MotD

[savvy 2210]

They can't even have someone saying: "and next...."

The BBC has lost this. Expect the Chair and DG to go within 48 hours and we are all back to normal next weekend.

If they don't go then it will be an interesting PM Question Time on Wednesday where the PM will basically say WTF are the BBC doing

PM Question Time will be a sidestep by the PM. ' Nothing to do with me. BBC problem, up to them to sort it out.' Unless concrete proof that the Cons were directly involved, then it's just the newspapers going over the same thing using different wording.

 

[Twickenhamben]

They can't even have someone saying: "and next...."

The BBC has lost this. Expect the Chair and DG to go within 48 hours and we are all back to normal next weekend.

If they don't go then it will be an interesting PM Question Time on Wednesday where the PM will basically say WTF are the BBC doing

Would be very surprised if the Chair and DG go….. they are political appointments and this government would rather let the BBC implode than back down (indeed implosion is their preferred option).

 

[horshambees]

And the BUF 'Hurrah for the Blackshirts' (Daily Mail)

I see BFC1997 finds your comments and mine funny.
I wonder if he would care to elaborate.
I don't think the government of Germany in the 30s is a laughing matter.

 

[nathanbee]

So, all those who were saying it’s better without pundits : How’s it going?

Let’s face it, the only reason we watch or listen to football shows is to get validation of our own views… ie we played really well, we were robbed, that was never an red card etc etc.
People on social media saying “it’s so much better blah blah blah” have largely been politicians or political journalists who should “keep out of football and stick to politics’ ?

 

[sid]

Lineker £1.6million.
Shearer £450.00.
Wright £250.00.
Sack em and get in others
who would get £50.000
you would have a queue
from Lands End to John O
Groats wanting their jobs.

 

[pompeybee]

I don't get why they didn't even do the title music sequence.

Because it would have been longer than the programme itself?

 

[N5022N122]

Not being into unions but quite impressed by the solidarity seemingly being shown by technicians and talent here on this topic.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Much prefer the format last night, I’m an anorak and know who scored, who passed, who ballsed up and how a certain save was crucial without being told over and over again. I don’t need help crossing the road yet and no need for expensive Gaz and Al telling that save was good and the other saying that the forward should have done better etc, loads saying the same and apparently they fast forward through the noise too.

 

[Banana]

Much prefer the format last night, I’m an anorak and know who scored, who passed, who ballsed up and how a certain save was crucial without being told over and over again. I don’t need help crossing the road yet and no need for expensive Gaz and Al telling that save was good and the other saying that the forward should have done better etc, loads saying the same and apparently they fast forward through the noise too.

You can always watch the highlights on YouTube. They've always been available and way before 10:30 too.

 

[CTBee]

Much prefer the format last night, I’m an anorak and know who scored, who passed, who ballsed up and how a certain save was crucial without being told over and over again. I don’t need help crossing the road yet and no need for expensive Gaz and Al telling that save was good and the other saying that the forward should have done better etc, loads saying the same and apparently they fast forward through the noise too.

There's no need for the programme then? Everyone can just watch the highlights on YouTube.

 

[Banana]

There's no need for the programme then? Everyone can just watch the highlights on YouTube.

Indeed, or watch YouTube if you are clever and just leave MotD for the dumb people (as many do)

 

[westendbee]

Lineker £1.6million.
Shearer £450.00.
Wright £250.00.
Sack em and get in others
who would get £50.000
you would have a queue
from Lands End to John O
Groats wanting their jobs.

Yes let’s have MOTD presented by Thogden, with detailed insights from that Fulham bloke on YouTube, I’m sure that would work well

 

[jlove]

Lineker £1.6million.
Shearer £450.00.
Wright £250.00.
Sack em and get in others
who would get £50.000
you would have a queue
from Lands End to John O
Groats wanting their jobs.

I'm not sure what that's got to do with what is going on...

 

[NorthamptonBee]

You can always watch the highlights on YouTube. They've always been available and way before 10:30 too.

I watch the FL highlights at 09.40, when I catch up I watch MOTD until I catch up, go back to FL and back to MOTD afterwards.
I used to stand on doors or get drunk and chase women but now this is usually my Saturday night!? I spend all night not wanting to listen to boring analysis.
This saves diving in and out of YT and adverts, talking of adverts if you watch the FL highlights on Sky, just say skip 3 mins into your remote at advert breaks and enjoy the jump.

 

[kenbee]

I think we need to remember when assessing MOTD,that whilst GPG members regularly watch football live,albeit mainly only Brentford games and have a very good knowledge of football,many viewers rarely or ever go to games,but have an interest in football an appreciate the analysis from the pundits

 

[Banana]

Gary Lineker’s suspension for expressing political views set off an avalanche of comparisons with other BBC stars who have not been similarly sanctioned for lacking impartiality.

Some were obvious: Lord Sugar of The Apprentice, whose 18 years of firing people have been punctuated by political outbursts, from newspaper interviews calling on people to vote Conservative to tweeting a mocked-up image of Jeremy Corbyn sitting next to Adolf Hitler.


Others were more obscure: Dame Mary Berry, the doyenne of TV cookery shows, has expressed scepticism about the government’s sugar tax in interviews and called for changes to the national curriculum to include cooking skills. They, like Lineker, were not journalists so shouldn’t be expected to adopt monastic levels of impartiality away from their jobs, political commentators argued.

Armando Iannucci, creator of the satirical series The Thick Of It, told the Observer that Tim Davie, the BBC director general, should reset the clock: “If I was Tim Davie, I’d come out of Broadcasting House and say, ‘Everything I’ve done in the last four days – forget it. I was under pressure. Pretend it didn’t happen. I’m going to have a bath for the rest of the weekend’.”

He raised the example of Michael Portillo, the former Conservative cabinet minister who has spent many of the past 14 years making shows such as Great Continental Railway Journeys, while also talking politics in newspaper columns.

“If Michael Portillo did his train programme and it was all very lovely down the Amalfi coast and he said ‘the great beauty of this train service is that it’s privatised, once again showing that it’s the free market that delivers the best sort of service to the customer’, then you think ‘he’s crossing the line here’,” Iannucci said.

Other stars who have expressed views include Nadiya Hussain, who won The Great British Bake Off when Berry was a judge, and became a popular TV chef hosting shows including Nadiya’s Family Favourites. In 2018, she posted a tweet calling Theresa May “a monster” for ordering an airstrike in Syria. She quickly deleted it and the BBC brushed off the matter saying she was “not a BBC staff member and her personal social media accounts are not connected to her work as a BBC presenter”.

Richard Osman, creator of Pointless and presenter of House of Games, said in 2019 that he believed the Tories wanted to sell off the NHS bit by bit.

Baroness Brady, an adviser on The Apprentice, is a Conservative peer and has a column in the Sun, last week writing to support the equalities minister Kemi Badenoch’s decision not to make the menopause a protected characteristic. Claude Littner, another Sugar associate, lambasted a Twitter user in 2019 as “an ignoramus! Under Labour, the money will run out”.

Other presenters, like Lineker, have attacked government policy. Martin Lewis, who has a weekly show on BBC Radio 5 Live, campaigns to change government policies, including most recently warning of an “act of national mental health harm” if energy bills were allowed to rise.

Martin Lewis has a weekly show on BBC Radio 5 Live, and has campaigned against energy policy. Photograph: Antonio Olmos/The Guardian
Rob Rinder, the TV judge, is co-presenting a new documentary airing soon on BBC Two called The Holy Land And Us, about families with Jewish and Palestinian heritage. He campaigns on homelessness for Shelter and last year criticised the government for its slow response to the Ukrainian refugee crisis.

Gabby Logan, the sports presenter, asked why the government wasn’t tackling racism in a Twitter exchange with then-junior minister Natalie Elphicke in 2021. Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall is a Green party campaigner, but Hugh’s Wild West continues to run. Vanessa Feltz had a Radio 2 show and also criticised Boris Johnson for failing to ban conversion therapy while prime minister in 2021.

 

[WarrenBee]

MOTD2 to go out with a reduced format tonight.
I found MOTD alright last night, straight to the action, no waffle, and best of all no Danny "Tarquin" Murphy!

 

[barry]

Much better without lineker &
others , this morning.

 

[hanworthbee]

I usually watch motd2...prefer to see all the goals but do like some analysis

 

[Les Beeavinu]

The people who don't like MotD have a multitude of options so presumably can switch to that if they don't like the format. I do like MotD so would very much like it back to normal.

 

[Invipai]

People can watch highlights on YouTube easily ahead of time....but people like the tradition of MotD and watch it for that reason. I'm one of those and usually avoid watching Twitter goals as a result until then.

Politicians and right wing journos saying they loved it is laughable....none of them would be watching normally and it is so transparent.

Rishi trying to distance the Gov from it is equally as ridiculous given their public pressure on Gary led to all of this!

 

[horshambees]

Lineker £1.6million.
Shearer £450.00.
Wright £250.00.
Sack em and get in others
who would get £50.000
you would have a queue
from Lands End to John O
Groats wanting their jobs.

Sack em and they all move elsewhere.
And then you will get angry with what they earn there because the press will feed you that information.
Maybe that is what you want.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Gary Lineker’s suspension for expressing political views set off an avalanche of comparisons with other BBC stars who have not been similarly sanctioned for lacking impartiality.

Some were obvious: Lord Sugar of The Apprentice, whose 18 years of firing people have been punctuated by political outbursts, from newspaper interviews calling on people to vote Conservative to tweeting a mocked-up image of Jeremy Corbyn sitting next to Adolf Hitler.


Others were more obscure: Dame Mary Berry, the doyenne of TV cookery shows, has expressed scepticism about the government’s sugar tax in interviews and called for changes to the national curriculum to include cooking skills. They, like Lineker, were not journalists so shouldn’t be expected to adopt monastic levels of impartiality away from their jobs, political commentators argued.

Armando Iannucci, creator of the satirical series The Thick Of It, told the Observer that Tim Davie, the BBC director general, should reset the clock: “If I was Tim Davie, I’d come out of Broadcasting House and say, ‘Everything I’ve done in the last four days – forget it. I was under pressure. Pretend it didn’t happen. I’m going to have a bath for the rest of the weekend’.”

He raised the example of Michael Portillo, the former Conservative cabinet minister who has spent many of the past 14 years making shows such as Great Continental Railway Journeys, while also talking politics in newspaper columns.

“If Michael Portillo did his train programme and it was all very lovely down the Amalfi coast and he said ‘the great beauty of this train service is that it’s privatised, once again showing that it’s the free market that delivers the best sort of service to the customer’, then you think ‘he’s crossing the line here’,” Iannucci said.

Other stars who have expressed views include Nadiya Hussain, who won The Great British Bake Off when Berry was a judge, and became a popular TV chef hosting shows including Nadiya’s Family Favourites. In 2018, she posted a tweet calling Theresa May “a monster” for ordering an airstrike in Syria. She quickly deleted it and the BBC brushed off the matter saying she was “not a BBC staff member and her personal social media accounts are not connected to her work as a BBC presenter”.

Richard Osman, creator of Pointless and presenter of House of Games, said in 2019 that he believed the Tories wanted to sell off the NHS bit by bit.

Baroness Brady, an adviser on The Apprentice, is a Conservative peer and has a column in the Sun, last week writing to support the equalities minister Kemi Badenoch’s decision not to make the menopause a protected characteristic. Claude Littner, another Sugar associate, lambasted a Twitter user in 2019 as “an ignoramus! Under Labour, the money will run out”.

Other presenters, like Lineker, have attacked government policy. Martin Lewis, who has a weekly show on BBC Radio 5 Live, campaigns to change government policies, including most recently warning of an “act of national mental health harm” if energy bills were allowed to rise.

Martin Lewis has a weekly show on BBC Radio 5 Live, and has campaigned against energy policy. Photograph: Antonio Olmos/The Guardian
Rob Rinder, the TV judge, is co-presenting a new documentary airing soon on BBC Two called The Holy Land And Us, about families with Jewish and Palestinian heritage. He campaigns on homelessness for Shelter and last year criticised the government for its slow response to the Ukrainian refugee crisis.

Gabby Logan, the sports presenter, asked why the government wasn’t tackling racism in a Twitter exchange with then-junior minister Natalie Elphicke in 2021. Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall is a Green party campaigner, but Hugh’s Wild West continues to run. Vanessa Feltz had a Radio 2 show and also criticised Boris Johnson for failing to ban conversion therapy while prime minister in 2021.

He said it first sir, he said it first….?

 

[Nickabee]

And the BUF 'Hurrah for the Blackshirts' (Daily Mail)

Blackshirts - what his said about Crystal Palace? Does he not know about the threading assassin

 

[BFC1997]

I see BFC1997 finds your comments and mine funny.
I wonder if he would care to elaborate.
I don't think the government of Germany in the 30s is a laughing matter.

I found your posts amusing for several reasons but because your comments were overtly political, my response would take this thread in the wrong direction.

