Orient Match Report

Orient Match Report

............the upgrade of Button for Moore looks good,as well as McCormack for Tom............
Not quite like for like replacement, Moore is a better shot stopper but Button is good on crosses and with the ball at his feet. Mcmormack is more of a Douglas type player, breaking up opposition attacks, where as Tom is good going forward. Although Forshaw is improving all the time.
 

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Reading through this is soo depressing! We really weren't as bad as most people are making us out to be. Simply the same as last year dominating games, not taking our chances. Richard Lee didn't have to make a save.
They were very average and after some injuries and as season goes on they'll finish top 8 but nowhere near top 2.


...............Have to disagree - we were as bad as people are making out - we weren't dominating the game either, we simply had more possession but had not a clue what to do with it, and the few attempts on goal were mainly of the 'well at least I'll get it on target' type, rather than with any forcefulness - Richard Lee did have (at least) two saves to make - the fact is, he didn't make them, not that they were entirely his fault, a poor and unnecessary penalty to give away, and a through ball (when every other time Onabujo (sp?) had the ball he was fancy dan, always trying to take on one too many) where none was expected totally undone the Bees defence; if Orient were average, I really don't know what you think that makes us - pisspoor comes to mind...............
 

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Just an average performance with to many missed opportunities once again.

Long journey back to Manchester now.
 

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Although I think you regularly aim some pretty unreasonable criticism at Donaldson, I have to concede that Clayton has started the season particularly poorly. We have other options - unlike last year - so pairing Grigg with Farid should be a serious consideration at the moment IMO.

Yes i think you have a point though it is worth noting that whilst Clayton had an indifferent night (Especially in the second half) he still looked more dangerous than Grigg throughout. I really want to see the free scoring international player that Grigg is but I'm not seeing it at the moment the way Uwe's setting up the team. Grigg will win very little in the air and desperately needs a partner with a physical presence to play off. It sure as hell ain't going to happen in the 4-3-3 with Clayton miles away on the wing. Farid might not be the best thing since sliced bread but he scores goals, is committed to the cause, gives the crowd a lift and gives centre halves a real battle........he was needed tonight.

Logan had one of his real off days today and with Craig looking like a fish out of water on the left (Odd since he played most of his career in that position) our defence struggled especially with Harlee veering between calm assurance and glaring errors. Taylor was a rock, just not a very mobile one. Lee had no chance with the goals and otherwise a good tip over and a good take from a cross was the sum of his nights work. Good to see him back although his kicking hasn't improved!

McCormack battled well but faded somewhat and Dave ran in ever decreasing circles in the middle. Orient seemed to find it alarmingly easy to play in and around our penalty box as the defence and the midfield seemed to struggle to pick up the Orient attacking players.

Filo never really got going, asked to win a succesion of headers against a much bigger player. He looks as though he has the technical ability but didn't beat his man or get a telling cross in all night. As poor as Dallas's delivery was when he came on at least the lad got into wide positions in the first place.

The subs didn't work at all, boys asked to do men's jobs. Trotta lumbered around to little effect, young Tex tried to influence things but looked every inch the inexperienced youngster he is and Dallas let himself down with some poor delivery out wide. Why oh why Farid wasn't sent on only Uwe can answer.

Orient weren't world beaters but played with a physicality and tempo and purpose that we lacked. We look like a collection of musicians struggling to understand the way in which the Conducter wants us to play the tune.........the result is a right old noise. Uwe needs to find his best musicians and to get them playing together pretty soon.

I had such high hopes for tonight, I genuinely thought we would kick start our season today with a good performance to make the division take up and notice...........what we got was mediocrity and a really demoralising defeat.
 

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Almost, almost tonight...

Orient were better than we thought and look a real team playing for eachother, Bees generally matched them with great energy tonight, but created few genuine goalscoring chances and until the penalty award, we were on top in the second half - it looked like Mooney went down Ashley Young-like on the TV replay to cost us the game, but Shaleum Logan was playing with fire getting involved in dangerous 50/50 penalty box tussles. He will learn.

