Igor Thiago

Igor Thiago

bexleybee said:
I don't recall any other players prior to him being quite as overt about showing his religious faith in his celebration. Always credits his belief for his achievements. No judgment at all, just something i dont recall seeing for us before. Obviously a big thing for him
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Maybe not at Brentford. I've always thought it best to keep an open mind on.... well pretty much everything . That way you can consider every perspective. If it works for I. T. long may it continue.
 

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Infatuated Bees Alter Ego said:
Monday Night Club on BBC Iplayer now, will be discussing Thiago later and during the show.
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Tim Vickory, South American Football 'expert' was discussing Thiago's chances of playing the number 9 with Brazil.
According to this 'expert', it's not likely to happen, whilst with us
 

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WarrenBee said:
To be fair to Tim Vickery, he really knows his stuff when it come to South American football, and what he said made perfect sense to me.
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If you dig back to the Monday Night Club, about 20:25, Tim Vickery is complementary about Igor yet highlights why he will struggle to get into the Brazil squad (“Climb Everest the hard way “). It is worth a listen to understand the Brazilian footballing public and their ‘Teams like…..’ mentality to the Brazil squad. With this outlook, you can see why Brazil are unlikely to win anything in the near future.
 

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wibs said:
Say what you like about Thiago, there's no doubt he frigging loves the Lord Jesus!
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Understand that it’s what he wants to do with his trademark “not me, him” but he does need to remember to give himself some credit for his goal scoring exploits too. 🙂
 

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wibs said:
Say what you like about Thiago, there's no doubt he frigging loves the Lord Jesus!
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A growing band at the club....
Carvalho and Nelson amongst others recently demonstrating similar traits.....
 

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Ghost said:
Understand that it’s what he wants to do with his trademark “not me, him” but he does need to remember to give himself some credit for his goal scoring exploits too. 🙂
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I think Doku did it too on Sunday, maybe it's a thing
 

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Jim Rourke said:
If you dig back to the Monday Night Club, about 20:25, Tim Vickery is complementary about Igor yet highlights why he will struggle to get into the Brazil squad (“Climb Everest the hard way “). It is worth a listen to understand the Brazilian footballing public and their ‘Teams like…..’ mentality to the Brazil squad. With this outlook, you can see why Brazil are unlikely to win anything in the near future.
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I’d have thought Ancellotti would have his own ideas, though. He’s managed Chelsea (who hasn’t?) and Everton in the past, so knows how hard the PL is.
Igor has out scored all of the other candidates so far this season, so he should at least check him out, even if not calling him up yet.
 

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It must be difficult to manage one of these nations when the players are scattered all over the place.
 

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JANORAK said:
I’d have thought Ancellotti would have his own ideas, though. He’s managed Chelsea (who hasn’t?) and Everton in the past, so knows how hard the PL is.
Igor has out scored all of the other candidates so far this season, so he should at least check him out, even if not calling him up yet.
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Interesting about Ancellotti when asked to describe his job, answer was ‘Keep the President happy!’

Sounds like picking Igor (and a number of other creditable names) would cause a massive public outcry.

Similar with Joao Pedro when he was at Brighton. When he moved and played (very well) for Chelsea his picking become acceptable 🙄
 

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bexleybee said:
I don't recall any other players prior to him being quite as overt about showing his religious faith in his celebration. Always credits his belief for his achievements. No judgment at all, just something i dont recall seeing for us before. Obviously a big thing for him
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You mean you don't remember the idiot Leeds player crawling the whole way across our pitch looking to the heavens?!

Quite a few palace players last season too after their cup win iirc, eze especially, unless you're talking about Brentford specifically ofcourse
 

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Infatuated Bees Alter Ego said:
Tim Vickory, South American Football 'expert' was discussing Thiago's chances of playing the number 9 with Brazil.
According to this 'expert', it's not likely to happen, whilst with us
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That last paragraph just sums it up. You would have thought that by now (5 seasons in the PL) we would have moved away from this crap. Its Rico Henry all over again. The dinosaurs are rife in football, so much wrong with this game.
 

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Kingston Bee said:
That last paragraph just sums it up. You would have thought that by now (5 seasons in the PL) we would have moved away from this crap. Its Rico Henry all over again. The dinosaurs are rife in football, so much wrong with this game.
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If the selection list needs to be vetted by old men in suits, then it’ll be stuffed with safe big-name, big-club players.
 

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Kingston Bee said:
That last paragraph just sums it up. You would have thought that by now (5 seasons in the PL) we would have moved away from this crap. Its Rico Henry all over again. The dinosaurs are rife in football, so much wrong with this game.
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Not really sure it's dinosaurs as such as Tim Vickery is pretty good it was more that is what it's like in Brazil that basically if you've never played at home or dont play for a massive club in Europe fighting for titles you've got no chance of playing for Brazil
 

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hanworthbee said:
Not really sure it's dinosaurs as such as Tim Vickery is pretty good it was more that is what it's like in Brazil that basically if you've never played at home or dont play for a massive club in Europe fighting for titles you've got no chance of playing for Brazil
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I wasnt referring to Tim Vickery who was just stating the facts and how it will probably play out. My point was that this crap still exists in football as to how these decisions are made.
 

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gbems92 said:
You mean you don't remember the idiot Leeds player crawling the whole way across our pitch looking to the heavens?!

Quite a few palace players last season too after their cup win iirc, eze especially, unless you're talking about Brentford specifically ofcourse
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The latter was what i'm driving at.
 

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Kingston Bee said:
That last paragraph just sums it up. You would have thought that by now (5 seasons in the PL) we would have moved away from this crap. Its Rico Henry all over again. The dinosaurs are rife in football, so much wrong with this game.
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They have no problem picking Bournemouth players now, it was more Southgate being a nob head and picking his right footed mates then it was about Rico playing for us, then his injury put him out the picture.
 

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hanworthbee said:
Not really sure it's dinosaurs as such as Tim Vickery is pretty good it was more that is what it's like in Brazil that basically if you've never played at home or dont play for a massive club in Europe fighting for titles you've got no chance of playing for Brazil
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On the other hand he may not play for a so called BIG club, but he is scoring his goals against BIG clubs
 

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hanworthbee said:
Was a good listen. On this link it's around 24:30 Monday Night Club: Xhaka reborn & from Bricklayer to Brazil

Looks like a call up for Igor is next to impossible but if he scores 30 goals this season it'll surely be hard to ignore him
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I listened to the Igor portion and then the twitter scout Felix. I was shaking my head listening to the South American football expert when he was talking about the importance of a player playing for a big club to be considered acceptable to the Brazilian media and public, FFS although we are small in relation to the Premier League big 6 we are rated around 20th in the Opta world ratings.
As regards to Felix he mentioned he watches five full games to assess a player, but sometimes with a forward only when they touch the ball. What?! How about his movement off the ball when his team in possession, what about his tracking back, marking players, cutting off passing lanes when his team out of possession?
 

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mhead bee said:
They have no problem picking Bournemouth players now, it was more Southgate being a nob head and picking his right footed mates then it was about Rico playing for us, then his injury put him out the picture.
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As much as we like to think that, it's not the case. It was purely on ability, particularly the lack of quality in forward play. You've got to remember that England expect to dominate 90% of the games they play so a full back's attacking impact is considered to be as important as their defending.
 

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mhead bee said:
They have no problem picking Bournemouth players now, it was more Southgate being a nob head and picking his right footed mates then it was about Rico playing for us, then his injury put him out the picture.
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Southgate also pushed the loyalty card time and again. Now that in itself is no bad thing until it starts clouding decisions concerning the selection of players, especially those in form. What this meant to Southgate was if you were a member of his club (were being routinely selected) he would look to play first, even though out of position. So often players on the outside in the form of their life got overlooked, or not given a fair crack, especially so if they came from teams like Brentford. Toney being another example. Its rubbish of the highest order, thank god Southgate is history.
 

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Les Beeavinu said:
As much as we like to think that, it's not the case. It was purely on ability, particularly the lack of quality in forward play. You've got to remember that England expect to dominate 90% of the games they play so a full back's attacking impact is considered to be as important as their defending.
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If Thiago scores 20+ goals the next few seasons, picking players like Richarlison is going to look totally bonkers. Really speaks to the weird establishment mindsets of some fans/organisations that a degree of their thinking isn't "will this help us win?" instead "how will this look?" and probably contributes a lot to why they've not won a world cup in 20 years despite being the self-crowned kings of football. I hope Southgate didn't have that mindset, but who knows what goes on subconsiously.

At the end of the day, every fan wants to see their team's players representing their country, you can tell by the comments underneath every England squad announcement.

Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Forest, Brighton, Brentford fans... all apparently have an incredible unsung player that didn't get picked because their club isn't sexy enough. A lot of the time the reason is probably because the manager thinks there's someone better, or they don't fit into their playing style or whatever.

With Rico I think this was probably the case. His attacking output has always been the weakest part of his game, and next to players like Hickey and even KLP he doesn't look as "natural" a footballer. I think a lot on here have very rose-tinted goggles when it comes to Rico -- I suggested he wasn't in the top 20 left backs in europe on here a while back, which of course went down like a lead balloon.
 

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wibs said:
I think Doku did it too on Sunday, maybe it's a thing
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It's the trend among influencers targeting young men...and footballers are rife for that kind of thing.

Personally, if someone feels their life is better for having a bit of Jesus in it, all for them. So long as they don't start dictating what others can or can't do.
 

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Kingston Bee said:
That last paragraph just sums it up. You would have thought that by now (5 seasons in the PL) we would have moved away from this crap. Its Rico Henry all over again. The dinosaurs are rife in football, so much wrong with this game.
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Long may the footballing dinosaurs survive. We profit from them being so slow and dimwitted.
 

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stomalomalus said:
It's the trend among influencers targeting young men...and footballers are rife for that kind of thing.

Personally, if someone feels their life is better for having a bit of Jesus in it, all for them. So long as they don't start dictating what others can or can't do.
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Religion and politics - 2 topics best avoided
 

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Infatuated Bees Alter Ego said:
Tim Vickory, South American Football 'expert' was discussing Thiago's chances of playing the number 9 with Brazil.
According to this 'expert', it's not likely to happen, whilst with us
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Your loss if you're overlooking one of the best football journalists out there. And Brazil's loss if they use such silly factors to select their players. But ultimately, if he has the summer off, that's probably to Brentford's benefit.
 

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mhead bee said:
They have no problem picking Bournemouth players now, it was more Southgate being a nob head and picking his right footed mates then it was about Rico playing for us, then his injury put him out the picture.
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The journo did say that evanilson also has zero chance of being called up
 

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Kingston Bee said:
That last paragraph just sums it up. You would have thought that by now (5 seasons in the PL) we would have moved away from this crap. Its Rico Henry all over again. The dinosaurs are rife in football, so much wrong with this game.
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And long may it continue. It’s the reason why we are able to do what we do in terms of recruitment and selling. Many people still can’t get their heads around how we operate and underestimate us. Even recent pieces by supposedly serious news outlets on Igor seem bemused that we are able to produce striker after striker, stating it started with Toney and then Mbeumo. Completely ignoring Gray, Hogan, Maupay, Watkins.
 

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Ken_Hom's_Wok said:
And long may it continue. It’s the reason why we are able to do what we do in terms of recruitment and selling. Many people still can’t get their heads around how we operate and underestimate us. Even recent pieces by supposedly serious news outlets on Igor seem bemused that we are able to produce striker after striker, stating it started with Toney and then Mbeumo. Completely ignoring Gray, Hogan, Maupay, Watkins.
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Very true i dont disagree at all. But because we are Brentford and not Manure or Citeh or Arsenal we pay for it in other ways. But i guess its part of the territory and in many ways as you say its doing us a big service. Long live the dinosaurs!
 

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Ken_Hom's_Wok said:
And long may it continue. It’s the reason why we are able to do what we do in terms of recruitment and selling. Many people still can’t get their heads around how we operate and underestimate us. Even recent pieces by supposedly serious news outlets on Igor seem bemused that we are able to produce striker after striker, stating it started with Toney and then Mbeumo. Completely ignoring Gray, Hogan, Maupay, Watkins.
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Not to mention holdsworth and jones
 

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Don’t know if it’s been mentioned elsewhere but the interweb tells me that the most goals scored by a Brazilian in a single PL season is 15.

Igor is more than half way there there with 27 games still to play. If he manages 20 goals this season it would be batshit crazy to ignore that and at should merit being in the WC squad as an absolute minimum.
 

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From his impact in the pre-season at Wimbledon last season it was obvious we have got a natural finisher who can score goals. Last season was a travisty with his injury.

But boy he is making up for it this season. Did I expect him to score so many this season already? No. Did I expect his outside the box play to develop so quickly? No. Do I think our recruitment team played a blinder getting him? Absolutely. Can I see him breaking number of goals scored by a Bees player in a season? Yes.
 

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Untouchable said:
Don’t know if it’s been mentioned elsewhere but the interweb tells me that the most goals scored by a Brazilian in a single PL season is 15.

Igor is more than half way there there with 27 games still to play. If he manages 20 goals this season it would be batshit crazy to ignore that and at should merit being in the WC squad as an absolute minimum.
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If he scores 20 league goals he will go to WC. That would be incredible.
 

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stomalomalus said:
It's the trend among influencers targeting young men...and footballers are rife for that kind of thing.

Personally, if someone feels their life is better for having a bit of Jesus in it, all for them. So long as they don't start dictating what others can or can't do.
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I think because as a nation until fairly recently we weren’t big on sincere public displays of Christian faith beyond scoffing Easter Eggs and Christmas Dinner the South Americans and others from rather different traditions stand out. The influencers have tapped into this but even the egregious Raphinha knee walk was likely not to have been motivated by clicks.

Albeit more quietly, I thought JDS’s brief comments in preseason about how important faith was to him were telling. It’s quite interesting that this seems to be on the up at the same time as the upper reaches of the game become more heavily influenced by science and data.
 

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AB said:
I think because as a nation until fairly recently we weren’t big on sincere public displays of Christian faith beyond scoffing Easter Eggs and Christmas Dinner the South Americans and others from rather different traditions stand out. The influencers have tapped into this but even the egregious Raphinha knee walk was likely not to have been motivated by clicks.

Albeit more quietly, I thought JDS’s brief comments in preseason about how important faith was to him were telling. It’s quite interesting that this seems to be on the up at the same time as the upper reaches of the game become more heavily influenced by science and data.
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I didn't mean sports/football influencers, but rather the influencers targeting young men in general. Footballers are the perfect demographic for their content, as shown by Haaland's emergence as a kind of stereotype, lol.
 

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Leonardo said:
From his impact in the pre-season at Wimbledon last season it was obvious we have got a natural finisher who can score goals. Last season was a travisty with his injury.

But boy he is making up for it this season. Did I expect him to score so many this season already? No. Did I expect his outside the box play to develop so quickly? No. Do I think our recruitment team played a blinder getting him? Absolutely. Can I see him breaking number of goals scored by a Bees player in a season? Yes.
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Breaking the premier record definitely, but in other news, football existed before the last 5 seasons, so all time record? Not a chance.
 

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Leonardo said:
From his impact in the pre-season at Wimbledon last season it was obvious we have got a natural finisher who can score goals. Last season was a travisty with his injury.

But boy he is making up for it this season. Did I expect him to score so many this season already? No. Did I expect his outside the box play to develop so quickly? No. Do I think our recruitment team played a blinder getting him? Absolutely. Can I see him breaking number of goals scored by a Bees player in a season? Yes.
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You are surely correct but as was said by Tim vickery whilst igor is with us he basically has no chance of making the brazil squad
 

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hanworthbee said:
You are surely correct but as was said by Tim vickery whilst igor is with us he basically has no chance of making the brazil squad
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Their loss. While it’d be another exciting turn for us to go from being excited at New Zealand and Malta caps to England and Brazil ones, I’m happy with him not flying off to South America every international break. When he moves on, after he’s won the Ballon d’Or following our CL victory we can get a Brazil add on too.
 

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hanworthbee said:
You are surely correct but as was said by Tim vickery whilst igor is with us he basically has no chance of making the brazil squad
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Igor Jesus from Nottingham Forest keeps getting caps for them and he is yet to score a premier league goal....
Surely IT is a better bet up front for the national team than the likes of richarlison, Martinelli etc
 
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