I would note that this forum is supposed to be “politics free” and in particular this thread is supposed to be moderated aggressively. Obviously that policy is applied selectively.

 

[Mark H]

Gary Lineker’s suspension for expressing political views set off an avalanche of comparisons with other BBC stars who have not been similarly sanctioned for lacking impartiality.

Some were obvious: Lord Sugar of The Apprentice, whose 18 years of firing people have been punctuated by political outbursts, from newspaper interviews calling on people to vote Conservative to tweeting a mocked-up image of Jeremy Corbyn sitting next to Adolf Hitler.


Others were more obscure: Dame Mary Berry, the doyenne of TV cookery shows, has expressed scepticism about the government’s sugar tax in interviews and called for changes to the national curriculum to include cooking skills. They, like Lineker, were not journalists so shouldn’t be expected to adopt monastic levels of impartiality away from their jobs, political commentators argued.

Armando Iannucci, creator of the satirical series The Thick Of It, told the Observer that Tim Davie, the BBC director general, should reset the clock: “If I was Tim Davie, I’d come out of Broadcasting House and say, ‘Everything I’ve done in the last four days – forget it. I was under pressure. Pretend it didn’t happen. I’m going to have a bath for the rest of the weekend’.”

He raised the example of Michael Portillo, the former Conservative cabinet minister who has spent many of the past 14 years making shows such as Great Continental Railway Journeys, while also talking politics in newspaper columns.

“If Michael Portillo did his train programme and it was all very lovely down the Amalfi coast and he said ‘the great beauty of this train service is that it’s privatised, once again showing that it’s the free market that delivers the best sort of service to the customer’, then you think ‘he’s crossing the line here’,” Iannucci said.

Other stars who have expressed views include Nadiya Hussain, who won The Great British Bake Off when Berry was a judge, and became a popular TV chef hosting shows including Nadiya’s Family Favourites. In 2018, she posted a tweet calling Theresa May “a monster” for ordering an airstrike in Syria. She quickly deleted it and the BBC brushed off the matter saying she was “not a BBC staff member and her personal social media accounts are not connected to her work as a BBC presenter”.

Richard Osman, creator of Pointless and presenter of House of Games, said in 2019 that he believed the Tories wanted to sell off the NHS bit by bit.

Baroness Brady, an adviser on The Apprentice, is a Conservative peer and has a column in the Sun, last week writing to support the equalities minister Kemi Badenoch’s decision not to make the menopause a protected characteristic. Claude Littner, another Sugar associate, lambasted a Twitter user in 2019 as “an ignoramus! Under Labour, the money will run out”.

Other presenters, like Lineker, have attacked government policy. Martin Lewis, who has a weekly show on BBC Radio 5 Live, campaigns to change government policies, including most recently warning of an “act of national mental health harm” if energy bills were allowed to rise.

Martin Lewis has a weekly show on BBC Radio 5 Live, and has campaigned against energy policy. Photograph: Antonio Olmos/The Guardian
Rob Rinder, the TV judge, is co-presenting a new documentary airing soon on BBC Two called The Holy Land And Us, about families with Jewish and Palestinian heritage. He campaigns on homelessness for Shelter and last year criticised the government for its slow response to the Ukrainian refugee crisis.

Gabby Logan, the sports presenter, asked why the government wasn’t tackling racism in a Twitter exchange with then-junior minister Natalie Elphicke in 2021. Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall is a Green party campaigner, but Hugh’s Wild West continues to run. Vanessa Feltz had a Radio 2 show and also criticised Boris Johnson for failing to ban conversion therapy while prime minister in 2021.

Add to this.

Professor Brian Cox, who’s has build his profile by fronting many BBC science programs that have gone worldwide and made the Beeb lots of money has been very outspoken on the governments funding in science since Brexit.

Btw I am a big fan of him.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

I found your posts amusing for several reasons but because your comments were overtly political, my response would take this thread in the wrong direction.

I would note that this forum is supposed to be “politics free” and in particular this thread is supposed to be moderated aggressively. Obviously that policy is applied selectively.

It shouldn't be open. As it's been decided it is, I'm leaving it to others to moderate.

 

[jlove]

Gary Lineker’s suspension for expressing political views set off an avalanche of comparisons with other BBC stars who have not been similarly sanctioned for lacking impartiality.

Some were obvious: ...

