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I think we need a rating system for the potential outgoings, in the same way we have Tenuous Link / Rumour / Strong Rumour for the potential targets. This one definitely has the feel of a Tenuous Link to me!
 

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Didn't warrant a mention in the Sky Transfer show even when they were scraping the barrel filling it with old Fulham news
 

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Hippobee said:
Dean Holdsworth for me. 38 goals in our promotion season and was able to replicate being a consistent, top goalscorer in the top division for a side that didn't score truckloads.
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Yeah but Bissett probably put half of those on a plate for him. Gary was often through on goal and squared it to Dean for a tap in.
 

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nocoat said:
We don’t need the oracle banana to answer this one! Brentford will sell any and every player if they meet the valuation. Only staff off limits are PG and Winnie.
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We didnt sell Raya to Arsenal

Your sentance should read...Brentford will sell any and every player if they meet the valuation and if we either have or have identified an upgrade that is incomming.
 

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WARFIELD BEE said:
£45 Million and I reckon we would let him go, is anyone going to pay that?
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I ask you tho, what are you doing with that 45 million? We have to make a statement here and set it at 50-60 million because I think if we lose Toney our chances of going down increase a hell of a lot. Clubs then know we have 45 million to spend from the Toney transfer and we get priced out of the market trying to replace him because we wont pay over the odds, with just a couple of weeks until the season begins. We start the season with Halil upfront instead....

I think it's a case of him giving us 1 more season, help us get in the top half and then we sell him at just 27 years old for 50+mill at end of next season.
 

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upnorthbee said:
I ask you tho, what are you doing with that 45 million? We have to make a statement here and set it at 50-60 million because I think if we lose Toney our chances of going down increase a hell of a lot. Clubs then know we have 45 million to spend from the Toney transfer and we get priced out of the market trying to replace him because we wont pay over the odds, with just a couple of weeks until the season begins. We start the season with Halil upfront instead....

I think it's a case of him giving us 1 more season, help us get in the top half and then we sell him at just 27 years old for 50+mill at end of next season.
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All I said was IMO we would accept £45 Million, my opinion only
 

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Holysmit said:
How do people keep falling for this click bait b***ocks? Its exhausting just watching you panic. God knows how exhausted you must be worrying about it. Particularly in this heat.
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Clearly you’ve got nothing better to do yourself then…
 

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WARFIELD BEE said:
All I said was IMO we would accept £45 Million, my opinion only
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We don't need £45m, we need a front man/striker like Ivan Toney. £45m isn't enough.

I think the 'yellow one' was quite right in his view—he'll only be sold in this window if someone pays silly money. £45m isn't silly money.

We don't want to sell Ivan Toney at the moment, but we will if someone makes us an offer 'we can't refuse' and that will be a lot more than £45m IMO.
 

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Holysmit said:
How do people keep falling for this click bait b***ocks?
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Who's falling for it?

I'm just chuckling at Newcastle thinking they can buy him for £30m.

It's actually quite disrespectful, but I think it's as you say 'clickbait nonsense'.
 

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Andy_Mc_is_God said:
Sorry but that's utter tosh IMHO.
He is brilliant, first on the team sheet every week and easily the second best striker we've ever had in my lifetime.
He's also absolutely pivotal to how we play and we've been exceedingly fortunate that he's been virtually ever-present and in form for two seasons now (since he got up and running). Safe to say that without him we wouldn't be where we are today and would have to completely change how we play.

Having said all that I personally thought at the tail end of last season he was beginning to look a little jaded/disinterested and didn't seem as up for it.
Whether he was burnt out or the constant pressure of being 'the one' I don't know but hopefully he'll be re-charged and up for it when the season starts.
I appreciate it's all '****-face' bo11ocks but I personally think he is exactly what Man Utd need in their re-build.
Of course Ivan'd jump at it (who wouldn't?); loads of money, instant world fame and adulation and in the England squad for the WC.
And of course they can afford the £50/£60 million but I just don't think he's the type of marquee signing they go for these days.

Thankfully, for us, I just don't think it will happen.
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Oh...Sorry about the "utter tosh" mate !
I really hope I'm wrong then...Anyway, back to my cold beer!!
 

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Banana and NLB and others know far better than I, however it is my understanding that when players join us, or resign, or move from B to first team squad, they are told that the Club won't stand in their way if offers come in that meet the Club's valuation.

Maybe this isn't so or has changed since our promotion.
 

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Beecareful said:
Banana and NLB and others know far better than I, however it is my understanding that when players join us, or resign, or move from B to first team squad, they are told that the Club won't stand in their way if offers come in that meet the Club's valuation.

Maybe this isn't so or has changed since our promotion.
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Probably hasn’t changed. I doubt the club ever tells players what their valuation is. Or that that valuation is at all low for players we want to keep.
 

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I think any “unfinished” business Toney had with Newcastle was over when he scored against them. With someone with Ivan’s personality I’d very much doubt he’d entertain going back to a club that let him go.
 

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They briefly talked about IT being a potential target for MU, on TalkSport last night.

The presenter said that he would expect us to hold out for 40+million so didn't see it as a viable option.

