Larry Signy

[Edmundo]

Which article appeared on the GPG? Where? I don't recall it and would have removed it if I had seen it. And over the years there have definitely been more than two articles on Beesotted, so you've confused me now.

 

[abee]

And abee - you haven't been mentioned. Why get yourself involved - you haven't been accused of anything.

Yes - but I'm a bit wary of it since a private message I one sent to banana appeared under someone else's name - by magic as everyone denied it had been passed over.

........and that is always the problem is it not??.

You never come out and name names......just snide remarks about "God's Chosen" for example and then you run around denying everything. You very rarely have the balls to actually put names or references to your accusations but on one occasion when you plucked up the courage you described David Heath as my "lackey" on the BFC board which suggests to any reader that he jumps through hoops whenever I tell him which way to vote. That was and is a lie and I asked you to withdraw it or repeat it and face the legal consequences. You did neither of course but just ran away to BAMB and Beesotted until it cools down and then back you come.

You claimed on this thread that a PM that you sent finished up on the GPG under someone elses name (I reference your post above to assist your always convenient memory). I am well aware that you are referring to a PM that you sent to Banana a couple of years back which I never saw but where you asked for me to be banned from the GPG. Banana telephoned me when he received your PM and took me to task for describing you as "Brentfords Dimmest Supporter" when you were still telling us that the debt was half of the true figure and how wonderfully well the BFC board led by Rogers and John McGlashan as CEO were running the club and Bees United. You later denied that you asked for me to be banned but again you choose to post the libel that a PM sent by you appeared under another posters name.

I became involved because again you refer to an issue that involved me with your worthless and spineless accusations and I asked you to reference it for the benefit of all of us including your admirers on Beesotted and BAMB. Surely an incident such as having a PM from you to Banana reproduced on the GPG under another posters name would be lodged in your memory and in your files in order that you can whip it out at a moments notice...........or not of course as it was just another figment of your turgid imagination.

 

[JBN]

I don't think it's abusive, it's a simple statement of fact.

So calling it a statement of fact makes it ok.

I'll have to remember that line.

 

[larrysigny]

Which article appeared on the GPG? Where? I don't recall it and would have removed it if I had seen it. And over the years there have definitely been more than two articles on Beesotted, so you've confused me now.

The one article I clearly remember was on Beesotted dated 4th September and headed 'Come on candidates - tell us something new' was reprinted here in full by banana around the same time.

There was quite a reaction - I can't remember it all, but you may find it if you look up comment about my spelling of 'copywrite/copyright'. Or maybe other people who responded may remember it.

A second Beesotted article, on September 21st and headed 'Still nothing new' MAY also have appeared.

 

[Gee Bee]

The one article I clearly remember was on Beesotted dated 4th September and headed 'Come on candidates - tell us something new' was reprinted here in full by banana around the same time.

There was quite a reaction - I can't remember it all, but you may find it if you look up comment about my spelling of 'copywrite/copyright'. Or maybe other people who responded may remember it.

A second Beesotted article, on September 21st and headed 'Still nothing new' MAY also have appeared.

Have you answered Bananas questions yet, in relation to your articles?
When others on here ask and prompt for questions of BU or BFC, you always say "why don't you ask them". Well your supposed prompting of answers in your articles was just the same. Did you ask any questions to the 4 candidates directly to them or through the Hustings? Straight yes or no will do.

 

[Banana]

The one article I clearly remember was on Beesotted dated 4th September and headed 'Come on candidates - tell us something new' was reprinted here in full by banana around the same time.

There was quite a reaction - I can't remember it all, but you may find it if you look up comment about my spelling of 'copywrite/copyright'. Or maybe other people who responded may remember it.

A second Beesotted article, on September 21st and headed 'Still nothing new' MAY also have appeared.

This is the post you are talking about Larry

https://griffinpark.org/forums/showpost.php?p=855555&postcount=54

Probably credited and topical so perfectly valid with the copyright law.

Now how about answering my questions?

 

[Edmundo]

Larry - were either of those articles of yours copied wholescale? Or were they simply quoted from in a discussion on the GPG? Not forgetting you original absurd claim that "most articles on Beesotted are copied onto the GPG," which I see you have withdrawn.