The key difference between Lineker and those others is the sheer numbers that follow him, the vast majority of which have no interests in the machinations of politics but are now engaged. It could've been just ignored and all blown over quickly but the Daily Heil (non-dom owned) made a terrible error in making an issue of it, particularly ironic given its own choice of words, so the BBC had to respond. This is person that the 4th Viscount Rothermere and his collaborators can't control with their furious tirades, making him extremely dangerous to them.

 

[BFC1997]

The people who don't like MotD have a multitude of options so presumably can switch to that if they don't like the format. I do like MotD so would very much like it back to normal.

But tbf MOTD is the one which is free-to-air and ad-free.

I quite liked the shorter running time yesterday and the focus being on the action. But the lack of commentary was definitely an issue. Was missing that at least.

 

[Hippobee]

Gary Lineker’s suspension for expressing political views set off an avalanche of comparisons with other BBC stars who have not been similarly sanctioned for lacking impartiality.

Some were obvious: Lord Sugar of The Apprentice, whose 18 years of firing people have been punctuated by political outbursts, from newspaper interviews calling on people to vote Conservative to tweeting a mocked-up image of Jeremy Corbyn sitting next to Adolf Hitler.


Others were more obscure: Dame Mary Berry, the doyenne of TV cookery shows, has expressed scepticism about the government’s sugar tax in interviews and called for changes to the national curriculum to include cooking skills. They, like Lineker, were not journalists so shouldn’t be expected to adopt monastic levels of impartiality away from their jobs, political commentators argued.

Armando Iannucci, creator of the satirical series The Thick Of It, told the Observer that Tim Davie, the BBC director general, should reset the clock: “If I was Tim Davie, I’d come out of Broadcasting House and say, ‘Everything I’ve done in the last four days – forget it. I was under pressure. Pretend it didn’t happen. I’m going to have a bath for the rest of the weekend’.”

He raised the example of Michael Portillo, the former Conservative cabinet minister who has spent many of the past 14 years making shows such as Great Continental Railway Journeys, while also talking politics in newspaper columns.

“If Michael Portillo did his train programme and it was all very lovely down the Amalfi coast and he said ‘the great beauty of this train service is that it’s privatised, once again showing that it’s the free market that delivers the best sort of service to the customer’, then you think ‘he’s crossing the line here’,” Iannucci said.

Other stars who have expressed views include Nadiya Hussain, who won The Great British Bake Off when Berry was a judge, and became a popular TV chef hosting shows including Nadiya’s Family Favourites. In 2018, she posted a tweet calling Theresa May “a monster” for ordering an airstrike in Syria. She quickly deleted it and the BBC brushed off the matter saying she was “not a BBC staff member and her personal social media accounts are not connected to her work as a BBC presenter”.

Richard Osman, creator of Pointless and presenter of House of Games, said in 2019 that he believed the Tories wanted to sell off the NHS bit by bit.

Baroness Brady, an adviser on The Apprentice, is a Conservative peer and has a column in the Sun, last week writing to support the equalities minister Kemi Badenoch’s decision not to make the menopause a protected characteristic. Claude Littner, another Sugar associate, lambasted a Twitter user in 2019 as “an ignoramus! Under Labour, the money will run out”.

Other presenters, like Lineker, have attacked government policy. Martin Lewis, who has a weekly show on BBC Radio 5 Live, campaigns to change government policies, including most recently warning of an “act of national mental health harm” if energy bills were allowed to rise.

Martin Lewis has a weekly show on BBC Radio 5 Live, and has campaigned against energy policy. Photograph: Antonio Olmos/The Guardian
Rob Rinder, the TV judge, is co-presenting a new documentary airing soon on BBC Two called The Holy Land And Us, about families with Jewish and Palestinian heritage. He campaigns on homelessness for Shelter and last year criticised the government for its slow response to the Ukrainian refugee crisis.

Gabby Logan, the sports presenter, asked why the government wasn’t tackling racism in a Twitter exchange with then-junior minister Natalie Elphicke in 2021. Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall is a Green party campaigner, but Hugh’s Wild West continues to run. Vanessa Feltz had a Radio 2 show and also criticised Boris Johnson for failing to ban conversion therapy while prime minister in 2021.

I thought you decided to re-open this thread as it was 'football related'?

Not too much football-related or even about MotD on this post? A lot of whataboutery, though. Thought we went down this route on the now-closed Lineker thread?

 

[NorthamptonBee]

But tbf MOTD is the one which is free-to-air and ad-free.

