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Nathan Collins

I do believe Prem club Brentford FC has a long-running interested in central defender Nathan Collins and are set to sign him for the next umpteen years. Brentford FC is in pole position ahead of several other minor clubs which have wasted time and money sending scouts to watch Collins play or have read something by some obscure local journalist north of West London with nothing to say.
 

Nathan Collins

Newcastle fans/ media lovers process for journalism:
Step 1) create a believable name (e.g MagNews, All_About_Newcastle)
Step 2) Go to the GPG and find a player that we think is under the radar
Step 3) Create a title saying: Newcastle United in pole position to win battle for Brentford starlet (optional: compared to Ronaldinho, Figo, Maldini)
Step 4) write a whole load of sh*t underneath without naming the source
Step 5) post to the public for clicks

example given:
Affan Khan is the erm, journalist you quoted. Looks genuine to me ?.


Should there be a separate thread for these?
 

Nathan Collins

He's a 7 / 10 minimum every week now., What a good signing he's proving out to be.
I think 7 is doing him a disservice, to be honest...

He's playing incredibly well, and despite a few errors earlier in the season, he's consistently excellent. He's not having bad games at all, just a few moments.

I reckon he's an £70m player now. He's that good.
 

Nathan Collins

I think 7 is doing him a disservice, to be honest...

He's playing incredibly well, and despite a few errors earlier in the season, he's consistently excellent. He's not having bad games at all, just a few moments.

I reckon he's an £70m player now. He's that good.
Agreed....and to think Wolves supporters couldn't wait to get rid of him ?

And he's only 23 (24 on 30 April)!
 

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Max Kilman was sold to West Ham for something like £40-50m last summer.

Collins must be worth a fair chunk more than that given he’s about 3 years younger than Kilman was - and (IMO) - is already a far superior player.
Irrelevant though as he's not going anywhere.
 

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Max Kilman was sold to West Ham for something like £40-50m last summer.

Collins must be worth a fair chunk more than that given he’s about 3 years younger than Kilman was - and (IMO) - is already a far superior player.
The difference is, one of them was bought by a very shrewd club for a very good price and the other was West Ham.
 

Nathan Collins

Quality player and will (not now) play for a top 4 side IMO.

Really starting to ooze class with very little mistakes in his game.

Easily a £70-90mill CB.
It woululd be astonishing to me if we don’t get bids for him in the summer, he has been so impressive this year. Hope we don’t sell him though
 

Nathan Collins

Quality player and will (not now) play for a top 4 side IMO.

Really starting to ooze class with very little mistakes in his game.

Easily a £70-90mill CB.
I think you're underestimating how much the market has dropped in the last couple of years due to financial rules. Can't see any global club paying 90 mill for a centre back now, or even close to it.
 

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I think you're underestimating how much the market has dropped in the last couple of years due to financial rules. Can't see any global club paying 90 mill for a centre back now, or even close to it.
Your looking at tops £50m for a CB these days. I think Yoro was over £60m but all the others are quite a chunk less than that.
 

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It woululd be astonishing to me if we don’t get bids for him in the summer, he has been so impressive this year. Hope we don’t sell him though
Getting bids and getting enquiries are two very different things. I have no doubt we’ll get lots of the latter and I’ve no doubt any enquiries will be given an absolute top of the market price. And they’ll all know very well that we’re not going to budge on price. That’s why we often hear it said that we’ve had no bits for our players. It’s not that people aren’t interested it’s just that not many are prepared to pay the valuations that we will demand to let somebody go in a situation like this. And hence, few follow the enquiries up with actual bids because unless they’re prepared to pay what we want, they know it’s going nowhere.
 

Nathan Collins

Getting bids and getting enquiries are two very different things. I have no doubt we’ll get lots of the latter and I’ve no doubt any enquiries will be given an absolute top of the market price. And they’ll all know very well that we’re not going to budge on price. That’s why we often hear it said that we’ve had no bits for our players. It’s not that people aren’t interested it’s just that not many are prepared to pay the valuations that we will demand to let somebody go in a situation like this. And hence, few follow the enquiries up with actual bids because unless they’re prepared to pay what we want, they know it’s going nowhere.
He’s on a cracking deal – 5 years left on his contract plus a 2-year option – so no club is going to put money on the table without making an enquiry first. It appears we were tracking him for a long time and were clearly convinced there was something about him, so wouldn’t be very interested in letting him go now, plus he seems very settled with us. So we may float our price and a club or two may make offers below that but if club and player show no enthusiasm I can’t believe it would go anywhere.
 

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Goes without saying, would you rather a team that receives no enquiries or a team with players linked with moves away almost every week?

It's worth remembering the interviews Nathan did when he first joined. He only spent a year at both Burnley and Wolves and you could clearly divulge that moving again wasn't something he initially wanted, more down to Wolves' financial situation.

Having firmly settled down south, and turning initially jittery performances into some of the most composed performances I'm sure any CB in the league has turned out this season, I think we will get one if not a couple more seasons at least from him.

Whereas if Bryan went the perspective would be he's been a central part of our Championship into Premier League journey, he's cemented the club's position, for Nathan what better time to be a Brentford player, where might we go?

He's forming an immense partnership with Sepp, he's got playing alongside Aaron (okay not positionally) to look forward to. Any CB knows how turbulent forming new partnerships can be. Future captain?

So I do think we have every reason, including his contract, to believe he's here for a while yet
 

Nathan Collins

Virgil Van Dijk has been peerless again this season, except when it comes to Nathan Collins matching him as the only other outfield ever-present player in the Premier League — and that hasn’t happened by accident. Barring an accident, for a short time this afternoon, nobody will have played more minutes in the Premier League this season than Collins, when he lines up against Manchester United, with Van Dijk, taking a bow later in the afternoon, a short distance away in west London as champions Liverpool take on Chelsea.

Collins turned 24 on Wednesday, with more than 100 Premier League appearances under his belt, whereas by comparison Van Dijk had yet to play in the Premier League at the same age, having just joined Southampton from Celtic. Collins probably won’t scale the same heights as his fellow centre half, but he continues to improve and nobody should put a limit on how far he actually can go.

“The ability to reflect and learn from your own performances is key for all of us if you want to get better,” said Brentford head coach Thomas Frank on Friday. “Nathan is a very good learner and he wants to improve and to push.”

The previous night, at the City Ground where Brentford beat Nottingham Forest 2-0, Collins had produced a high-quality 50-yard pass for Kevin Schade to score the opener, his third assist of the season. Defensively, Collins kept Chris Wood quiet and Forest were blunted as a result.
Other bald statistics about Collins’ season provided by Stats Perform are highly impressive: After 34 games, Collins has had more blocks than any other Premier League player this season; is sixth in the division for Duels Won, 10th for Possession Won and second for Aerial Duels won.
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Frank — and Brentford — attach considerable significance to these stats and the ones they collect for their own private use. “I use them to get an indicator of whether or not the player is going in the right direction and also to create a narrative to either praise the players or try to develop the next step.”
As usual, the Brentford head coach is very generous in providing as much information as he can to help us get an understanding of how his team and the individuals are working.

“The team is performing more consistently this season and that helps every player, not only Nathan,” says Frank, who is still hoping to better the 9th place finish of two seasons ago.

“Nathan has the most blocks because he is in very good positions, he knows how to be calm and defend. His ability to defend the box has taken a step up in his positioning and awareness and body contact. The duels in the air for example against Wood last night, the way he was reading the flight of the ball and knowing when to bump the opponent and knowing not to fight too much, all those things are taking small steps forward. On the ball, he has always been good and composed and his decision making is even better now, understanding the principles and then adding that extra layer of a great assist for Kevin.”
After arriving in England from west Dublin schoolboy side Cherry Orchard, Collins has a good injury-free record stretching from his time breaking into first-team football at Stoke City and then at Burnley and Wolves. If he missed games it was often because of indiscipline, but this season he has kept the card count down to seven yellows so far, working hard at that side of the game.

