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kempy
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Were you watching a different fight to me? Or are you Jim Watt?
I thought Haye pissed it myself. Valuev hardly got near him. Haye landed far more punches and was far more agressive. If anything it should have been a unanaimous decision and not majority in my opinion.
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Salford Bee - the prediction King strikers again.
Did you back Liverpool for the Premiership, by any chance ?
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Although, to be fair, suggesting the much bigger bloke might beat up the smaller bloke isn't exactly betting against the laws of common sense and logic.
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Although, to be fair, suggesting the much bigger bloke might beat up the smaller bloke isn't exactly betting against the laws of common sense and logic.
In boxing parlance, a good big 'un will usually beat a good little 'un. Thing is, Valuev isn't very good. Hes just a big lump.
Deathstroke
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Ricky Hatton returns to the ring, unfortunately it's a WWE ring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqMH3qoW2DI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqMH3qoW2DI
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Voice of the mysterons...
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Mr Tree
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lol quality. i like the commentator, "did he say 'slightly over 140lbs'? like, 50lbs over 140lbs?" 
GP200
Voice of the mysterons...
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Jimbee
Who's the dummy?
kempy
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Pacquiao v Cotto is worth a watch.
Seen a few highlights of this. Pacquiao is quite simply awesome. Would love to see him go up against Mayweather.
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Who saw Friday fight night on Sky?
Never have I seen two fighters knock each other down at exactly the same time....apart from Rocky and Apollo Creed that is.
Fantastic entertainment......
Never have I seen two fighters knock each other down at exactly the same time....apart from Rocky and Apollo Creed that is.
Fantastic entertainment......
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Incredible performance from the Pac man, so quick and yet so powerful. Credit to Cotto for lasting until the 12th round when many fighters would have thrown in the towel earlier.
Pacquiao vs Mayweather will be one hell of a fight!
Pacquiao vs Mayweather will be one hell of a fight!
Beeky38
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The ref should have stopped it much earlier. Cotto was badly beaten up and taking too many shots.
kempy
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They weren't the greatest fighters but it was fantatstic entertainment.
Thought Ricky Hattons brother was average. Having said that it's a bit like Greenholme having to be in my shadow all his life.......not much hope I suppose.
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lol quality. i like the commentator, "did he say 'slightly over 140lbs'? like, 50lbs over 140lbs?"
Wouldn't say that to his face.
kempy
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Funniest thing I have ever read!! It's not April 1st is it? rofl
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...Amir-Khan-eyes-clash-with-Manny-Pacquiao.html
Pacquiao would absolutely destroy Khan without even breaking a sweat.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...Amir-Khan-eyes-clash-with-Manny-Pacquiao.html
Pacquiao would absolutely destroy Khan without even breaking a sweat.
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Pass the bloody thing
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8403896.stm
Say what you will about Haye, some of the lines he comes out with are gold
"There are probably one million dudes in America called Kevin Johnson, and beating one of them doesn't make you an all-time great heavyweight."
"They may be big in Switzerland, but so are yodellers, and nobody wants to watch them fight."
"Heavyweight title fights should be huge events, not an after-thought in a country most famous for producing Toblerones."
Say what you will about Haye, some of the lines he comes out with are gold
"There are probably one million dudes in America called Kevin Johnson, and beating one of them doesn't make you an all-time great heavyweight."
"They may be big in Switzerland, but so are yodellers, and nobody wants to watch them fight."
"Heavyweight title fights should be huge events, not an after-thought in a country most famous for producing Toblerones."
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8403896.stm
Say what you will about Haye, some of the lines he comes out with are gold
"There are probably one million dudes in America called Kevin Johnson, and beating one of them doesn't make you an all-time great heavyweight."
"They may be big in Switzerland, but so are yodellers, and nobody wants to watch them fight."
"Heavyweight title fights should be huge events, not an after-thought in a country most famous for producing Toblerones."
it could be argued that he sometimes oversteps the mark with the thingd he says/ does outside the ring (though nothing too bad in the linked article), but he is very entertaining!
simon_porter00
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Nah, from what I've read about the things that Ali said (you only have to read the 606 message boards after Haye was poking fun at the Russian guys aesthetically displeasing appearance) which were truly out of order, anything Haye says is pretty lame in comparison.
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And we complain about Football whoreing itself
It wasn’t easy, but somehow the cretins running boxing’s for-profit sanctioning bodies – men and women gifted with the divine ability to turn wine into water, diamonds into coal and Ricky Frazier into a mandatory – have succeeded in turning the word “super,” a term previously free of negative connotations, into one of the most dreaded words in the English language.
