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[Banana]

Season ticket and members with whatever required TAPS is for aways on sale at same time ? As in no distinction between st and members as long as they have enough TAPS

That's what I reckon is "fair". One criteria. No need for more than one criteria. Esp when that criterium is called "Ticket Access Points".

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

How about we start again and go: "we need a why for fans to access tickets in a fair and equitable way. How do we achieve that?" - the answer isn't "give those that buy a particular ticket to home games absolute priority over everyone else"

Fair and no argument from me.

I'm still unhappy about losing my points etc which clouds my overall perspective. I'll get over it.

And yes ST holders shouldn't have an absolute right.

But I'm with @rebus on an element of this, ST holders are there through thick and thin, doesnt give them rights, but they commit each season, through thick and thin, promotions and relegations. I love that we are attracting loads of new fans young an old.......... But and IMO there is a big but. We have only known good times for 15 years. Lets see what happens if god forbid we face a downturn in fortunes.................. One thing is for certain, the ST holders who i suspect you reference and many others like them will be here. I hope the newer ones and members will be as well. And if a small percentage are then great, and the good times were worth it.

But i bet you one thing ................................. I would wager that a good number of them wont be. I suspect we would fall back under the 10K fans very quickly.

That IMO and i guess how Rebus feels is why ST holders are important. The more they are chipped away at the less likely they are to give a fek in the long term. Trust me im not as long in the tooth as some on here, but my passion has dipped a little.

Just my opinion mate.

Away game at Arsenal in the league tomorrow (who would have thought we could say that many moons ago). I hope to see many ST holders and members long term and new, young and old there.

The whole debate isnt needed. As this thread shows there is never an issue for tickets if you really want one.

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

Season ticket and members with whatever required TAPS is for aways on sale at same time ? As in no distinction between st and members as long as they have enough TAPS

In a perfect world mate. Yes its logical.

But i guess the ST first element is that little perk given for that commitment at the start. ?‍

 

[Banana]

But I'm with @rebus on an element of this, ST holders are there through thick and thin, doesnt give them rights, but they commit each season, through thick and thin, promotions and relegations.

Just one point from me on this. We didn't have 11,000 STHers in Leauge One. So the vast, vast majority of STHers have not seen us through thin and thinner, mid-table finish after mid-table finish. 8-9,000 of them did not have a ST at GP.

Edit: I think you made the same point.

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

Just one point from me on this. We didn't have 11,000 STHers in Leauge One. So the vast, vast majority of STHers have not seen us through thin and thinner, mid-table finish after mid-table finish. 8-9,000 of them did not have a ST at GP.

Edit: I think you made the same point.

Yes i did mate

And we didnt have 30,000 members back then either.

Hence my thoughts about it not really being a problem for little old Brentford. Its only a drama for a couple of games here and there.

 

[westendbee]

Allowing members equal access to STHs for away games will give rise to more “home fans in away areas” especially at Anfield IMHO

 

[nick logan]

Allowing members equal access to STHs for away games will give rise to more “home fans in away areas” especially at Anfield IMHO

No it won’t as they will still need the TAPS number of 1500 or whatever it is

 

[aslan]

Allowing members equal access to STHs for away games will give rise to more “home fans in away areas” especially at Anfield IMHO

Hardly. There will be very few members in upper TAPs bracket. If anything it takes them more effort to get to that point. Realistically it will make very little difference to STH and a massive difference to members with a big Brentford history

 

[Banana]

Allowing members equal access to STHs for away games will give rise to more “home fans in away areas” especially at Anfield IMHO

That only happened because it went to "all members" or as good as.

This way high Tapping members can make earlier plans to go and exclude "home fans in away areas"

 

[westendbee]

Hardly. There will be very few members in upper TAPs bracket. If anything it takes them more effort to get to that point. Realistically it will make very little difference to STH and a massive difference to members with a big Brentford history

So what’s the point in changing things to benefit say 10 people who can’t be bothered to buy a season ticket but apparently are the biggest bestest Brentford fans you’ll ever meet?

 

[Broadland Bee]

Is this the Ipswich ticket thread? If so +2 from North Norfolk.

 

[Banana]

So what’s the point in changing things to benefit say 10 people who can’t be bothered to buy a season ticket but apparently are the biggest bestest Brentford fans you’ll ever meet?