“He has worked very, very hard in the gym and on his recovery and done his best to optimise those areas. Every player needs to be a full professional from when they are 17, but he has learned from quite a young age.”

Having also captained Ireland in the absence of Seamus Coleman, it could hardly have gone better for Collins since his £20m move from Wolverhampton in the summer of 2023 when he signed for six years. As Frank puts it regarding the lengthy contract, “well done to Phil [Giles, director of football] and Matthew [Benham, club owner] for that.”
Today Collins will hope to ensure Brentford finish higher than Manchester United in the league for the first time since the Second World War, with a point against Ruben Amorim’s side needed to ensure that tiny piece of history with three games of the season still to play. Where he goes from here will be interesting, even should he see out his Brentford contract. Frank believes he can react better in the really tough moments: “When the heat is on he is good, but naturally a little bit up and down, we can all be that, including myself. Again, with a lot of things, it’s consistency.”

There is also the leadership aspect: A recent profile in the club programme was headlined “Natural Leader”, pointing out that he had captained Stoke when he was 18 and Frank is not going to disabuse us of that notion. “He wants to take responsibility and he is communicating more and more. I see a natural leader in him and he can progress it,” says Frank, who wants to make him part of the club’s leadership group. “He is not in it now, but he is going into it. The leadership group is one thing, but we have seven or eight players who are leadership characters. That means a lot.”

While Collins has had a great season, he still made a point of telling the Brentford supporters that he values playing for Ireland more than anything else and that being made captain in Heimir Hallgrimsson’s first game against England back in September had his family in tears. All of which is good news for Hallgrimsson, who has had to field tough questions about Collins in recent games after the centre half made a couple of high-profile errors. That’s understandable given the jumbled up state of Irish football in recent years, and the stability at Brentford has clearly brought out the best in the Co Kildare man.

Hallgrimsson played Collins as a defensive midfielder in the goalless first half of the 5-0 defeat to England at Wembley in November. That was a good plan which fell apart when Liam Scales was sent off shortly after the resumption and Collins moved back to centre half and Ireland shipped five goals in the last 40 minutes of that game. For Frank, however, Collins will be staying in a back four.

“He is a very intelligent player and he has the technical gift to play in there, but I probably see him more as a centre back if I am honest.”
After such a successful season, that is hardly a surprise.
 

Nathan Collins

Virgil Van Dijk has been peerless again this season, except when it comes to Nathan Collins matching him as the only other outfield ever-present player in the Premier League — and that hasn’t happened by accident. Barring an accident, for a short time this afternoon, nobody will have played more minutes in the Premier League this season than Collins, when he lines up against Manchester United, with Van Dijk, taking a bow later in the afternoon, a short distance away in west London as champions Liverpool take on Chelsea.

Collins turned 24 on Wednesday, with more than 100 Premier League appearances under his belt, whereas by comparison Van Dijk had yet to play in the Premier League at the same age, having just joined Southampton from Celtic. Collins probably won’t scale the same heights as his fellow centre half, but he continues to improve and nobody should put a limit on how far he actually can go.

“The ability to reflect and learn from your own performances is key for all of us if you want to get better,” said Brentford head coach Thomas Frank on Friday. “Nathan is a very good learner and he wants to improve and to push.”

The previous night, at the City Ground where Brentford beat Nottingham Forest 2-0, Collins had produced a high-quality 50-yard pass for Kevin Schade to score the opener, his third assist of the season. Defensively, Collins kept Chris Wood quiet and Forest were blunted as a result.
Other bald statistics about Collins’ season provided by Stats Perform are highly impressive: After 34 games, Collins has had more blocks than any other Premier League player this season; is sixth in the division for Duels Won, 10th for Possession Won and second for Aerial Duels won.
Advertisement

Frank — and Brentford — attach considerable significance to these stats and the ones they collect for their own private use. “I use them to get an indicator of whether or not the player is going in the right direction and also to create a narrative to either praise the players or try to develop the next step.”
As usual, the Brentford head coach is very generous in providing as much information as he can to help us get an understanding of how his team and the individuals are working.

“The team is performing more consistently this season and that helps every player, not only Nathan,” says Frank, who is still hoping to better the 9th place finish of two seasons ago.

“Nathan has the most blocks because he is in very good positions, he knows how to be calm and defend. His ability to defend the box has taken a step up in his positioning and awareness and body contact. The duels in the air for example against Wood last night, the way he was reading the flight of the ball and knowing when to bump the opponent and knowing not to fight too much, all those things are taking small steps forward. On the ball, he has always been good and composed and his decision making is even better now, understanding the principles and then adding that extra layer of a great assist for Kevin.”
After arriving in England from west Dublin schoolboy side Cherry Orchard, Collins has a good injury-free record stretching from his time breaking into first-team football at Stoke City and then at Burnley and Wolves. If he missed games it was often because of indiscipline, but this season he has kept the card count down to seven yellows so far, working hard at that side of the game.

“He has worked very, very hard in the gym and on his recovery and done his best to optimise those areas. Every player needs to be a full professional from when they are 17, but he has learned from quite a young age.”

Having also captained Ireland in the absence of Seamus Coleman, it could hardly have gone better for Collins since his £20m move from Wolverhampton in the summer of 2023 when he signed for six years. As Frank puts it regarding the lengthy contract, “well done to Phil [Giles, director of football] and Matthew [Benham, club owner] for that.”
Today Collins will hope to ensure Brentford finish higher than Manchester United in the league for the first time since the Second World War, with a point against Ruben Amorim’s side needed to ensure that tiny piece of history with three games of the season still to play. Where he goes from here will be interesting, even should he see out his Brentford contract. Frank believes he can react better in the really tough moments: “When the heat is on he is good, but naturally a little bit up and down, we can all be that, including myself. Again, with a lot of things, it’s consistency.”

There is also the leadership aspect: A recent profile in the club programme was headlined “Natural Leader”, pointing out that he had captained Stoke when he was 18 and Frank is not going to disabuse us of that notion. “He wants to take responsibility and he is communicating more and more. I see a natural leader in him and he can progress it,” says Frank, who wants to make him part of the club’s leadership group. “He is not in it now, but he is going into it. The leadership group is one thing, but we have seven or eight players who are leadership characters. That means a lot.”

While Collins has had a great season, he still made a point of telling the Brentford supporters that he values playing for Ireland more than anything else and that being made captain in Heimir Hallgrimsson’s first game against England back in September had his family in tears. All of which is good news for Hallgrimsson, who has had to field tough questions about Collins in recent games after the centre half made a couple of high-profile errors. That’s understandable given the jumbled up state of Irish football in recent years, and the stability at Brentford has clearly brought out the best in the Co Kildare man.

Hallgrimsson played Collins as a defensive midfielder in the goalless first half of the 5-0 defeat to England at Wembley in November. That was a good plan which fell apart when Liam Scales was sent off shortly after the resumption and Collins moved back to centre half and Ireland shipped five goals in the last 40 minutes of that game. For Frank, however, Collins will be staying in a back four.

“He is a very intelligent player and he has the technical gift to play in there, but I probably see him more as a centre back if I am honest.”
After such a successful season, that is hardly a surprise.
He is so clearly a leader, a real surprise he's not in an 8 man leadership group. Future captain.
 
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That’s what we paid for him or near enough. Zero chance he goes anywhere for that sort of money and Howe/Newcastle and every other club aren’t silly enough to think he will.
 

Nathan Collins

Apparently Howe and Newcastle are after Nathan Collins now at £23million they reckon. I think he’ll be a bit more than that
The clickbait article I saw described Collins as a £23m defender, because thats what we paid for him. It didn’t mention what they think he’d cost now. Newcastle bid £60m for Guehi last summer so I’d imagine thats the sort of offer it would take.
 