It started nearly a decade ago with the WBA’s introduction of the “super champion” concept, whereby they found a way to give title belts to two fighters in the same division. And it threatens to get worse in the months ahead if the alphabets succeed in creating a “super heavyweight” division.
The heads of the WBA, WBC and IBF, Gilberto Jesus Mendoza, Jose Sulaiman and Marian Muhammad, respectively (that’s the only way you’ll ever see the seven letters that form the word “respect” share a sentence with those names), met in Cancun earlier this month to see whether they could more effectively rape and pillage our sport. One order of business was initial discussion of introducing a super heavyweight division.
It doesn’t take a genius to see why this idea would appeal to the alphabets: An 18th weight class equals new opportunities to extract sanctioning fees.
But if you’re a boxing fan, this idea should hold zero appeal. Those sanctioning fees won’t land in your pocket. And the value of what once was the most prestigious title in all of sports – heavyweight champion of the world – will be rendered almost nonexistent.
We all know hard times have fallen upon the heavyweight division in recent years. But as bad as things are, splitting the heavyweight division in two will make it even worse. It could become so bad that we someday look wistfully back upon the bygone Klitschko Brothers era as something we wish we could recapture.
For starters, consider the talent pool. There isn’t enough to properly populate one heavyweight division right now. Look at the RING rankings. Alexander Dimitrenko and Tony Thompson are both still in the Top 10. If you divide the division into “heavyweights” (presumably with a weight limit of 220 or 225 pounds) and “super heavyweights,” you’re making each division twice as diluted as heavyweight currently is.
Almost everyone agrees that the NBA and NHL have over-expanded and watered down their products, but at least they did so just a couple of teams at a time; they didn’t go around doubling the number of teams in the league. That’s approximately what the creation of a super heavyweight division would do from a depth-of-talent perspective.
And following right in line, the addition of a super heavyweight division would destroy the cachet of titles in either weight class. Suddenly, “heavyweight” would become a second-rate title, given approximately the respect that “cruiserweight” is given now. And “super heavyweight” would not inherit all of the prestige “heavyweight” once held, because there is no history behind the term.
Imagine that you’re one of the Klitschkos. If your heavyweight belts are suddenly replaced with super heavyweight belts, then you’re no longer a part of the same all-time-great discussions as Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali. Every debate about where to rank you among the legends of the division becomes complicated and perhaps altogether moot. Is Vitali Klitschko a Top-25 all-time heavyweight? Well, he’s not a heavyweight at all, so can we really have that discussion?
Similarly, if the 220-pound Alexander Povetkin claims one of the new “heavyweight” titles, can he be properly assessed in the annals of history if he never has to defend his belt against the best big men of his era, namely the Klitschkos?
There’s an argument out there that it isn’t fair for 220-pounders to fight 250-pounders, that they don’t stand a chance of winning. We heard some of this chatter after Cris Arreola lost to Vitali Klitschko last September (it was a rather comical argument since Arreola was himself a 250-pounder, just not as tall a 250-pounder as Klitschko) and then ironically we heard it again after Arreola was the bigger man pummeling 218-pound Brian Minto in December.
If Minto feels he’s too small to compete against these guys, well, it’s not like anybody’s forcing him to fight them. He can go ahead and compete exclusively against guys like Povetkin, Eddie Chambers, Ruslan Chagaev or David Haye. But he’ll find that the results are the same. He’ll lose to those fighters because he’s just not as good as them. Minto is an honest heavyweight who tries hard and can beat some of the B-level guys, but he’s not at the world-class level.
History has shown us that smaller heavyweights who are world-class fighters can beat heavyweights who have three or four inches and 20 or 30 pounds on them. How else would you explain Lennox Lewis getting knocked out by both Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman? Or Wladimir Klitschko getting KO’d by Lamon Brewster? Or Vitali Klitschko losing to Chris Byrd? Jack Dempsey hammered Jess Willard, and Max Baer brutalized Primo Carnera. More recently, Chambers schooled Dimitrenko. And Haye outpointed Nikolai Valuev despite giving away nine inches and 99 pounds.
The Klitschkos are obviously much better fighters than Dimitrenko and Valuev, but the reason they keep winning isn’t that 220-pound heavyweights can’t beat them. It’s that at this moment there aren’t any 220-pound heavyweights good enough. We likely wouldn’t be having this discussion about whether the Klitschkos are too big for everyone if Ali or Larry Holmes or a prime Evander Holyfield were around right now.
