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But where offences come under both criminal law and discipline codes one course of action may be more appropriate than the other. For example, head butting an opponent is an offence under the discipline code, it's also an offence under criminal law. Do you want the police stepping in to deal with that?
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As I understand it, the complaint was made TO the police by a spectator NOT to the FA by the player. Therefore, the police had no choice but to investigate and take appropriate action. The FA will not intervene in the interim because it could damage any legal action. Completely different situation to the Suarez affair
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Yes, taking the Captain and best centre back is pretty standard these days .
Win the trophy with Terry raising it aloft and the picture could potentially be all over the world a few days later if he gets convicted. Potentially not the best advertisement for both England football team and England in general...
Is having Terry captaining a winning team a price worth paying for the potential repetitional damaged caused.
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Don't think he should be captain. He should probably go as a squad player depending on who's fit at the time but if we had to chose between that and Terry captaining the winning side and lifting the trophy then I'd take the latter. As it is we'd just be going along with the innocent till proven guilty line, also most of the potential captains aren't exactly whiter than white.
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History tells us we don't have to worry about JT, or anyone else come to that lifting the cup in Kiev
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us winning the trophy :lol:
The case is a waste of tax payers money, whats the maximum sentence? A small fine? what about real crimes like burglary..your lucky if the OB get round within the week
The case is a waste of tax payers money, whats the maximum sentence? A small fine? what about real crimes like burglary..your lucky if the OB get round within the week
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Hopefully this'll be "JT" and the Golden Generation's last tournament finals anyway, they need a complete clear out after this. At the time of the 2014 WC finals, Terry will be 33, Ferdinand 35, Cole 33, Lampard 36 and Gerrard 34.
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And how old will Beckham be ??
Dont forget once Capello is out he will be pushing for his substitute caps so he overtakes Shilton's Record
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I have to agree. Both Ferdinand and Lampard arent even guaranteed places in their club team and Terry proved to be woefully inept and off the pace 2 years ago at the last WC
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Claire has it right. As the police received a complaint about Terry's alleged actions they have to investigate. Terry has the right to a free trial. An FA charge/ban now would make it an unfair trial.
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Terry should be suspended until the case is over like any other person in any other walk of like who gets suspended on full pay
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Compare and contrast with the RFU
Danny Care allegedly drinks too much falling down water and is told he will not be picked until he cleans his act up. Delon Armitage allegedly lamps someone ina brawl, sent packing from the squad whilst awaiting trial etc
John Terry.........
Danny Care allegedly drinks too much falling down water and is told he will not be picked until he cleans his act up. Delon Armitage allegedly lamps someone ina brawl, sent packing from the squad whilst awaiting trial etc
John Terry.........
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To be fair I think the England rugby team have far more discipline issues than the football team based on the last year........
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Don't know anything about rugby, but are the England players slowly coming into money now at club level?
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http://www.football365.com/news/21554/7479357/Breaking-News-Terry-Stripped-Of-Armband
Has been stripped of the captaincy by the FA
Has been stripped of the captaincy by the FA
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not surprised especially after what Mike Ingham said on Five Live this am about texts after the WC debacle from senior players anti-Terry....seems its not just the fans that are split down the middle on him.
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Know in minority but wrong decision,or for wrong reasons. Stinks of knee jerk pc over reaction.
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the most disgraced England captain of all time, the bloke should have the bollox to make himself unavailable for selection until the case is over.what has happened to the england team and especially the captaincy makes me feel ashamed
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It's questionable that he is guilty of anything. We have a reached a stage in society where some sections can say what they want and others can't. What if is deemed to have said is hardly groundbreaking bearing in mind the truth behind it and the provocation. I hold no torch for the guy but who is captain surely is up to the manager not men in suits. My England team would consist of many more players from lower divisions anyway.
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The bloke is a PR nightmare who is past his best in any case. I thought after the world cup failure we were going to rightly write off this last batch of senior players and rebuild a squad for the future. It never happened.
