Manager Position
- Thread starter Les Beeavinu
- Start date
- Latest activity Latest activity:
- Replies 569
- Views 47K
- Status
scruff puppy pup
Active member
- Joined
- 13 Dec 2007
- Messages
- 8,637
- Reaction score
- 1
Manager Position
You might be right, but he's got no budget to work on at Rochdale, he must know it will be nigh on impossible to take that side any further, so we can offer him a decent playing budge.
The same argument applies to Tisdale at Exeter.
Bungy Bee
formerly known as Jockbee
Manager Position
John Still...not sure if he would leave Daggers though....good man management skills...put 4 past us as well....
...YOU REDS....
...YOU REDS....
Low End Bee
...and sitting
Manager Position
Mr Coppell please.
Can't see the board getting MA back.
Gary Johnson? Not sure.
Not keen on Sousa or Parkinson at all.
Dennis Wise? Not after the 'incident' I had on Chiswick High Road with him once.:mad1:
Liam Daish anyone?:laugh:
Can't see the board getting MA back.
Gary Johnson? Not sure.
Not keen on Sousa or Parkinson at all.
Dennis Wise? Not after the 'incident' I had on Chiswick High Road with him once.:mad1:
Liam Daish anyone?:laugh:
JBN
In Training
ChinaBee
The boys are back in town
Manager Position
When was the last time you saw AS on TV with a BFC tie.....................
When was the last time you saw MA on TV with a BFC tie..................
Exeter in JPT
My only concern with bringing MA back to follow AS is that I can read all the press stuff now being fed from AS and his cronies "I was under too much pressure with MA on my shoulder and I was proved right, once MA was mentioned I was always going to fail"
Having said that my heart says bring back MA
When was the last time you saw MA on TV with a BFC tie..................
Exeter in JPTMy only concern with bringing MA back to follow AS is that I can read all the press stuff now being fed from AS and his cronies "I was under too much pressure with MA on my shoulder and I was proved right, once MA was mentioned I was always going to fail"
Having said that my heart says bring back MA
SQUELCH
Der Kaiser
Manager Position
Agree completely – both know how to work a shoestring budget. The chance of a move to the capital could flick the Tisdale switch however with the cup looming I cant see it.
bigmac
Tasty, but full of crap
Manager Position
I'm not suggesting we don't. I would certainly prefer a full time appointment to a caretaker to the end of the season.
SmiffyBee
A Beautiful Lie
- Joined
- 23 Mar 2005
- Messages
- 45,705
- Reaction score
- 9,546
scruff puppy pup
Active member
- Joined
- 13 Dec 2007
- Messages
- 8,637
- Reaction score
- 1
Robi Bee
INVALID EMAIL
Manager Position
Good post. I'd back all that, like I've bakced Scott on GPG for the past 6 months. But methinks it really is over now. Fans can just about tolerate poor results for a period if you are playing attractive football (which we're not) or they can put up with hoof ball if its getting results like it did under MA. We've got neither. Fact is our too large squad is causing nothing but confusion about who to play, where and why. The coaching staff have run out if ideas - that's ovbious form the post match press conferences.
Would like to make a couple of addtional points:
Can all the mad dogs shut-up about MA for manager. It was hoof ball, his record is at best patchy since he left BFC, and we completely bottled against Swansea in that semi final.
Don;t look back at last year as indicator for this season - we had the best keeper in the League (soon to be the best in the Premiership) who IMO earned the team somewhere between 12 and 15 points. Without those points Brentford would have finished lower half of the table.
Finally, admist all this talk about MA, why does no-one ever suggest the players take a look in the mirror? Balkestein? Diagouraga? There are probably others.
Sheerwater Bee
Never, ever, back down
Manager Position
Long term appoitment is all well and good if we can get the right manager now. However we are deep in the do do and staring at relegation on this current form. We need someone short term if neccessary to ensure we don't go down. MA would be my choice to meet that criteria.
blunstone
Active member
Manager Position
yes. good post.
but sadly the keyboard warriors want blood, not to give support. the players and scott know this and it hardly helps him or his team deliver performances when many want to see them fail and him fall.
i do agree that the board needs to make a move to quell the unrest that is becoming endemic - ideally to state that andy has their full support.