I quite liked the shorter running time yesterday and the focus being on the action. But the lack of commentary was definitely an issue. Was missing that at least.

Yep, agree 100%, get the comms on for the folk that need it.

 

[Banana]

I found your posts amusing for several reasons but because your comments were overtly political, my response would take this thread in the wrong direction.

I would note that this forum is supposed to be “politics free” and in particular this thread is supposed to be moderated aggressively. Obviously that policy is applied selectively.

Who said that?

 

[Banana]

I thought you decided to re-open this thread as it was 'football related'?

Not too much football-related or even about MotD on this post? A lot of whataboutery, though. Thought we went down this route on the now-closed Lineker thread?

Yeah, I'm such a hypocrite. Can't help it.

 

[horshambees]

Gary Lineker’s suspension for expressing political views set off an avalanche of comparisons with other BBC stars who have not been similarly sanctioned for lacking impartiality.

Some were obvious: Lord Sugar of The Apprentice, whose 18 years of firing people have been punctuated by political outbursts, from newspaper interviews calling on people to vote Conservative to tweeting a mocked-up image of Jeremy Corbyn sitting next to Adolf Hitler.


Others were more obscure: Dame Mary Berry, the doyenne of TV cookery shows, has expressed scepticism about the government’s sugar tax in interviews and called for changes to the national curriculum to include cooking skills. They, like Lineker, were not journalists so shouldn’t be expected to adopt monastic levels of impartiality away from their jobs, political commentators argued.

Armando Iannucci, creator of the satirical series The Thick Of It, told the Observer that Tim Davie, the BBC director general, should reset the clock: “If I was Tim Davie, I’d come out of Broadcasting House and say, ‘Everything I’ve done in the last four days – forget it. I was under pressure. Pretend it didn’t happen. I’m going to have a bath for the rest of the weekend’.”

He raised the example of Michael Portillo, the former Conservative cabinet minister who has spent many of the past 14 years making shows such as Great Continental Railway Journeys, while also talking politics in newspaper columns.

“If Michael Portillo did his train programme and it was all very lovely down the Amalfi coast and he said ‘the great beauty of this train service is that it’s privatised, once again showing that it’s the free market that delivers the best sort of service to the customer’, then you think ‘he’s crossing the line here’,” Iannucci said.

Other stars who have expressed views include Nadiya Hussain, who won The Great British Bake Off when Berry was a judge, and became a popular TV chef hosting shows including Nadiya’s Family Favourites. In 2018, she posted a tweet calling Theresa May “a monster” for ordering an airstrike in Syria. She quickly deleted it and the BBC brushed off the matter saying she was “not a BBC staff member and her personal social media accounts are not connected to her work as a BBC presenter”.

Richard Osman, creator of Pointless and presenter of House of Games, said in 2019 that he believed the Tories wanted to sell off the NHS bit by bit.

Baroness Brady, an adviser on The Apprentice, is a Conservative peer and has a column in the Sun, last week writing to support the equalities minister Kemi Badenoch’s decision not to make the menopause a protected characteristic. Claude Littner, another Sugar associate, lambasted a Twitter user in 2019 as “an ignoramus! Under Labour, the money will run out”.

Other presenters, like Lineker, have attacked government policy. Martin Lewis, who has a weekly show on BBC Radio 5 Live, campaigns to change government policies, including most recently warning of an “act of national mental health harm” if energy bills were allowed to rise.

Martin Lewis has a weekly show on BBC Radio 5 Live, and has campaigned against energy policy. Photograph: Antonio Olmos/The Guardian
Rob Rinder, the TV judge, is co-presenting a new documentary airing soon on BBC Two called The Holy Land And Us, about families with Jewish and Palestinian heritage. He campaigns on homelessness for Shelter and last year criticised the government for its slow response to the Ukrainian refugee crisis.

Gabby Logan, the sports presenter, asked why the government wasn’t tackling racism in a Twitter exchange with then-junior minister Natalie Elphicke in 2021. Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall is a Green party campaigner, but Hugh’s Wild West continues to run. Vanessa Feltz had a Radio 2 show and also criticised Boris Johnson for failing to ban conversion therapy while prime minister in 2021.

The right wing press have had it in for Gary Lineker for a while now.
They announced his annual salary which fluctuates,but they will print what they want and folk will believe it anyway.
Once he did that he was a target and we all know what comes next.
Gary has support and he is strong and he was spot on in his summary.
The biggest critics' within parliament and the media have little or no morality.
Gary Lineker has and there is a whole magnitude of difference.
As for the BBC it really needs to be shaken up and sorted out,but that is a long way off and when it is I may not be alive to witness that as It will take at least 20 years or more


PS.My great grandmother and grandfather fled Nazi Germany with my grandmother.
Being German being Jewish wasn't a good Idea at the time.
Thankfully they ended up here.
All part of my DNA and I am hearing the rhetoric again.

 

[longtimeagobee]

Lineker £1.6million.
Shearer £450.00.
Wright £250.00.
Sack em and get in others
who would get £50.000
you would have a queue
from Lands End to John O
Groats wanting their jobs.

Quite right, the bloke behind me at LR knows everything about football & broadcasts it every game.
Give ’im the job I say!

Love to the family!

 

[JRTBEE]

He can spout off about what he likes I suppose. Just probably not on MotD (except football i guess)

Yes he can, so can anyone but there are Consequences.

 

[Banana]

Yes he can, so can anyone but there are Consequences.

and not always intended ones....

 

[horshambees]

Anyway back to topic to keep BFC 1997 happy.
I did not watch match of the day last night or record it.
Call it a political reason or call it solidarity with the presenters.
So I can't comment on it,but if our national game is reduced to a 20 minutes cameo on a Saturday night then it is not worth a wa*k anymore.
At least the EFL get a good show on whatever channel shows them nowadays.
SKY showed our game at 10.30 for 30 minutes.
Sportscene was on and I recorded that to watch the Scottish Cup highlights.
That'll do.
I found I did not need it in the end anyway.

 

[BFC1997]

Who said that?

You, I thought.

Is what I said incorrect? Is politics allowed on here and this thread to be moderated in a relaxed manner?

I’m not criticising btw, it’s your website so you can moderate selectively and with your own discretion as you please. Was just making an observation.

 

[BFC1997]

Your posts would take it in the opposite direction to me?

No in the same direction; an overtly political one. Which gives the mods a headache.

 

[horshambees]

Yes he can, so can anyone but there are Consequences.

Only for some though.
Not for all.
Depends who you are.

 

[johndub]

No mate, over 75s get no free licence whilst these folk get pay rises, no protest from them then.
I detest Gary but he’s allowed to say what he wants and shouldn’t be cancelled but that culture is a weapon of the left coming Gary’s way, anyway politics in football is sh*t.

You say politics in football is sh*t, but it’s there already. In fact it’s there in almost every aspect of our lives, whether we realise it or not. Politics in football? - players’ wages are linked to t.v. income, advertising, media moguls, etc. All of this is determined, one way or another, by political decisions. Your kid’s’ education, the cost of food, fuel and anything else you can think of- all influenced by political decisions.

 

[horshambees]

No in the same direction; an overtly political one. Which gives the mods a headache.

Pm me your thoughts and what you would like to post and take it from there.

 

[Banana]

You, I thought.

Is what I said incorrect? Is politics allowed on here and this thread to be moderated in a relaxed manner?

I’m not criticising btw, it’s your website so you can moderate selectively and with your own discretion as you please. Was just making an observation.

Party Politics very much not permitted.

This thread would normally fall foul of that but it's where sport and politics cross. So am relying on the wisdom of GPGers to exercise restraint when posting. I am not sat here constantly pressing f5 however. So commenting that XYZ is clearly permitted may mean that I've gone for a 10k afternoon run.

 

[Mark H]

Much prefer the format last night, I’m an anorak and know who scored, who passed, who ballsed up and how a certain save was crucial without being told over and over again. I don’t need help crossing the road yet and no need for expensive Gaz and Al telling that save was good and the other saying that the forward should have done better etc, loads saying the same and apparently they fast forward through the noise too.

I agree. ??

I don’t need gardening programs as I know how to grow things. Can’t they just show pictures of flowers and veg. Don’t need Monty Don. How much does he earn anyway?
I don’t need cookery programs as I know to cook. Just put recipes on the screen. Surely they can get a YTS to do that?
In fact why have we got the internet and the GPG? Beesline was perfectly fine.

 

[Shamrock_Bee]

Gary Lineker’s suspension for expressing political views set off an avalanche of comparisons with other BBC stars who have not been similarly sanctioned for lacking impartiality.