Yes, times have changed, athletes have grown and most 195-pounders wouldn’t stand a chance against the Klitschkos. But that problem was already addressed with the creation – and later, the 10-pound limit increase – of the cruiserweight division. (And you’d still have a hard time convincing me that Louis, at about 202 pounds, wouldn’t have a realistic shot at upending one of the Klitschko brothers.)
Should we penalize Wladimir and Vitali by inventing this new division just because the current 220-pounders aren’t good enough to beat them?
Lurking within that question is the solution to this potential super heavyweight problem: As the most powerful – and, importantly, the most financially valuable – names in the heavyweight division, the Klitschkos need to stand up to the alphabet boys. Wladimir holds two alphabet belts. Vitali holds one. If they refuse to play ball, if they talk to Sulaiman or Muhammad or Mendoza before this thing becomes official and they tell them, “We’re heavyweights and we’re not paying sanctioning fees on super heavyweight titles,” then there’s a good chance this atrocious idea never gets off the ground.
Wladimir and Vitali, the boxing world needs you to step up right now. I don’t know exactly where I’d rank you among the all-time heavyweights. But it’s up to you guys to make sure I’m at least engaging in that discussion after your careers are over.
It wasn’t easy, but somehow the cretins running boxing’s for-profit sanctioning bodies – men and women gifted with the divine ability to turn wine into water, diamonds into coal and Ricky Frazier into a mandatory – have succeeded in turning the word “super,” a term previously free of negative connotations, into one of the most dreaded words in the English language.
It started nearly a decade ago with the WBA’s introduction of the “super champion” concept, whereby they found a way to give title belts to two fighters in the same division. And it threatens to get worse in the months ahead if the alphabets succeed in creating a “super heavyweight” division.
The heads of the WBA, WBC and IBF, Gilberto Jesus Mendoza, Jose Sulaiman and Marian Muhammad, respectively (that’s the only way you’ll ever see the seven letters that form the word “respect” share a sentence with those names), met in Cancun earlier this month to see whether they could more effectively rape and pillage our sport. One order of business was initial discussion of introducing a super heavyweight division.
It doesn’t take a genius to see why this idea would appeal to the alphabets: An 18th weight class equals new opportunities to extract sanctioning fees.
But if you’re a boxing fan, this idea should hold zero appeal. Those sanctioning fees won’t land in your pocket. And the value of what once was the most prestigious title in all of sports – heavyweight champion of the world – will be rendered almost nonexistent.
We all know hard times have fallen upon the heavyweight division in recent years. But as bad as things are, splitting the heavyweight division in two will make it even worse. It could become so bad that we someday look wistfully back upon the bygone Klitschko Brothers era as something we wish we could recapture.
For starters, consider the talent pool. There isn’t enough to properly populate one heavyweight division right now. Look at the RING rankings. Alexander Dimitrenko and Tony Thompson are both still in the Top 10. If you divide the division into “heavyweights” (presumably with a weight limit of 220 or 225 pounds) and “super heavyweights,” you’re making each division twice as diluted as heavyweight currently is.
Almost everyone agrees that the NBA and NHL have over-expanded and watered down their products, but at least they did so just a couple of teams at a time; they didn’t go around doubling the number of teams in the league. That’s approximately what the creation of a super heavyweight division would do from a depth-of-talent perspective.
And following right in line, the addition of a super heavyweight division would destroy the cachet of titles in either weight class. Suddenly, “heavyweight” would become a second-rate title, given approximately the respect that “cruiserweight” is given now. And “super heavyweight” would not inherit all of the prestige “heavyweight” once held, because there is no history behind the term.
Imagine that you’re one of the Klitschkos. If your heavyweight belts are suddenly replaced with super heavyweight belts, then you’re no longer a part of the same all-time-great discussions as Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali. Every debate about where to rank you among the legends of the division becomes complicated and perhaps altogether moot. Is Vitali Klitschko a Top-25 all-time heavyweight? Well, he’s not a heavyweight at all, so can we really have that discussion?
Similarly, if the 220-pound Alexander Povetkin claims one of the new “heavyweight” titles, can he be properly assessed in the annals of history if he never has to defend his belt against the best big men of his era, namely the Klitschkos?
There’s an argument out there that it isn’t fair for 220-pounders to fight 250-pounders, that they don’t stand a chance of winning. We heard some of this chatter after Cris Arreola lost to Vitali Klitschko last September (it was a rather comical argument since Arreola was himself a 250-pounder, just not as tall a 250-pounder as Klitschko) and then ironically we heard it again after Arreola was the bigger man pummeling 218-pound Brian Minto in December.
