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Hippobee said:
He's not great. He's not awful. He must have something about him to be Dutch no. 1.

I would just say though, people say good keepers can be worth 10 points a season. I've seen no evidence to back that up with MF.
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He isn't. He played games recently and was absolutely slatted for the same issues we are seeing.

Has now been dropped from the National team.

It's hardly positive
 
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BFC1997 said:
1) Worth a lot more than 12-15m
2) We have our own young goalkeeper in that mould in Matt Cox
3) Not “without doubt a far better keeper than Flekken” he’s pleasing on the eye but makes errors
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I'm not sure about the price, I still think £15m would buy him and if we could sell Flekken for around £8m would you take it?
I certainly would I know it's pure speculation, Burnley would need to be relegated to make it happen and that's not certain yet.
So okay, what about this, Arsenal have to pay us £27m in the summer how about Ramsdale instead? Yes please.
 

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De gea is currently on nothing so he doesn’t necessarily command any particular wage but regardless I don’t think he’s someone we would ever look at and quite right imo
 

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fredpage said:
I'm not sure about the price, I still think £15m would buy him and if we could sell Flekken for around £8m would you take it?
I certainly would I know it's pure speculation, Burnley would need to be relegated to make it happen and that's not certain yet.
So okay, what about this, Arsenal have to pay us £27m in the summer how about Ramsdale instead? Yes please.
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Trafford was bought for more than that the summer just gone, it wouldn’t buy him now.

Ramsdale would have a salary beyond our means. And he had a disaster at the Gtech, worse than anything Flekken has served up this season.
 

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Isleworth_Bee said:
Any suggestions?
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Kasper Schmeichel possibly as mentioned by other posters as wants to return to premier league,and with our danish connections and connections to anderlect could see this happening.
Ramsdale on loan possibly im sure plenty of others.
But it is a major worry that since our previous goalie coach left for arsenal a few years ago our keeper recruitment has been very poor considering fernandez lossl starkosha,and they haven't improved with coaching.
So seriously worried they will get it wrong again.
Seems the whole goalkeeping dept recruitment and coaching needs lookinf at as something is not right.
 

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davewfilms said:
Kasper Schmeichel possibly as mentioned by other posters as wants to return to premier league,and with our danish connections and connections to anderlect could see this happening.
Ramsdale on loan possibly im sure plenty of others.
But it is a major worry that since our previous goalie coach left for arsenal a few years ago our keeper recruitment has been very poor considering fernandez lossl starkosha,and they haven't improved with coaching.
So seriously worried they will get it wrong again.
Seems the whole goalkeeping dept recruitment and coaching needs lookinf at as something is not right.
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neither of them IMO are realistic options.

FWIW Arsenal fans I know are slating every other keeper signed since our coach left for arsenal, not just Raya but other back up keepers. So it’s not just us. They reckon their 3rd choice signed on the recommendation of our ex coach is crap.
 

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BFC1997 said:
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Ramsdale would have a salary beyond our means. And he had a disaster at the Gtech, worse than anything Flekken has served up this season.
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He's had more shut outs at the Gtech this season then Flekken has....
 

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For one reason or another Flekken isn’t doing it at the moment. Defensive can’t feel that secure with him behind them at the moment. I do hope he comes good but wouldn’t put money on it.?
 

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davewfilms said:
Kasper Schmeichel possibly as mentioned by other posters as wants to return to premier league,and with our danish connections and connections to anderlect could see this happening.
Ramsdale on loan possibly im sure plenty of others.
But it is a major worry that since our previous goalie coach left for arsenal a few years ago our keeper recruitment has been very poor considering fernandez lossl starkosha,and they haven't improved with coaching.
So seriously worried they will get it wrong again.
Seems the whole goalkeeping dept recruitment and coaching needs lookinf at as something is not right.
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Does Schmeichel come with a zimmer frame?
 

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Flekken personifies the old adage that football fans can forgive most anything except lack of effort. And that’s the perception that it’s hard to get over with him. His body language and the ‘optics’ of his goalkeeping are just diabolical. So however much he might care and however hard he might work off the pitch, time and again his weird immobility just makes it look like he secretly wants to show the defence up. Or something. Even those defending him on here have to admit that the club got this one wrong. It is completely baffling to me that they don’t give Strakosha a run given his pedigree. (I watched him scores of times for Lazio and he is an excellent, agile shot-stopper. Which are not words anyone can associate with Flekken this season.)
 

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Cobbett said:
Flekken personifies the old adage that football fans can forgive most anything except lack of effort. And that’s the perception that it’s hard to get over with him. His body language and the ‘optics’ of his goalkeeping are just diabolical. So however much he might care and however hard he might work off the pitch, time and again his weird immobility just makes it look like he secretly wants to show the defence up. Or something. Even those defending him on here have to admit that the club got this one wrong. It is completely baffling to me that they don’t give Strakosha a run given his pedigree. (I watched him scores of times for Lazio and he is an excellent, agile shot-stopper. Which are not words anyone can associate with Flekken this season.)
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Totally agree what does flekken have to do to get dropped, I feel for strakosha as he must be thinking the same!
 