Uwe admitted one mistake would lose the game and the zap and enthusiasm from Brentford up until the penalty died in an instant, especially with none of his subs doing any better than those they replaced.

It will be interesting to bet on where both teams will be at the return game in mid March 2014.

What is clear, Uwe is still experimenting like Willy Wonka in the Chocolate Factory with his large squad, but he desperately needs to settle on a first XI and get on a winning run like Orient.

There is still time, we are not too far off the pace, no panic stations yet chaps.
 

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I hate the fact that people actually believe that Orient did a number on us like their cunning game plan was to be dominated for 70 minutes and then get a stupid penalty.
 

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...............Have to disagree - we were as bad as people are making out - we weren't dominating the game either, we simply had more possession but had not a clue what to do with it, and the few attempts on goal were mainly of the 'well at least I'll get it on target' type, rather than with any forcefulness - Richard Lee did have (at least) two saves to make - the fact is, he didn't make them, not that they were entirely his fault, a poor and unnecessary penalty to give away, and a through ball (when every other time Onabujo (sp?) had the ball he was fancy dan, always trying to take on one too many) where none was expected totally undone the Bees defence; if Orient were average, I really don't know what you think that makes us - pisspoor comes to mind...............

Not entirely his fault???? I don't think many keepers in all four divisions would have stopped either of Orients goals but both resulted from poor defending.
 

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Agree Newbee 79. It's not good enough. Brentford have never been in such a good position as now. A supporter putting money into the club and not getting a return. I keep hearing how we will get better later in the season. I just dont see it. If we waste this chance we will be back to our usual mid-table position and lose our best players. Come on Brentford, show some fight.
 

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I hate the fact that people actually believe that Orient did a number on us like their cunning game plan was to be dominated for 70 minutes and then get a stupid penalty.

We didn't dominate for 70 minutes. We had possession and threatened to do little with it. Orient had a couple of the best chances of the night before the penalty. I call the manner of the defeat and the manner in which Orient played as definately worthy of being considered as them doing a number on us.
 

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We didn't dominate for 70 minutes. We had possession and threatened to do little with it. Orient had a couple of the best chances of the night before the penalty. I call the manner of the defeat and the manner in which Orient played as definately worthy of being considered as them doing a number on us.

We were the better side before they scored. They were undoubtedly dangerous, but we created more and better chances. It was the manner of the capitulation after the goal that I found most worrying.
 

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We didn't dominate for 70 minutes. We had possession and threatened to do little with it. Orient had a couple of the best chances of the night before the penalty. I call the manner of the defeat and the manner in which Orient played as definately worthy of being considered as them doing a number on us.

Yep - they were so clever. What exactly did you see in Orients' play up to the penalty to admire?
 

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If anyone knows our best team please post it because what I have seen so far this season doesn't matter what line up we go for always feel that we are not good enough at the moment no matter who the opposition is
 

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Not entirely his fault???? I don't think many keepers in all four divisions would have stopped either of Orients goals but both resulted from poor defending.

.....................maybe you've forgotten the much hyped 'hypnosis sessions' of a couple of seasons ago when Richard was saving penalties?- and quite possibly he still isn't properly 'matchfit'....................but the second wasn't that far away from him either - but hopefully you'll note that I did say that both shots/goals were as a result of poor defending, of which he is the last line...................
 

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I'm a little bit baffled to be honest. Was there a special section for people who thinks everything was sh*t tonight because I thought I heard some pretty good and encouraging support from three sides of the ground up until the penalty. I din't get a sense from anyone around me that everyone thought we were playing awfully.
 

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Felt after a dodgy first 15 mins we shaded the first half and looked good until giving away a needless penalty after which it all fell apart.

