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We don't want the Paddock getting any bigger, I think free salads might be the order of the day.
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And is rubbish.
A Programme should be no smaller than Brentford's and no bigger than Bournemouth/Brighton/Birmingham etc.
A newspaper style is just poor and not easy to read or look after. :yuck:
In reply to rebus and HB.
The club lost their best historian & contributor sometime ago, Graham Haynes. It's not easy filling those shoes.
I'd love GeoffBee to write down his knowledge of games and serialise something that he has in his cupboard!
rebus has exceptional knowledge of the club. Others have a good background knowledge.
I'd like to see HertfordBee expand on his 1970's/1980's knowledge/diary, and what the basis was for the BBB70's80's books, and maybe look back, through articles in the programme, at games & moments from the 1970's/1980's.
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I think it's missing a trick thinking thinking about a type of article that has to be a series for every match day for the season. There's obviously some staples for this but why not ask supporters to submit articles/stories about anything Bees/football related and print these as one off articles if they're up to it? It'd make a much better/interesting read than some of the quickening knocked off pieces.
I really enjoyed the ghost ground series but that's a classic example of being tough to accommodate 25 times or so per season. I'd be more than happy with the odd well written article like this popping up from time to time, being replaced by articles about other subjects.
A good one would be would be The Mount, down the road from me here in sunny Catford. Very interesting story about one of the early attempted/failed amalgamations of football clubs between Charlton and Catford South End. Had to research this for some work a while ago with very little material/memorabilia available on the ground but it's a good story.
This season's programme feels like there's too many filler pages. The "programme from the past" could be much more informative. Do we really need a whole blank page for autographs? Historical buildings in Brentford are all very well, but don't think a football programme is the place for them and there's been quite a few times where ticketing arrangements have been pretty over-egged. I definitely feel I've whizzed through it much faster than in previous seasons.
Also touched on this before, but I think the design/choice of typefaces etc is pretty mundane. I understand the lack of staff etc but there could be a little more imagination going into this.
I don't mean to be heavily critical as I know it's a tough job with short deadlines but just looking at it from a reader's point of view.
I really enjoyed the ghost ground series but that's a classic example of being tough to accommodate 25 times or so per season. I'd be more than happy with the odd well written article like this popping up from time to time, being replaced by articles about other subjects.
A good one would be would be The Mount, down the road from me here in sunny Catford. Very interesting story about one of the early attempted/failed amalgamations of football clubs between Charlton and Catford South End. Had to research this for some work a while ago with very little material/memorabilia available on the ground but it's a good story.
This season's programme feels like there's too many filler pages. The "programme from the past" could be much more informative. Do we really need a whole blank page for autographs? Historical buildings in Brentford are all very well, but don't think a football programme is the place for them and there's been quite a few times where ticketing arrangements have been pretty over-egged. I definitely feel I've whizzed through it much faster than in previous seasons.
Also touched on this before, but I think the design/choice of typefaces etc is pretty mundane. I understand the lack of staff etc but there could be a little more imagination going into this.
I don't mean to be heavily critical as I know it's a tough job with short deadlines but just looking at it from a reader's point of view.
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Happy to offer my experience, it's pretty much the only thing I know anything useful about.
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I don't believe supporters have ever been told not to offer articles for inclusion in the programme. As rebus has said before, all articles are welcomed, it's then up to his judgement if they're included or not. The articles do not have to be serialised, they can be single issue ones, it's all about a blend.
As for the old pictures of Brentford article and why? It's the clubs 125th anniversary, so looking back at old pictures of Brentford and old buildings from the area gives some local history for the supporters to read about, welcomed IMO.
As for the old pictures of Brentford article and why? It's the clubs 125th anniversary, so looking back at old pictures of Brentford and old buildings from the area gives some local history for the supporters to read about, welcomed IMO.
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The only thing I generally buy home programmes for now is to get the squad details. All the other news I already have beforehand from the likes of the website and GPG.
I usually buy an away one as a kind of souvenir. I am starting to question that however as they invariably end up in a bottom draw for a couple of years before progressing into the loft.
I usually buy an away one as a kind of souvenir. I am starting to question that however as they invariably end up in a bottom draw for a couple of years before progressing into the loft.
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Ditto. I think the main issue with this is that it'd look much more visually interesting if each headline was individually considered in the context of page/photography/article. Currently, it's just a placeholder to drop some text into. It doesn't have very much more impact than the running heads. Again,I understand the staffing constraints but it'd certainly help bring articles to life.