If Newcastle came in, offering us 50+million then I am sure we'd accept it, I have no doubts we have a couple of potential replacements lined up, for a fraction of that.
 

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Ivan to West Ham for £12m + benrhama is what the dildo brothers will open up with.

WHUFC mate of mine reckons was a “done deal” when we played them at BCS. He has had prior ITK insight on previous West Ham dealings, haven’t a clue how. But I’m calling Bollo on this one.
 

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Ashford Bees said:
Ivan to West Ham for £12m + benrhama is what the dildo brothers will open up with.

WHUFC mate of mine reckons was a “done deal” when we played them at BCS. He has had prior ITK insight on previous West Ham dealings, haven’t a clue how. But I’m calling Bollo on this one.
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Wet Spam are apparently trying to sign Broja from Chelsea. I think you can file any Ivan ∼ Saïd idea down to WHU fans wishing.
 

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Ashford Bees said:
Ivan to West Ham for £12m + benrhama is what the dildo brothers will open up with.

WHUFC mate of mine reckons was a “done deal” when we played them at BCS. He has had prior ITK insight on previous West Ham dealings, haven’t a clue how. But I’m calling Bollo on this one.
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That's worth £42 M. Just cus wet spam bought Benrahma at £30 mil doesn't mean he's still worth that. Toneys worth silly money right now £60m ?? So 42mil + benrahma maybe
 

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upnorthbee said:
I ask you tho, what are you doing with that 45 million? We have to make a statement here and set it at 50-60 million because I think if we lose Toney our chances of going down increase a hell of a lot. Clubs then know we have 45 million to spend from the Toney transfer and we get priced out of the market trying to replace him because we wont pay over the odds, with just a couple of weeks until the season begins. We start the season with Halil upfront instead....

I think it's a case of him giving us 1 more season, help us get in the top half and then we sell him at just 27 years old for 50+mill at end of next season.
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BerksBee said:
We don't need £45m, we need a front man/striker like Ivan Toney. £45m isn't enough.

I think the 'yellow one' was quite right in his view—he'll only be sold in this window if someone pays silly money. £45m isn't silly money.

We don't want to sell Ivan Toney at the moment, but we will if someone makes us an offer 'we can't refuse' and that will be a lot more than £45m IMO.
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I think teams in the bottom half of the PL (which is us, for now) look to sell experienced players to the top 6 rather than to league rivals, unless there is a burning desire for a sideways move for some reason.

£50m is a common figure as I've mentioned on here before. Ben White to Arsenal, Wan Bissaka to Man U. each had one solid year of PL experience.
Toney is a striker which we know always attracts a premium, so you'd be looking at a minimum of £50m and probably more.
If Man U want Toney then he might go but it's laughable to think they couldn't cough up £60m if they really want a striker.
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We get £100m of TV money every year for being in the PL. Why would you accept a small fraction of that to give up one of your best players, if you didn't have to?
So the same goes for Henry, Norgaard, possibly Raya, and anyone else that you regard as crucial to our success. £50m or bugger off.

Ashford Bees said:
Ivan to West Ham for £12m + benrhama is what the dildo brothers will open up with.

WHUFC mate of mine reckons was a “done deal” when we played them at BCS. He has had prior ITK insight on previous West Ham dealings, haven’t a clue how. But I’m calling Bollo on this one.
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That would make zero sense in light of our summer business! We've just replaced Said, again...
Swap deal stories are usually made up by the media, a lot has to align to get two players and two clubs to make a deal that they are all happy with.
 

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Beecareful said:
Banana and NLB and others know far better than I, however it is my understanding that when players join us, or resign, or move from B to first team squad, they are told that the Club won't stand in their way if offers come in that meet the Club's valuation.

Maybe this isn't so or has changed since our promotion.
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Not sure we agree what that valuation is with the player and as a small selling club everyone has a price we would sell at.
 

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IT May have scored 12? goals last season how many of those were penalties? If clubs want a striker they want a striker who can score regularly from open play. In my opinion until IT can do that in the PL that with us thats a risk so called big clubs may not be willing to take.
 

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tinman said:
IT May have scored 12? goals last season how many of those were penalties? If clubs want a striker they want a striker who can score regularly from open play. In my opinion until IT can do that in the PL that with us thats a risk so called big clubs may not be willing to take.
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Does seem to me that one of ITs huge strengths is that he pulls attention away from other team members who benefit from space and shooting time. IT (and BM) has/have been a huge handful for most PL defences to handle.
 

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tinman said:
IT May have scored 12? goals last season how many of those were penalties? If clubs want a striker they want a striker who can score regularly from open play. In my opinion until IT can do that in the PL that with us thats a risk so called big clubs may not be willing to take.
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I certainly don't think he's yet made an outstanding case to play for a much better side purely on the basis of his scoring record. You may disagree.
You could argue his value was higher when he'd just scored 31 in the Championship.... a la Watkins the year before.

Fine by me, he's worth plenty to us and we'd be better off selling when he is at peak value.
 

