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Pinault

Why doesn't Fitz start playing Pinault again. He is the only one we have with any class at the moment and we need his creativity more than ever now. At the beginning of the season he was one of the main reasons we were doing alright. Although it does seem that when things started going wrong he went missing but then again that's down to the manager to start motivating which sadly Leroy was lacking in. Maybe it's time to try him again.
 

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He's a lovely player with the ball. But he won't defend and he won't work to get it.
 

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beesbeesbarmyarmy said:
I'd play him rather than Mousinho any day of the week.
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We were constantly overrun on midfield when Pinault was in there, he gives too much space to the opposition to play with. Mousinho closes down quickly and breaks up threats. It's not that pretty but has assisted the central defenders behind him immensly.
Pinault at times looked a decent footballer, but I would like to see tha actual stats that show how many times his deft little chips actually retained possession. :rolleyes:
 

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Pinault was part of the problem, not the cure. :(
 

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I think that a significant factor in our inability to win games at the moment, despite playing reasonably well, is the trouble we've had hurting teams in the final third.

On Saturday, with Taylor and Shipperley up front, we had on paper, a pretty reaonable forward line. However, once again we failed to register more than a handful of meaningful shots on target and struggled to exert any sustained pressure on the opposition's goal.

To my mind, a contributing factor to this has been Leary's slight yet noticable dip in form which has seen him struggle to be the box to box player that he was at the beginning of his loan. I also believe that we are desperately short of creativity in midfield and without Joe, who can make something out of nothing, the forwards have struggled with the poor quality service that they've received.

I think that we'd definately be improved going forward should a more creative player take the place of either Mousinho or Leary. The questions are of course, which of these two would you drop to make way for said creative player ?, would we suffer defensively with only one ball winner in the middle?, and is Pinault the player that you would bring in to add that creativity ?

A difficult decision for me and hopefully with Joe and Keith coming back into the side, a little more creativity will be added without the need to change the central midfield pairing.
 

Pinault

It's either Mousinho + Leary or Mousinho + Pinault for me...(in Centre Mid)

We havent won for 4 games, maybe it's time for a change ?
 

Pinault

Pinault isnt great defensively but he WANTS the ball when we are in posession and is capable of hitting creative passes. Given that the team as a whole has generally improved it may not hurt to get him more involved. We need to win games and we will only do that by scoring goals.

He was absolutely brilliant for the first 6/7 weeks of the season, during which we won most of our current points tally.
 

Pinault

Pinault is an Aug+Sept player only, bit of sunshine on his back, nice lush grass, and he can run around on tiptoes playing his nice little 5-10 yard passes, but come October when the real season kicked in he went missing, never looked like creating anything, runs like a crab, and can't actually kick a ball more than 20 yards without toe poking it.
Skillful player, but a luxury, and certainly not what we need at the moment.
 

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condorman said:
He was absolutely brilliant for the first 6/7 weeks of the season, during which we won most of our current points tally.
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Really?

We had 13 points after 7 games, how is that most? :confused:
 

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maddogging said:
Pinault is an Aug+Sept player only, bit of sunshine on his back, nice lush grass, and he can run around on tiptoes playing his nice little 5-10 yard passes.
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In which case were in luck as its ment to be sunny all week!:cool:
 

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Pinault has no creativity in him at all. The times I have seen him he seems to spend more time running and passing it back. Midfield players need to tackle, he cannot. I long for the day his contract expires. As one poster has said he is part of the problem.
 

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But I think that Fitz has made it clear by his selections that his preference is for a grafters in the middle, Mousinho & Leary, and "creative" players out wide, Ide & Keith, assuming full fitness. We're often over-run in midfield as it is, so Pinault is a real luxury, particularly without Keith, who does seem to do more than his fair share of defending.
 

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I believe that as long as you have at least two graffters/tacklers/back trackers call them what you want in midfield you should be able to afford the luxury of a skilfull, creative midfield player, a lot of decent sides do. back in the eighties we had one of our best midfields ever in Hurlock, Kamara and Bowles. Never saw Stan do much tackling or chasing back.
 

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Stan with one leg is better than Pinault.
 