We were bullied throughout the game and failed to win any headers at either end of the pitch, Orient battled for every ball throughout the game whereas by the end we had pretty match thrown in the towel which I find unacceptable

Won't dwell on the specifics of the game as others have already done so but felt underwhelmed by the whole performance, Of the back 4 probably only Craig came out with any credit, Harlee and Taylor out muscled throughout and Shay was a long way below his standard, McCormack and Dave were fine and Adam outstanding , I like Filo but he contributed little whilst Clayton and Grigg never imposed themselves

Strange subs Trotta and Dallas did nothing and certainly I don't see the latter as the future whilst the lad from Luverpool realised what 3rd division football is all about!!!

We looked a team that has lost its way, devoid of leaders, fighters, ideas and understanding. Worrying indeed
 

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I think Rosler needs to worry more about us than the opposition. I thought at times we paid them too much respect and once again we have come out for a second half playing worse than the first. What the hell does he say to them at half time?!

I don't like our formation of 4/1/3/2 because it quickly deteriorates into the aimless, hoofing 4/5/1 we play away from home. At home :-(

I see no balls in this side besides Dean, McCormack and Forshaw and no-one wants to take a chance. I felt Orient were there for the taking second half but we sat back too deep. Again Uwe worrying more about the opposition. I bet he would've been content with a 0-0.

And as for Logan, what an idiot. He was pulling the guys shirt and arm outside the box and continued in to the penalty area. Diagouraga does a job but is he really what we are looking for, for us to progress. That shot near the end was an embarrassment. Mind you he spends so much time passing sideways and backwards he probably forgot how to kick the ball forwards.

I'm losing patience to be honest and that's rare for me as I'm a glass half full Bees fan. As previously mentioned Coventry and Rotherham to come. Midtable beckons I'm afraid.
 

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Orient were a class above us. They were the away team, sat back and soaked up a bit of pressure, got a stone wall penalty and then went for the kill. Anyone suggesting that we were better are just stupid. Ans weve had a budget of £5.5m.
 

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Orient were a class above us. They were the away team, sat back and soaked up a bit of pressure, got a stone wall penalty and then went for the kill. Anyone suggesting that we were better are just stupid. Ans weve had a budget of £5.5m.

A class above??????? That is the biggest load of b***ocks I've heard.
 

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Because we looked like World beaters didn't we?
 

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Yep - they were so clever. What exactly did you see in Orients' play up to the penalty to admire?

.............nothing..............they were as poor as Gillingham and Tranmere...............
 

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We were the better side before they scored. They were undoubtedly dangerous, but we created more and better chances. It was the manner of the capitulation after the goal that I found most worrying.

We played the prettier football maybe but I cannot recall us forcing their keeper into anything other than a couple of routine catches before they scored from the spot. They missed a couple of sitters including a header before they scored as well. We were not good enough tonight, too many key players out of form.
 

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Oh dear some jealous Brentford fans who cant accept that we were sh*t and beaten by the better side... you'll be blaming the ref next. Yawn Yawn nite nite....
 

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Oh dear some jealous Brentford fans who cant accept that we were sh*t and beaten by the better side... you'll be blaming the ref next. Yawn Yawn nite nite....

Jealous of whom exactly. The world beating Orient side? lol
 

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Orient were a class above us. They were the away team, sat back and soaked up a bit of pressure, got a stone wall penalty and then went for the kill. Anyone suggesting that we were better are just stupid. Ans weve had a budget of £5.5m.

If you think they were a class above us then I suggest you watch the game back - preferably with your eyes open this time :) What they had that we didn't was steel throughout the side. One of our major weaknesses IMO is that we're a little too nice and are susceptible to big strong teams. Orient were just that. Two big centre halves who bullied Grigg and Clayton all game and two experienced strikers in Mooney and Lisbie who put themselves about brilliantly IMO and gave our two centres halves a battle from the first to the last minute.
 

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Les go to bed.. the nurse will be round to change you at 8am....
 

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We had chances and never took them. Thought we were on top till that penalty and still don't think it was a penalty. Switched off badly for 2nd goal. Orient were solid at the back.

Right infront of us and 100% a penalty Logan had 4 or 5 goes at bring the player down by pulling on his upper arm, very silly by Logan was never going to be anything diffferent
 

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Les go to bed.. the nurse will be round to change you at 8am....

I've been around the GPG long enough to know that it doesn't take you long to start reaching for the pills ....... ;)
 

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Oh dear some jealous Brentford fans who cant accept that we were sh*t and beaten by the better side... you'll be blaming the ref next. Yawn Yawn nite nite....

I thought they were much the better team tonight..
 

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.....................maybe you've forgotten the much hyped 'hypnosis sessions' of a couple of seasons ago when Richard was saving penalties?- and quite possibly he still isn't properly 'matchfit'....................but the second wasn't that far away from him either - but hopefully you'll note that I did say that both shots/goals were as a result of poor defending, of which he is the last line...................

So to clarify you are saying that Richard Lee was in some way culpable for either of the goals he conceded tonight. A well taken penalty and a one on one which was from my vantage point an excellent finish. In which alternative universe could he in anyway be held responsible for either one of those goals:confused:
 

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Well they were definately the better team at the end of 90 minutes Owlsmoor:(

They were the better team from the moment the penalty went in, certainly not before. Our reaction, or rather the lack thereof, to that goal is what disappointed me most tonight. We built a reputation last season as a side who didn't know when they were beaten but the players and Uwe very quickly ran out of ideas once we fell behind this evening.
 

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I'm a little bit baffled to be honest. Was there a special section for people who thinks everything was sh*t tonight because I thought I heard some pretty good and encouraging support from three sides of the ground up until the penalty. I din't get a sense from anyone around me that everyone thought we were playing awfully.

What's that? Supporters supporting their team at 0-0? Never heard of such a thing.

We lost 2-0 by a pretty ordinary side. Seemingly defending the defeat with "everyone was clapping and singing for 70 minutes" seems strange.
 

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Bottom line is Orient played like a team who would put their bodies on the line for each other and we played like a team of individuals who although more talented man for man than their rivals, looked short on confidence and quality in the vital areas. Most worrying for me was the lack of fight when we went two down where last season we'd have battled to the very end.
 

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Owlsmoor.. mate you are an intelligent bloke and I love you dearly.. but Orient were much the better side all night. They were disciplined, well managed, strong and dangerous upfront. I dislike them with a passion and hope their wheels fall off but credit where credits due, they looked a good outfit tonight.
 

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Yep - they were so clever. What exactly did you see in Orients' play up to the penalty to admire?

"Clever"......I guess if you mean confident, committed organised and efficient and dangerous on the counterattack then yes Orient were 'clever'. I'd refer you to the same answer as to what i 'admired' about their play. If we produced an away performance of similar proportions I would be very happy.......wouldn't you????
 

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They were the better team from the moment the penalty went in, certainly not before. Our reaction, or rather the lack thereof, to that goal is what disappointed me most tonight. We built a reputation last season as a side who didn't know when they were beaten but the players and Uwe very quickly ran out of ideas once we fell behind this evening.

We weren't exactly brimming with ideas and ripping Orient apart before the penalty Owlsmoor. We were the home side and how many times did we truly test the keeper before or indeed after the penalty.......
 

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Owlsmoor.. mate you are an intelligent bloke and I love you dearly.. but Orient were much the better side all night. They were disciplined, well managed, strong and dangerous upfront. I dislike them with a passion and hope their wheels fall off but credit where credits due, they looked a good outfit tonight.

Disagree I'm afraid mate. They were a good side certainly, very strong all over the park and knew when to go long and when to play it short. I especially liked Mooney and Lisbie, but up until the penalty, I thought we more than matched them and had created (and missed) the better chances. That wasn't an unpopular view at half time either and tbh, I think the terrible way in which we responded after the goal has overshadowed what was a fairly decent performance up until then.

I can quite see how Orient have won the games they have, they're a very capable, tough side who worked exceptionally hard, but they knew they were in a proper game up until Logan gifted them the penalty.
 

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Just watched it again and it was a game of fine margins. The pen was poor defending but the decision could have gone our way but what depressed me was how flat we were after conceding.

We ran out of ideas and passion.

The first hour was decent and we had 3 big chances which we missed but it fizzled out poorly.
 

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In the 10 minutes leading up to the penalty, we looked increasingly likely to be taking all three points IMO.

Mooney should have scored for them in the 1st half.. Harlee also missed one in the 2nd half for us.. so I say no tbh
 

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We weren't exactly brimming with ideas and ripping Orient apart before the penalty Owlsmoor. We were the home side and how many times did we truly test the keeper before or indeed after the penalty.......

Yes, but neither were they ! We may've been the home side but we were playing - IMO shading the game - against a side who had won 7 games on the bounce. Did anyone really expect us to turn up and rip the table toppers apart ? Irrespective of whether it's Orient or not, you don't win 7 straight games without being a decent outfit, and tbh, up until the penalty, I don't remember Richard Lee pulling off save after save to keep us in the game either.
 

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A harsh lesson in the reality of League 1 football. Orient were stronger, more athletic and better organised than us. I was particularly impressed with how they defended; their two centre backs were magnificent. It was noticeable too how quickly they broke and got men forward. Their midfielders were busting a gut to get up in support, the result being that they often had three men in the box only moments after winning possession deep in their own half.

Having said that, we competed quite well for an hour before Logan gave away a stupid penalty. Then, we committed suicide with three very silly substitutions and the game had suddenly gone from our grasp. We could (and perhaps should) have earned a point. I felt very sorry for Texeira; what a situation in which to make your league debut! Talk about being thrown to the lions! I've been a stout supporter of Rosler till now, but this was poor management, practically to the point of being inhumane.

Of course, with a small squad and a small budget, it will be difficult for Orient to maintain this surge. And in January doubtless bigger clubs will try to sign players like Cuthbert. But, for now, they are difficult to stop.
 

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Mooney should have scored for them in the 1st half.. Harlee also missed one in the 2nd half for us.. so I say no tbh

I was talking about the 10 minutes before the penalty, not the first half.
 

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Harlee and Craig both missed sitters and Clayton could either of scored or forced a penalty and red card just on half time . Fine margins but we missed our chances and had no comeback when they took theirs
 

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A harsh lesson in the reality of League 1 football. Orient were stronger, more athletic and better organised than us. I was particularly impressed with how they defended; their two centre backs were magnificent. It was noticeable too how quickly they broke and got men forward. Their midfielders were busting a gut to get up in support, the result being that they often had three men in the box only moments after winning possession deep in their own half.

Having said that, we competed quite well for an hour before Logan gave away a stupid penalty. Then, we committed suicide with three very silly substitutions and the game had suddenly gone from our grasp. We could (and perhaps should) have earned a point. I felt very sorry for Texeira; what a situation in which to make your league debut! Talk about being thrown to the lions! I've been a stout supporter of Rosler till now, but this was poor management, practically to the point of being inhumane.

Of course, with a small squad and a small budget, it will be difficult for Orient to maintain this surge. And in January doubtless bigger clubs will try to sign players like Cuthbert. But, for now, they are difficult to stop.

I thought the subs were ok . Teixeira was given the chance to change the game and that's what he was brought here to do so I saw Nothing Wong with bringing him on. McCormack can't do 90 mins at the moment.

Filo had done nothing and Dallas was like for like.

The only contentious one was Trotta or Farid and in retrospect the wrong choice was made there
 

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Yes, but neither were they ! We may've been the home side but we were playing - IMO shading the game - against a side who had won 7 games on the bounce. Did anyone really expect us to turn up and rip the table toppers apart ? Irrespective of whether it's Orient or not, you don't win 7 straight games without being a decent outfit, and tbh, up until the penalty, I don't remember Richard Lee pulling off save after save to keep us in the game either.

Don't quite get the point you are making here, even accepting your argument that we were the better side for 70 minutes it desn't matter in the slightest it's semantics we're arguing over. As you point out they are a decent side who defended well, looked lively on the break and are sitting pretty on top of the league after taking three points from Griffin Park with a professional performance. I expected more from us this evening, I expected a better result....I'm sure you did as well?
 
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