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IMO it's a decent publication. It has to cater for a wide audience in terms of age groups. Younger supporters in the making doubtless enjoy the number of photos. Personally I'd like more biogs of the opposition squad rather than highlighting a few players but overall it's good. I hope we don 't ditch hardcopy as programmes are always a memory even if they end up in a crate somewhere .
rebus
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Thanks for the feedback, some food for thought there. I enjoyed writing the ghost grounds feature so it may well get a re-run now we're in a different tier of football.
The '125 years in Brentford' page will only run for this season, as was the plan.
The autographs are in fact an advert for an estate agent. It proves popular with the kids, and I am assuming our younger readers also like the poster in the middle too for their wall.
Looking forward to next season, the visitors section will change, but the content has yet to be decided.
Please keep the suggestions coming, thank you.
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Good point. I retract this idea. Maybe we could offer a link up with Golds gym.... Or Hooters.
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rebus
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Looking forward to some suggestions and comments on here for the programme for the 2016/17 - planning is well in hand but would appreciate constructive feedback. Thank you.
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I would definitely like to see far more comprehensive details on the opposition. I thought last year was poor with , in the main a squad list of their players and some basic information on their past history. I thought the programme in general was not worth the money compared to a lot of our opposition clubs with too much advertising (although I do appreciate the revenue that it can generate ). As a now long in the tooth Bees supporter I'm always interested in what some of the past players are doing - "Where ar ethey Now ?"
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Total bees apperances on stats page.
Yes Please plus total Bees goals.
And now that LR looks like it will happen a 'History of' going back to Uncle Ron, Western International, Feltham Arena, Doug's Monorail etc
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Something of interest that you don't get anywhere else without really delving. WAGS ?!
I'd be willing to do that for the programme ;-)
I'd be willing to do that for the programme ;-)
rebus
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I buy a programme as part of a long-established match day routine. It's read at the ground plus on the train home.
At GP I check out the league table, manager/coach column, Chief Exec's column, and a quick look at the opposition profiles. I mark the players in the team and on the bench as PG reads them out.
On the train home, being an old git, I read any historical stuff - on kits, grounds, past matches old players etc. and there's been some good series in recent times.
And that's about it. Maybe look at the player stats occasionally but most weeks I won't read anything else apart from the above (unless maybe the train is heavily delayed)
At GP I check out the league table, manager/coach column, Chief Exec's column, and a quick look at the opposition profiles. I mark the players in the team and on the bench as PG reads them out.
On the train home, being an old git, I read any historical stuff - on kits, grounds, past matches old players etc. and there's been some good series in recent times.
And that's about it. Maybe look at the player stats occasionally but most weeks I won't read anything else apart from the above (unless maybe the train is heavily delayed)
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No cut and paste opposition articles from self appointed "football historian" Leigh Edwards or whatever his name is.
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I haven't bought a programme for many years. Far too expensive and doesn't tell me anything I don't already know (or can find out easily on the Internet). Also more clutter to carry round. And what do you do with it after the game?
Isn't the day of the programme over really?
Isn't the day of the programme over really?
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Everyone said that about vinyl records, now look at what is happening. :shrug:
The programme has a place in British football. Not many countries have the history like we do in issuing programmes or team cards for football matches.
A programme can be good for updates and news, especially for those that don't have regular access to the internet. There are still a few that don't or cannot be bothered with the 'net.
A programme is good for knowledge of the visiting team on the day.
It's a medium where some history of the Club can be re-told. (This is my main interest)
It can also be used for articles off main stream or for facts on issues that surround football.
I don't believe the football programme is dead just yet.
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How about an electronic programme? Wouldn't people prefer to read it on their I-phones rather than cart around a lump of paper? It would also be cheaper to produce (no printing costs and no street sellers).
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The Club did that too. Not sure if it still does though. It cost the same, IIRC, £3.
The programme is produced by a company, who sponsor the stand, so I doubt if it can be brought in house just yet.
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Don't like the idea of sitting there with an electronic programme...
1) Having high-tech kit there for people to thieve
2) Sunlight reflects and would make it hard to read
3) Rain on the kit doesn't sound too appealing
4) Physical souvenirs are much more appealing to me
1) Having high-tech kit there for people to thieve
2) Sunlight reflects and would make it hard to read
3) Rain on the kit doesn't sound too appealing
4) Physical souvenirs are much more appealing to me
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Personally, i think the programme should have the number of pages reduced and and the price reduced or included in admission price. Endless pages of pics and youth team focus doesn't interest me. One page on youth would suffice. Also do we really need a page where 'you can win a Travis CD? I like articles on old players and player interviews as well as a bit of history.
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This is bloody closed season madness, nothing better to do than come up with provocations. The programme is part of the whole match - God help me I nearly said match day experience. It's a great read on the way home. I even love the typos. And it's reasonable value for money. And as to where you put them - how can you not know that? You put them - or rather the crates of them - where they most annoy the wife until she gets really snitty and you have to put them in the loft and visit them every so often. Get rid of the hard copy programme and we are half way to hell and it will serve us all right when the bloody Cloud bursts and the internet wears out and the week by week history of our club gets lost in cyberspace.