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Cobbett said:
Flekken personifies the old adage that football fans can forgive most anything except lack of effort. And that’s the perception that it’s hard to get over with him. His body language and the ‘optics’ of his goalkeeping are just diabolical. So however much he might care and however hard he might work off the pitch, time and again his weird immobility just makes it look like he secretly wants to show the defence up. Or something. Even those defending him on here have to admit that the club got this one wrong. It is completely baffling to me that they don’t give Strakosha a run given his pedigree. (I watched him scores of times for Lazio and he is an excellent, agile shot-stopper. Which are not words anyone can associate with Flekken this season.)
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As a member of the GK union I agree re movement and mobility. I’m sure most keepers would have dived for a lot of the shots he has faced. And he often doesn’t stretch his arms fully with shots closer to him. I’d like to see him catch more shots than parry them. Perhaps he needs glasses.
 

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Promised to not post again and will not do again even as a result of flack this will produce. Flekken is a goal keeper not in command of his area and I suggest does not have the confidence of hie team mates
 

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Les Beeavinu said:
Having read your updates when we're losing, it makes me wonder why you bother then.
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A lot more supportive and objective than some of yours. You don't have a monopoly of wisdom or self righteousness.
 

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b42long.... said:
Totally agree what does flekken have to do to get dropped, I feel for strakosha as he must be thinking the same!
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I realise I am repeating myself (possibly quite tediously) yet again here and it is seen as heresy on here to say one word against TF, but he made a serious mistake when he took over by a) recalling Bentley in his first game in charge after his nightmare start to the season and b) keeping faith with him when his form didn’t improve, despite the fact we had a perfectly capable no. 2 at the time.

I am led to believe by important people on here that the ability to play football is more significant than saving shots these days.

However, I hope that this is not one of TF’s blind spots. At the very least he should be considering a change, unlike five years ago when eventually he was forced into one by injury.
 
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I must admit there hasn’t been many PL keepers that have impressed this season , Matt Turners performance against United was abysmal but let’s just keep slagging off our own who hasn’t had a settled defence in front of him all season .
 

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It seems kind of crazy for us to have spent £11m last summer on a goalkeeper who turns 31 this year but looks miles off the finished article. Being kind you might say he's a work in progress, but at his age he simply looks to be at a lower ability than we require in this league. Which is very disappointing as he seems like a likeable bloke.

I don't blame Flekken for any of this - he's as good as he is. This is more down to the scouting or recruitment departments, or simply down to bad luck with the goals conceded combined with a lack of confidence. I wonder what the average distance each shot we've faced is compared to last season, as we seem to have conceded goals very close in this year.

There looks to have been better ways to have spent our goalkeeping budget - either more seasoned GKs like Leno, more robust ones like José Sa, or ones with great potential like Vicario at Spurs.

Flekken's distribution is excellent... but this is a season where we knew we'd be without a physical presence up front for half the games, whilst we seen to be very slow and timid in building play up from the back despite Flekken's obvious ability passing around his area.

What we needed was goalkeeping solidity but he's another in a rather depressing line of curious goalkeeping signings - Strakosha, Alvaro, etc. - since promotion. Hopefully it is just a confidence thing at this point and he'll come good in the second half of the season.
 

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Remember the famous Tony Mowbray chat to Raya when he returned to Blackburn with the Bees.
What have they done to you, you are catching the ball now. If you played like that for us we would never have sold you or asked Brentford for 6 million, was the gist.
Sometimes it’s the raw materials that need honing.
Plus points from Saturday Flekken claimed a cross when you wondered if he would when lofted in first half.
Then a flying punch 8 yards out to the right wing cross second half.
Work in progress, he’s going nowhere, for me he needs to show he’s in charge of that defence by telling Mee Pinnock and Collins what’s what. Perceptions are not truth, but it appears we have a quiet keeper.
Raya jabbered constantly and got involved even if not required.
Flekken needs to find his voice and confidence in January, the rest of what we scouted should follow.
 

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Hopefully Strakosha gets the call up for Wolves on Friday! Think we need to be looking at our options for sure.
 

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Good lord, can’t believe we are actually talking about de gea, the same keeper that was binned by unt because he has zero ability with his feet, can’t pass out with his feet, can’t take a ball to his feet and is seen as player who does not fit in the modern game.

Our bloke does, but he hasn’t made a single brilliant save yet like Raya used to in every game. He probably hasn’t won us a single point yet with a great save, but we seem to trust him and what he is doing. As soon as we win a few games the scape goat hunters will forget all about him I suspect.

hanworthbee said:
De gea is currently on nothing so he doesn’t necessarily command any particular wage but regardless I don’t think he’s someone we would ever look at and quite right imo
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mhead bee said:
Good lord, can’t believe we are actually talking about de gea, the same keeper that was binned by unt because he has zero ability with his feet, can’t pass out with his feet, can’t take a ball to his feet and is seen as player who does not fit in the modern game.

Our bloke does, but he hasn’t made a single brilliant save yet like Raya used to in every game. He probably hasn’t won us a single point yet with a great save, but we seem to trust him and what he is doing. As soon as we win a few games the scape goat hunters will forget all about him I suspect.
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When I look at what De Gea has done in the last fifteen years and what Flekken has done this season, I know who I would rather have between the sticks right now but each to their own.