What's the point in excluding them and placing them behind 11,000 people, the vast, vast majority have never been to an away game outside London or attended more than 5 games at Griffin Park

 

[TorbayBee]

Why is there such malevolence towards Season Ticket holders who do not go to lots of away games? Everybody who want wants a ticket for an away game can, in general, get one and season ticket holders have to put their seat on the exchange if they cannot attend home games. It all feels like manufacturing an issue because we are very lucky to not have anything of substance to moan/worry about (in football terms).

 

[N5022N122]

Not being a ST holder does not imply a regular. Back then the financial benefit was minimal to paying on the day especially if you missed 1 or 2 games per season. Also they did 10 game tickets too which would have made any saving of a ST less attractive. Also it was only in the last season or two that getting a seat in a particular position or even a ticket would be a challenge for a member. I was in this situation and did not get a ST until the last season at GP.

 

[Houghton Bee]

Why is there such malevolence towards Season Ticket holders who do not go to lots of away games? Everybody who want wants a ticket for an away game can, in general, get one and season ticket holders have to put their seat on the exchange if they cannot attend home games. It all feels like manufacturing an issue because we are very lucky to not have anything of substance to moan/worry about (in football terms).

Because if we dont sell all the tickets 25 mins before they go on sale we're at risk of social media ridicule for being a small club from a 35 year old virgin internet edgelord from Benin, iirc.

 

[aslan]

So what’s the point in changing things to benefit say 10 people who can’t be bothered to buy a season ticket but apparently are the biggest bestest Brentford fans you’ll ever meet?

What a strange reply.
So you don't think someone who's been a Brentford fan for yonks and has, say, 4000 taps should be at the back of the queue behind a STH with around 1500 taps? I think you'll find for most members in this situation "can't be bothered" is far from the reason they don't be a ST. That last little bit is proper childish.

 

[horshambees]

Talk about a thread going off topic.

Has it sold out yet ?

 

[Griffingreen]

Season ticket and members with whatever required TAPS is for aways on sale at same time ? As in no distinction between st and members as long as they have enough TAPS

Seeing how many STH's don't seem to do aways I think this is an obvious solution

 

[westendbee]

What a strange reply.
So you don't think someone who's been a Brentford fan for yonks and has, say, 4000 taps should be at the back of the queue behind a STH with around 1500 taps? I think you'll find for most members in this situation "can't be bothered" is far from the reason they don't be a ST. That last little bit is proper childish.

Do we actually have any members who have 4,000 TAPs but don’t have a season ticket, despite the fact that they would be top of the entitlement to purchase one whenever there is any STH churn, and the club has a scheme to spread payments over the year so any potential financial stress is eased?

or is this just an extreme argument put forward in an attempt to legitimise the general concept that members should have the same ticket access rights as season ticket holders?

 

[rebus]

Talk about a thread going off topic.

Has it sold out yet ?

Latest sitrep. 200 or so left.

 

[westendbee]

What's the point in excluding them and placing them behind 11,000 people, the vast, vast majority have never been to an away game outside London or attended more than 5 games at Griffin Park

That’s just the sort of wild assertion which would be the subject of acute GPG forensic analysis had anyone else made it …

 

[rebus]

That’s just the sort of wild assertion which would be the subject of acute GPG forensic analysis had anyone else made it …

Yep. But don’t forget he’s part of the away ticket working group at the club so will have access to some sort of data. Even if that statement is true, season ticket holders do deserve some perks.

 

[kaebess]

Fair and no argument from me.

I'm still unhappy about losing my points etc which clouds my overall perspective. I'll get over it.

And yes ST holders shouldn't have an absolute right.

But I'm with @rebus on an element of this, ST holders are there through thick and thin, doesnt give them rights, but they commit each season, through thick and thin, promotions and relegations. I love that we are attracting loads of new fans young an old.......... But and IMO there is a big but. We have only known good times for 15 years. Lets see what happens if god forbid we face a downturn in fortunes.................. One thing is for certain, the ST holders who i suspect you reference and many others like them will be here. I hope the newer ones and members will be as well. And if a small percentage are then great, and the good times were worth it.

But i bet you one thing ................................. I would wager that a good number of them wont be. I suspect we would fall back under the 10K fans very quickly.

That IMO and i guess how Rebus feels is why ST holders are important. The more they are chipped away at the less likely they are to give a fek in the long term. Trust me im not as long in the tooth as some on here, but my passion has dipped a little.

Just my opinion mate.

Away game at Arsenal in the league tomorrow (who would have thought we could say that many moons ago). I hope to see many ST holders and members long term and new, young and old there.

The whole debate isnt needed. As this thread shows there is never an issue for tickets if you really want one.

Isleworth, I agree with your sentiments from an historical perspective but if the worst was to happen I think there are a few points that would affect crowds going forward from that point.

If we were to go down to the championship. We would be towards the to of the league. With our set up we would not lose all our players. Winner are griners. People would be entertained.

New ground for lots of always. Could expand this to 3000 ? There are some clubs there that have a good away following. To tighten the tickets for the not so regular bees supporters to get them to commit earlier to buying tickets.

Some members would get the chance to attend many more games, with the chance to get the right to a season ticket if we went up.

Where I do agree is that if this was 2 or 3 years in and we were performing like Stoke or Hull. Then yes number will slip.

 

[aslan]

Yep. But don’t forget he’s part of the away ticket working group at the club so will have access to some sort of data. Even if that statement is true, season ticket holders do deserve some perks.

Because gaurenteeing the same seat for the season, for half the price isn't enough of a perk ?

 

[rebus]

Because gaurenteeing the same seat for the season, for half the price isn't enough of a perk ?

No. It isn’t.

 

[Griffingreen]

Yep. But don’t forget he’s part of the away ticket working group at the club so will have access to some sort of data. Even if that statement is true, season ticket holders do deserve some perks.

Discount to home games?

 

[TorbayBee]

For context I think the article on today’s Guardian would be helpful ( sorry not sure how to make a link). It basically highlights the aggressive strategy of many clubs to sideline season ticket holders. It quotes a professor of sports finance saying for many clubs season ticket holders are essentially bed blockers to selling corporate packages and are treated as such. These clubs could sell all the seats to different people every week. They do not need long term fans, not only that they actually see them as a problem.
For now I think we are doing OK.
Anyway , how many tickets are left now? I cannot understand that with all the thousands of truly dedicated long term fan members clamouring for away tickets we cannot sell the remains 200 seats in 10 minutes?

 

[rebus]

Discount to home games?

Committed to pay with zero knowledge of how the season will pan out. Members are able to duck out.

I’m sorry, this bashing of season ticket holders needs to simmer down. We will be back in the championship one day and this group is our core support.

 

[rebus]

For context I think the article on today’s Guardian would be helpful ( sorry not sure how to make a link). It basically highlights the aggressive strategy of many clubs to sideline season ticket holders. It quotes a professor of sports finance saying for many clubs season ticket holders are essentially bed blockers to selling corporate packages and are treated as such. These clubs could sell all the seats to different people every week. They do not need long term fans, not only that they actually see them as a problem.
For now I think we are doing OK.
Anyway , how many tickets are left now? I cannot understand that with all the thousands of truly dedicated long term fan members clamouring for away tickets we cannot sell the remains 200 seats in 10 minutes?

Parasites and premium prices: the grim growth of ticket resellers

Clubs are moving on from the ‘circus’ business model but long-term fans are in danger of being squeezed out

www.theguardian.com

“Liverpool gave a clear indication of their attitude to long-term fans last year, when the opening of a redeveloped Anfield Road Stand boosted the stadium’s capacity by 7,000.

“Their season-ticket waiting list runs very comfortably into five figures, and is so unwieldy it has been closed since 2017; some people have been on it for more than a quarter of a century, patiently waiting their turn.

“For most, this was not it: they got only 1,000 of the new tickets, the rest earmarked for occasional or one-off visitors.”

 

[TorbayBee]

Parasites and premium prices: the grim growth of ticket resellers

Clubs are moving on from the ‘circus’ business model but long-term fans are in danger of being squeezed out

www.theguardian.com

“Liverpool gave a clear indication of their attitude to long-term fans last year, when the opening of a redeveloped Anfield Road Stand boosted the stadium’s capacity by 7,000.

“Their season-ticket waiting list runs very comfortably into five figures, and is so unwieldy it has been closed since 2017; some people have been on it for more than a quarter of a century, patiently waiting their turn.

“For most, this was not it: they got only 1,000 of the new tickets, the rest earmarked for occasional or one-off visitors.”

Thanks , yes that’s the one.

 

[aslan]

Committed to pay with zero knowledge of how the season will pan out. Members are able to duck out.

I’m sorry, this bashing of season ticket holders needs to simmer down. We will be back in the championship one day and this group is our core support.

Or you can "duck out", put your ticket on the exchange and get your money refunded if you wish. I don't see how it's bashing STH either.
At the very minimum there needs to be some distinction between high TAP members vs low TAP members.

