Formula 1 2011
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wanderer paul
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Come on Jensen. Stick it up the red bulls!!!!
From 21st to 1st. Quality :banana:
From 21st to 1st. Quality :banana:
Sweepy
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Formula 1 2011
What a win by the unmentionable one. In the pits 6 times - last place halfway through. Unbelievable!
And just my opinion, but Vettel had done nothing of note worthy of winning that race all weekend. Totally the right outcome.
And just my opinion, but Vettel had done nothing of note worthy of winning that race all weekend. Totally the right outcome.
Sweepy
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He needs to have a look at himself. A more patient drive would have seen him with a potentially decent finish.
wanderer paul
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The young man is Getting a bit petulant! Needs to realise he's not no.1 There are some good drivers in F1, he's just one of them.
Sweepy
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Formula 1 2011
The young man is Getting a bit petulant! Needs to realise he's not no.1 There are some good drivers in F1, he's just one of them.
It feels like the more he gets hauled before the stewards, the more indignant and stubborn he has become with his driving style.
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Schumacher is back. 
Shame his Mercedes isn't good enough. Sadly the FIA have made it clear if Lewis Hamilton tries to overtake turn in on him and he'll be the one penalised. One in ten overtakes this season has been by Lewis, of course he's going to have a few that don't pay off. He's a racer, racer's race. Just stop trying to sanitise him.
Shame his Mercedes isn't good enough. Sadly the FIA have made it clear if Lewis Hamilton tries to overtake turn in on him and he'll be the one penalised. One in ten overtakes this season has been by Lewis, of course he's going to have a few that don't pay off. He's a racer, racer's race. Just stop trying to sanitise him.westwing
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The stewards made the right decision in deeming the Alonso incident as a racing incident. However they penalised Di Resta for a similar incident. They all were racing incidents in the last two races and none should have been penalised. It seems the difference between racing incident and avoidable accident is whether the driver involved is Lewis Hamilton or Paul Di Resta.
For all those criticising Lewis, he brought F1 back to the big stage in this country with his incredible debut season and the most dramatic of WDC wins - look at the similar threads pre-Hamilton and since he started. I'd watch him race all day, and when I have been there live he's been in a class of one, GP2 at Silverstone in 2006 (he looked a future WDC then) and at Hockenheim in 2008. They were happy to strip him of his win in Spa after a great one lap duel with Raikkonen.
Look at his idol - Ayrton Senna. A racer. He made some worse/more dangerous moves than Hamilton but he is regarded, by his colleagues, as the greatest of all according to an Autosport poll. His move on Prost in Japan 1990 was much more dangerous than any of Hamilton's moves. He still became WDC. To quote Senna after the incident "When there is a gap you either commit yourself as a professional racing driver that is designed to win races or you come second, or you come third or you come and I am not designed to come third fourth or fifth. I race to win and if you no longer go for a gap that exists you are no longer a racing driver."
For all those criticising Lewis, he brought F1 back to the big stage in this country with his incredible debut season and the most dramatic of WDC wins - look at the similar threads pre-Hamilton and since he started. I'd watch him race all day, and when I have been there live he's been in a class of one, GP2 at Silverstone in 2006 (he looked a future WDC then) and at Hockenheim in 2008. They were happy to strip him of his win in Spa after a great one lap duel with Raikkonen.
Look at his idol - Ayrton Senna. A racer. He made some worse/more dangerous moves than Hamilton but he is regarded, by his colleagues, as the greatest of all according to an Autosport poll. His move on Prost in Japan 1990 was much more dangerous than any of Hamilton's moves. He still became WDC. To quote Senna after the incident "When there is a gap you either commit yourself as a professional racing driver that is designed to win races or you come second, or you come third or you come and I am not designed to come third fourth or fifth. I race to win and if you no longer go for a gap that exists you are no longer a racing driver."
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Formula 1 2011
possibly the best F1 grand prix ive seen since monte carlo 96 when oliveir panis won DC second johnny herbert third no one else finshed
wanderer paul
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Di Resta's 'incident' was avoidable. He ran into back of car. Should've been looking. Same with Sutil IIRC. Hamilton races. Expect the other drivers to race too 
some of his recent moves have been terrible. Button is a quality driver and deserved his win, even if Vettell panicked and got one of the last corners wrong, credit where it's due, 21st to 1st in 20 odd laps. Has that been done before??
some of his recent moves have been terrible. Button is a quality driver and deserved his win, even if Vettell panicked and got one of the last corners wrong, credit where it's due, 21st to 1st in 20 odd laps. Has that been done before??
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Di Resta's 'incident' was avoidable. He ran into back of car. Should've been looking. Same with Sutil IIRC. Hamilton races. Expect the other drivers to race too
So what about the incident with the unfortunate Alonso? No different in my view.
I don't think his moves have been terrible. He's been unfortunate in recent times as drivers turn in on him knowing he'll get a penalty if there's contact thanks the stewards. I think he might well have a point.
