Formula 1 2011

Formula 1 2011

What a joke that restart was. Brundle and DC thought it was race over and precedent seemed to suggest that. Webber seemed perplexed as well.
 

Formula 1 2011

Salford Bee said:
What a joke that restart was. Brundle and DC thought it was race over and precedent seemed to suggest that. Webber seemed perplexed as well.
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What does a red flag mean ?
 

Formula 1 2011

Red Flag stops the session but in in the events I've seen a red flag at a late stage (over 75% of race distance completed) in the race it's always meant race over. 1997 Canadian Grand Prix (lap 54/69). 2003 Brazilian Grand Prix (lap 54/73). Neither of them were restarted. In fact Alonso picked up a third, despite his crash causing the red flag, in Brazil - he should have been penalised for ignoring yellow flags (which led to his crash). In fact that was the first time in F1 history a red flag after 75% had been completed had been restarted. The majority of red flags occur in the opening lap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_red-flagged_Formula_One_races
 

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Your link proves that most red flags do NOT occur on the first lap. Lazy journalism
 

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The opening lap has produced the most red flags - FACT
 

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Salford Bee said:
Red Flag stops the session but in in the events I've seen a red flag at a late stage (over 75% of race distance completed) in the race it's always meant race over. 1997 Canadian Grand Prix (lap 54/69). 2003 Brazilian Grand Prix (lap 54/73). Neither of them were restarted. In fact Alonso picked up a third, despite his crash causing the red flag, in Brazil - he should have been penalised for ignoring yellow flags (which led to his crash). In fact that was the first time in F1 history a red flag after 75% had been completed had been restarted. The majority of red flags occur in the opening lap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_red-flagged_Formula_One_races
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What does a red flag actually mean? From the link you posted, the % complete is used to determine what points are awarded not whether to restart. The decision to restart is purely a safety issue as far as I can see. I agree with Banana, for a journalist you are pretty lazy with your language - even though this is just a messageboard.
 

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I'm no journalist, but I'll share two extremely lazy observations about the state of the 'sport': 1. they make up the rules as they go along (another reason why QPR being robbed of promotion would have been hilarious) and 2. Lewis Hamilton will eventually pack his bags and I wouldn't blame him at all.
 

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Sweepy said:
I'm no journalist, but I'll share two extremely lazy observations about the state of the 'sport': 1. they make up the rules as they go along (another reason why QPR being robbed of promotion would have been hilarious) and 2. Lewis Hamilton will eventually pack his bags and I wouldn't blame him at all.
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Agree with both of those points. There was no need for the race to restart. Most, aside from the usual suspects on here, saw that and it's no surprise to see the stalker davebee coming on this thread just to have a pop. Both drivers from the previous post-75% red flags were taken to hospital and there were tyres that needed to be fixed. It could have been done but they chose not to. The likes of Brundle, DC, Webber all said it was a strange decision and Webber benefited from it, his original crash led to the Brazil 2003 red flag. What was unique about the Brazil GP 2003, in my view the last classic F1 race?

As for point two, it's ridiculous that racers having the bottle to try and overtake get punished. Schumacher didn't get punished when he knocked Hill out in Adelaide 94 - was that deliberate? In my view, yes. Hang on, under today's rules that's probably Hill's fault. That move gave him the DWC ahead of hill. Recognise this attempted overtake? Guess what punishment was given. You guessed it, no penalty. Who won that race? Panis (incidentally whose crash in 97 led to the red flag).
 

Formula 1 2011

Where in the rules does it say the race must be abandoned after a red flag is shown more than 75% through a race? Journalists should at least have a basic grasp of the rules
 

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Brundle when the red flag was thrown: "Vettel is the master of Monaco." Everyone believed it was over because of precedent!
 

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Had the makings of a great race, 6 laps to go, three world champions fighting for first place with less than a second splitting them, Vettels tyres going off and then the red flag allowing to change tyres on the grid.

It ruined, what could have been a great finish.

Can understand why Hamilton is pissed off. Not a good weekend for him.
 

Formula 1 2011

Salford Bee said:
Brundle when the red flag was thrown: "Vettel is the master of Monaco." Everyone believed it was over because of precedent!
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No, Brundle may have thought it was over. The drivers and pit crew didn't. They were all off like a shot to prep for the restart

"everyone" is a slight generalisation for one person don't you think?
 

