Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

Status
Not open for further replies.

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

I take it you’ve never seen Strakosha actually play?

Only the once, but this keeper worries the crap out of me. Its effecting the defence as well now. Hickey and Collins were expecting the keeper to come for the ball yesterday and the Palace game. As others have said he doesn't come out with real conviction.
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

couple of really poor flaps, in fact it was a crazy waft at a ball that he flapped straight to one of theirs when he could have let it run out of play that started his 10 minutes of pressure resulting in a poor penalty decision against him

Nail on the head. He had a 'suspect' 10 minutes starting with the flappy punch for the cross he should've caught, then the weak claim for the ball he got lucky with in relation to the foul being given. Yes, technically it was a foul, but it didn't inspire confidence in those around him, culminating in the mess by Hickey for the 'suspect' penalty.

He's got more than enough credit in the bank not to lose the shirt over 10 mad minutes but there's definitely work to do on areas of his game.
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

Only the once, but this keeper worries the crap out of me. Its effecting the defence as well now. Hickey and Collins were expecting the keeper to come for the ball yesterday and the Palace game. As others have said he doesn't come out with real conviction.
Flekken could easily point out that the defence is affecting him.
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

I think anyone expecting him to be on the level of Raya was setting themselves up for disappointment really, keepers of David’s quality don’t come cheap

But he won the golden glove in Germany last season and played for the Nerherlands. I was expecting a solid reliable keeper.
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

A guy who I sat next to in the pub watching the game {not a Bees, or Newcastle fan} made the comment :that if he's the Dutch number one, then the current crop of Dutch keepers must be weak. He wasn't being nasty, just making an observation.
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

But he won the golden glove in Germany last season and played for the Netherlands. I was expecting a solid reliable keeper.
He is a good keeper but just had a bad day compounded with poor defending for the goal, Raya was exceptional, But that was what we made him, Work obviously is still needed on Flekken, and I'm sure areas like this will be covered in training, Raya had a shaky start in the first 5 games last season he conceded 7 goals, so far Flekken has only conceded 6, so that's an improvement, And he only conceded a penalty against Newcastle rather than the 5 Raya let in against them later on.

Lets get it in perspective 14 more teams have conceded more goals than us so far, including Man U, Brighton, Newcastle, Villa and six teams scored more, so we are holding our own in the best league in the world, Yesterdays game/result wasn't helped by the abysmal referee, who was more than very poor.

We had and made an exceptional keeper in Raya, He's history and we have to move on, Rather than vilifying Flekken we need to give him our full support, If so called supporters keep on giving him foul abuse on social media, like they are apparently doing, I suggest they change allegiance and go and support QPR!!!
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

Back the fella ffs.
He is our Goalkeeper who has done well so far this season and will improve and become better.
That penalty was cleverly won and not badly given away and the referee did not help him in todays game.
Good to see Ziggys_human does not like the fact that i have said back the keeper.
Would she/non binary prefer me to say booh the motherfkr every time you see him and kick him in the nuts Eric Cartman style ?
Possibly .
But i aint gonna do that.
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

They definitely did a job on MF particularly in the second half to hassle him and to stop him distributing the ball quickly.
The ref unfortunately was poor in this respect.
They played that way at our place last season.
They close you down early and leave a bit in there too.
Wilson is in the keepers face every opportunity and the go lunging in,diving about and are a proper sh*thousery side.
The reffing and officials were weak and Sky commentary,normally good,was appalling.
No BFC representative in the studio of Shay Given and Mr Jamie agree with everything Shay says Redknapp.

Maybe i am a bad loser,but i would never slag my players off from last nights game.
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

There was one in the second half , saw clearly that the ball was going out for a goal kick , he punched , but did he have a call from the defence to leave it.