Massa - He turned in on Hamilton. Schumacher wouldn't have penalised him.
Maldonado - Turned in on Hamilton. He was alongside, but then I expect nothing less from a pay-driver.
Webber - Conditions caused him to slide into him. He accepted it as a racing incident.
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westwing
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Probably but I can't recall when in modern times.
It was a stunning performance, on the list of one of the "greatest" perhaps.
Button does excel though in damp conditions. The key to his win was the extraordinary fast laps he put in in the closing stages after charging through the back of the field. Consistently 1/2 seconds faster than everyone else which takes some doing in those conditions.
wanderer paul
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Salford, Di Resta lost it and came in too fast and was hesitant and got what his driving deserved. As for Alonso, he closed the gap when Button was alongside, 2 cars could've got round there, he closed in on JB. Button then had to change tyres remember so making him 21st in the race. The rest, as we say, made history! 21st to 1st..... Superb.
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Di Resta had to go round for the entire lap with a damaged front wing. If it was Hamilton he would have been penalised - guaranteed. As for the safety car start, if they could start the Moto GP in similar conditions normally they could start the F1 normally. They left the safety car out far too long at the start and restart - the fact D'Ambrosio (who shouldn't have been in the race IMO) felt he could change, illegally it seems, to intermediates before the Safety Car went in says it was out far too long.
davebee
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Formula 1 2011
Do you deliberately refuse to talk about Button? Last to first in 30 laps is unheard of, regardless of things going his way with pit stops, tyre choices etc. Phenomenal. And yet you point blank refuse to give any credit. Somewhat discredits everything else you say really.
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Mr Tree
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lol oh the irony.
"attack the argument not the person" yeah? your inability to discuss Button (or Martin Allen) rationally means I roll my eyes and generally skim over everything you post.
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If you can't say anything nice about someone don't say anything at all.
Look at his post history. It's boring now.
Look at his post history. It's boring now.
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Mr Tree
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but you can, you can! go on, say "well done Jenson for an outstanding drive yesterday" or "i'm surprised, given how sh*t Button usually appears to be (through my ridiculously-biased eyes), that he even stayed on the track, let alone snuck through and won the race
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davebee
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Pots? Kettles? I'll just add you to ignore so I don't feel impelled to try and balance the view you portray. Refusing to even give a passing mention to Button given what he has acheived is truly pathetic, regardless of whether you like the guy or not. If I acheive the equivalent in my chosen profession I will consider my career to have been a success.
Cracking race, really really enjoyed it.
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but you can, you can! go on, say "well done Jenson for an outstanding drive yesterday" or "i'm surprised, given how sh*t Button usually appears to be (through my ridiculously-biased eyes), that he even stayed on the track, let alone snuck through and won the race
The only thing I'll say is he coped well with the inters and dries on the drying circuit.
This is why you don't run across the road:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/13748154.stm
And this is the type of posts I'm talking about the vendetta (apologies for going OT Nana, needed to be said to show the truly pathetic nature of the poster):
NorthamptonBee
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Formula 1 2011
Rugby and F1 are not for me, terrible sports IMO!
However a mate rung me and said I must watch the highlights as it was something special, I gave it one eye and began to give it two as it became clearer that he might just win it, I kept thinking it would be an unlucky non-podium finish but to win it was amazing. Peeps are telling me it was the greatest drive ever, maybe they are right but I won't watch another one.
I always think there is a moment in every sport that can make the non-fans sit up and take notice, I doubt I'll ever find one in rugby if a World Cup win wasn't even watched but I enjoyed that yesterday.
However a mate rung me and said I must watch the highlights as it was something special, I gave it one eye and began to give it two as it became clearer that he might just win it, I kept thinking it would be an unlucky non-podium finish but to win it was amazing. Peeps are telling me it was the greatest drive ever, maybe they are right but I won't watch another one.
I always think there is a moment in every sport that can make the non-fans sit up and take notice, I doubt I'll ever find one in rugby if a World Cup win wasn't even watched but I enjoyed that yesterday.
Mr Tree
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Formula 1 2011
you deserve having vendettae (surely the plural) against you with the amount of forthright nonsense you write on here
...is this a new policy you're adopting? cos you used to vomit bile on here about Jenson, Martin Allen and many others...
davebee
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Formula 1 2011
No vendetta, and no personal offence meant. Will send you a PM to square things up in private.
I still disagree with most of what you write though.
And Tree, thanks for sticking up for me!
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The highlights were infinitely easier to watch though, although I did get other things done during the two hour red flag. Nothing comes close to Senna at Donington in my view. This was special.
Yes. My opinions of them haven't changed but then I wouldn't wish that they were hung unlike certain others on here. If you look back though the thread I've barely given an opinion on him. I think the only thing I said was the penalty in Melbourne was an open and shut case (which it was).
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The thing is you set yourself up as an 'expert' on F1 & then resolutely refuse to mention one of the leading drivers.