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Banana said:
No, Brundle may have thought it was over. The drivers and pit crew didn't. They were all off like a shot to prep for the restart

"everyone" is a slight generalisation for one person don't you think?
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Then why did Webber express confusion as to why it was started again? They raised the ten minute board at Adelaide in 1991. They all got ready. Was the race restarted? No. Anyone want to suggest why that race is unique?
They all do that at the end of each session. When the red was thrown they believed it to be over. I stand by what I said, having watched the race, that the race should never have restarted and I bet the Williams and Sauber team agree with me at the very least. Why? Because they lost the most because of the restart.
 
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That's two people then. Let me know when you get to "everyone"
 

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Either way, it was a very sh*t end to what could have been a great race.
 

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JBN said:
I'm not so sure. It prolongs the season and allows a little less free development time for before the start of next season.

It may not be the most exciting circuit in the world, but if you bring into play engine/gearbox changes it may be a small trump card.
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People are suffering there and although it might be off the news now but you can bet some protesters will be planning some action for this race. The teams aren't happy about the shift and I'm not sure India is happy either.
 

Formula 1 2011

feel sorry for anyone that has already arranged travel/accommodation for the Indian GP
 

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Salford Bee said:
People are suffering there and although it might be off the news now but you can bet some protesters will be planning some action for this race. The teams aren't happy about the shift and I'm not sure India is happy either.
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In fairness, I have some very good friends out there. They were not happy with the way it was blown up by the media.

If we are talking about suffering there are plenty of other countries in abusing their population more than Bahrain. There were 12 GPs here under a labour Government. That was suffering.;)
 

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So 21 races for 2012

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/13647582.stm

BAHRAIN - 11 March
AUSTRALIA - 18 March
MALAYSIA - 1 April
CHINA - 8 April
SOUTH KOREA - 22 April
TURKEY* - 6 May
SPAIN - 20 May
MONACO - 27 May
CANADA - 10 June
UNITED STATES - 17 June
VALENCIA, SPAIN - 1 July
BRITAIN - 15 July
GERMANY - 29 July
HUNGARY - 5 August
BELGIUM - 2 September
ITALY - 9 September
SINGAPORE - 30 September
JAPAN - 14 October
INDIA - 28 October
ABU DHABI - 11 November
BRAZIL - 25 November

* Subject to confirmation

Going to be a very congested calendar next year. I remember when they were concerned about it going to 18 races. It brings the return of the US GP. F1 will always be remembered in the US for the most boring race of all time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTg2rUx3xDM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAHsKh97sGo&NR=1
 

Formula 1 2011

So 21 races for 2012

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/13647582.stm

BAHRAIN - 11 March
AUSTRALIA - 18 March
MALAYSIA - 1 April
CHINA - 8 April
SOUTH KOREA - 22 April
TURKEY* - 6 May
SPAIN - 20 May
MONACO - 27 May
CANADA - 10 June
UNITED STATES - 17 June
VALENCIA, SPAIN - 1 July
BRITAIN - 15 July
GERMANY - 29 July
HUNGARY - 5 August
BELGIUM - 2 September
ITALY - 9 September
SINGAPORE - 30 September
JAPAN - 14 October
INDIA - 28 October
ABU DHABI - 11 November
BRAZIL - 25 November

* Subject to confirmation

Going to be a very congested calendar next year. I remember when they were concerned about it going to 18 races. It brings the return of the US GP. F1 will always be remembered in the US for the most boring race of all time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTg2rUx3xDM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAHsKh97sGo&NR=1
 

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JBN said:
In fairness, I have some very good friends out there. They were not happy with the way it was blown up by the media.

If we are talking about suffering there are plenty of other countries in abusing their population more than Bahrain. There were 12 GPs here under a labour Government. That was suffering.;)
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Not sure which other countries on the Grand Prix list are supressing demonstrations by shooting their population...
China maybe, but we dont hear about that so much :suspect:

The current situation in Bahrain seems as abhorent as Libya - a regime clinging onto power, by muderering opposition.
Would you be happy with a GP in Libya ?
 

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SmiffyBee said:
Not sure which other countries on the Grand Prix list are supressing demonstrations by shooting their population...
China maybe, but we dont hear about that so much :suspect:

The current situation in Bahrain seems as abhorent as Libya - a regime clinging onto power, by muderering opposition.
Would you be happy with a GP in Libya ?
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I think you need to get hold of the facts first.

Like I said, I have some very good friends out there who have said it was nowhere near as bad as the media made out. They live about a mile from the square (which is just a big roundabout) so had a pretty good idea what was going on.

A couple of planes chartered to get people out, weren't even half full.

Back to the GP, not the most exciting and as long they don't have a b*llocks finish like the last Monaco GP it should be alright.
 

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What about the "Day of Rage" planned for the date of the GP?
 

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Salford Bee said:
What about the "Day of Rage" planned for the date of the GP?
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Alot can happen between now and the GP. The overly vocal minority may well shut up and go away.

If the problems in Bahrain were that bad, why didn't more of the population join in? When it came down to it, there was a handful of people protesting.
 

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JBN said:
I think you need to get hold of the facts first.

Like I said, I have some very good friends out there who have said it was nowhere near as bad as the media made out. They live about a mile from the square (which is just a big roundabout) so had a pretty good idea what was going on.

A couple of planes chartered to get people out, weren't even half full.,
Back to the GP, not the most exciting and as long they don't have a b*llocks finish like the last Monaco GP it should be alright.
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Perhaps the demonstrators didn't want to leave as they felt strongly about their cause ?
Perhaps the numbers demonstrating are low, due to the risk of being killed ?

The Bahrain Grand Prix won't happen.
The teams won't go, and rightly so.
Time Cameron made a stand against a state that shoots its own people
 

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This, while still speculation, is a potential scenario.

  1. The FOTA teams decide to boycott.
  2. HRT, who aren't a member of FOTA and run by Colin Kolles who ran the Jordan cars in the 2005 US "GP" so has previous, decide to go and claim the 43 points.
  3. Virgin and Lotus would not obtain any money if they finished 11th and 12th, which they would if HRT went alone, would go to claim the points for themselves (Minardi only raced at the 2005 US GP because Jordan were.)
  4. Williams, Toro Rosso and Force India are concerned the three teams could overtake them so go to cover them off.
  5. Sauber, Mercedes and Renault don't want to be overhauled so go to keep those teams behind them.
  6. Ferrari will go because they are Ferrari and screw everyone else
  7. McLaren will go to make sure they're ahead of Ferrari
  8. Red Bull go because Vettel could wrap up the WDC and them the WCC. (They might not bother if they're both won)
 

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Salford Bee said:
This, while still speculation, is a potential scenario.

  1. The FOTA teams decide to boycott.
  2. HRT, who aren't a member of FOTA and run by Colin Kolles who ran the Jordan cars in the 2005 US "GP" so has previous, decide to go and claim the 43 points.
  3. Virgin and Lotus would not obtain any money if they finished 11th and 12th, which they would if HRT went alone, would go to claim the points for themselves (Minardi only raced at the 2005 US GP because Jordan were.)
  4. Williams, Toro Rosso and Force India are concerned the three teams could overtake them so go to cover them off.
  5. Sauber, Mercedes and Renault don't want to be overhauled so go to keep those teams behind them.
  6. Ferrari will go because they are Ferrari and screw everyone else
  7. McLaren will go to make sure they're ahead of Ferrari
  8. Red Bull go because Vettel could wrap up the WDC and them the WCC. (They might not bother if they're both won)
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So what are you trying to say ? :confused:
 

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Salford Bee said:
This, while still speculation, is a potential scenario.

  1. The FOTA teams decide to boycott.
  2. HRT, who aren't a member of FOTA and run by Colin Kolles who ran the Jordan cars in the 2005 US "GP" so has previous, decide to go and claim the 43 points.
  3. Virgin and Lotus would not obtain any money if they finished 11th and 12th, which they would if HRT went alone, would go to claim the points for themselves (Minardi only raced at the 2005 US GP because Jordan were.)
  4. Williams, Toro Rosso and Force India are concerned the three teams could overtake them so go to cover them off.
  5. Sauber, Mercedes and Renault don't want to be overhauled so go to keep those teams behind them.
  6. Ferrari will go because they are Ferrari and screw everyone else
  7. McLaren will go to make sure they're ahead of Ferrari
  8. Red Bull go because Vettel could wrap up the WDC and them the WCC. (They might not bother if they're both won)
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:):sorted:
 

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http://bit.ly/j0Enl2 F1 teams must UNANIMOUSLY approve the calendar changes. If one rejects it then it can't happen.

I'm looking at Mercedes to be at least one who rejects it.
 

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JBN said:
Alot can happen between now and the GP. The overly vocal minority may well shut up and go away.

If the problems in Bahrain were that bad, why didn't more of the population join in? When it came down to it, there was a handful of people protesting.
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Oh no, the old "vocal minority" argument :zzzzz:
 

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JBN said:
When it came down to it, why didn't more ex pats jump on planes and get out for their own safety?
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Because the protests weren't against ex pats perhaps?
 

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D'Ambrosio fails to make the 107% cut off but is allowed to race because he was using a new chassis, replacing the one he broke in practice.

In my view he shouldn't have been allowed to race. One thing if a mechanical issue prevents it or there are changeable conditions in Qualifying. Not if it's driver error
 
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