As for the penalty that was a dodgy decision why did he not stay tight to his post . I don’t think Gordon would have got to the ball and pulled it back

Give the lad a break outfield players can make a number of mistakes , Wissa yesterday, if keepers make a mistake it results in a goal
The bit you was on about was a ball over the top nobody around him and he punches for a corner could of let it go out or catch it he did neither, I don’t think he’s bad just needs to cut out the silly errors
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

I think he came into us ahead of what Raya did when he joined from Blackburn . Raya had some proper howlers and we werent in the Premiership then
I’m getting deja vu
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

It’s obviously ‘Let’s Bash The Keeper’ day. All goalkeepers make mistakes in games. And so do outfield players. Some on here have obviously forgotten our last visit to St James’ Park when Raya gave the ball to the opposition that resulted in them making it 2-0 in that game. He didn’t have a great game that day, either. And please don’t mention his own goal against Hull when he couldn’t control the ball - and his misplaced pass to Raphinia against Leeds with him giving away the penalty. I’m not saying that Raya is any worse or better that Flekken, but it seems to me that we always compare players who have bad performances to the selective memories of those who have had good ones. Give the guy(s) a break and get behind them.
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

Just seen a number of re runs of Flekkins attempt to get the ball, if he had be brave and dive for the ball , he would have got it or got a free kick for Gordon’s challenge , had to be brave
Yeah and give away an indirect free kick for handling a back pass. Great idea
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

There seems to be a lack of communication at times
Indeed, We are only 5 games in and that can be worked on and improved in training, Have faith we will get there in the end, We always do. ? ? ?
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

Indeed. Some teams such as Swansea would target Raya at crosses and corners. Raya was done that way in the 1-1 away at Swansea and they tried the same in the POSF too.
Also iirc first goal away at Boro even though we blew them away afterwards.
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

But he won the golden glove in Germany last season and played for the Nerherlands. I was expecting a solid reliable keeper.
How do you think he achieved both of those things? By NOT being solid and reliable?

Every keeper has a flap or mistake in them, even the most expensive ones. So did Raya in his first season.

He wasn't convincing in parts yesterday, but the longer he's here, the better he'll get. Strakosha isn't the answer.

I'm getting a bit fed up of players almost being written off after a handful of games.
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

Surely Hickey could have been stronger in blocking off Gordon ? A few times this season he has seemed lightweight under pressure.
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

Only the once, but this keeper worries the crap out of me. Its effecting the defence as well now. Hickey and Collins were expecting the keeper to come for the ball yesterday and the Palace game. As others have said he doesn't come out with real conviction.
Strakosha may be a really good keeper, who knows? All I can say is that based on what I’ve seen of him in the two games he’s played, it’s illogical to call for him to be first choice.

Anyway, it’s a pointless debate. Flekken is here to stay as number one,
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

Surely Hickey could have been stronger in blocking off Gordon ? A few times this season he has seemed lightweight under pressure.
I think Hickey was equally culpable in the penalty being given away. He messed up the pass back and was clearly unaware that a Newcastle player was right behind,as he hadn't checked and looked panicked when he saw Gordon was there. Having said all that, it was a clumsy challenge from Flekken and he was lucky to get away with the disallowed goal, when Wilson made minimal contact. Poor performance by Flekken overall and I'd say the jury is still out on whether he's the long term solution to replacing Raya.
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

A guy who I sat next to in the pub watching the game {not a Bees, or Newcastle fan} made the comment :that if he's the Dutch number one, then the current crop of Dutch keepers must be weak. He wasn't being nasty, just making an observation.
He was wrong. Not being nasty just an observation. Raya made lots of errors over the years especially in his early years with us. Flekken is learning just how strong the Prem is, how frantic the football is at times and how little time players have.
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

What mistakes did he make yesterday that led to any significant affect in favour of Newcastle ? Notwithstanding the dubious penalty which was not a mistake of his doing.
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

How do you think he achieved both of those things? By NOT being solid and reliable?

Every keeper has a flap or mistake in them, even the most expensive ones. So did Raya in his first season.

He wasn't convincing in parts yesterday, but the longer he's here, the better he'll get. Strakosha isn't the answer.