Nathan Collins

Well if the 20 year old Bournemouth centre half is apparently worth £50m, what does that do for Nathan's valuation?


Ive never actually taken any heed of this guy in the PL, but Id be gobsmacked if he was better than our Nathan
 

Nathan Collins

Well if the 20 year old Bournemouth centre half is apparently worth £50m, what does that do for Nathan's valuation?


Ive never actually taken any heed of this guy in the PL, but Id be gobsmacked if he was better than our Nathan
He’s a very composed footballing centre back who’s also got into Spain team recently.
 

Nathan Collins

Well if the 20 year old Bournemouth centre half is apparently worth £50m, what does that do for Nathan's valuation?


Ive never actually taken any heed of this guy in the PL, but Id be gobsmacked if he was better than our Nathan
Apparently it's a release clause but I suppose if someone triggers it that's his value.
 

Nathan Collins

Apparently it's a release clause but I suppose if someone triggers it that's his value.
I think he's probably worth more than that, simply because he's shown very high levels of composure and is only 20.

Nathan is a different kind of player, and needed what we've given him to shine. I still think there's a risk we lose him this summer, but he could well leave the summer after for big money considering how his performances have been. I think he's probably the most well rounded defender in the EPL right now, apart from Liverpool's pairing. Only a slight lack of pace lets him down.
 

Nathan Collins

Well if the 20 year old Bournemouth centre half is apparently worth £50m, what does that do for Nathan's valuation?


Ive never actually taken any heed of this guy in the PL, but Id be gobsmacked if he was better than our Nathan
He is a real prospect. Composed, good on the ball and reads the game well. For his age he is outstanding. His development potential is very high.
 

Nathan Collins

He is a real prospect. Composed, good on the ball and reads the game well. For his age he is outstanding. His development potential is very high.
He’s also a Spanish International which would add a level of attraction both to him and Real.
 

Nathan Collins

Well if the 20 year old Bournemouth centre half is apparently worth £50m, what does that do for Nathan's valuation?


Ive never actually taken any heed of this guy in the PL, but Id be gobsmacked if he was better than our Nathan
He has potential but he is very rash and gets done by pace. Surprised clubs are willing to take a 50 mil punt after one season.
 

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Surprised Nathan has not been mentioned yet. IMHO far too easily beaten to the header by a very good Jimenez. Flekken poor too with the attempted save.

He has set a very high standard this year so I suspect will be disappointed with this
 

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I thought the same until you see the cross from Adama hung in the air and Jimenezs leap is Schade-esque and on the run in, whilst Nathan jumped from a standing start, he was beating Nathan and SVB regularly with the timing of his leaps running on to them as both of our centre backs held their space and line and then jumped with little momentum.

Collins was annoyed but the quality in the cross and timing of the leap made me look at it differently second time round.
 

Nathan Collins

He is a real prospect. Composed, good on the ball and reads the game well. For his age he is outstanding. His development potential is very high.

What about the Bournemouth fella? ??
 

Nathan Collins

I thought the same until you see the cross from Adama hung in the air and Jimenezs leap is Schade-esque and on the run in, whilst Nathan jumped from a standing start, he was beating Nathan and SVB regularly with the timing of his leaps running on to them as both of our centre backs held their space and line and then jumped with little momentum.

Collins was annoyed but the quality in the cross and timing of the leap made me look at it differently second time round.

Great cross and Jiminez did superbly but no doubt Nathan will be annoyed at how flat footed he got caught. He struggled in the air against the Fulham striker today and in the first half Traore gave him a constant supply line from our left. A rare abberation in an otherwise brilliant season for Collins.
 

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Can't believe people are digging him out for a deflected cross that sat up perfectly for the advancing Jimenez.....both headed goals ended up resembling those looping long throw-ins that are so hard to judge for defenders due to their weird contorted trajectory.

Jimenez also rather cutely used Nathan as a climbing frame to maintain airborne supremacy, so I'm not having that flat-footed bollox being spouted on here.
 
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