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Yes he is sure a PR nightmare and very true about rebuilding. The criteria for picking a bunch of individuals always seems misguided to me
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The FA (for a change) have done the right thing. As captain of England, Terry would be the figurehead and main spokesman for the England players and representing the FA at the same time. The FA, quite rightly, do not want a player with this anti-social criminal charge to be representing them in this fashion. The FA have also taken advice from other players, some who we have been led to believe would have found it difficult to work with Terry, and understandably so. The FA would be completely within their right to ask Capello not to pick him, as in any job someone charged with a similar offence would be expected to be suspended on full pay. If there is no contract between Terry and the FA, then i cannot see why the FA do not have the right to instruct Capello not to pick him and therefore represent them.
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Well put.
The sooner this lot of pratts (Terry, Cole, Ferdinard, Lampard and yes Rooney) are out of the squad the better.
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Probably for the best, imagine if the trial was a couple of weeks before the Euros he'd have to stay as captain until then. At least now we can slightly take the sting out of it several months before.
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It is very hard to argue that this is 'knee-jerk', 'politically correct' or an ' over reaction'. I just dont see how anyone can fault the FA's judgement on this which has been swift and fair.
The FA were prepared to allow Terry to retain the captaincy, until they became aware that the case will be concluded after Euro 2012. I, and I hope most other people in England dont want the national team led by a player who has been accused of racially abusing another player, especially during a time when the team is under the additional scrutiny of a major world tournament. The FA were spot on in this case.
I am enjoying watching John Terry slowly self destruct. He is without doubt a *****, who is divisive and should never have been given the armband back in the first place
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Anyone else find it funny that Rio has ruled himself out of being next....will be extremely lucky to make the squad let alone the team let alone captain!!!!!!
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Agree with most of this. I think it's more the tip of the iceberg if it was a player with no previous I wouldn't mind as it is innocent till proven guilty. The fact the decision seems to have come partly from players talking to the FA says it all really, it's not just because he's got a court case coming up it's because as you say he's so divisive.
Also if it's true Capello wanted to keep him as captain, why the hell was he quick to sack him for sleeping with a teammates ex but not for being charged with racism?
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I don't know why "England Captain" is such an important position anyway, players at that level shouldn't need a leader. What does the England captain do anyway? He just tells the press what they want to hear through the use of cliches and soundbites, and on the pitch it's his job to shout "COME ONNNN!!" at his fellow players when they go up for a corner.
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The bloke is a spineless ****. If he had balls, he would have stood down before the even more spineless FA stepped in.
I do find if a bit funny that the FA have stripped terry of being captain, yet supported Rooney in reducing his violent conduct red card.
Bunch of head of their backside idiots.
I do find if a bit funny that the FA have stripped terry of being captain, yet supported Rooney in reducing his violent conduct red card.
Bunch of head of their backside idiots.
John Terry
He definitely shouldn't captain the squad, because a man who is openly racist shouldn't be captaining those of the skin colour he's against, for a country whom have thousands of people with that same skin colour supporting the side, but I've no problem with him being there. I'm not a racist, maybe a bigot at times, but who isn't? What he said to Ferdinand was unacceptable on a football pitch, Ferdinand shouldn't have been subject to that kind of abuse. However, he should have been fined and suspended there and then, not 8 months after, until the Police are done with him. I don't think one racist comment should stop him from going to the Euro's, football isn't the bastion of all things good and equal. There will be players in every team who will have done one thing or another to disgust us in one way or another.
Terry didn't assault Ferdinand, didn't put his life in danger, didn't infringe upon his rights, all he done was verbally abuse him. Whilst it shouldn't be anywhere near a football pitch, I feel banning him from a competition that has nothing to do with a league game 8 months after the incident happened is over the stepping the mark, and all we're doing is creating an overly sensitive society. Yes there are racists out there, that will never change, yes it's not acceptable to verbally abuse someone because of their skin, but is it really that bad? I've had abuse in the past for being partially deaf, something as natural as a man having black skin, if I were a footballer, would someone calling me a deaf **** really be just cause to stop them from going to an international tournament? I doubt they'd even get a ban or a fine.