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its only my view

One talented midfielder in our team will be let down with those around him.So we may as well have thugs in midfield who dont let the oppo play,then when we can release the ball quickly to fast strikers.Ide should of filled Jo's shoes imho with Peter Gilham or even Northamptonbee in Brookers shirt on the right side
 

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He never gets on even when on the bench.Whats the point of having him there to come on if he don't come on,ever?:confused:
 

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Bigbee said:
even Northamptonbee in Brookers shirt on the right side
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I'm left footed.:nono:
Plus I don't like being called a Brooker and I would get sent off early as my mild manner goes bonkers on a football pitch.....just ask Jamie Bates.
 

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Pinault has natural talent with a ball at his feet. According to the Brentford v Brighton programme Pinault has givern away the most fouls with 37 which shows he isnt afraid to put in a tackle. After Blackpool at home and Northampton away i thought he was a real gem. I still believe he is the most creative player we have. For me the midfield partnership should be Leary and Pinault as Mousinho is actually a right back and not particularly good at that he dosent pass forward, make many crunching tackles or win many headers. After all if Mousinho had been that good surely Martin Allen would have taken him to The Dons with him knowing our financial state he would be very cheap. Leary can break up the play like Talbot used to do and Pinault can create the goals we desperately need. We have gone five games without a goal from open play which suggests we need someone who can create a goal in our starting 11 (Pinault). Lets hope we can find the net on saturday against Rotherham.
 

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walterbee said:
Pinault has natural talent with a ball at his feet. According to the Brentford v Brighton programme Pinault has givern away the most fouls with 37 which shows he isnt afraid to put in a tackle. After Blackpool at home and Northampton away i thought he was a real gem. I still believe he is the most creative player we have. For me the midfield partnership should be Leary and Pinault as Mousinho is actually a right back and not particularly good at that he dosent pass forward, make many crunching tackles or win many headers. After all if Mousinho had been that good surely Martin Allen would have taken him to The Dons with him knowing our financial state he would be very cheap. Leary can break up the play like Talbot used to do and Pinault can create the goals we desperately need. We have gone five games without a goal from open play which suggests we need someone who can create a goal in our starting 11 (Pinault). Lets hope we can find the net on saturday against Rotherham.
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Agree, I would have hoped Fitz could have accomodated him somehow as he is the only true midfield player ( with the exception a bit with Keith) who can actually create something. His early season form was more than a summer flair player, he has skill on the ball that no one else has. In my mind it shows Fitz's inexperience that he is playing it safe and direct with solid players rather than trying to play us out of trouble.
 

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Part of my point is that things do not seem to have changed all that much apart from a mini revival a couple of weeks back. There are new personnel in midfield compared to when Pinault last played. It may just be worthwhile seeing how he fits alongside Leary.
 

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TW1Bee said:
Part of my point is that things do not seem to have changed all that much apart from a mini revival a couple of weeks back. There are new personnel in midfield compared to when Pinault last played. It may just be worthwhile seeing how he fits alongside Leary.
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I'd rather see him alongside Mousinho. JM's improved a lot since the start of the season IMO - but him and leary are too similar to play together, and I think Mousinho's the better of the two. Pinault's got to be worth a go in there.
 

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leary and pinault, leary tackles when the rest are still thinking about it
 

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Pinault is only on the bench because we have few other options.
 

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Agree with SussexB - Pinault did a reasonable job when he came on at Bournemouth & he does actually work quite hard. JM & Leary are too similar & imo the latter has not been particularly impressive in the last 3-4 weeks. It may be the result of his 'virus' & if so he should be recovering his form soon, but the point remains that he & JM are clones & don't give us much creativity. There is little point playing with wide players if we have no-one who can give them the ball!
 

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maddogging said:
Pinault is an Aug+Sept player only, bit of sunshine on his back, nice lush grass, and he can run around on tiptoes playing his nice little 5-10 yard passes, but come October when the real season kicked in he went missing, never looked like creating anything, runs like a crab, and can't actually kick a ball more than 20 yards without toe poking it.
Skillful player, but a luxury, and certainly not what we need at the moment.
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Spot on :sorted:
 

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Regardless of who we have in midfield "creating" it will make no difference in the outcome.


We can't score enough goals because we don't have goalscoring strikers.

In all fairness we could have the most creative midfield in the country and i still don't think we could could score!!!!


Scored 29 goals all season
Kuffour 11
O'Connor 5
Ide 4
Moore 2
Willock 2
Frampton 1
Tillen 1
Heywood 1
Griffiths 1
Skulasson 1


Going on goals per game (in the starting 11)
Willock 0.5
Kuffour 0.33
Ide 0.29
O'Connor 0.16
Skulasson 0.1
Tillen 0.05
Frampton 0.04
Heywood 0.04
Griffiths 0.04

(Moore's stats aren't in there as i can't find how many games he started)

Going on goals per game (made an appearance)

Kuffour 0.32
Ide 0.25
O'connor 0.16
Willock 0.125
Skulasson 0.1
Heywood 0.04
Griffiths 0.04
Frampton 0.04
Tillen 0.04

Just thought this was interesting.

:fishing: :sorted:
 

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golferbee said:
Regardless of who we have in midfield "creating" it will make no difference in the outcome.


We can't score enough goals because we don't have goalscoring strikers.

In all fairness we could have the most creative midfield in the country and i still don't think we could could score!!!!


Scored 29 goals all season
Kuffour 11
O'Connor 5
Ide 4
Moore 2
Willock 2
Frampton 1
Tillen 1
Heywood 1
Griffiths 1
Skulasson 1


Going on goals per game (in the starting 11)
Willock 0.5
Kuffour 0.33
Ide 0.29
O'Connor 0.16
Skulasson 0.1
Tillen 0.05
Frampton 0.04
Heywood 0.04
Griffiths 0.04

(Moore's stats aren't in there as i can't find how many games he started)

Going on goals per game (made an appearance)

Kuffour 0.32
Ide 0.25
O'connor 0.16
Willock 0.125
Skulasson 0.1
Heywood 0.04
Griffiths 0.04
Frampton 0.04
Tillen 0.04

Just thought this was interesting.

:fishing: :sorted:
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You must be busy......;) lol
 

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golferbee said:
Regardless of who we have in midfield "creating" it will make no difference in the outcome.


We can't score enough goals because we don't have goalscoring strikers.

In all fairness we could have the most creative midfield in the country and i still don't think we could could score!!!!


Scored 29 goals all season
Kuffour 11
O'Connor 5
Ide 4
Moore 2
Willock 2
Frampton 1
Tillen 1
Heywood 1
Griffiths 1
Skulasson 1


Going on goals per game (in the starting 11)
Willock 0.5
Kuffour 0.33
Ide 0.29
O'Connor 0.16
Skulasson 0.1
Tillen 0.05
Frampton 0.04
Heywood 0.04
Griffiths 0.04

(Moore's stats aren't in there as i can't find how many games he started)

Going on goals per game (made an appearance)

Kuffour 0.32
Ide 0.25
O'connor 0.16
Willock 0.125
Skulasson 0.1
Heywood 0.04
Griffiths 0.04
Frampton 0.04
Tillen 0.04

Just thought this was interesting.

:fishing: :sorted:
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I really dont understand your point. You identify we have a goalscoring problem and then say we arent missing a creative midfield player.

Surely the reason we dont score enough goals is because the midfield doesnt provide poor Jo Kuffour with any ammuntion, he either has to make something all on his own from nothing or feed off a lay off from Shipperley.

Neither Leary or Mousinho possess the skill to play a through ball to a forward player, they dont have the footballing brain capable of doing it.
 

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Backs up the argument really. Only OS of our midfield players has scored from open play this season (excluding Ide who really is a forward). Yet we are playing two defensive options in m/field & are therefore basically set up like a defensive away side even when we are playing at home.

Not suggesting that Pinault is the ideal answer , imo he isn't. But at the moment there is no creativity & no-one from midfield supporting whoever is playing as a striker. The only option we have in our squad to do that is Pinault apart from Carder-Andrews which shouldn't be an option until we are relegated when a few games for him might be useful in experience terms
 

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jmcp said:
I really dont understand your point. You identify we have a goalscoring problem and then say we arent missing a creative midfield player.

Surely the reason we dont score enough goals is because the midfield doesnt provide poor Jo Kuffour with any ammuntion, he either has to make something all on his own from nothing or feed off a lay off from Shipperley.

Neither Leary or Mousinho possess the skill to play a through ball to a forward player, they dont have the footballing brain capable of doing it.
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My point is that even when we create, and we have created far far more chances than 29, of which some were goals created purely by the player themselves.
We simply don't score enough of the chances that we create.

People are saying we have no creativity in midfield, yet wide left and right we have Keith (a great crosser of the ball ) and Ide who does create and run at the opposition.

Just my opinion.
 

Pinault

Best player on the pitch today.
 
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