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tinman said:
IT May have scored 12? goals last season how many of those were penalties? If clubs want a striker they want a striker who can score regularly from open play. In my opinion until IT can do that in the PL that with us thats a risk so called big clubs may not be willing to take.
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Five from open play?
 

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tinman said:
IT May have scored 12? goals last season how many of those were penalties? If clubs want a striker they want a striker who can score regularly from open play. In my opinion until IT can do that in the PL that with us thats a risk so called big clubs may not be willing to take.
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We didn’t create as many chances as we should have before Eriksen arrived because of injuries and lack of creative midfield options.
Toney does do much more than just finish, he will score if you find him in the box but he also creates for others and defends his own box as well as any forward so plenty of clubs who would pay over £30M if we asked for that.
I expect we would be hoping for £50M + and then we might deal
 

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WARFIELD BEE said:
All I said was IMO we would accept £45 Million, my opinion only
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all I will say is ake for 50m. The money is out there, we always get what we want and IT for 4m would be laughable.
WARFIELD BEE said:
Banana and NLB and others know far better than I, however it is my understanding that when players join us, or resign, or move from B to first team squad, they are told that the Club won't stand in their way if offers come in that meet the Club's valuation.
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I believe that to end true, I also believe that number will be 50-60m
 

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The questions that need answering.

Has his value been met - or better still exceeded ?

does the player want to go?

how long is left on his contract?

have we or can we adequately replace him before he goes?

does the timing suit us?

are we strengthening a rival?
 

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RAF_Patto said:
They briefly talked about IT being a potential target for MU, on TalkSport last night.

The presenter said that he would expect us to hold out for 40+million so didn't see it as a viable option.

If Newcastle came in, offering us 50+million then I am sure we'd accept it, I have no doubts we have a couple of potential replacements lined up, for a fraction of that.
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Perhaps this is why Halil is more in the picture all of a sudden ... but equally likely this is 2 + 2 = 5 !!! ?
 

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North London Bee said:
The questions that need answering.

Has his value been met - or better still exceeded ?

does the player want to go?

how long is left on his contract?

have we or can we adequately replace him before he goes?

does the timing suit us?

are we strengthening a rival?
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And, before those, how has a vague tweet about 2 clubs "weighing up a bid" generated over 300 posts of absolute twaddle.
 

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Travel Tavern Bee said:
That dick Durham has it as his opening headline on his show on Talkshite
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Hoping to generate the sell on to his club PBoro ASAP then.....?
Who was he looking to whore IT out to? Or wasn't he bothered....??......
 

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North London Bee said:
The questions that need answering.

Has his value been met - or better still exceeded ?

does the player want to go?

how long is left on his contract?

have we or can we adequately replace him before he goes?

does the timing suit us?

are we strengthening a rival?
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As StevieSteve says, unless you're really ITK and inside IT's head - you've joined the others making something out of nothing.

The ONLY question at the moment is...........has anyone actually approach BFC and made any query about IT? If not there's absolutely nothing to talk about.

Mods - please close this thread in case it puts any idea into IT's or his agent's mind.

*NLB - I'm surprised at you. You sometimes talk sense.
 

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StevieSteve said:
And, before those, how has a vague tweet about 2 clubs "weighing up a bid" generated over 300 posts of absolute twaddle.
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The same way 1 dubious tweet created 240 posts on the Canos thread,people get bored in the summer break
 
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badgerbee said:
Hoping to generate the sell on to his club PBoro ASAP then.....?
Who was he looking to whore IT out to? Or wasn't he bothered....??......
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Yep . Didn’t listen turned the dickhead off after that headline . What a complete cock womblle he is
 

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Ashford Bees said:
Ivan to West Ham for £12m + benrhama is what the dildo brothers will open up with.

WHUFC mate of mine reckons was a “done deal” when we played them at BCS. He has had prior ITK insight on previous West Ham dealings, haven’t a clue how. But I’m calling Bollo on this one.
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Would accept 40 million plus what they owe us and Benrahma.
 

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What’s the point of this thread. Brentford won’t accept £30m and no club is paying £40m+.
 

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IslandBee said:
Perhaps this is why Halil is more in the picture all of a sudden ... but equally likely this is 2 + 2 = 5 !!! ?
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Halil is as much in the picture as he has ever been, a few half games in pre season before he goes on loan.

I don’t actually know what putting him more in the picture actually consists of? If we gave him the no9 shirt and played him the whole 90 mins and left Toney on the bench I still wouldn’t think it any more than messing about in a friendly.
 

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'Ayes B said:
Yeah but Bissett probably put half of those on a plate for him. Gary was often through on goal and squared it to Dean for a tap in.
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No probable about it.
Blissett done the graft for Holdsworth, and scored goals too
 

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mhead bee said:
Halil is as much in the picture as he has ever been, a few half games in pre season before he goes on loan.

I don’t actually know what putting him more in the picture actually consists of? If we gave him the no9 shirt and played him the whole 90 mins and left Toney on the bench I still wouldn’t think it any more than messing about in a friendly.
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Yeah, fair enough on Halil, but I am beginning to wonder whether this can simply be dismissed as a red herring.
 

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