking how long before the announcement as I believe that I already know............... lol lol

 

[Rod Gowers]

The main issue that seems to be galling everyone is not necessarily RK's appointment, (some people appear very anti RK, but many seem to know little or nothing about him), but rather the perceived lack of influence that BU have over the day to day running of the club.

My assumption has always been BU have an option to take over the club in (now less) than a years time, and in that capacity have various persons working within the club trying to help to make that a reality, firstly in keeping the club running on a day to day basis, secondly in trying to find a new home for the club (hopefuly Lionel Road), and thirdly negotiating with RN to achieve the best achievable terms by which control of the club is taken away from Ron Noades. I don't believe that they have ever had any "power" as such, along the lines that many people are suggesting, or that they have ever claimed so.

Hopefully Brentford will one day become a true supporters run club, but until that day I see no point in persons raising a howl of protest every time something occurs within the club that they don't personally like! Secondly even if it does become a supporters run club, there will still be decisions made by the elected board that may not always be popular. No club, just as any other body commercial or political, can run itself purely on referenda, and the collective will of the people.

Thus I find the attitude of some on this thread hard to take. Nigel and Greenholme, who I both know a little, might have the best interests of the club at heart, and may both have supported the club for a long period of time through (mostly) thin and thin, but this does not preclude either of them from behaving in what I believe is an irresponsible manner on this issue. Nigel may be a respected figure who speaks on the GPG with eloquence (though this doesn't necessarily mean what he says is always right), and Greenholme may be editor of a much lauded fanzine (a much better read than the programme imo), but in this instance they have both thrown their collective toys out the pram over very little.

Supporting BU is essential for the future of the club, whether they have influence at the moment or not. It is by being involved in BU in every respect that a real difference can be made to the future of the club, not by withdrawing support each time things don't go the way people hoped. Roy King may not be everybodies cup of tea (and personally I don't know the man, so have no axe to grind) but whether I had an issue over his appointment or not, it certainly would not lead me to the decisions made by some on this thread. Nigel and Greenholme ( and others), I ask you to reconsider your stance. You have influence over others, so please use it positively, by all means make your point, but don't withdraw your support from BU.

 

[Bigbee]

time for another intelligent post


Lots of words on here .The way I see it, BU was/is supposed to be a democracy.Leaders ,Stedder etc elected to view the thoughts and views of the rest of us unwashed .Apparantly though they let decisions be made by three/four people " closer to the situation " ? Whats the point ? BU is a fund raising machine to keep Noadsites in paid jobs.It no longer has my support.My support for BFC is unmoving,but BU is not working.I am happy to help form an organisation which may have some b***ocks when it comes to negotiations at a higher level.Your constant Parish Council meetings result in sweet fa .

I know you all mean well and spend hours of your own time ,but.................

 

[larrysigny]

Additionally the overhead at BFC has been increased at a stroke with Stephen Callen now being remunerated and beyond a doubt King having some form of salary uplift.

I'm not having a pop - but is it actual fact that Stephen is being paid and Roy King is getting a pay rise? I don't think I've read that......although it may have appeared somewhere and I missed it.

 

[Luton Bee]

Stephen is going from part time voluntary to part time employed. As for Roy King, would you expect an employee to go from Stadium manager to general manager without an uplift in salary?

 

[larrysigny]

Stephen is going from part time voluntary to part time employed. As for Roy King, would you expect an employee to go from Stadium manager to general manager without an uplift in salary?

No mention of the change from voluntary to employed in the official statement about Stephen is there Luton?

And no, I wouldn't EXPECT Roy to change jobs without more money - but is it fact or still surmise?

 

[exactonian]

From the BU site

After joining the BFC board Stephen volunteered to work for a year on a part-time, unpaid basis to stabilise the Club's financial position. In this capacity he has successfully steered the Club towards operating at break-even over the past season. In view of the continuing criticality of the Club's financial position, the BFC board believe it is essential to extend and formalise Stephen's executive management role as part-time Finance Director.



I would surmise from that he is now being paid.

 

[CJC]

I don't get the impression he is being paid, though perhaps as he has taken over Jon's role as company secretary he will take that salary? As abee pointed out the statement raises more questions than answers in some respects.