 

[abee]

This is the post you are talking about Larry

https://griffinpark.org/forums/showpost.php?p=855555&postcount=54

Probably credited and topical so perfectly valid with the copyright law.

Now how about answering my questions?

That cannot be the post Banana. That post was by wanderer paul with a proper re-direct to the Beesotted site and yet Signy clearly states that you reproduced the article.

As always he makes these quite invalid accusations and we all finish up running around proving him wrong whilst he disappears.

For any relatively new members of the GPG and in case you were concerned about confidentiality and the security of PM's there never was a PM of Signy's reproduced over another members name as he claims.

I have invited him to reference the posts for the benefit of all of us (there is a perfectly adequate "search" mechanism on here) but he loves to make sweeping statements and then run away. I had made up my mind that the kindest way to deal with this man is to ignore him and let Beesotted take up his time by continuing to ask him for front page articles but then he drags up an entirely untrue reference to something that did not happen and involved me. He then comes on and asks why I have chipped in as he supposedly was not accusing me of anything. That's right because he doesn't have the spine to put names to his posts but just lets the statement hang in the air.

 

[Banana]

That cannot be the post Banana. That post was by wanderer paul with a proper re-direct to the Beesotted site and yet Signy clearly states that you reproduced the article.

I believe he was referring to my post that is immediately after wanderer paul's.

 

[abee]

I believe he was referring to my post that is immediately after wanderer paul's.

He said that you re-produced the article IN FULL......wanderer paul re-directed us to the Beesotted site and the article and you quoted a few sentences from it. If you re-produced it IN FULL then I can't see it.

Jesus, why am I wasting time on this thoroughly..............(the rest of this post has been deleted by the mods and abee is hereby warned that he needs to remember that he is posting on a website available to families and with no parental restrictions facility.......)

 

[Banana]

You are correct of course. As far as I know, the article didn't appear in full as Larry Signy would try to have us believe.

Another allegation for him to withdraw I suppose

 

[Simon C]

He is sitting back and laughing at you all, stop playing into his hands.

 

[sonofabee]

You are correct of course. As far as I know, the article didn't appear in full as Larry Signy would try to have us believe.

Another allegation for him to withdraw I suppose

I know it must be difficult when someone is posting untruths and god knows there are some on here that always seem to be able to wind me up but.........Given that it seems to be universal opinion that the mans posts are dross so why not everybody makes a concious effort when they see his name in lights on a post to not reply.

 

[Beebop]

I know it must be difficult when someone is posting untruths and god knows there are some on here that always seem to be able to wind me up but.........Given that it seems to be universal opinion that the mans posts are dross so why not everybody makes a concious effort when they see his name in lights on a post to not reply.

It's called "Help The Aged"

 

[Les Beeavinu]

He is sitting back and laughing at you all, stop playing into his hands.

Over a 100 posts and a thread in his name. "Infamy, infamy they've all got it infamy." Shall I close the thread now?

 

[Banana]

Over a 100 posts and a thread in his name. "Infamy, infamy they've all got it infamy." Shall I close the thread now?

"There's only one thing worse than being talked about and that's not being talked about"

Don't close the thread please, I'm still waiting for my answers from Larry

 

[Mr Tree]

He is sitting back and laughing at you all, stop playing into his hands.

:yes: but it still baffles me as to what he actually gets out of it

100 posts later the issue is diluted and forgotten and everyone is bored... Larry avoids answering direct questions but insists on direct answers from everyone else... i can't believe people actually stick up for this clown...

 

[keefor]

:yes: but it still baffles me as to what he actually gets out of it

100 posts later the issue is diluted and forgotten and everyone is bored... Larry avoids answering direct questions but insists on direct answers from everyone else... i can't believe people actually stick up for this clown...

Agreed. I also can't believe anyone still bothers to take him seriously and respond to his inane ramblings. As far as I can make out his 'frontpage stories' on Beesotted attracted a grand total of zero comments on that board.

The image his postings conjure up for me is that of tumbleweed blowing across a windswept empty vista or a person jabbering away to themselves, completely ignored by others.

 

[abee]

Agreed. I also can't believe anyone still bothers to take him seriously and respond to his inane ramblings. As far as I can make out his 'frontpage stories' on Beesotted attracted a grand total of zero comments on that board.

The image his postings conjure up for me is that of tumbleweed blowing across a windswept empty vista or a person jabbering away to themselves, completely ignored by others.

You are of course absolutely right and I hate myself for even responding to his inane ramblings.

One of the problems though is that Signy has his erm....."admirers" both on Beesotted and BAMB (although I suspect that it is more a case of "my enemy's enemy is my friend") and he just cannot be allowed to continue peddling his untruths (recent examples on this thread alone include a PM where his confidentiality was breached and it appeared under the signature of another poster together with his assertion that articles had been copied en bloc from Beesotted to the GPG). Unless he is challenged his "true facts" finish up as a part of the Brentford folk lore which is why he and many others (according to him) were stunned to learn almost exactly one year ago to the day that BFC had been within a matter of hours of going into administration.....and that after the club had been run "so very well" by Bees United since March 2003 (see Signy's "God's Chosen" article).

When he is caught red handed then he falls back on his "wind-up" escape route. I do not believe that......I am persuaded that he is just plain thick but because the club to its great discredit has given him in the past a semi-official status by publishing his articles then he cannot be allowed to just post crap and get away with it.

That's my excuse anyway...........

 

[keefor]

You are of course absolutely right and I hate myself for even responding to his inane ramblings.

One of the problems though is that Signy has his erm....."admirers" both on Beesotted and BAMB (although I suspect that it is more a case of "my enemy's enemy is my friend") and he just cannot be allowed to continue peddling his untruths (recent examples on this thread alone include a PM where his confidentiality was breached and it appeared under the signature of another poster together with his assertion that articles had been copied en bloc from Beesotted to the GPG). Unless he is challenged his "true facts" finish up as a part of the Brentford folk lore which is why he and many others (according to him) were stunned to learn almost exactly one year ago to the day that BFC had been within a matter of hours of going into administration.....and that after the club had been run "so very well" by Bees United since March 2003 (see Signy's "God's Chosen" article).

When he is caught red handed then he falls back on his "wind-up" escape route. I do not believe that......I am persuaded that he is just plain thick but because the club to its great discredit has given him in the past a semi-official status by publishing his articles then he cannot be allowed to just post crap and get away with it.

That's my excuse anyway...........

abee,

I am fully aware of the damage the bloke has done to the club and his complete refusal to engage in any worthwhile debate when challenged on his 'views'. Equally I have followed the sorry saga of his cowardly digs at "God's Chosen", his blind insistence of wanting 'true facts' and so on.

I suppose I would favour one of the two approaches to his antics;

1. Ignore or

2. Post replies that are short and simple ending in "off"

With regards to his 'admirers' on the other boards; neither as far as I can see gets much in the way of a large volume of visitors. I agree with you, posters there seem to have their own agendas and as such seem to side with him as 'an enemy of my enemy is my friend'. It's a pity that prejudices are put in front of wanting the club to survive and change.

IMO nowadays he is totally discredited and that is due in large part to posters like yourself calling him on his posts.

 

[WisBee]

abee,

I am fully aware of the damage the bloke has done to the club and his complete refusal to engage in any worthwhile debate when challenged on his 'views'. Equally I have followed the sorry saga of his cowardly digs at "God's Chosen", his blind insistence of wanting 'true facts' and so on.

I suppose I would favour one of the two approaches to his antics;

1. Ignore or

2. Post replies that are short and simple ending in "off"

With regards to his 'admirers' on the other boards; neither as far as I can see gets much in the way of a large volume of visitors. I agree with you, posters there seem to have their own agendas and as such seem to side with him as 'an enemy of my enemy is my friend'. It's a pity that prejudices are put in front of wanting the club to survive and change.

IMO nowadays he is totally discredited and that is due in large part to posters like yourself calling him on his posts.

..except that, by allowing him an outlet for his 'articles' the other boards and (to it's eternal shame) the club conspire to perpetuate these urban myths that are believed by non-users of GPG, simply because those non-GPGers have no access to an alternative view ......the man is a walking liability, and should never be given the time and space in which to vent his snake-oil........ IMHO

 

[ChorleyBee]

..except that, by allowing him an outlet for his 'articles' the other boards and (to it's eternal shame) the club conspire to perpetuate these urban myths that are believed by non-users of GPG, simply because those non-GPGers have no access to an alternative view ......the man is a walking liability, and should never be given the time and space in which to vent his snake-oil........ IMHO

Free speech of course Wisbee. However why don't journalists, who unlike Larry presumably do not receive twelve pieces of silver to peddle shall we say misleading material, writing in the local papers publish articles which expose his poisonous sycophantic propaganda?

If they did (could?) do so these would surely be seen by a far greater readership than those on the GPG and destroy any credibility he has outside these forums.

 

[larrysigny]

.....However why don't journalists, who unlike Larry presumably do not receive twelve pieces of silver to peddle shall we say misleading material.......

Which 20 pieces of silver are these? Can I pay them into my bank account - or (better) the BU fund?

 

[Gee Bee]

Which 20 pieces of silver are these? Can I pay them into my bank account - or (better) the BU fund?

Rather than pick your responses, why not answer them in order of merit. I belive Bananas should be first.

 

[abee]

Rather than pick your responses, why not answer them in order of merit. I belive Bananas should be first.

No he likes the hard ones first. And then he's gonna clean Nurse Betty's clock.....he didn't have time before he went to France on an important assignment but he was definitely gonna wash her socks when he got back and then there's.........(continues for 109 further "and then there's)........

 

[Banana]

Rather than pick your responses, why not answer them in order of merit. I belive Bananas should be first.

Come on Larry - answer the questions!!!!

 

[Simon C]

Come on Larry - answer the questions!!!!

Are there enough for a GPG interview yet?

 

[ChorleyBee]

Which 20 pieces of silver are these? Can I pay them into my bank account - or (better) the BU fund?

Don't be such a moron Larry, you understand the Biblical reference as clearly as I do. Its OK, I have some sympathy for you, I appreciate that in your misleading programme articles you were only obeying orders (and you will no doubt understand the origin of that phrase as well).

Interesting idea you have there though, are you really volunteering to pay the money you got from the programme articles into the BU fund? A simple yes or no will do to that question. If so you genuinely have my total respect, especially as you will have already paid tax on it.

 

[Banana]

Interesting idea you have there though, are you really volunteering to pay the money you got from the programme articles into the BU fund? A simple yes or no will do to that question. If so you genuinely have my total respect, especially as you will have already paid tax on it.

Larry didn't get paid for the programme articles.

However, he still has lots of questions to answer.

 

[ChorleyBee]

Larry didn't get paid for the programme articles.

FFS if that is the case why the hell did he do them then. Surely he couldn't have believed the pap he wrote?

 

[Brain-dead Bee]

FFS if that is the case why the hell did he do them then. Surely he couldn't have believed the pap he wrote?

I believe he is sincere - often mistaken, deluded and irritating (and not alone in that), but sincere

 

[Bee H]

calling Liar Signy, oops, sorry, Larry Signy - mind you ....

Its OK, I have some sympathy for you

I think the person who really, really deserves sympathy is poor Mrs June Signy, fancy being married to Larry Signy - poor lady !

C'mon then Lazzer baby, time to answers questions - Banana's first !

 

[Nurse Betty]

Banana's first, be buggered!

I am still waiting, Mr Signy, for an explanation from you about your role in misleading the majority of Bees fans about our financial situation.

 

[abee]

Banana's first, be buggered!

I am still waiting, Mr Signy, for an explanation from you about your role in misleading the majority of Bees fans about our financial situation.

Rein up Champion.

Mr Signy has already told us that he will pinging your braces as soon as he gets back from his assignment in France and that when he is done with you you are gonna have to be fed liquids only for about six weeks.

 

[Nurse Betty]

Rein up Champion.

Mr Signy has already told us that he will pinging your braces as soon as he gets back from his assignment in France and that when he is done with you you are gonna have to be fed liquids only for about six weeks.

He's back from France and I want my answers.

If he has any idea about pinging anything elastic on my personage, he can think on.

 

[WisBee]

FFS if that is the case why the hell did he do them then. Surely he couldn't have believed the pap he wrote?

..................I can't even begin to answer the first part of this, Chorley, but as for the second, he has already posted, in the dim and distant past somewhere or other, that he didn't necessarily believe everything that he put into his articles.......if that is any answer, HTH......................



and as for your other reply to a previous post of mine, perhaps the local press are in thrall to him, for some obcsure reason...... .......not living locally to London, I have no chance to see what is in the Chronny any more.....perhaps the newspaper(s) should be approached about a possible expose .................... .......perhaps Lord Stevens should incorporate an investigation into LS in his 'bungs' enquiry.....? ....or is that too OTT.................?

 

[West Ealing Bee]

and as for your other reply to a previous post of mine, perhaps the local press are in thrall to him, for some obcsure reason......

:scratch:

Not sure what you are on about here. Man writes something patently untrue in an in-house publication, hardly news is it?

The local newspaper sports sections do a decent job of covering the financial situation at Brentford but we are all covered by bosses/editors etc.

You can't write the same thing in a newspoaper every week, people will stop buying it.

 

[WisBee]

:scratch:

Not sure what you are on about here. Man writes something patently untrue in an in-house publication, hardly news is it?

The local newspaper sports sections do a decent job of covering the financial situation at Brentford but we are all covered by bosses/editors etc.

You can't write the same thing in a newspoaper every week, people will stop buying it.

............perhaps we'll have to agree to differ on our respective interpretations of 'in-house magazine'......personally I wouldn't class the match programme as an in-house magazine, especially when it is on general sale........but if that's your take, then who am I to disagree.....?

 

[Banana]

............perhaps we'll have to agree to differ on our respective interpretations of 'in-house magazine'......personally I wouldn't class the match programme as an in-house magazine, especially when it is on general sale........but if that's your take, then who am I to disagree.....?

This was Larry's excuse - it's an in-house magazine like something distributed to employees at a large corporation.

As you point out it is the traditional manner in which the club communicates with the fans. However, Previous owners have used it to communicate their views in the absent of contrary views.

The question is did BU exert editorial control over the articles Larry wrote. Did he stick to a brief to write good news articles; or did he do it off his own back.

So some more questions to Larry

1) WHO, if anyone, on the BU Board "reviewed" your articles before publication?
2) Were you given a brief on how to write the articles? If so by whom and what was it?

If the answers to the above are both "no" he did it off his own back.

 

[WisBee]

...............have a heart, 'Nana!.........you've got so many questions in the pipeline, that I've forgotten what mine WERE before Larry went on his summer vacation to the land of Brie and Cognac!.......perhaps Larry could refresh my memory lol

 

[West Ealing Bee]

............perhaps we'll have to agree to differ on our respective interpretations of 'in-house magazine'......personally I wouldn't class the match programme as an in-house magazine, especially when it is on general sale........but if that's your take, then who am I to disagree.....?

Perhaps describing it as an 'in-house' magazine is stretching the definition somewhat but it is not really the local newspapers place to comment on what is written in another publication.

 

[abee]

This was Larry's excuse - it's an in-house magazine like something distributed to employees at a large corporation.

As you point out it is the traditional manner in which the club communicates with the fans. However, Previous owners have used it to communicate their views in the absent of contrary views.

The question is did BU exert editorial control over the articles Larry wrote. Did he stick to a brief to write good news articles; or did he do it off his own back.

So some more questions to Larry

1) WHO, if anyone, on the BU Board "reviewed" your articles before publication?2) Were you given a brief on how to write the articles? If so by whom and what was it?

If the answers to the above are both "no" he did it off his own back.

When I was on his case following the "interview" with Stephen Callen in which Callen was quoted as saying that "Altonwood/Noades couldn't take Griffin Park back anyway now".. I challenged Signy via the GPG on this statement which was patently wrong. He got very testy with me.......said that I was the only one who seemed to care and was making an issue of it and that this article like all of his others was vetted by Bees United for content and that if I had a problem then take it up with BU.

The bottom line was it seemed to me that BU was trying to puff up their running of the club and how well they were managing it and wanted the fan in the street to believe that they had now got into the situation where Griffin Park was completely safe. It is inconceivable that such a statement could have been "missed" in the vetting (assuming that Signy who hates liars and claims that I am one) was telling the truth about BU approving the articles before publication. I am inclined to buy the Signy version as there were enough of the "great and the good" who would have read the exchanges between Signy and myself on the GPG at the time and nobody bothered to come on and say that it was either an erroneous transcript by Signy or erm.........Callen didn't understand what the situation was (impossible).

It's a bit like the Bournemouth programme and the "BU guarantees the BFC debt" statement for the rank and file "smelly socks". When I challenged this then they put something out on the website but Chris Gammon was still suggesting that it was more or less right because BU does guarantee the Barclays and LBH loans. That was as much bollox as was the statement in the programme. They are either devious or plain careless and not terribly competent. I'm not sure which I prefer.......

 

[Banana]

They are either devious or plain careless and not terribly competent. I'm not sure which I prefer.......

rofl rofl rofl

Maybe you should add "well intentions" and something about the road to hell.

 

[WisBee]

Perhaps describing it as an 'in-house' magazine is stretching the definition somewhat but it is not really the local newspapers place to comment on what is written in another publication.

..........again, I fear we'll have to disagree, this time on the role of the local news media.......IMHO, if it is reported in the match programme that everything in the garden is rosy, but that it turns out - later - that our garden is actually neck deep in manure, ....that would be an ideal topic for an in-depth investigation......where did the original story come from, who sanctioned it, why...etc, etc....?.....local news is not just about reports from the local WI (with due respect to that august organisation) and the 'hatched, matched and despatched' columns..................

 

[Banana]

..........again, I fear we'll have to disagree, this time on the role of the local news media.......IMHO, if it is reported in the match programme that everything in the garden is rosy, but that it turns out - later - that our garden is actually neck deep in manure, ....that would be an ideal topic for an in-depth investigation......where did the original story come from, who sanctioned it, why...etc, etc....?.....local news is not just about reports from the local WI (with due respect to that august organisation) and the 'hatched, matched and despatched' columns..................

I believe that (say) a football manager may have a certain expectation of the local media which is to promote the club. The national media he might take a different view of and be more careful about what he says.

 

[WisBee]

..............that may well be true, 'Nana, but it is not everyday that the local Football League professional football club, which has been run - and supposedly run well - for the past three years by its' own fans, is within a gnat's whisker of going under, as was the case almost exactly (if I may use that term) a year ago; if that doesn't warrant something other than a passing comment, regardless of the (then) manager's wishes, then what is the point of local journalism......which of course brings us neatly back to topic...........or not, as the case may be............?

 

[West Ealing Bee]

..............that may well be true, 'Nana, but it is not everyday that the local Football League professional football club, which has been run - and supposedly run well - for the past three years by its' own fans, is within a gnat's whisker of going under, as was the case almost exactly (if I may use that term) a year ago; if that doesn't warrant something other than a passing comment, regardless of the (then) manager's wishes, then what is the point of local journalism......which of course brings us neatly back to topic...........or not, as the case may be............?

I think you are under the impression that the local papers have ignored the situation, which isn't the case.

You seem to want an investigation into what one man is writing in another publication, a local newspaper doesn't have a market to do stuff like that.

 

[ChorleyBee]

You seem to want an investigation into what one man is writing in another publication, a local newspaper doesn't have a market to do stuff like that.

That of course would be unrealistic, but I would have thought that a any reporter who reads GPG would be motivated to probe a bit deeper when some people with a good track record of competence express serious worries on here that the club through articles in the house journal (for that is what the programme clearly is).

As for the suggestion that the local media should automatically promote the club, well yes where possible to the same extent as say the D Telegraph will always try to report stories with a pro Tory slant. However if it comes to a cover up then they should report FACTS.

 

[Bee H]

c'mon Lazzer, be a Man and start answering questions will ya ??

However if it comes to a cover up then they should report FACTS.

are these "true facts" or "Larry's facts" ? :scratch:

 

[ChorleyBee]

Guess!