If Minto feels he’s too small to compete against these guys, well, it’s not like anybody’s forcing him to fight them. He can go ahead and compete exclusively against guys like Povetkin, Eddie Chambers, Ruslan Chagaev or David Haye. But he’ll find that the results are the same. He’ll lose to those fighters because he’s just not as good as them. Minto is an honest heavyweight who tries hard and can beat some of the B-level guys, but he’s not at the world-class level.
History has shown us that smaller heavyweights who are world-class fighters can beat heavyweights who have three or four inches and 20 or 30 pounds on them. How else would you explain Lennox Lewis getting knocked out by both Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman? Or Wladimir Klitschko getting KO’d by Lamon Brewster? Or Vitali Klitschko losing to Chris Byrd? Jack Dempsey hammered Jess Willard, and Max Baer brutalized Primo Carnera. More recently, Chambers schooled Dimitrenko. And Haye outpointed Nikolai Valuev despite giving away nine inches and 99 pounds.
The Klitschkos are obviously much better fighters than Dimitrenko and Valuev, but the reason they keep winning isn’t that 220-pound heavyweights can’t beat them. It’s that at this moment there aren’t any 220-pound heavyweights good enough. We likely wouldn’t be having this discussion about whether the Klitschkos are too big for everyone if Ali or Larry Holmes or a prime Evander Holyfield were around right now.
Yes, times have changed, athletes have grown and most 195-pounders wouldn’t stand a chance against the Klitschkos. But that problem was already addressed with the creation – and later, the 10-pound limit increase – of the cruiserweight division. (And you’d still have a hard time convincing me that Louis, at about 202 pounds, wouldn’t have a realistic shot at upending one of the Klitschko brothers.)
Should we penalize Wladimir and Vitali by inventing this new division just because the current 220-pounders aren’t good enough to beat them?
Lurking within that question is the solution to this potential super heavyweight problem: As the most powerful – and, importantly, the most financially valuable – names in the heavyweight division, the Klitschkos need to stand up to the alphabet boys. Wladimir holds two alphabet belts. Vitali holds one. If they refuse to play ball, if they talk to Sulaiman or Muhammad or Mendoza before this thing becomes official and they tell them, “We’re heavyweights and we’re not paying sanctioning fees on super heavyweight titles,” then there’s a good chance this atrocious idea never gets off the ground.
Wladimir and Vitali, the boxing world needs you to step up right now. I don’t know exactly where I’d rank you among the all-time heavyweights. But it’s up to you guys to make sure I’m at least engaging in that discussion after your careers are over.
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wanderer paul
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watching it online, Haye is hammering Ruiz but just can't get him to stay down!
now into round 8 of 12
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Ruiz has been knocked down 5 times now, another big punch from Haye, and still Ruiz stands toe to toe!
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the towel has been chucked in by Ruiz;s corner. Only the second time he's been stopped, Haye was too quick for Ruiz.
davebee
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hobbsy
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I actually think that was one of the best heavyweight fights I've seen for a very long time. Normally they are just boring hug fests.
Well done Haye, and credit to Ruiz who no doubt would've kept fighting if the towel hadn't come in.
Well done Haye, and credit to Ruiz who no doubt would've kept fighting if the towel hadn't come in.
Gazza Bee
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Carl Froch loses to Kessler on points
What a amazing match, have to say I love Froch,he's a real warrior with plenty of guts, hope for a Super Six final between Kessler and Froch...
It seems like you have to be Forest supporter to support Froch in the UK, what that about ?
Thorne In The Side
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Really underlines that proper boxing is still very much alive and well. Honest fighters that you would pay money to watch.
Deathstroke
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Unfortunately, Hennesey Sports just doesn't have the same promotional clout as Warren , Maloney e.t.c. and as a result Carl's fights are tucked away on Primetime PPV and as a result he gets a fraction of the exposure he should do.
In fact I'd go as far as saying that Mick Hennessy would struggle to sell Megan Fox's ass to a group 40 year old virgins.
Deathstroke
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Wayne and Coleen are going to love Hatton tomorrow morning.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/963857/Ricky-Hatton-drugs-shame.html
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/963857/Ricky-Hatton-drugs-shame.html
WarrenBee
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Deathstroke
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OMG!
I had heard reports of it before, but nothing concrete.
I like the way the woman says "I'm doing this for Ricky's own good." I am sure that bringing it to his family's attention would be a lot more helpful than recording it and flogging it to the News of the World, albeit not as lucrative.
Sweepy
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Precisely what I thought when reading it. Celebs must realise that any hanger-on can become a turncoat at any time.
Weirdly though, this headline didn't actually come as a great shock to me. I have already come around to the idea that the heroes just aren't out there anymore - a sentiment many fans of most sports can relate to.