I'm getting a bit fed up of players almost being written off after a handful of games.
A curious paradox..
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

He was fouled by Wilson who grabbed his arm, although it was still weak goalkeeping and a let off. The penalty was a nonsense decision, and makes you question what the point of VAR is. Made an excellent save in the first half, and his distribution was average.

His natural inclination is to punch in situations where, with his a 6 foot 6 frame, he should be dominating the area and catching the ball.

The coaching team will improve that and he will be a very different beast by the end of the season, no doubt.
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

Wilson should have been bounced off him and all
around should be wary of the next challenge with him, he speaks well, looks the part and has to be stronger.
Hickey had to do better, he shouldn’t slide and give that Rat Boy a chance to dive, the punch was terrible under no pressure.
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

It’s obviously ‘Let’s Bash The Keeper’ day. All goalkeepers make mistakes in games. And so do outfield players. Some on here have obviously forgotten our last visit to St James’ Park when Raya gave the ball to the opposition that resulted in them making it 2-0 in that game. He didn’t have a great game that day, either. And please don’t mention his own goal against Hull when he couldn’t control the ball - and his misplaced pass to Raphinia against Leeds with him giving away the penalty. I’m not saying that Raya is any worse or better that Flekken, but it seems to me that we always compare players who have bad performances to the selective memories of those who have had good ones. Give the guy(s) a break and get behind them.
Some of those slating Mark were not around for our Championship days.
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

It wasnt a penalty. End of.

He made one flap which resulted in nothing.
Other than that he done ok. There wasnt a great deal for him to do.

Raya was the hardest player to replace .
So far, I'm more positive with his performances than I expected.
His passing is sound.
Hes made a couple of good saves.

Some of the overkill I've read about him especially on Twitter, is beyond bed wetting.
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

But he won the golden glove in Germany last season and played for the Nerherlands. I was expecting a solid reliable keeper.
Let’s give the guy 10 games or so before slating him. For those with short memories Raya did not set the world a light in his early days here
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

Not yet. Raya was not Raya until we developed him. Remember the ‘he’s too small’ debate?
Agree with everything above but then again Raya was 23 when we got him, Flekken is 30. But yes raya took a while to bed in, and had mistakes in him.
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

Raya had an authority in Arse's goal on debut.

Laughable. Post it in Raya’s thread then. So you never made a remark about Raya’s f*** up? Pathetic.
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

He will be fine. He looks a very talented keeper. We know from experience that players coming from foreign leagues need time to get used to the quality and intensity of the PL. With a little bit of patience and intense coaching he will quickly get to Raya’s level and consistency.

Maybe it shows how higher standard the PL is compared with the Bundesliga?
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

Also came for one and dropped it.
Had that been Flekken we would have been told that hes not good enough, not sure why we bought him, Nikki Bull is better etc etc
Was this the one that the referee blew up for the foul on him by the Everton player? Genuine question as I was only half watching the game. I saw the incident where he was fouled, was there another?
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

Was this the one that the referee blew up for the foul on him by the Everton player? Genuine question as I was only half watching the game. I saw the incident where he was fouled, was there another?
It was, but he dropped it way before he waa "fouled"
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

I'm pretty pleased with Flekken so far. He'll need time to adapt and work it out it out with the defence. We need a settled back 4/5. With the addition of the promising Collins we are a bit at sixes and sevens at times like when Pontus came back into the team at the end of last season.
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

Flekken was out defending his goal.

Then Gordon, renowned for his ability to seemingly fall over and appear fouled, deliberately turns his back on Flekken, ensures his feet become entangled, and falls over Flekken.

Not a foul, not a penalty, just some officials pandering to the Geordies.

All the above questioning Flekken’s ability is nonsense.

Some seem to have forgotten Raya’s enormous mistake in positioning to allow Fulham to score and take the lead, and then win, in the Championship play-off final in 2020.
That was a huge and very costly error by Raya, way beyond anything Flekken has done.
 

Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

I feel crazy for thinking the disallowed goal was the right decision. He hooked Flekken's arm.
Goalkeepers can use there arms and hands to play the ball. If you hooked a players leg as they made an attempt to kick the ball it would also be a foul.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom