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Hang on...fake fans alert...in case you havent you noticed people...one of THEM is playing for England tonight...yes, a PUTNEY POSER...which means the game doesnt matter...Holby City is on BBC1.
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John Terry
I just want a captain for England who has earned that honour through his good character as well as his skill. If I had to I would put character first and feel very proud of any manager or FA that did so. Felt embarrassed and ashamed watching him lead the team out tonight.
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Jagielka could be a good shout for captain IMO. Does he have any 'skeletons' ??
He looks like one!
John Terry
I can't understand the complete odiousness and repugnance of this "man". How any team can select him let alone name him captain is unfathomable. Chelsea and England must have plenty of barrels to scrape.
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John Terry
Yesterday marked another degree of separation between myself and "Team England". Now you can admit to using racist language on a football field (regardless of context) and keep the England captain's armband. A sad day for English football, and one day it will be seen as a mistake.
I'm still trying to understand why Terry felt the need to say he didn't call him a "black ***" when a simple "I didn't say that" would have sufficed.
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Just seen this post and I totally agree with every word. His England captain mate Rio Ferdinand is another example of the "role models " the FA choose to lead our country. The way he snarled and went forehead to forehead with referee Howard Webb last Sunday was a f****ing disgrace. Mind you, is was good to see Mr Webb not backing off,he should have sent Ferdinand off for that alone though.
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Life of me can't see what Terry has done wrong. If he called him what people are saying,well he is black and plays for QPR and as far as I know they are English..dont get it
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are you just being facetious mori?
he could just call him a **** and that'd be that. why call him a "black ****"??? why bring that into it?? call him a **** and there'd be no problem. no room for making the insult racist though.
he could just call him a **** and that'd be that. why call him a "black ****"??? why bring that into it?? call him a **** and there'd be no problem. no room for making the insult racist though.
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He is a **** but personally don't believe him to be racist, thick without doubt, but racist no.
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calling him black is a correct definition and not racist,they are both British. Adding labels for description is thin ice if deemed so.
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it's not a "definition" in this context, is it? you're being deliberately silly.
the fact remains - he could've called him a **** and that's fine. why call him a black ****? there's no need to bring his colour into it.
the fact remains - he could've called him a **** and that's fine. why call him a black ****? there's no need to bring his colour into it.
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John Terry
Ask Marcus Bean if you can call him the same as JT called Ferdinand.If he says its fine then you have a case.If not,then drop it.Personally i do not want it aimed at any of our lads past,present or future or others for that matter.Think it stinks.
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no, if someone asks you, i don't know, which car you have and you say "the black car", you're not being racist
well anyway, the point is, you have a different viewpoint to "society" on this. now, do you want to make a campaign out of us not being able to call people idiots who are black "black idiots", or is it perhaps better to accept that it is what it is :shrug:
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Marcus is black and plays for us and I hope proud of both. He is also as far as I am concerned English but have no problem with him playing for Jamaica,was well pleased. Racism and colour prejudice are two very different things but society chooses to muddle these things so as to make it easier to justify bombing people.
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Moribee - answer me this. If I was being particularly nasty to you, would you call me a c*** or a white c***?
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Personaly I wouldn't call you names unless you were baiting me the way that qpr piece of sh*t was baiting terry,I believe in reasoned opinions,but the latter comes to mind unless you were welsh and I might use that term. That would be racist tho whereas white would be colour prejudice. Believe calling the Hpool keeper a paedo when he can't confront you a far far worse misdemanour
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Why are the police even involved in this? you see plenty of players red carded for punches and headbutts yet they dont get nicked for GBH.
Maximum sentence is a £2500 fine...hardly worth tax payers money going ahead with the trial
Maximum sentence is a £2500 fine...hardly worth tax payers money going ahead with the trial
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moribee said:
You would actually call kempy a white ****? Would you, if you felt so inclined to abuse an Indian person, call him a brown ****?
Just trying to get a sense of universality (or level of silliness of your argument), like :shrug:
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Think I already answered that question. It's a bit like two parrots standing on a perch and one sayin to the other "can you smell fish".
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I don't understand why you would call me a white c*** or a welsh c*** (if I was indeed Welsh). Why wouldn't you just call me a c***? Why do you feel the need to bring skin colour or nationality into the insult?
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its life isn't it,like when you stub your toe,you can't predict what you might say or who to blame. It wouldn't be racist tho
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John Terry
I'd stop now, any logic appears to have disappeared and are yiou really saying that if you uttered obscenities that happened to be racist or offensive to any individuals or groups it would be OK as a totally uncontrollable impulse reaction like Tourettes?
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Um... yes it would be racist. You might not be a racist, but we are defined by our actions and what you said would be racist.
Plenty of people said big ron wasn't racist, and I dont think he was genuinely racist either, just ignorant. However no one defended what he said as it was clearly racist. Non-prejudiced people are capable of saying racist things whether they mean to or not.
I would have had way more respect for Terry had he just come out and said 'It slipped out, I wasn't thinking, these things happen in the heat of the moment' and shown a bit of sincere repentance. But he lied and tried to weasel out of it, now I hope they throw the book at him.
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John Terry
If the CPS have enough evidence to charge then I hope the FA will be unable to sweep it under the carpet.
New England manager should then clear the decks (or is that clear the dicks) and start anew. Bye bye Terry, bye bye Lampard.. Hello Phil Jones, hello Harry Forrester.
Feel it tiresome to read Terry's predictable quote along the lines of I aint no racist, I have plenty of mates from different cultures etc etc. I actually think a trial is worth the money if there's overwhelmingv evidence. I think he shouldn't shirk the responsibility he has as a role model.
Still though, innocent til PROVEN guilty.
New England manager should then clear the decks (or is that clear the dicks) and start anew. Bye bye Terry, bye bye Lampard.. Hello Phil Jones, hello Harry Forrester.
Feel it tiresome to read Terry's predictable quote along the lines of I aint no racist, I have plenty of mates from different cultures etc etc. I actually think a trial is worth the money if there's overwhelmingv evidence. I think he shouldn't shirk the responsibility he has as a role model.
Still though, innocent til PROVEN guilty.
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Because you called her bitch it is actually racist AND sexist. Gender neutral insults in future! lol
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but what Terry said wasn't racist, they are both British for gods sake
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What are you on about? Racism doesn't just apply if you are of different nationalities.
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It's all a lot of hot air which is constantly misrepresented and slanted. Biggest racists in the world are Israel the coconut in America yet we hang on there every whim. Black Power for ever.
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Moribee is probably exasperated, its a big deal about nothing.blacks and wannabee blacks insult white people all the time, always bleating and throwing around accusations of racism, gingers, people with long hair get stick because of who they are and what they look like, what makes blacks so special that people are charged with a criminal offence because of something they said?
I cant bear John Terry and have no prejudice myself but cant help feeling a huge mountain is being made out of a tiny molehill, things said in jest should be taken as that, how many times have any of us swore at our mrs, told them there this that and the other and in the cold light of day apologised and said we didn't really mean any of it.
I cant bear John Terry and have no prejudice myself but cant help feeling a huge mountain is being made out of a tiny molehill, things said in jest should be taken as that, how many times have any of us swore at our mrs, told them there this that and the other and in the cold light of day apologised and said we didn't really mean any of it.
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hmm, think i see your point here, although i think you're seeing racism as a nationality issue, and i'm not sure that's strictly true
but in general there is an element where this is all going too far. there are, in fact, far more important things to be talking about than Terry and Suarez.....
anyway ISB has been known to point out the way people scream "racist!!!" on here over nothing, and the GPG is but a reflection of society
but, i'm sticking to my point - if you wanna call someone a ****, call them a ****. why call them a "black ****"? what is that adding to your point? in fact, it's taking away from your point - now people will forget that he's a ****, and they'll remember that you're a "racist" :shrug:
better to keep the small racist views we have to ourselves. if i see a group of 4 black youths hanging out together, i immediately worry until i've walked past them. but that's the same for white youths to be honest - i think i'm just scared of youths these days. no respect
ok, better example. let me trot "some of my best friends are indian" and whatever else, and then admit that honestly, i'll attribute certain characteristics to "Mr Average Joe Indian" unless/until I get to know him better. isn't that true of all people? i see people as "caricatures" until i get to know the full person.
does it make me a racist? by some definitions, apparently so. are you sure you're not racist by that definition too? hmm. so what is the point of all this? we're trying to say, saying stuff about another man's race while insulting him is basically "below the belt". let it go. call him a tall *****, short *****, fat *****, skinny *****, ginger ***** or whatever else, but not a white/asian/black *****
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When did racism stop being racism if it happens between two people of the same nationality?
You have fundamentally misunderstood what is wrong with what Terry said. What the hell does Ferdinand being black have to do with anything?
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Have some sympathy with a heat of the argument viewpoint.
We can't let this stand though irrespective. Usage of anyone's race to suggest they are inferior is deeply rooted in our histories and is rightly something we have to address. The footage of Terry is damning and the snarl on his face more so. Anyone black will have been on the receiving end of that kind of contempt plenty of times in their lives. It disgusts and demeans.
If Terry is found guilty he will rightly be made an example of.
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No doubt some on here already know this, but I read in the paper this morning that in 2002 John Mackie (then of Reading) was suspended for eight games , of which five were suspended, for racially abusing Carl Asaba (then of Sheffield United. This seems to be the only precedent for Suarez/Terry in English football, although there have been cases elsewhere in Europe.
Mackie gave two weeks wages to Kick It Out. Probably a bit less than two weeks of Suarez's pay.
Mackie gave two weeks wages to Kick It Out. Probably a bit less than two weeks of Suarez's pay.
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John Terry
If people think a mountain is being made out of a molehill, think about the fact that Terry is England captain . . . even AFTER his previous "misdemeanours". Don't let his past record water down the serious of the situation, by thinking "oh yeah, Terry's just a complete ****, don't expect anything less from that ****".
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I very much like your post, but could you explain the following please?
How is white/black/asian ***** different to tall/short/ginger *****? Characteristics that cannot be changed.
Fattys and skinnys can change that aspect of their being so get no sympathy from me. **** off you fat or skinny pricks. :thumbs: