Pim Balkenstein

[KGB]

I'm with you on this one.

My worry, which I didn't express clearly, is how difficult (and costly) it could be to move these players on - particularly if they haven't performed particularly well on loan.

Spillane seems to be doing ok but I can't see Daggers affording the same wages as BFC. At least there would only be 6 months or so for us to compensate in his case, I believe.

PB however, could be really expensive with 18 months to cover.

Personally, the young lad Dean loanee or not looks a better player now to me so I'd rather keep him for as long as we can, on loan or signed while another club is encouraged to pay for Pim if Rochdale don't extend his loan. I would guess his wages would make him one of the top earners at Rochdale and a new manager might want to bring in his own players on less money especially if he's been as bad as Rochdale fans seem to think he's been to date.(only going by website posts and snippets on here before anyone asks how I know)

Think we definitely bought a pup, an expensive pedigree and it's best for everyone that he's rehomed somewhere soon.

 

[SmiffyBee]

Can Pim play up front like other converted Centre Backs ?

Chris Samba, Dion Dublin and Lee Thorpe ?

 

[Herbert]

funny how they (CBs) do well (we love 'em) when on loan then something happens when they sign on the dotted line.

Scott Canham(midfielder i know) is the best one i remember for that

 

[BRbee]

We seem to have a number of good centre backs on the books at present. I rate Leon, Karleigh, Marcel and Harlee Dean quite highly. Makes it difficult for Pim at the moment. Glad he's out on loan and getting some games cos i can't see him being picked at Brentford unless there is total injury disaster.
SmiffyBee raises an interesting question about his ability to play up front but i can't see Pim being mobile enough to do that

 

[Brain-dead Bee]

Scott Canham(midfielder i know) is the best one i remember for that

and Detsy Kruszinski (spelling?)

 

[hobbsy]

I'll bet he's earning a sizeable wage packet - as I reckon Spillane will be. Could be difficult to move on.

I guess the question for BFC is 'Could we get better players in their positions for similar cost allowing for the cost of the settlement we would have to give PB/MS to allow them to move on?'

I think that PB is contracted to June 2012 which could make settlement quite expensive. MS, I believe, is out of contract in June - but I may be mistaken in this.

Looks like we signed him on a 3 year deal, so June 2013.

http://www.brentford.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=207635

 

[KGB]

Looks like we signed him on a 3 year deal, so June 2013.

http://www.brentford.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=207635

Tks - you are right. Sorry I made a mistake with the year - senile dementure setting in!

The point I was trying to make that he still has 18 months on his contract and this could be expensive to settle - particularly if any new club interested were not particularly good payers. Sadly Pim's form at present tends to suggest that this might be the case and he is looking unlikely to move up the footballing ladder at present.

 

[beebopalula]

Article in the Chronny indicates some kind of agreement will follow to see Pim out. A great shame and I wonder how a player can go from outstanding to well...not very good. I wish him luck and suspect he'll return home.

 

[wanderer paul]

Article in the Chronny indicates some kind of agreement will follow to see Pim out. A great shame and I wonder how a player can go from outstanding to well...not very good. I wish him luck and suspect he'll return home.

http://www.hounslowchronicle.co.uk/...-told-he-can-leave-brentford-109642-30090315/

 

[Orp_Bee]

Agreed, it is a great shame but hes probably on good wages and im confident that at the right club he can be a legend.

 

[GP200]

Agreed, it is a great shame but hes probably on good wages and im confident that at the right club he can be a legend.

.........can be a legend?????.........a tad extreme.........

 

[NorthamptonBee]

He went from a man mountain who nutted frozen ground at MK, somehow stayed on to be part of that defence that got a clean sheet to a bloke who got pushed around and stopped putting his head in.
On a par with Ian Bolton's signing IMO, very well received, massively anticipated but went totally wrong.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Agreed, it is a great shame but hes probably on good wages and im confident that at the right club he can be a legend.

I think he's on very, very good wages. An expensive mistake.

 

[Orp_Bee]

.........can be a legend?????.........a tad extreme.........

I mean more a legend with the fans cause of the way he plays than a legendary player.

 

[Houghton Bee]

never looked interested in playing for us once he'd signed, could have really kick started his career at brentford but seemed to think he was better then league one. balls to him

 

[Invipai]

Slowly but surely the squad is being refined to become Rosler's team. Predictable news, but good luck to him wherever he goes next.

 

[Orp_Bee]

I think he's on very, very good wages. An expensive mistake.

That doesnt suprise me. I get the feeling that Scott seemed to think he would be the difference. Not that I can blame him cause I did at the time aswell.

 

[beebopalula]

Slowly but surely the squad is being refined to become Rosler's team. Predictable news, but good luck to him wherever he goes next.

The decks are being cleared for next season. More clearing in the summer.What a job!!!

 

[Easter 1959]

He went from a man mountain who nutted frozen ground at MK, somehow stayed on to be part of that defence that got a clean sheet to a bloke who got pushed around and stopped putting his head in.
On a par with Ian Bolton's signing IMO, very well received, massively anticipated but went totally wrong.

Pretty much nailed on.

His performance, particuarly in the second half on that freezing (we only need one shot) day at MK Dons, was immense; just like Alan Bennett's at Bournemouth the Championship season before. You would hope that it is not just the money and the security of the contract that led both of them to just drop off the radar.

 

[Invipai]

The decks are being cleared for next season. More clearing in the summer.What a job!!!

Well it's not an exciting part of a manager revolution but an important one in him establishing a team of his own. I'd rather see these sorts of players find new clubs than hang around, so that we'd be closer to having a squad that fits Uwe's intentions.

 

[RitchBee]

The decks are being cleared for next season. More clearing in the summer.What a job!!!

This is what people need to understand that Rosler's hands are tied somewhat because of deals done by another manager. To be fair that manager does what he thinks is the right thing at that time. 3 years deals are rather long unless you are sure the player is the right one.

 

[Beesfan]

This is what people need to understand that Rosler's hands are tied somewhat because of deals done by another manager. To be fair that manager does what he thinks is the right thing at that time. 3 years deals are rather long unless you are sure the player is the right one.

I think we all thought Pim and Dave were the right players to take us forward. Shame it hasn't worked out as we all thought it would.

 

[mundee4england]

Such a shame, was so excited by this signing after AS seemed to chase him around europe (who remembers facebook gate!). I really thought he was a step in the right direction and would really improve the standard of the team, I still thought he would after a shaky start last season but he just doesn't seem to be able to recreate the form he showed in his loans spells!

Good luck Pim, shame it didn't work out!

 

[KGB]

He went from a man mountain who nutted frozen ground at MK, somehow stayed on to be part of that defence that got a clean sheet to a bloke who got pushed around and stopped putting his head in.
On a par with Ian Bolton's signing IMO, very well received, massively anticipated but went totally wrong.

Agreed. And as others say, I'll bet he's on good wages given AS's lengthy pursuit of him. Would be surprised to see him sign for another club this side of the Channel.

 

[KGB]

The decks are being cleared for next season. More clearing in the summer.What a job!!!

It's an interesting one isn't it.

We're offering GA and SS a new contract.

I presume Hudson will be off. Of other AS signings - Bean? Woodman? Dave? Weston?

Some of those will cost a settlement & would we want to part with all of them? I would keep Bean & Woodman for sure although that may not be popular. The other two have potential but Weston has shown no sort of form this season & Dave has been poorish recently. However, unless we move on some of these players there can't really be a revolution in the change of personnel .

 

[The Walrus]

It's an interesting one isn't it.

We're offering GA and SS a new contract.

I presume Hudson will be off. Of other AS signings - Bean? Woodman? Dave? Weston?

Some of those will cost a settlement & would we want to part with all of them? I would keep Bean & Woodman for sure although that may not be popular. The other two have potential but Weston has shown no sort of form this season & Dave has been poorish recently. However, unless we move on some of these players there can't really be a revolution in the change of personnel .

I'd get rid of those four if we could do so without paying them off. Bean and Woodman are out of contract anyway IIRC.

 

[zuko]

It's an interesting one isn't it.

We're offering GA and SS a new contract.

I presume Hudson will be off. Of other AS signings - Bean? Woodman? Dave? Weston?

Some of those will cost a settlement & would we want to part with all of them? I would keep Bean & Woodman for sure although that may not be popular. The other two have potential but Weston has shown no sort of form this season & Dave has been poorish recently. However, unless we move on some of these players there can't really be a revolution in the change of personnel .

I can definitely see Uwe keeping Bean. I wouldn't have said so at the start of the season, but he's more than proved his worth.

 

[KGB]

I'd get rid of those four if we could do so without paying them off. Bean and Woodman are out of contract anyway IIRC.

I may be wrong but I think CW has 18 months left?

 

[wanderer paul]

I may be wrong but I think CW has 18 months left?

:yes:

June 2013

 

[Brentford_till_die]

Shame it hasn't worked out for whatever reason.
Was solid in defence in his loan spell, pursued and signed permanently by AS, played couple games not his best matches, dropped and shipped out on loan.

I wish Pim well in the future

 

[eaglebee]

That doesnt suprise me. I get the feeling that Scott seemed to think he would be the difference. Not that I can blame him cause I did at the time aswell.

I think most of us thought the same at the time, he was just so good when on loan I think even the worst of managers would have signed him, why did it all go so wrong? it was just the same with Alan Bennett, still time
to move on and wish him the best of luck.

 

[Brentford_till_die]

I think most of us thought the same at the time, he was just so good when on loan I think even the worst of managers would have signed him, why did it all go so wrong? it was just the same with Alan Bennett, still time
to move on and wish him the best of luck.

True but Bennett was decent for us in League Two it was the step up to League One which showed he wasn't good enough.

Pim was playing for us on loan in League One

 

[Bridge Bee]

Probably an important one to move on, imagine he's on decent dough as he'd had a great loan spell with us, plus there were other clubs interested.

Amazing how form and confidence can go out of the window so quickly. Best for all involved if he moves on. Good luck Pim.

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

Such a shame, was so excited by this signing after AS seemed to chase him around europe (who remembers facebook gate!). I really thought he was a step in the right direction and would really improve the standard of the team, I still thought he would after a shaky start last season but he just doesn't seem to be able to recreate the form he showed in his loans spells!

Good luck Pim, shame it didn't work out!

I agree

 

[beebopalula]

Wonder what's happening ? He's the invisible man with a pay packet.

 

[LingfieldBee]

I saw him in the Brentford forecourt at the Wallsall game, so not invisible yet.

 

[moribee]

I think we should treat him with care as individuals if we see him,it is possible that his head is not 100%. I too say him at Walsall game and if looked a bit lost

 

[thatcham bee]

spoke to pim in the kings after the walsall game, he looked really down, told me he had no future at brentford and had been told to find another club. very sad as was good for us on loan but never as good when he signed, good luck to him

 

[SmiffyBee]

spoke to pim in the kings after the walsall game, he looked really down, told me he had no future at brentford and had been told to find another club. very sad as was good for us on loan but never as good when he signed, good luck to him

to be fairclough, anyone would look down, if found drinking in the Kings Arms - I suppose if you like your own company it's the place to be

:bitingsatire:

 

[steve.bees89]

Some good comments from Pim. Hopefully he can put everything behind him and get back to the form he had when on loan. Will be interesting to see how this one turns out.


http://www.hounslowchronicle.co.uk/...57/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Brentford_till_die]

Some good words from Pim
If he gets a chance I hope we can see the Pim we all saw when he was on loan

 

[Orp_Bee]

Sounds very determined. Would love to see him back to his best in a Bees shirt.

 

[Beat Poet]

Let's hope we see a late-season resurgence from him like with KO a couple of seasons back.

 

[Balders Bee]

Sounds very determined. Would love to see him back to his best in a Bees shirt.

I second that, attitude is right let's see if he gets and opportunity and changes Uwe's mind.

 

[Hullbee]

The new Matty heywood used to be crap but now he is alright. No doubt rebus will be involved in another chantgate when I get that started in new road

 

[absenteebee]

So noone else has come in for him then?

Well he's saying the right things and I don't quite understand why he trained with the dev squad. Maybe he's had a chat with Richard Lee about winning your place back. Good luck to the fella.

 

[beebopalula]

So noone else has come in for him then?

Well he's saying the right things and I don't quite understand why he trained with the dev squad. Maybe he's had a chat with Richard Lee about winning your place back. Good luck to the fella.

What concerns me is that we need a bit more physical strength alongside Legge as well as ability to pass it out and I don't feel confident that the three [ KO,HD,Eger] we have in addition to Leon are the answer. If Pim can get his attitude right , he would fit the bill. We know he can do it at this level-needs to get his head right.

 

[shouldbee]

What concerns me is that we need a bit more physical strength alongside Legge as well as ability to pass it out and I don't feel confident that the three [ KO,HD,Eger] we have in addition to Leon are the answer. If Pim can get his attitude right , he would fit the bill. We know he can do it at this level-needs to get his head right.

I agree, you don't just turn from being a good player to being a bad one. But why did Rosler make him train with the development squad, what's that all about ? I thought it was only the previous Manager who used to treat professionals like that, it appears not !

 

[Ambrose_1889]

Pim never passed it out, he always hoofed.

 

[shouldbee]

Pim never passed it out, he always hoofed.

along with a couple of others who are still doing it ??