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I have an emotional attachment to the programme. In the early 60s it had to be one of the worst in the League but I bought one cos that's what kids did. As I got older I bought one to help club revenue. Now I just buy one because of habit. I read the managers section before the game but that's it. At the end of the season they go in a crate in the garage.
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Like you I have hundreds in my garage but for the last 6 years I have brought along a grandson and now my son-in-law is complaining that he has had to put up shelves to house the grandson's collection. P.S. I read them before, during and after the match.
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That already exists via an I-phone / I-pad app. You can download the electronic version on a Friday evening and read it the night before the match which is quite handy. That said I always buy a hard copy myself and think that the Brentford home effort it pretty decent
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Yes the typos keep me hugely entertained on the long journey home - but the programme represents poor value on this criterion compared to TITS
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I don't like to criticise because I know the hard work that must go into it, but I thought last seasons programme was poor. For the first time I began to wonder whether to even bother buying it. The content is severely limited by the small format page size - it makes the layout cramped and uninviting to read and means we don't get to see the wonderful match photos to best effect. Often there was just one small page with several pictures crammed onto it for a single match. We have waited years to get into this division and big games in wonderful stadia against big name opponents get much less pictorial coverage than we have sometimes given in the past to our routine 3rd and 4th tier fixtures. Ludicrously, a youth team match often gets as much pictorial coverage as a first team fixture. These are wonderful days for the club and we should be preserving the record of them for posterity.
Another personal bugbear (sorry!) -would it be possible to trim down the coverage of the youth set up (I guess there would be some particular logic to doing that after the close season structural changes) and the community activities? I know that the latter are very worthy but it's dreadfully dull stuff - does anybody even so much as glance at the coverage, let alone read it? Perhaps instead we could have round ups of the best of the Brentford related social media coverage, an interview with an opposition supporter, more opinion pieces and more in depth player interviews (they have been better in previous seasons but last years were too brief). It would also be good to have regular round ups of the activities of Bees players out on loan and former Bees. The historical content and photos are definitely worth preserving - probably the highlight of last seasons programme.
Another personal bugbear (sorry!) -would it be possible to trim down the coverage of the youth set up (I guess there would be some particular logic to doing that after the close season structural changes) and the community activities? I know that the latter are very worthy but it's dreadfully dull stuff - does anybody even so much as glance at the coverage, let alone read it? Perhaps instead we could have round ups of the best of the Brentford related social media coverage, an interview with an opposition supporter, more opinion pieces and more in depth player interviews (they have been better in previous seasons but last years were too brief). It would also be good to have regular round ups of the activities of Bees players out on loan and former Bees. The historical content and photos are definitely worth preserving - probably the highlight of last seasons programme.
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Only three Watts? You're not very bright!
Sorry, couldn't resist that one.............
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Junior likes to get the players' autographs on his programmes, after games.
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It was fine but £3-50 ?
IMHO in this day and age programmes should be FREE. Anyone who is online will learn zilch from them.
With respect to captains & coaches we know what they will sa,y, always "foorball speak" and is pretty meaningless, regardless of who says it ( probably ghost written anyway).
What the CE0 says we've already read. It's not an outlet that provides exclusives.
I buy them all the time but often read through them and wonder why.
If they were FREE on the turnstiles i daresay the advertising rates etc could be increased.
0ut of date and no value to your average punter in this day and age. IMH0
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Couple of typos aside its the best programme we've ever churned out and no issue with it being 50p more. Does anyone know how many we sell on average per game?
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I used to buy them all the time, and had a collection back to 1964, but stopped buying them in the late 1990's.
When I catch a copy, ever so often I normally find myself skimming through it, as there is no new information in it.
£3.50 seems a bit excessive.
When I catch a copy, ever so often I normally find myself skimming through it, as there is no new information in it.
£3.50 seems a bit excessive.
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The programme price hasn't changed for 10 years? So an extra 50p isn't too bad considering some clubs are £4 now. Not sure if it was the Club or the printer who upped the price? Can't remember now.
As for how many? Around 1800-2000, I think, depends on who the opponents are.
A few new ideas and a little more reading material this year.
It's tough to think of new things to put into an issue to make it fresh and interesting. If more people had ideas or something to offer with an article or two I'm sure the club would be interested.
As for how many? Around 1800-2000, I think, depends on who the opponents are.
A few new ideas and a little more reading material this year.
It's tough to think of new things to put into an issue to make it fresh and interesting. If more people had ideas or something to offer with an article or two I'm sure the club would be interested.