Backroom Changes (Merged Threads)

[Luton Bee]

we have now removed both Roy King and John Mac from their positions and juggled the pieces on the chess board in order to provide the "help" to Doug White that he (I suppose) has asked for with the Lionel Road negotiations.

So as Doug now has a fully fledged BFC board director working on the Lionel Road project, do we still need Doug as a non-paying director?


Just asking like.....
(with appologies to abee!)

 

[abee]

So as Doug now has a fully fledged BFC board director working on the Lionel Road project, do we still need Doug as a non-paying director?


Just asking like.....
(with appologies to abee!)

The next voices you hear will be those of Brickie Chap, thefatcd, Hamburger Hill, B2B......(continues for 89 pages)

Bee H is on his way back from Cote d'Azur....he may just possibly have some input on the "Backroom Changes"........ lol

 

[stedders]

In all this we need to consider the accountability of Bees United.
To emphasise a point in my earlier posting, the Bees United-nominated members of the BFC Board are accountable to the membership.
Bees United counts for nothing without its members; Bees United without its investment – which has comes from supporters as a whole – is nothing. It follows that if members are sufficiently disturbed by decisions, or the performance of the Trust-nominated directors, they have the right to hold them to account.

So what can ordinary BU members do?

Well, one obviously “soft option” is the BU AGM, in the Autumn I suppose.

Second is pressure that can be bought to bear on the individual BU Board members, such as PJ, myself and many others who often visit the GPG. A full list of BU Board members, with email addresses can be found on the Trust website:
We have a Bees United Board Meeting coming up and this issue is bound to be raised; please email or PM me if you have substantive points that you wish to see raised. One plea I would make, however, is for you to be precise and specific about the nature of your objections: for instance making references to Roy King being a “Noadsite” or having a shifty look in his eye isn’t really going to do me much good.

Third: members of the Trust have the right to call an Special General Meeting (not an expert on these things but item 32b of the constitution appears to cover this).

 

[Bigbee]

so King has a shifty eye as well as being a Noadesite ? Didnt know that ,thanks !.My concern is not the King thing alone , its the lack, or apparent lack of democracy . It worries me what other decisions will be made by the few on behalf of the many in the future .I could take a " Happy As Larry Pill " ( tm ) but I really wouldnt want to live it that world .

 

[Nigel Brooks]

so King has a shifty eye as well as being a Noadesite ? Didnt know that ,thanks !.My concern is not the King thing alone , its the lack, or apparent lack of democracy . It worries me what other decisions will be made by the few on behalf of the many in the future .I could take a " Happy As Larry Pill " ( tm ) but I really wouldnt want to live it that world .

I don't have a problem with trusting my judgment voting for someone and then, by inference, trusting their judgment to make the best decision.

When it transpires however that, irrespective of both the process and their best intentions, they cannot make any difference to a situation which has been dictated or pre-conceived by the unelected then it invalidates, to a large extent, the democratic process.

 

[Leicester Bee]

Personally, i think that many fans still don't know how the roles and responsibilites work within BFC and BU. This causes much confusion.

The Roy King appointment, on the other hand, was a PR issue. I can see no reason how on earth BFC were not aware that this would be a controversial appointment, but made no attempt to address what issues might be rasied over the weekend within their statement on Friday. Whether or not a minority would still disagree or not ois besides the point. As an organisation, you must be seen to appease and answer the questions of the masses, therefore reducing the number of critics. PR, in many cases, is about effective communication through understanding the market you are aiming at. Another football fan I know, who has read the statements and this thread asked me whether the club cared for the fans' views or not. I thought that from an outsider's perspective, this was quite telling about how the club communicate with the paying punters, those who are ready to fill the coffers with their hard-earned cash.

 

[Aberdeen flyer]

Personally, i think that many fans still don't know how the roles and responsibilites work within BFC and BU. This causes much confusion.

The Roy King appointment, on the other hand, was a PR issue. I can see no reason how on earth BFC were not aware that this would be a controversial appointment, but made no attempt to address what issues might be rasied over the weekend within their statement on Friday. Whether or not a minority would still disagree or not ois besides the point. As an organisation, you must be seen to appease and answer the questions of the masses, therefore reducing the number of critics. PR, in many cases, is about effective communication through understanding the market you are aiming at. Another football fan I know, who has read the statements and this thread asked me whether the club cared for the fans' views or not. I thought that from an outsider's perspective, this was quite telling about how the club communicate with the paying punters, those who are ready to fill the coffers with their hard-earned cash.

And so say all of us....only a pity that those in a position to do something regarding the views of the punters blatently disregard their opinions ...

 

[Brickie Chap]

Re: Waiting patiently

Then surely BC would have known weeks ago

No, never knew about this. A fuk*ing disgrace in my opinion, ANIMAL FARM

 

[Brickie Chap]

Re: Stephen Callen PT Finance Director

From the PR does anybody know whether Stephen Callen will now be receiving a salary or is it still voluntary?

Is anybody from BU available to answer.

Have we had an answer to this yet?

 

[Brickie Chap]

I rather assumed that it was rushed out when the "great and the good" learned that both Bee H and Brickie Chap were out of the country. lol

I have been in touch with Bee H and his actual words were "$£**&%?@@z**$£"

My phone bill is going to be massive lol

 

[Banana]

Re: Waiting patiently

No, never knew about this. A fuk*ing disgrace in my opinion, ANIMAL FARM

I agree it's a disgrace you didn't know weeks in advance as normal! Best to take it up with thefatcd

 

[Brickie Chap]

Possibly the biggest piece of codswallop I've read on here lately.

What power are you referring too? Is it that he makes comments on the website, if so good luck to him.

By only picking and coaching the side, do you imply that the decisions on who we sign should be made by someone else then. Who, Winnie maybe or Mark Chapman?

I thought we were on the verge of a fantastic season next year and in fact I have lumped huge amounts of money on us at massive odds.

Unfortunately however that doesn't seem to be good enough for some people and we have to start internally imploding again.

Personally, I'm still waiting for some proper details of what King has done to upset everyone and/or some evidence he is an Altonwood puppet. "Not running big games properly" is a very subjective accusation.

Is it really a surprise that we are a fans run club in name only. Nothing new there is there, Noades has been the majority shareholder since 1998 and nothing has changed.

If all this really is your opinion about Martin Allen, then thank God that Beesotted are going to be resurrected next year.

I personally find this total over-reaction to some minor internal reorganisation baffling, although am certainly willing to be convinved by facts. (although not rumours).

I dont reckon its codswallop

 

[Brickie Chap]

abee - I broadly agree with Stedders on this one.

I see this change as a staff "reshuffle". If the Club were to change the Groundsman (or change his title/promote him or whatever) you surely wouldnt expect the BU Board to be consulted?
Should BU be consulted if Winnie wants a pay rise? Where is the line drawn?

We are back to personalities and the judgement of the BFC Board is that RK can improve the club in certain areas. Whether that happens or not remains to be seen, but I personally dont see it as a BU issue.

At what finanical cost?

 

[Brickie Chap]

I know abee, but the BFC board is also surely aware of the above unless they all have their heads in the sand.
But it is they who have made these decisions, not BU. Presumably they believe the above is an unwarranted assessment; after all they work with the bloke.

I personally have had no problems with RK in my {very limited} dealings with him, which are basically occasional and relatively mundane queries re Stripes matters. Can only speak as I find.
I guess its up to RK to prove his critics wrong...

Fair point mate, but others can only judge as they find him, hence my threat to personally sue him re the SW game. It was amazing how quickly he jumped when that happened...of course 'others' think its because he wasnt aware...

 

[Brickie Chap]

From the BU site

After joining the BFC board Stephen volunteered to work for a year on a part-time, unpaid basis to stabilise the Club's financial position. In this capacity he has successfully steered the Club towards operating at break-even over the past season. In view of the continuing criticality of the Club's financial position, the BFC board believe it is essential to extend and formalise Stephen's executive management role as part-time Finance Director.



I would surmise from that he is now being paid.

As SC is a Director, all us think prats can always wait until the next set of accounts are released lol

 

[Brickie Chap]

Re: Waiting patiently

I agree it's a disgrace you didn't know weeks in advance as normal! Best to take it up with thefatcd

I did :box:

 

[abee]

As SC is a Director, all us think prats can always wait until the next set of accounts are released lol

You will have a bit of a wait as the first time that you will see the numbers is in the accounts for the financial year ending 31 May 2005 which would normally hit the streets around November 2005.

Past practice has been for just one total to be given for the remuneration of all of the directors and that was okay when Hargraves was the only director drawing a salary as there was nowhere for him to run but now with John Mac and Stephen Callen being remunerated there will probably just be one sum shown as total emoluments. However you are looking at the thick end of eighteen months before the numbers would be available to be picked over in the accounts so it is way down the line unless our supporter directors choose to tell us what they are getting paid and there has been no sign of that.

Interestingly enough rumour has been that John Mac was drawing only £18k although for sometime my understanding was that he was drawing quite a bit more than that percentage wise. This seems to be borne out in John Macs answers to Bishs questions when John Mac states something to the effect that he has never agreed to work for £18k and he didn't know where the figure came from. Brian Burgess also states that we cannot expect people and their families to be making sacrifices and that proper salaries have to be paid.

 

[Luton Bee]

Brian Burgess also states that we cannot expect people and their families to be making sacrifices and that proper salaries have to be paid.

So I wonder what the "proper" salary would be for John McGlashan?

 

[abee]

So I wonder what the "proper" salary would be for John McGlashan?

Well Martin Allen said in an interview that he didn't want anyone at Brentford who was gonna haggle over money. As far as he was concerned it was take it or leave it and if they didn't take it they were on their bikes...........

I assume that philosophy applies to directors and management staff as well...... lol

 

[TOMOGP]

Well Martin Allen said in an interview that he didn't want anyone at Brentford who was gonna haggle over money. As far as he was concerned it was take it or leave it and if they didn't take it they were on their bikes...........

I assume that philosophy applies to directors and management staff as well...... lol

There are many times with your posts abee i am reminded of the old Dick Emery quote " OOO you are awful - but I like you"

 

[Bee H]

So I wonder what the "proper" salary would be for John McGlashan?

Shall I or shan't I ?

I must admit that his comment re his salary in response to Bosh was an absolute egotistical disgrace, do you honestly rate yourself that highly JM - I shouldn't if I were you, I'd be ashamed ;

1. of jumping when Noades said 'jump' without even considering using Griffingate to try and make him hurt financially, in fact it was quite the oppposite "John, it's Ronny here - listen, we're out of money, we can;t pay the wages this month, do BU want to take it on ?" "Oh yes please Ronny, in fact we'll shove in £100k of the monies received from those thick prats who don;t realise how good you've been for the Club - is that okay Ronny ?" - is that about the size of it JM ?

2. of absolute howlers committed during your reign - I've mentioned elsewhere re not gaining immediate control of the Bank Account and the newspaper article re it being Webb's fault and not Noad€s' fault - a f*cking insult that !

and you think you've done well ? You've sold us down the river full stop and you should be ashamed.

You're drawing more than the £18k mentioned elsewhere - time will tell with you in your new role and some truths re matters such as Lionel Road would be a nice start ................

 

[Gee Bee]

I might be wrong, but I thought that when JM became paid employee at BFC his salary was to funded by BU. If so surely the amount involved should be within BU accounts and all members aware as it is with any mutual society.

 

[abee]

I might be wrong, but I thought that when JM became paid employee at BFC his salary was to funded by BU. If so surely the amount involved should be within BU accounts and all members aware as it is with any mutual society.

If my memory serves me right..... lol ........that was the initial arrangement but then I believed that John Mac went onto the BFC payroll when he was er "...learning the management game...." from Gary Hargraves.

Interestingly enough though the total directors emoluments for the financial year ended 31 May 2003 were £89,384 and this included £24,200 paid to Hargraves for termination of employment. Strip that out and we come back to £65,184 which would be Hargraves only based upon his earnings shown in earlier accounts. So maybe you are right and John's salary is being washed through Bees United.....

 

[Luton Bee]

Of course there is one possibility we have all missed here with regard to this reshuffle. It could be a tactic to get John Mac out of the firing line before a really large piece of sh*te hits a very large fan (and I don't mean either Bigbee or myself!)

 

[abee]

Of course there is one possibility we have all missed here with regard to this reshuffle. It could be a tactic to get John Mac out of the firing line before a really large piece of sh*te hits a very large fan (and I don't mean either Bigbee or myself!)

Oh, oh, Luton......you've heard it now as well have you............... lol

 

[Ace Face]

Stephen Callen will be getting a salary.

There are many things that trouble me about all this - and it hurts me to say that, bearing in mind the real stars like Stedders & PJ.

But one thing in particular is surely the JM & SC should have got the full agreement of the BU Board before awarding themselves a part-time salary and a move to a salary rate from a love job to a market rate salary.

I really fear what is coming next and however hard Brian tries to stick plasters on the accountability problems, I worry about a BFC led Altonwood deal instead of a BU led Altonwood deal.

Last night I couldn`t sleep maybe it just a coincidence.

 

[abee]

1) Stephen Callen will be getting a salary.

2) There are many things that trouble me about all this - and it hurts me to say that, bearing in mind the real stars like Stedders & PJ.

3) But one thing in particular is surely the JM & SC should have got the full agreement of the BU Board before awarding themselves a part-time salary and a move to a salary rate from a love job to a market rate salary.

4) I really fear what is coming next and however hard Brian tries to stick plasters on the accountability problems, I worry about a BFC led Altonwood deal instead of a BU led Altonwood deal.

1) I told my few remaining readers on the GPG that last Friday and then had to waste time with the Larry Signy's of this world i.e. is this a fact or is it just surmise. I invited Larry to do what he is always telling us to do which is pick up the phone and ask John Mac or anyone else whom he trusts at BFC and come back on here and put egg all over abee's face but he went all quiet on this subject. Look Bish you can either believe what I post on here or not. I don't really care. PJ did a number on me last Saturday basically suggesting that I was posting untruths maliciously just through a warped sense of humour and I don't want to fall out any further with a bloke whom I greatly respect.

2) PJ at least is perfectly relaxed about the whole thing and is quite undisturbed that although the decision had been taken in principle by the BFC board of directors before the last Bees United board meeting on May 27 the BFC directors appointed/ratified by BU and attending the BU board meeting did not consider it of sufficient interest to bother mentioning it!!!

3) I told you one year ago where this was all heading. Do I have to keep dropping pennies on the floor. You now seem to be getting the hang of this "fans run club".

4) I could tell you but then I would just get the usual crap from the usual suspects so I'll let it come out in its own time........

 

[beansbee]

After joining the BFC board Stephen volunteered to work for a year on a part-time, unpaid basis to stabilise the Club's financial position. In this capacity he has successfully steered the Club towards operating at break-even over the past season. In view of the continuing criticality of the Club's financial position, the BFC board believe it is essential to extend and formalise Stephen's executive management role as part-time Finance Director.

I am just reading through all this trying to work out things. Who was the finance directory before Stephen callum was appointed. What happened to him?

 

[beansbee]

any news!