As for Roy King, would you expect an employee to go from Stadium manager to general manager without an uplift in salary?

It could be seen as a horizontal move. I'm sure people will find out in due time.

 

[CJC]

The way I see it, BU was/is supposed to be a democracy.Leaders ,Stedder etc elected to view the thoughts and views of the rest of us unwashed .Apparantly though they let decisions be made by three/four people " closer to the situation " ? Whats the point ? BU is a fund raising machine to keep Noadsites in paid jobs.

Its' only a minority view that this is a bad appointment. Significantly less people have been on here complaining than about Downes, which was a worse decision on the part of BFC and BU. As to keeping noadesites in paid jobs, it would be a mistake to remove everything from the former regime when taking over. Look at the Iraq situation, there's no law and order or government because the USA sacked all the baathists who had to be in the party to get their civil service jobs. It's like the former communist countries removing communism, you can take a gradualist or immediate approach to the problem and both have their advantages and disadvantages.

 

[abee]

1) No mention of the change from voluntary to employed in the official statement about Stephen is there Luton?

2) And no, I wouldn't EXPECT Roy to change jobs without more money - but is it fact or still surmise?

It's a fact Larry.

It is a question of winkling out what lies behind the words and just because it is as you put it an "official statement" does not mean that everything you should know is on there. Think of it as being a bit like the "Eddie Rogers has injected a further £50k and increased his loan to £100k" announcement last year. Alarm bells ring. Why did they not write that he now has £100k in unsecured loans in BFC. So off we go and after a lot of prevaricating the "smelly socks" finally winkle out of the "great and the good" that er yes actually all of Rogers loans are now secured and by conclusion being an unsecured creditor is not where Rogers wants to be right now whilst at the same time happily encouraging Bees United to make their loans er......unsecured.

The fact is Larry that whether you wish to hear it or not the people who write and post on the official site have form for not giving the whole story.

Why for example do we not know how long King's contract is for and what the notice period is. "It's not your business" the BFC directors will cry but that argument collapses as we were told only a few weeks ago that Martin Allen had signed a three year contract and Whitbread and Doyle for two years each. Does King have a rolling contract, an annual one or a fixed one with tough termination clauses?? It's not relevant you may say but if that is the case why do we need to be told the length of contracts signed by Allen, Whitbread and Doyle.

Also Doug White's interview on Clubcall given on Friday afternoon and which I hope will be transcribed in full on the official site suggests that Roy King will be acting as a proper General Manager and that one or more staff will be brought in below him to help with running the stadium and doing the stuff that King does at the moment. So this is a bit more than just a casual upgrade of job title as some have suggested. The interview should indeed be put on in its entirety as there is some very interesting stuff on there.

I happen to believe that the secrecy from within and the very limited information given out is bad enough but would be so much worse if we were not constantly delving, probing and asking questions. There are issues raised in Doug White's interview that frankly I would have thought should have been put into the public arena before now and I leave it to you to judge its importance and relevance.

 

[CJC]

Its' only a minority view that this is a bad appointment.

If you consider most people have no idea about him. I'm in the minority.

 

[Nigel Brooks]

The main issue that seems to be galling everyone is not necessarily RK's appointment, (some people appear very anti RK, but many seem to know little or nothing about him), but rather the perceived lack of influence that BU have over the day to day running of the club.

Exactly, as I posted earlier, it matters to me no one jot who is now titularly 'General Manager' it is the obvious, not perceived, lack of BU influence over such matters.

Thus I find the attitude of some on this thread hard to take. Nigel and Greenholme, .............but in this instance they have both thrown their collective toys out the pram over very little.

Not really 'very little' Rod, if BU have no influence what do they exist for save to keep an Altonwood subsidiary company trading?

Nigel and Greenholme ( and others), I ask you to reconsider your stance. You have influence over others, so please use it positively, by all means make your point, but don't withdraw your support from BU.

Can't speak for Greenholme. I honestly don't feel that I have any influence over others (even my wife and kids don't listen to me ) and hope that each and every one of my peers will make up their own minds. My point is made, my support withdrawn.