The fact is slavery isn't a problem anymore, neither are racially motivated attacks (not to the level they have been in the past anyway), neither are the likes of the BNP, a black man has the same rights as a white man now. Racism is obvious active in the upper echelons of society, it's obviously alive in the police in deprived areas especially, however what Terry said cannot be compared to that. A man should be allowed his opinion and should be allowed to air that opinion, if it's derogatory to something completely natural such as skin colour or sexual preference then it should be left to private domains such as their own homes, if he doesn't leave it to that then he should rightfully be punished, but let's not wrongfully punish John Terry because there were people previously, and today, shared his ignorance but profited from and deprived others through it.
Terry didn't assault Ferdinand, didn't put his life in danger, didn't infringe upon his rights, all he done was verbally abuse him. Whilst it shouldn't be anywhere near a football pitch, I feel banning him from a competition that has nothing to do with a league game 8 months after the incident happened is over the stepping the mark, and all we're doing is creating an overly sensitive society. Yes there are racists out there, that will never change, yes it's not acceptable to verbally abuse someone because of their skin, but is it really that bad? I've had abuse in the past for being partially deaf, something as natural as a man having black skin, if I were a footballer, would someone calling me a deaf **** really be just cause to stop them from going to an international tournament? I doubt they'd even get a ban or a fine.
The fact is slavery isn't a problem anymore, neither are racially motivated attacks (not to the level they have been in the past anyway), neither are the likes of the BNP, a black man has the same rights as a white man now. Racism is obvious active in the upper echelons of society, it's obviously alive in the police in deprived areas especially, however what Terry said cannot be compared to that. A man should be allowed his opinion and should be allowed to air that opinion, if it's derogatory to something completely natural such as skin colour or sexual preference then it should be left to private domains such as their own homes, if he doesn't leave it to that then he should rightfully be punished, but let's not wrongfully punish John Terry because there were people previously, and today, shared his ignorance but profited from and deprived others through it.
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Thats how deluded and arrogant the **** is. Seems to think that anyone gives a sh*t.............
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I give up,I believed Ferdinand was English...just don't get where racism comes into it. Rooney kicks someone from behind and gets the FA support....that is far worse than anything Terry has done. Totally over hysterical reaction. Ferdinand provoked Terry anyway and Ferdinand knows that. What a country of apologists we have become and yet our powers that be can't wait to bomb other cultures and races and sanction ZOG worldwide. All hypocrites.
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Can you have a man on a racist charge captain of a multi racial team?
And can the FA make any kind of complaints if our black players are subject to abuse in the Ukraine if JT is skipper?
The answers are no.Feel free to disagree or agree if you would like too.
I feel JT has left the FA with no choice here and he has himself to blame.My only problem is that he should have been asked to relinquish the captaincy earlier.If he retires from international football then thats his choice.Ray Wilkins stated this morning that we will not win anything without him.Well Ray,we have won fa with him.Onwards and upwards I say.
And can the FA make any kind of complaints if our black players are subject to abuse in the Ukraine if JT is skipper?
The answers are no.Feel free to disagree or agree if you would like too.
I feel JT has left the FA with no choice here and he has himself to blame.My only problem is that he should have been asked to relinquish the captaincy earlier.If he retires from international football then thats his choice.Ray Wilkins stated this morning that we will not win anything without him.Well Ray,we have won fa with him.Onwards and upwards I say.
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I don't know if it has been mentioned before, but it seems to me that he had a tactic of getting an adjournment so that he could continue his path into the Euros.
It would seem that his gamble that the FA would countenance this was particularly ill judged - unsurprisingly to me and many others, it would seem.
It would seem that his gamble that the FA would countenance this was particularly ill judged - unsurprisingly to me and many others, it would seem.
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The whole family is toxic,him for screwing his best friends girlfriend,his brother responsible for a suicide,his father drug dealing & his mothers shop lifting.
Is he the sort of person who should be leading our team?, the answer is no.
How many chances does he get?,this is the second time he has had the captains armband taken away.
ps..these are common facts about him you can Google.
Is he the sort of person who should be leading our team?, the answer is no.
How many chances does he get?,this is the second time he has had the captains armband taken away.
ps..these are common facts about him you can Google.
moribee
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The guy was captain of England not a multi racial team. H
ysteria or what. He was never the right choice to region with based on some values,but this is us to the manager for better or worse
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John Barnes has it right, its hypocritical to shelve him from being captain but still pick him