OP
OP
Les Beeavinu
Administrator
Manager Position
I have a colleague who supports Bradford. It's fair to say that if it was a choice between the two, I'd be clamouring for Scott to stay.
kendo
Active member
Manager Position
Prepare your tin hat Blunstone pelters comming your way i think..........
NorthamptonBee
Yes Boss
Manager Position
Tell me about it, my little dip into the football world has shocked me about Taylor.
I'd rather keep Scott too.
Manager Position
Can someone remind me what the squad was that MA left behind when he walked away (toys out of pram, if the board won’t back me I’m off now that I have let most of the players from last season go) and what, as a result, happened the following season.
MA’s methods may have worked back then with youngsters and unknowns but with the experienced players we have (this is probably the oldest, most experienced squad we’ve had for a long time) would they respond to the MA approach. Sure you can jump in a stream and swim across it if you think it can improve moral and sure it may work with an impressionable 17 year old, but what do you think the reaction of our current squad would be, “Wow that’s the guy for me” or “Yeah right mate, what a Muppet”?
I agree MA has passion and commitment never has one man shown such drive - but the cause was always MA not BFC - and will always be so. We need a football manager not a self publicist, one that will try to transform what we have, to what I think most BFC fans want, a team building for the future playing attractive football with an unshakeable belief that better things are on the way.
If MA comes back, I will still clap the team out, cheer them on and clap them off, no matter how they play (frankly last night and both Orient away games earlier this season did put that to the test) but you have to remember MA made some strange substitutions and signings, he too lacked a plan b, and under him we played very direct kick-and-rush football – there was more to MA than his larger than life personality: you get one you get all.
MA’s methods may have worked back then with youngsters and unknowns but with the experienced players we have (this is probably the oldest, most experienced squad we’ve had for a long time) would they respond to the MA approach. Sure you can jump in a stream and swim across it if you think it can improve moral and sure it may work with an impressionable 17 year old, but what do you think the reaction of our current squad would be, “Wow that’s the guy for me” or “Yeah right mate, what a Muppet”?
I agree MA has passion and commitment never has one man shown such drive - but the cause was always MA not BFC - and will always be so. We need a football manager not a self publicist, one that will try to transform what we have, to what I think most BFC fans want, a team building for the future playing attractive football with an unshakeable belief that better things are on the way.
If MA comes back, I will still clap the team out, cheer them on and clap them off, no matter how they play (frankly last night and both Orient away games earlier this season did put that to the test) but you have to remember MA made some strange substitutions and signings, he too lacked a plan b, and under him we played very direct kick-and-rush football – there was more to MA than his larger than life personality: you get one you get all.
cromerbee
...we are the Royal Oak, Griffin Park.
Manager Position
MA today!!!! If he's allowed to stay until Exeter, we'll be in the bottom 4 and out of the cup. At least with MA in, we stand a chance of getting through and staying up! 2 points out of 21 - does the board really want to self destruct????
Owlsmoor_Bee
Moderator
Manager Position
Singularly the most damning indictment of a manager that I've ever read. 
Bigbee
Well-known member
Manager Position
Did I read some where that Wise was at one of our recent games ?
Curbs would be fantastic but would need a huge results related incentive to join
Gary Johnson is a good prospect at our level
Any one ,any one being in charge on Sat instead of AS will be an improvement as the players wont do it for him any more .I hope Bully doesnt get the caretaker gig ,he should be off too .
We wont get a perm manager by Sat so I suggest that Mr Forster wears the hat for Sat .He's intelligent and should have the respect of the squad .
Curbs would be fantastic but would need a huge results related incentive to join
Gary Johnson is a good prospect at our level
Any one ,any one being in charge on Sat instead of AS will be an improvement as the players wont do it for him any more .I hope Bully doesnt get the caretaker gig ,he should be off too .
We wont get a perm manager by Sat so I suggest that Mr Forster wears the hat for Sat .He's intelligent and should have the respect of the squad .
Bigbee
Well-known member
OP
OP
Les Beeavinu
Administrator
Bee4ever
Active member
- Joined
- 1 Sep 2006
- Messages
- 2,959
- Reaction score
- 38
Manager Position
From personal experience I do not agree with you (please read my article on page 147 of "Silk Scarves and Chomp Bars "
OP
OP
Les Beeavinu
Administrator
Manager Position
That's how I remember it. I can see why people would want MA back for other reasons maybe, but I don't think that him coming back will see us playing tippy-tappy any time soon.
Low End Bee
...and sitting
Manager Position
Wouldn't mine Sousa however ex QPR and I remember him being on 'quite' high wages in his previous management roles. .....
I have a Swans mate (I know
)The players were mighty relieved when Sousa went. Bizarre training methods and a lack of communication were cited. They didn't let many in but they also scored a pitiful amount of goals when he was in charge.
dazabees82
Member
Manager Position
we will end up wit Ian dowie,( scott out scott out )and close the door behind u
Kingston Bee
Well-known member
Manager Position
Whilst I am not in favour of getting MA back certainly long term its about staying up not playing tippy-tappy football. So if MA were the short term replacement with the objective of keeping us in this division this season I would take it, but going further it must be Coppell or Johnson imo.
Bee4ever
Active member
- Joined
- 1 Sep 2006
- Messages
- 2,959
- Reaction score
- 38
Manager Position
One further point. When MA was here he developed the careers of Sodje,Tabb,Turner and DJ, all of whom went on to play at a higher level,Scott has been here longer than MA was .and how many players has he developed ?
scruff puppy pup
Active member
- Joined
- 13 Dec 2007
- Messages
- 8,637
- Reaction score
- 1
absenteebee
INVALID EMAIL
- Joined
- 19 May 2006
- Messages
- 11,460
- Reaction score
- 11
Kingston Bee
Well-known member
Manager Position
don't forget steve hunt...
oh yes Steve Hunt the guy MA often did not pick and let him go for nothing....yes I remember him...
Sweepy
Part-time Grapeviner
Manager Position
I notice the 'elementary mistakes' count is going up every game. What would AS's comments be in the (highly) unlikely event he is here after Plymouth? Six elementary mistakes cost us?
Grow up. The 'keyboard warriors' want something different to defeats against Yeovil and Dagenham and a 2 point gap from the bottom four.
OP
OP
Les Beeavinu
Administrator
taxi driver
Active member
Paul USA
Well-known member
Billy Hunt
445
WarrenBee
Well-known member
OP
OP
Les Beeavinu
Administrator
Manager Position
Sweepy
Part-time Grapeviner
Manager Position
Okay, in terms of who the next manager is, anyone could prove to be unsuccessful. The next appointment will always have an element of risk to it. The key to minimising the risk. Here are the steps I think will help get it right.
1. Martin Ling is now out of work having been sacked from struggling Conference side Cambridge after four straight defeats. So let's not clutter up the shortlist with candidates who are totally unsuitable.
2. I struggle to understand the short-term appointment logic. Whoever gets taken on is likely to keep their job if he keeps Brentford up and lose it if Brentford go down.
3. As we found out with Scott Fitzgerald, the job requires someone experienced.
4. It might be worth taking a fortnight to see how whoever is appointed caretaker fares. For 18 months, that worked well enough for us with AS.
5. Perhaps consider appointing a Director of Football? It is a common post at clubs these days.
Interesting times ahead....
1. Martin Ling is now out of work having been sacked from struggling Conference side Cambridge after four straight defeats. So let's not clutter up the shortlist with candidates who are totally unsuitable.
2. I struggle to understand the short-term appointment logic. Whoever gets taken on is likely to keep their job if he keeps Brentford up and lose it if Brentford go down.
3. As we found out with Scott Fitzgerald, the job requires someone experienced.
4. It might be worth taking a fortnight to see how whoever is appointed caretaker fares. For 18 months, that worked well enough for us with AS.
5. Perhaps consider appointing a Director of Football? It is a common post at clubs these days.
Interesting times ahead....
Bee4ever
Active member
- Joined
- 1 Sep 2006
- Messages
- 2,959
- Reaction score
- 38
Manager Position
I see it all now...the Messiah returns.......we hammer Plymouth 3-0 in front of 7,000 ecstatic fans......we go to Exeter and win... a Wembley appearance and an audacious run up the table to the play-offs........well I can dream can't I ?
taxi driver
Active member
Manager Position
IslandBee
Now Off-Island Bee
Manager Position
Precisely - then we can look properly at the credentials of Gary Johnson etc, assuming of course that they are interested in the job.
Last edited:
WarrenBee
Well-known member
- Status