 

[Bigbee]

Its' only a minority view that this is a bad appointment. Significantly less people have been on here complaining than about Downes,

Not quite the same is it ? Its well documented that I wasnt happy with Downes appt from day one and chose to not attend after a few games of him in charge.Many still supported Downes until the last weeks of his position when even the die hard Downesites agreed I was correct from day one .Supporters didnt want to go into div 3 because they knew it spelt disaster in more ways than one.

The BFC boards convenient" re shuffle " without prior discussion with BU and therefore us, is hardly at this stage going to ruffle the feathers of 98 % of Bees fans who were apathetic towards the removal of Downes until the 11th hour .

Once again Im getting my moan in early regarding this change.

 

[PAZ]

Its' only a minority view that this is a bad appointment. Significantly less people have been on here complaining than about Downes, which was a worse decision on the part of BFC and BU. As to keeping noadesites in paid jobs, it would be a mistake to remove everything from the former regime when taking over. Look at the Iraq situation, there's no law and order or government because the USA sacked all the baathists who had to be in the party to get their civil service jobs. It's like the former communist countries removing communism, you can take a gradualist or immediate approach to the problem and both have their advantages and disadvantages.

Yeah, running a country is just like running a football club.

It may only be a minority view that this is a bad appointment (and I doubt that frankly), but I can guarantee that you'll be hard pressed to find anyone that thinks this is a good appointment.

 

[larrysigny]

It's a fact Larry. It is a question of winkling out what lies behind the words and just because it is as you put it an "official statement" does not mean that everything you should know is on there.

Fine. But how do you know it should be there - that it IS a fact? Shouldn't the vast majority of fans be given your privileged information?

Or is it still, as someone else said above in answer to my query, really just some people reading something that isn't there into it - and it really is....just surmise?

 

[Bigbee]

I'm not having a pop - and I miss it.

Thats sweet , if you do want to drop one, ask the care nurse in the home to move you nearer to an open window.Its not fair on the others in the room is it ?

 

[abee]

Fine. But how do you know it should be there - that it IS a fact? Shouldn't the vast majority of fans be given your privileged information?

Or is it still, as someone else said above in answer to my query, really just some people reading something that isn't there into it - and it really is....just surmise?

Why don't you do as you advise others to do.......phone John Mac, Roy King or Eddie Rogers or Uncle Tom Cobley and bloody ask them if it is true or not......... lol lol lol

 

[abee]

Yeah, running a country is just like running a football club.

It may only be a minority view that this is a bad appointment (and I doubt that frankly), but I can guarantee that you'll be hard pressed to find anyone that thinks this is a good appointment.

Well I can.

1) Brian Burgess and the Bees United board welcome the appointment.......(reference Bees United web site). So that's how many... twelve is it. We know (from PJ) that the BU board was advised before the official announcement and as there have been no protests or resignations we can take it that the BU board was unanimously in favour.

2) John Mac (reference BFC web site)

3) Eddie Rogers welcomed King's PROMOTION (reference BFC web site)

4) Roy King (reference interview on BFC web site)

5) Larry Signy (reference GPG)

6) Doug White (reference Clubcall interview as he clearly needs John Mac to "help" (sic) him with Lionel Road. Note "help" not work with which at least suggests that Doug is still in charge and running the new stadium show.

So that's er........seventeen so far.

 

[PJ]

I would love to sit down and have a beer with Luton, Nigel, Bigbee and others to discuss the whole situation. The hysteria on here I find incredible.

I`m not talking re RK here.
I`ve already disgusted abee by correcting his "deliberate error" (?!!) on a previous post, and he has made it clear that the GPG is his playground and he enjoys nothing more than rubbishing literally anyone who either a/ works for BFC or b/ is involved with BU in any capacity whatsoever. No axes to grind there then.
Fine abee, we`re all to**ers, you have made that clear for God knows how long. I dont have either the inclination or energy to fight you ad finitum. I respect your views but have absolutely no respect whatsoever for your style; ie relentlessly spinning everything and now even resorting to posting deliberate untruths just to gain a reaction so , presumably, your little email list/ fan club gets a giggle. Very amusing for you, i`m sure

I am not going to throw my toys out of the pram, or spit my dummy out for that matter, over an issue I feel has been blown out of all proportion and for which some people feel is another excuse to place BU as the "whipping boys" per se.

It is not rocket science -

the BFC Board runs BFC
The BU board runs BU
The BIAS board runs BIAS
etc etc

 

[abee]

Shouldn't the vast majority of fans be given your privileged information?

Larry you rub shoulders with the "great and the good" at Griffin Park and indeed have written interviews with many of them. You are loved and respected as a seeker after truth; your proggy interviews are a "must read". When word is out that a Larry Signy interview is in the proggy sales leap 50% (er well alright I made that bit up..... lol ).

Anyone who is anyone at BFC must be on your speed dial, John Mac drops everything to personally receive your cheques for £10..........so why don't you grab this wonderful opportunity to put egg on my face by making one telephone call to anyone of your choosing whom you trust to tell you the truth and then come back on here and tell us what the result is........Go ahead make everyone's day.

 

[abee]

I would love to sit down and have a beer with Luton, Nigel, Bigbee and others to discuss the whole situation. The hysteria on here I find incredible.

That's because they are all "real supporters" and I'm not I suppose........

 

[Leicester Bee]

As far as I understand, Roy King has not managed big match situations at Griffin Park very well. Frankly, this does not endear him to me and therefore, I have a right to voice my concerns over this matter, whether or not the BU committee sanctioned this move or not, or whether they even have the right to. The BFC board has sanctioned this move, and I find it hard to believe that they are unaware of the supporters' feelings over Roy King, and therefore have not prepared themselves, media-wise, properly. Everyone knows that he was appointed during Noades' tenure, and therefore this would be a controversial appointment.

I am not doubting that Roy King can do the job, only time will tell and those in the know will understand the selection process. However, the BFC board must have been aware of feelings from a section of the fans, but have done little to address this. Again, I feel this is a PR letdown with little information provided to fans. Therefore, the criticisms levelled at Roy King are justified.

Over time, we have always criticised the on-field situation, be it Brentford (on a lesser level) or the England national team, where media scrutiny is at its highest. Regardless, criticism is the same throughout and with the age of the internet, people have been increasingly fed news about the backroom scenes and therefore people will increasingly voice their opinions as a matter of course.

As it happens, the term General Manager, in my understanding, is about a role that encompasses every aspect of a business. Clear and precise knowledge about every aspect is imperative in order for such a role to succeed. As a General Manager myself, I have had to take up numerous courses to improve my areas of weaknesses, including legal affairs and accounting, and I believe that has stood me in good stead to be General Manager of our business. I have to audit a great of our processes from accounts to logistics, and from retail ventures through to our manufacturing plants. I am not trying to be sanctimonious, although I believe I am successful in my role, but I sincerely hope that Roy King does possess these similar traits or I would question why he is in that role. As a concerned fan, I have every right to voice these concerns, although like most (I suspect), I hope Roy King can prove me wrong.

If not, then surely then surely I am within my rights to question the BFC board for appointing him, and the BU board for appointing certain members to the BFC board. Aren't I?

 

[abee]

You didn't disgust me Pete and I'm not certain exactly why you wrote that. Thank you for explaining the structure but it does not stand up to scrutiny and I will tell you why below.

Look Stephen Callen wrote an article for the programme and it was reproduced on the Bees United website. This was on April 19 2004 so you don't have to delve back into the archives.......The following is an extract and not lifted out of context.

(quote)
The second significant anniversary was on 31 March 2003 when Ron Noades resigned from the Brentford board, paving the way for myself and Andrew Wainwright to join John McGlashan on the Brentford FC board and giving Bees United effective operational control of the Club.
(end Quote)

Now Pete, I will speak for myself and state again that I believe that the appointment of Roy King is against everything that Bees United stood for and by surrendering the day to day control of the club to him then Bees United can no longer support the claim that Stephen made two months ago. You cannot separate Bees United from the BFC board when BU has voting control of the board and assuming that Doug White votes with the BU reps. As the BU reps on the BFC board are an integral part of the BU executive decision making process it may be neat for you to say that there are two different functions but it just does not wash. Anyway Pete you have a beer with the very few others who have their own views on this which happen to coincide with mine. None of them came to their conclusions because of anything that I have written and it would be insulting to suggest so. I just ask you to accept that I have taken my batterings from Noades in the proggy, local press and by telephone and stood up to his threats of legal action not because I enjoyed it or had a stack of spare time but because I love Brentford Football Club and will fight anyone who I perceive may damage its long term future.