De Gea is one of the best goalkeepers of this generation and yes playing it out with his feet is not his strong point, but to say he has "zero ability with his feet" is a bit over the top, in my opinion. We've seen Allison make mistakes with his feet?

We'll never sign him anyway, but no doubt he'll have had plenty of offers from top clubs.
 

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LP_Brentford said:
When I look at what De Gea has done in the last fifteen years and what Flekken has done this season, I know who I would rather have between the sticks right now but each to their own.

De Gea is one of the best goalkeepers of this generation and yes playing it out with his feet is not his strong point, but to say he has "zero ability with his feet" is a bit over the top, in my opinion. We've seen Allison make mistakes with his feet?

We'll never sign him anyway, but no doubt he'll have had plenty of offers from top clubs.
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De Gea goalkeeping ability is streets ahead of Flekken on current viewing. On the flip side, Flekken is probably the best with his feet in the league, alongside Alison and Edersen
 

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De Gea was the highest paid keeper in football history 6 months ago on a reported £350k a week.
 

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Guildford Bee said:
Evening Standard reporting that we want to sign another keeper

www.standard.co.uk

Brentford set out clear transfer priority ahead of busy January window

Bees need reinforcements amid injuries and bad run of form
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk
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Wonder how true that article is?

If we assume it is near to some level of correctness then it indicates that our often injured/ unfit trio of Goode, Josh and Baptiste are now surplus to requirements as is Balcombe, and Cox is not considered ready to challenge the number 1 and 2 keepers. Could all be nonsense but it has a believable level of reality about it.

One way or another you get the feeling this transfer window and the summer one could see quite a lot of changes to the squad
 

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LP_Brentford said:
When I look at what De Gea has done in the last fifteen years and what Flekken has done this season, I know who I would rather have between the sticks right now but each to their own.
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that is because you are knee jerking over the last 2-3 games and the club is looking at how modern football is played over the next 5-10 years.
brentfordfc4ever said:
De Gea goalkeeping ability is streets ahead of Flekken on current viewing. On the flip side, Flekken is probably the best with his feet in the league, alongside Alison and Edersen
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A bit of a contradiction, De Gea is streets ahead but Flekken is the 2-3rd best at one of the most important aspects of the position.
 

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Stanley said:
Wonder how true that article is?

If we assume it is near to some level of correctness then it indicates that our often injured/ unfit trio of Goode, Josh and Baptiste are now surplus to requirements as is Balcombe, and Cox is not considered ready to challenge the number 1 and 2 keepers. Could all be nonsense but it has a believable level of reality about it.

One way or another you get the feeling this transfer window and the summer one could see quite a lot of changes to the squad
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Yep, who knows. Could be a lot of guesswork but it also all seems pretty plausible to me.

I just can’t see that TF and co can be happy with the way things have gone with Flekken thus far.
 

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mhead bee said:
that is because you are knee jerking over the last 2-3 games and the club is looking at how modern football is played over the next 5-10 years.


A bit of a contradiction, De Gea is streets ahead but Flekken is the 2-3rd best at one of the most important aspects of the position.
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I mean De Gea's overall package as a goalkeeper is better.

De Gea can still pass the ball.

Might as well wrap this one up. It isn't happening. Ever.
 

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mhead bee said:
that is because you are knee jerking over the last 2-3 games and the club is looking at how modern football is played over the next 5-10 years.


A bit of a contradiction, De Gea is streets ahead but Flekken is the 2-3rd best at one of the most important aspects of the position.
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I'm not "knee jerking over the last 2-3 games" and instead it is based upon the majority of games he has played this season. :sorted:
 

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LP_Brentford said:
I'm not "knee jerking over the last 2-3 games" and instead it is based upon the majority of games he has played this season. :sorted:
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If you would rather see De Gea mis-controlling back passes, watching our defenders slash clearances into the crowd rather then trust his feet and roll it back to rebuild a move, watch the ball being hoofed up to Wissa and Potter rather then dinked into Jenson's feet and watch every goal kick go long rather then build from the back then you are supporting the wrong club.
 

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mhead bee said:
If you would rather see De Gea mis-controlling back passes, watching our defenders slash clearances into the crowd rather then trust his feet and roll it back to rebuild a move, watch the ball being hoofed up to Wissa and Potter rather then dinked into Jenson's feet and watch every goal kick go long rather then build from the back then you are supporting the wrong club.
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OK.

Let's find a goalkeeper that can do both. Save and pass.
 

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mhead bee said:
If you would rather see De Gea mis-controlling back passes, watching our defenders slash clearances into the crowd rather then trust his feet and roll it back to rebuild a move, watch the ball being hoofed up to Wissa and Potter rather then dinked into Jenson's feet and watch every goal kick go long rather then build from the back then you are supporting the wrong club.
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What are you on about... :ROFLMAO:

I'm not Flekkens biggest fan as he has made basic mistakes this season, unsure why that means I am supporting the wrong club...:ROFLMAO:
 
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