 

[rebus]

Or you can "duck out", put your ticket on the exchange and get your money refunded if you wish. I don't see how it's bashing STH either.
At the very minimum there needs to be some distinction between high TAP members vs low TAP members.

You can’t put the majority of your tickets on the exchange. That will be flagged by the club as potential touting.

 

[LetItBee]

Anyone know how can i see the latest posts and not the last i watched?
thanks

 

[aslan]

You can’t put the majority of your tickets on the exchange. That will be flagged by the club as potential touting.

And very easily dismissed as such.
"I went to the first 10 home games this season to see how it'd pan out, we look sh*t so I've put my ST on the exchange well in advance for the 5 games before the renewals come through. You can see on the cctv I was at the games until I started using the exchange, how on earth is it touting?"

 

[rebus]

And very easily dismissed as such.
"I went to the first 10 home games this season to see how it'd pan out, we look sh*t so I've put my ST on the exchange well in advance for the 5 games before the renewals come through. You can see on the cctv I was at the games until I started using the exchange, how on earth is it touting?"

The instances of people doing this would be minuscule. Really odd behaviour to slag off season ticket holders who will be here when you’ve stopped following the club.

 

[aslan]

The instances of people doing this would be minuscule. Really odd behaviour to slag off season ticket holders who will be here when you’ve stopped following the club.

I haven't slagged anyone off at all.
You're the one with the odd behaviour slagging off a STH. When I've stopped following the club? ? Was a STH in league one and two as well, not sure dropping into the championship would shy me away.

 

[rebus]

I haven't slagged anyone off at all.
You're the one with the odd behaviour slagging off a STH. When I've stopped following the club? ? Was a STH in league one and two as well, not sure dropping into the championship would shy me away.

Glad to hear it and you’re proving my point then!

 

[aslan]

Glad to hear it and you’re proving my point then!

What point of yours have I proved?
I've had a ST in all 4divisions, I've gone to away games in all 4 divisions. I just don't see why a member with the same amount of taps as I have should be so far behind me in a queue for away tickets. For a man of the people, championing loyal support, your point seems off the mark.

 

[rebus]

What point of yours have I proved?
I've had a ST in all 4divisions, I've gone to away games in all 4 divisions. I just don't see why a member with the same amount of taps as I have should be so far behind me in a queue for away tickets. For a man of the people, championing loyal support, your point seems off the mark.

If they’ve got as many taps as you then I didn’t understand why they aren’t also a season ticket holder? How many of those type of members are out there?

 

[westendbee]

What point of yours have I proved?
I've had a ST in all 4divisions, I've gone to away games in all 4 divisions. I just don't see why a member with the same amount of taps as I have should be so far behind me in a queue for away tickets. For a man of the people, championing loyal support, your point seems off the mark.

sorry but i still don’t get your idea that we have members with several thousand TAPs. Any long-term genuine supporter had the opportunity to buy a season ticket for the GTech when we were still in the Championship and therefore long before we became “fashionable”; it can’t be a financial issue because you keep pointing out that it costs members more to attend matches than it does season ticket holders (and season ticket holders can spread the cost of their payments over the year); and as i have said before, members with high levels of TAPs will be first in the queue when new opportunities to purchase season tickets arise.

So just who are these mythical people you are defending?

 

[horshambees]

Parasites and premium prices: the grim growth of ticket resellers

Clubs are moving on from the ‘circus’ business model but long-term fans are in danger of being squeezed out

www.theguardian.com

“Liverpool gave a clear indication of their attitude to long-term fans last year, when the opening of a redeveloped Anfield Road Stand boosted the stadium’s capacity by 7,000.

“Their season-ticket waiting list runs very comfortably into five figures, and is so unwieldy it has been closed since 2017; some people have been on it for more than a quarter of a century, patiently waiting their turn.

“For most, this was not it: they got only 1,000 of the new tickets, the rest earmarked for occasional or one-off visitors.”

Man.Utd sussed this out years ago when they scrapped the League match ticket book.
Not quite a season ticket at the time as you never got the cup games or guaranteed a cup final ticket.
The membership scheme started and people from all over the country were dropped off by the mega store to buy ££££s worth of Man.Utd stuff.
I used to laugh at Beckham sliding in to the corners after scoring a goal and these people would all stand up and clap with Man United carrier bags in their hands.
Different people in those seats every week too.
A guy i worked with did not miss a game at OT from 1974 to 1992.
And then he was told he would have to buy a membership and "apply" for tickets with no guarantee you would get one.
The legacy fan is becoming a real pain in the arse nowadays and our days are numbered.
I understand why i see so many at non league football.
If they want younger fans at away games then do me a favour and stop selling me a ticket.
Its that simple.

 

[Griffingreen]

If they’ve got as many taps as you then I didn’t understand why they aren’t also a season ticket holder? How many of those type of members are out there?

A STH going to all home games can rack up 240 TAP's, whereas a member going to the top 6 TAP away games can rack up 250 TAP's alone?

 

[GP200]

Man.Utd sussed this out years ago when they scrapped the League match ticket book.
Not quite a season ticket at the time as you never got the cup games or guaranteed a cup final ticket.
The membership scheme started and people from all over the country were dropped off by the mega store to buy ££££s worth of Man.Utd stuff.
I used to laugh at Beckham sliding in to the corners after scoring a goal and these people would all stand up and clap with Man United carrier bags in their hands.
Different people in those seats every week too.
A guy i worked with did not miss a game at OT from 1974 to 1992.
And then he was told he would have to buy a membership and "apply" for tickets with no guarantee you would get one.
The legacy fan is becoming a real pain in the arse nowadays and our days are numbered.
I understand why i see so many at non league football.
If they want younger fans at away games then do me a favour and stop selling me a ticket.
It’s that simple.

………….absolutely spot on……………

 

[aslan]

If they’ve got as many taps as you then I didn’t understand why they aren’t also a season ticket holder? How many of those type of members are out there?

If there's so few then what is the problem of involving them?

 

[aslan]

sorry but i still don’t get your idea that we have members with several thousand TAPs. Any long-term genuine supporter had the opportunity to buy a season ticket for the GTech when we were still in the Championship and therefore long before we became “fashionable”; it can’t be a financial issue because you keep pointing out that it costs members more to attend matches than it does season ticket holders (and season ticket holders can spread the cost of their payments over the year); and as i have said before, members with high levels of TAPs will be first in the queue when new opportunities to purchase season tickets arise.

So just who are these mythical people you are defending?

People who have maybe had to lapse their ST for a huge array of valid reasons and changes to personal circumstance meaning they cannot commit - birth of a new child, house move, change of job, ill health, ill health of a loved one and starting university to name just a few. There was someone on here at the end of last season who could not justify renewing due to one/combination of the above reasons

 

[TorbayBee]

What point of yours have I proved?
I've had a ST in all 4divisions, I've gone to away games in all 4 divisions. I just don't see why a member with the same amount of taps as I have should be so far behind me in a queue for away tickets. For a man of the people, championing loyal support, your point seems off the mark.

Surely this is a non problem? There are still seats left. The ST holders are not over privileged and high TAP members in the main can get tickets. That’s the reality. First world problem

 

[aslan]

Surely this is a non problem? There are still seats left. The ST holders are not over privileged and high TAP members in the main can get tickets. That’s the reality. First world problem

High TAP members get zero priority over low TAP members, that's the reality. I see it fair argument they should not only have this priority, but also over low TAP STHs.

Genuinely, what is the argument that a member with 3k TAPs should have less priority than a STH with 1.5k? Outside Rebus's "they can choose not to commit to certain home games" which, due to the evolution of the Exchange, STHs can do also?

 

[Banana]

Latest sitrep. 200 or so left. View attachment 54443

I’m now in “surprised” territory

 

[TorbayBee]

High TAP members get zero priority over low TAP members, that's the reality. I see it fair argument they should not only have this priority, but also over low TAP STHs.

Genuinely, what is the argument that a member with 3k TAPs should have less priority than a STH with 1.5k? Outside Rebus's "they can choose not to commit to certain home games" which, due to the evolution of the Exchange, STHs can do also?

You obviously believe this a 'problem' I do not. I'm out.

 

[horshambees]

High TAP members get zero priority over low TAP members, that's the reality. I see it fair argument they should not only have this priority, but also over low TAP STHs.

Genuinely, what is the argument that a member with 3k TAPs should have less priority than a STH with 1.5k? Outside Rebus's "they can choose not to commit to certain home games" which, due to the evolution of the Exchange, STHs can do also?

I suggest a change in members TAPs windows.
If a member has over 1500 points then he gets priority over a member who has less.
Therein lies the argument.
Just leave the 2000 ST who want to regularly go to away games regardless of their age alone.
Its that simple.