That's it. I post because I care about BFC and not because of a warped sense of humour. I do not believe that the Bees United board are a gang of "****ers as you claim and I have carried on supporting Bees United perhaps more than you know.
Pete, I am currently working with a Bees United board member on a small business plan that Brian Burgess asked me to get involved in and I said that I would happily find some time to use my own computer programmes to write a business plan and some sensitivity studies on the numbers. Is that the action of someone who regards anyone and everyone associated with the BU board as a ****er??

My views are personal and I don't have a gang. You are in the majority. Indeed I had to switch off my email and PM functions because of the abuse I was getting. I always responded as politely and swiftly as I could to anyone who wrote to me and asked me to explain my views. I stood by my position regardless of the abuse (verbal and written), the physical threats and Noades threat to take legal action against me when some of the famous names on the GPG were still supporting what he was doing. So accuse me of anything that you like but not that I enjoy what is going on.

 

[PJ]

(quote)
I just ask you to accept that I have taken my batterings from Noades in the proggy, local press and by telephone and stood up to his threats of legal action not because I enjoyed it or had a stack of spare time but because I love Brentford Football Club and will fight anyone who I perceive may damage its long term future.

Take away the legal action bit abee (of which I was never exactly threatened with by our charming owner), and I think you will find i`ve also taken batterings from the same aforementioned person via numerous outlets, including a public slaying at a shareholders` AGM which I was not even present at - and telephone calls not entirely to my liking.

We are on the same side, but I stand by the other points i`ve made above as I believe them to be entirely valid.

I believe we have different views on how to achieve the end goal, but c`est la vie....

 

[abee]

.............. but I stand by the other points i`ve made above as I believe them to be entirely valid.

Well that saddens me PJ as I believe your comments about me and my motives to be unfair.

I am not bothered about the opinions that many posters have of me but I do respect you very much. I hope that I can change your mind about what I do and why I do it someday and get back in your good books.

 

[Baffled]

I`ve already disgusted abee by correcting his "deliberate error" (?!!) on a previous post, and he has made it clear that the GPG is his playground and he enjoys nothing more than rubbishing literally anyone who either a/ works for BFC or b/ is involved with BU in any capacity whatsoever. No axes to grind there then.
Fine abee, we`re all to**ers, you have made that clear for God knows how long. I dont have either the inclination or energy to fight you ad finitum. I respect your views but have absolutely no respect whatsoever for your style; ie relentlessly spinning everything and now even resorting to posting deliberate untruths just to gain a reaction so , presumably, your little email list/ fan club gets a giggle. Very amusing for you, i`m sure.

Out of order, Pete. And utterly inaccurate. Somebody has to keep a cool, clear eye on what is being done in BU supporters' names.

 

[Luton Bee]

I have no axe to grind with Roy King myself, I have had nothing to do with the man and until the article and picture of him of the official site would not have been able to pick him out of a line-up. That is not to say I wouldn't have had anything to do with him had he the courtesy to reply to my offer with regard to the infamous Stripes air conditioning saga that now appears to have been resloved.

What I do have a problem with is the string of decisions coming from the BFC board that includes fans "representatives" that seem to be badly thought out, badly implemented and badly announced (leaked). If the people on the board do not want to listen to the views of the rank and file fans then they forfeit the right to have our support. I don't believe I am alone in this view both within the BU board and the general supporters. I firmly believe that certain people have formed an "inner circle" and that small cabal is now making decisions in my (our) name without consultation, this is not a situation I find acceptable.

 

[abee]

.......the views of the rank fans......

Exactly Luton and an excellent post. Just to confirm that nobody is more "rank" than abee...........(see PJ and Larry Signy passim)

lol lol

 

[Luton Bee]

Re: Rank

As in J Arthur or taxi?

 

[TOMOGP]

It may only be a minority view that this is a bad appointment (and I doubt that frankly), but I can guarantee that you'll be hard pressed to find anyone that thinks this is a good appointment.

Paz can you clarify your point are you saying that you consider that this is a good appontment ? if so on what grounds There have been many reasons posted about why he should not have been appointed yet none saying a good reason why he was appointed

 

[abee]

Re: Rank

As in J Arthur or taxi?

Got me there.......... lol

 

[larrysigny]

5) Larry Signy (reference GPG).

I'm sure you right, but I can't be bothered to check. Can you give me my exact words in favour of the appointment please? Thanks.

 

[abee]

I'm sure you right, but I can't be bothered to check. Can you give me my exact words in favour of the appointment please? Thanks.

lol lol lol

Well that was easy...........

Reel 'em in and throw the undersized ones back.

I'll put you down as not in favour with apologies............

 

[larrysigny]

Is that an admission that you just make up facts and wait for someone to dispute them before they become Gospel?

 

[larrysigny]

Oh by the way - you can't assume I'm not in favour either. You just don't know......you've so far presumed it both ways......please, don't take it on yourself to make up other peoples' minds for them.

 

[Baffled]

please, don't take it on yourself to make up other peoples' minds for them.

Are you trying to tell us you've got a mind? Try using it some time.

 

[Gee Bee]

Well I'm away for a few days and look what happens. My big question though is will Roy King still wear that bobble hat now he's got a better title?
Strange appointment/promotion in my view, only time will tell. However what worries me more than any salary hike he may recieve, is his contract overall and any subsequent increase in notice period etc. Should he be found not to be up to the job how much more will it cost to get rid. Is there a probation period?
I just have this horrible feeling we are closing in on another Hargraves type debacle and the bottom line is that if it does end in tears and financial cost to BFC, it is BU that are ultimately paying for it. :sad:

 

[Bigbee]

Well I'm away for a few days and look what happens. My big question though is will Roy King still wear that bobble hat now he's got a better title?
Strange appointment/promotion in my view, only time will tell. However what worries me more than any salary hike he may recieve, is his contract overall and any subsequent increase in notice period etc. Should he be found not to be up to the job how much more will it cost to get rid. Is there a probation period?
I just have this horrible feeling we are closing in on another Hargraves type debacle and the bottom line is that if it does end in tears and financial cost to BFC, it is BU that are ultimately paying for it. :sad:

yay ! welcome back time traveller ! In two minutes I think youve summed up the view of Bees supporters with free minds !

 

[abee]

Quite Gee Bee.

It is rather what we are not told than the bald content in the official statements that are of concern. I covered this in an earlier post on this thread viz

(Quote from abee)
Why for example do we not know how long King's contract is for and what the notice period is. "It's not your business" the BFC directors will cry but that argument collapses as we were told only a few weeks ago that Martin Allen had signed a three year contract and Whitbread and Doyle for two years each. Does King have a rolling contract, an annual one or a fixed one with tough termination clauses?? It's not relevant you may say but if that is the case why do we need to be told the length of contracts signed by Allen, Whitbread and Doyle.

Also Doug White's interview on Clubcall given on Friday afternoon and which I hope will be transcribed in full on the official site suggests that Roy King will be acting as a proper General Manager and that one or more staff will be brought in below him to help with running the stadium and doing the stuff that King does at the moment. So this is a bit more than just a casual upgrade of job title as some have suggested. The interview should indeed be put on in its entirety as there is some very interesting stuff on there.
(end quote)

As you say if he turns out to be not up to the job (and this is probably his first shot at General Management which carries a lot of responsibilites detailed so well by Leicester Bee in his post) what is it likely to cost bearing in mind that we have form for throwing money at people who have not been contracted/terminated properly. The fact is that if we listen to Doug White then this is not just a sinecure post and as Roy King assumes more and more responsibilites then Doug suggests that BFC may bring in one or more people to assume responsibility for the stadium. So what do we know for a fact. We had an excellent and popular "de facto" CEO in John Mac who enjoyed the total confidence of Bees United and an Operations Manager in Roy King who had done an outstanding job under difficult conditions according to Eddie Rogers speaking for the BFC board. Breaking the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" rule of business we have now removed both Roy King and John Mac from their positions and juggled the pieces on the chess board in order to provide the "help" to Doug White that he (I suppose) has asked for with the Lionel Road negotiations. But if beefing up our Lionel Road artillery was the catalyst for the moves how was it that it was not discussed with the Bees United board and considered virtually nothing to do with them.........

Only asking like and furthermore..........