I think it's a puzzling stance, you can't deny it makes you look somewhat daft - others would probably put it in stronger terms :shrug:
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I have been watching F1 since James Hunt and Hesketh Racing set the racing world alight with their own brand of fun and style .
Although Button and Hunt are as different people as you could get ( apart from being over 6ft, blonde, English and media stars) in a racing car there are some similiarities and yesterday's performance by JB was reminiscent of the sort of drive Hunt would have had and what made him such a legend, the post match interview and nonchalence was also very James Hunt.
To think now that Ryan Giggs of all people got Sports Personality of the year over JB.....
Although Button and Hunt are as different people as you could get ( apart from being over 6ft, blonde, English and media stars) in a racing car there are some similiarities and yesterday's performance by JB was reminiscent of the sort of drive Hunt would have had and what made him such a legend, the post match interview and nonchalence was also very James Hunt.
To think now that Ryan Giggs of all people got Sports Personality of the year over JB.....
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I'm a massive fan of the sport - I was watching F1 before I was watching football. I get up at stupid o'clock to watch the races and regularly watch free-practice even. I only get one magazine - F1 Racing, which I read cover to cover. I love watching my favourite races where I can. I enjoy watching proper racers like Hamilton, Alonso, Kobayashi, and Schumacher (post-comeback as he isn't a minute ahead) - they're the most entertaining to watch. I used to love the likes of Minardi scrapping at the back of the grid giving young racers a chance on merit, not because they have a bit of cash. I wish there was a Minardi still on the grid today. I know a lot about the ins and outs of the sport but I'm not paid to do it so I don't consider myself an expert. I have my opinions on all the drivers/teams (I've regularly criticised Virgin and Hispania for being crap, employing pay-drivers and not getting better). Riccardio, Senna, Grosjean, Hulkenberg, and Chandhok are all better than the likes of D'Ambrosio, Maldonado, and Karthikeyan but the three with drives have far more funds to bring.
It's not a puzzling stance - it's quite a simple one. I don't like him and I never have done and I couldn't be bothered to go into all this again for the third season running. Look at post three of this thread - I can't be bothered to go round in circles on this issue so I decided to say absolutely nothing because even if I say, factually during a race, that he got a drive-through penalty I get others saying that's my favourite moment. That's my stance and I'm sticking to it, despite the repeated attempts from a variety of posters to have personal attacks to try and provoke it. So in closing, I'm not going to discuss him at all because I can't be bothered with all this.
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Good Post
I think that puts this issue to bed. (except for the fact that Button should be in the list of Salford's proper racers club)
Button won and is now leading the battle for 2nd place.
edit - just spotted who posted post number 3 of this thread---it's all my fault !
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davebee
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good post. remember that acknowledging/respecting somebody's achievements is not the same as liking someone...
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I'm still trying to figure out how Button managed to win. All the safety car incidents played in Vettels hands. If he had a 'normal' strategy, he would have won by about an hour. After he got round Webber and the cheating German barsteward, there were only a hand full of laps left and they still finished 12 or 13 seconds behind. Like him or not, it was an incredible drive and did my fantasy F1 a bit of good.
I hope Hamilton gets it together for the next race, he does need to think a bit more but not calm down.
Good to see Vettel get rattled.
I hope Hamilton gets it together for the next race, he does need to think a bit more but not calm down.
Good to see Vettel get rattled.
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So do I - Hamilton is a box office driver who makes passes where others wouldn't dare - until I see anyone try and overtake going into Maggots/Becketts I will keep this view. Sadly I think Monaco set a precedent that drivers know they can turn in on Hamilton and he'll be penalised. The more that happens, the more sanitised he'll become, which is a great shame in my view. I think he'd have been penalised if he'd hit Alonso. Problem is, Kobayashi's blitz aside, Valencia doesn't produce good racing. The only thing it's remembered for is the Mark Webber horror crash last year.
As for Schumacher, I was, for the first time in my life, hoping for a Schumacher victory but it wasn't to be. I got fed up with him winning by a mile and his controversial moves and cheered when the Ferrari broke down - I wouldn't wish injury or death on him or anyone else for that matter, that's vile. I was there when he broke his leg at Silverstone and it was a shock, although not how I remember the race. I cycled around the circuit that year, and it was weird coming to the point of the crash at Stowe corner. 2002 and 2004 were the worst seasons, racing wise, for F1 IMO. Worse seasons involved deaths of drivers. The only highlight in those years, in my opinion, was Monaco in 2002. I wouldn't mind a Schumacher victory before the season was out.
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Got it now, someone scores a hat-trick yet Brentford have drawn 0-0 as you can't bring yourselve to mention his name. Get a life.
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I can almost understand where you're coming from, but then reality kicks in and I realise it is Schumacher.
It would have made a massive change from the past two seasons. Fortunatly or unfortunatly, although a gifted driver, he doesn't have the equipment and I don't think he has the edge he used too.