Some were obvious: Lord Sugar of The Apprentice, whose 18 years of firing people have been punctuated by political outbursts, from newspaper interviews calling on people to vote Conservative to tweeting a mocked-up image of Jeremy Corbyn sitting next to Adolf Hitler.


Others were more obscure: Dame Mary Berry, the doyenne of TV cookery shows, has expressed scepticism about the government’s sugar tax in interviews and called for changes to the national curriculum to include cooking skills. They, like Lineker, were not journalists so shouldn’t be expected to adopt monastic levels of impartiality away from their jobs, political commentators argued.

Armando Iannucci, creator of the satirical series The Thick Of It, told the Observer that Tim Davie, the BBC director general, should reset the clock: “If I was Tim Davie, I’d come out of Broadcasting House and say, ‘Everything I’ve done in the last four days – forget it. I was under pressure. Pretend it didn’t happen. I’m going to have a bath for the rest of the weekend’.”

He raised the example of Michael Portillo, the former Conservative cabinet minister who has spent many of the past 14 years making shows such as Great Continental Railway Journeys, while also talking politics in newspaper columns.

“If Michael Portillo did his train programme and it was all very lovely down the Amalfi coast and he said ‘the great beauty of this train service is that it’s privatised, once again showing that it’s the free market that delivers the best sort of service to the customer’, then you think ‘he’s crossing the line here’,” Iannucci said.

Other stars who have expressed views include Nadiya Hussain, who won The Great British Bake Off when Berry was a judge, and became a popular TV chef hosting shows including Nadiya’s Family Favourites. In 2018, she posted a tweet calling Theresa May “a monster” for ordering an airstrike in Syria. She quickly deleted it and the BBC brushed off the matter saying she was “not a BBC staff member and her personal social media accounts are not connected to her work as a BBC presenter”.

Richard Osman, creator of Pointless and presenter of House of Games, said in 2019 that he believed the Tories wanted to sell off the NHS bit by bit.

Baroness Brady, an adviser on The Apprentice, is a Conservative peer and has a column in the Sun, last week writing to support the equalities minister Kemi Badenoch’s decision not to make the menopause a protected characteristic. Claude Littner, another Sugar associate, lambasted a Twitter user in 2019 as “an ignoramus! Under Labour, the money will run out”.

Other presenters, like Lineker, have attacked government policy. Martin Lewis, who has a weekly show on BBC Radio 5 Live, campaigns to change government policies, including most recently warning of an “act of national mental health harm” if energy bills were allowed to rise.

Martin Lewis has a weekly show on BBC Radio 5 Live, and has campaigned against energy policy. Photograph: Antonio Olmos/The Guardian
Rob Rinder, the TV judge, is co-presenting a new documentary airing soon on BBC Two called The Holy Land And Us, about families with Jewish and Palestinian heritage. He campaigns on homelessness for Shelter and last year criticised the government for its slow response to the Ukrainian refugee crisis.

Gabby Logan, the sports presenter, asked why the government wasn’t tackling racism in a Twitter exchange with then-junior minister Natalie Elphicke in 2021. Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall is a Green party campaigner, but Hugh’s Wild West continues to run. Vanessa Feltz had a Radio 2 show and also criticised Boris Johnson for failing to ban conversion therapy while prime minister in 2021.

Good post! Those who want to divide will do so but I've heard very balanced views over the last four days. Opinions are not always linked to political leanings, in fact I've read it differently in a lot of quarters.

Fair, balanced people despite where they'd sit politically have acknowleded the optics.

If it was planned or not (probably not) the reality is those working for the BBC in whatever role or contract who've expressed views which the government don't mind or actually agree with have faced no consequences but GL mentioning language used linked to government policy stirs up an over reaction.

The BBC did not read the room on how the optics of this would play out. The lack of consistency is the major problem and has opened the BBC up to all sorts of accustations and they've only themselves to blame.

 

[TheHairdresser]

This whole thing has been a depressing indictment on broader issues in the country but what a nice way to line up all the YouTube highlights in a 20 minute package…

I'm actually finding the whole episode strangely uplifting but each to their own I guess.

 

[SmiffyBee]

Tim Davie not coming across very well in this interview, he’s a gonner I’d say.

Incorrect, I think he follows Palace ?

 

[nocoat]

I thought the format was utter gash

 

[Downbeat Bee]

I actually liked it being really quick then I could go to bed. I am getting old.

But I still think the treatment of Lineker has been wrong.