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I'm sure there will be a warm welcome for the man who arguably ruined Nathan Elder as a football league player.
 

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Elder lost the physical side of his game after Attwell and most of his confidence in my opinion. If he had had his arm up to protect himself better against Mills he may not have got clattered so badly.
 

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Hopefully another Crewe like performance from us meaning Atwell won't have any big decisions to make which its' when it all goes wrong for him.

I just hope we are not talking about him at 5.00 pm....
 

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YORKIE said:
It always makes me angry when I read of referees like Attwell and others who have "mares" refereeing a premiership game , - are then disciplined and "demoted" to the lower leagues. The implication behind this is "well it doesn't matter if he makes errors in those matches", he is being punished.
So are we! Just like premiership managers, lower league managers can lose their jobs and fans see their teams robbed of promotions by "lousy" referees - if they keep making mistakes they should be asked /told to quit the job.
We seem to have had more than our fair share of rubbish officiating at our matches why should we (along with other lower league clubs) have to tolerate incompetence. Once upon a time referees used to officiate in all 4 leagues - which I am sure was beneficial for both them and the clubs - some good/some average and some poor. Now, it is deemed that only the elite premiership league has to have the best.
Their greed and well being is seen as vital - the rest of us are of no consequence.
So much for the legacy of the Premiership.
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You have hit the nail firmly on the head. Attwell was promoted too early and found himself very much out of his depth. Lets hope he doesnt make a fool of himself again today.
 

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So away to Orient and a bit of a surprise.

Phil Dowd will be refereeing. Yes him, the rather portly PL ref, one of the more recognisable faces in refereeing in the country. He has reffed Bees games before, but some years ago now.
He will be assisted by John Brooks of Leicester and Lee Betts of Great Yarmouth.

Brooks is a PL lino. Betts is a regular at GP, lining in 2 games last season. Firstly the win at MK Dons and earlier in the season the goalless draw at home to Scunthorpe.

4th official Andy D'Urso. So lets hope nothing happens to Mr Dowd
 

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With Cooks comments last weekend and the Rowlands history, I think the referees association are preparing for a nasty one, so thought it appropriate to call some of their supposed top officals who have not been called upon by UEFA this week to step in for this one.
 

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Artixbee said:
With Cooks comments last weekend and the Rowlands history, I think the referees association are preparing for a nasty one, so thought it appropriate to call some of their supposed top officals who have not been called upon by UEFA this week to step in for this one.
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I doubt if it's anything to do with a potentially "nasty" game. Sky probably dont want the normal third tier dross refereeing their live match.
 

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Glenisterbee said:
You have hit the nail firmly on the head. Attwell was promoted too early and found himself very much out of his depth. Lets hope he doesnt make a fool of himself again today.
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Have to say I thought Attwell was excellent. Suprised me too :shrug:
 

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Castleview said:
I doubt if it's anything to do with a potentially "nasty" game. Sky probably dont want the normal third tier dross refereeing their live match.
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I think there may be some truth in your thoughts and in Artixbee's thoughts. Unusual appointment for a UEFA referee. Maybe Dowd wanted the game as he is only 4th officiating this weekend, and hasnt been out in the middle since 25 August. Which can only be to our advantage. I dont see Dowd as wanting to spoil the match, like some do on TV (Webster!! who is no longer a FL ref), as he has nothing to prove. Im sure he will just want a nice quiet entertaining game and would like the Bees to win 3-0!
 
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He also probably went PGMOL and asked for a game similar to the Cup Final he refereed in May, and they said 'Phil, we got just the right game, what are you doing Thursday night?'
 

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On to the Pornmuff game.

Ref... Oliver Langford of Wednesbury
Linos...Charles Breakspear of Walton-on-Thames & Michael Bull of Chelmsford
4th official...Mark Derrien of Dorchester

Langford reffed just one Bees game last season, the JPT defeat at Barnet, and the last league game was the 2-0 win at Southampton. That does seem a long time ago now!
Breakspear is a face we used to see a lot at GP, because of his locality, but not so much anymore as he is a PL & UEFA lino from last season. He in fact lined the Arsenal-Saints game this weekend. Unusually for a PL lino he is also a Blue Sq Prem ref, so I wouldnt be surprised to see him as a FL ref next season.
Mr Bull is a different proposition all together! Possibly one of my most hated officials! The lino who gave that awful offside decision against Alexander at Colchester last season (local bias!) and followed it up with another indifference performance in the home game against Bury. We do seem to get this official a lot, not sure what we have done to deserve that! He is also been a Blue Square Prem ref, but for some years now, so lets hope his chance for promotion has passed!
Odd that the 2 linos would be seen to be from the South East rather that the South West or West Country for this match.
 

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Langford reffed the Gillingham game when Nathan Elder was sent off
 

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Tomorrows ref, Mr Graham, seems to have a liking for sending bees off :-
Deon Burton in 2008
Charlie Mac 2009
& Pim 2010
 

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Have just seen the preview on the club website... this one doesn't seem to agree with us for some reason. :sad:
 

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YORKIE said:
It always makes me angry when I read of referees like Attwell and others who have "mares" refereeing a premiership game , - are then disciplined and "demoted" to the lower leagues. The implication behind this is "well it doesn't matter if he makes errors in those matches", he is being punished.
So are we! Just like premiership managers, lower league managers can lose their jobs and fans see their teams robbed of promotions by "lousy" referees - if they keep making mistakes they should be asked /told to quit the job.
We seem to have had more than our fair share of rubbish officiating at our matches why should we (along with other lower league clubs) have to tolerate incompetence. Once upon a time referees used to officiate in all 4 leagues - which I am sure was beneficial for both them and the clubs - some good/some average and some poor. Now, it is deemed that only the elite premiership league has to have the best.
Their greed and well being is seen as vital - the rest of us are of no consequence.
So much for the legacy of the Premiership.
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I hate to burst the bubble but this simply is NOT the case. It is a myth fulled by ignorant pundits and presenters who have no idea if the facts.

Dermot Gallagher and Graeme Poll have both been on talk sport in the last 6 month saying this doesn't happen and is not a policy in any way shape or form. Every single premiership referee has to take charge of a certain amount of lower league games in a season, lazy pundits always highlight a premiership refs poor performance as being linked to his next game in the championship. What they do not highlight is the amount of times a ref makes a hash in the premiership and doesn't wind up at GP the following Saturday which far out ways the former.
Didn't that fat bloke take charge of our game at Leyton last week, I don't remember him having a bad game in the premiership the week before.

No, it is just a big lie so do not let it wind you up anymore.
 

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Moysy said:
Tomorrows ref, Mr Graham, seems to have a liking for sending bees off :-
Deon Burton in 2008
Charlie Mac 2009
& Pim 2010
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ffs * bets on Oldham *
 

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mhead bee said:
I hate to burst the bubble but this simply is NOT the case. It is a myth fulled by ignorant pundits and presenters who have no idea if the facts.

Dermot Gallagher and Graeme Poll have both been on talk sport in the last 6 month saying this doesn't happen and is not a policy in any way shape or form. Every single premiership referee has to take charge of a certain amount of lower league games in a season, lazy pundits always highlight a premiership refs poor performance as being linked to his next game in the championship. What they do not highlight is the amount of times a ref makes a hash in the premiership and doesn't wind up at GP the following Saturday which far out ways the former.
Didn't that fat bloke take charge of our game at Leyton last week, I don't remember him having a bad game in the premiership the week before.

No, it is just a big lie so do not let it wind you up anymore.
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But there is some substance to what Yorkie is saying, yes Premier League refs will referee lower league games but someone like Atwell has been deemed so poor that he was been demoted from the 'select group' Premier League list and so wont referee at that level unless he improves but he is seen to be ok to referee at lower league level.

Also im almost certain there has been cases where a top flight ref has made an absolute rick in a game and the powers that be have decided to keep that ref out the limelight if he was due to ref a big game the next week and give him something like a 4th official role in a fixture. If that same ref made that rick and then was due to officiate a Brentford game the next weekend I'm pretty sure he would stay in place for it as planned.
 

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mhead bee said:
I hate to burst the bubble but this simply is NOT the case. It is a myth fulled by ignorant pundits and presenters who have no idea if the facts.

Dermot Gallagher and Graeme Poll have both been on talk sport in the last 6 month saying this doesn't happen and is not a policy in any way shape or form. Every single premiership referee has to take charge of a certain amount of lower league games in a season, lazy pundits always highlight a premiership refs poor performance as being linked to his next game in the championship. What they do not highlight is the amount of times a ref makes a hash in the premiership and doesn't wind up at GP the following Saturday which far out ways the former.
Didn't that fat bloke take charge of our game at Leyton last week, I don't remember him having a bad game in the premiership the week before.

No, it is just a big lie so do not let it wind you up anymore.
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Not strictly true, Martin Atkinson did not referee a Football League match at all last season, this weekend he is in the middle for one for the first time since May 2011, but you are right in saying that there is no rule that says if you have a bad game in the PL you are demoted to the FL otherwise Lee Mason would be reffing in the FL every other week.
 

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Sorry bit slow on the details this weekend but as Moysy pointed out Fred Graham is the ref today. Fred is from Stanford-le-Hope and has been pointed out likes showing red cards playing in red&white stripes. Lets hope he is confused today by the silver!

Linos are...John Magill from Colchester & Darren Blunden of Dartford
4th official....Robert Hodges of Milton Keynes.

Magill is another familiar face at GP. He last lined here in the defeat to Stevenage in October, and the previous year against Yeovil. Not a lucky omen at all. Blunden too is making his annual visit to GP, last season lining the opening win of the season against Yeovil. Both linos ref in the Isthmian League.
 

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Fred Graham, anonymous first half but holy crap bags that fella stank the whole county up in the second half. What was going on? The guy just went to pot, so many free kicks that baffled, missed so many incidents with the pick of the bunch being the kick to farids achilles, plain shocking.
Hopefully will not see this cock at GP for a long time.
 

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Brentford 4 Life said:
Appalling is a bit much, he werent great but appalling is overdoing it a bit.
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To be fair I have seen alot worse, but there were times that I couldn't understand his decisions whatsoever, just got things blatantly wrong too many times IMO, but oh well, we won..
 

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Spoke to him and assistants after the game....

Assistant said that the referee was shouting pass back 3-4 times before the keeper picked it up.....
The yellow at the end was because he felt our guy (can not remember who now - Fredericks maybe?) went in a bit rash apparently... I didn't think so, but never mind - his view is different to mine...
He also felt he had a good game, no complaints from any of the players.

However, I thought there were some puzzling decisions.. I didn't think it was a back pass. I thought the defender slid in to intercept the pass and the ball went to the keeper - I wouldn't say it was a pass to the keeper, just that was the direction it took.
The yellow above I mentioned I thought was poor, but as I said above, angles and views are different and will create different opinions.
A few free kicks I thought were strange too, with one sticking to mind in our half, where 2-3 players seemed to collide, the referee blew up and think it was Douglas responded as such like 'what did I do wrong ref?', to find he got given the free kick.
 

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I thought the ref had no control over the game at all today. Players were taking drinks breaks whenever they fancied it. He was overly fussy with free kicks. Missed a couple of blatant elbows from them, and also didn't crack down on some play acting, and diving.

Mind you he wasn't helped by the lino on the new road side who was like a midget Right Said Fred.
 

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ladbroke said:
Spoke to him and assistants after the game....


A few free kicks I thought were strange too, with one sticking to mind in our half, where 2-3 players seemed to collide, the referee blew up and think it was Douglas responded as such like 'what did I do wrong ref?', to find he got given the free kick.
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Yes, 2-3 of our players collided with one of theirs, I thought it was a case of outnumbering him rather than fouling him so I shouted come on ref, that was a bit harsh but then couldnt believe my eyes when he gave the kick to us.
 

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Dickov was moaning at decisions going our way for the whole 90 minutes to the 4th official. How to upset both sides? Some refs manage it!
 

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A Real Mysteron said:
I thought the ref had no control over the game at all today. Players were taking drinks breaks whenever they fancied it. He was overly fussy with free kicks. Missed a couple of blatant elbows from them, and also didn't crack down on some play acting, and diving.

Mind you he wasn't helped by the lino on the new road side who was like a midget Right Said Fred.
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Whenever I have seen Fred Graham referee he has shown that he is not up to standard and misses the major decisions whilst giving free kicks for petty things.He was the referee of our away game at Gillingham when he sent Nathan Elder off which started the rumpus on the touchline between the two managers and showed his lack of control in that situation.He also comes across as very arrogant.

Just my opinion of course.
 

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Aberdeen flyer said:
Whenever I have seen Fred Graham referee he has shown that he is not up to standard and misses the major decisions whilst giving free kicks for petty things.He was the referee of our away game at Gillingham when he sent Nathan Elder off which started the rumpus on the touchline between the two managers and showed his lack of control in that situation.He also comes across as very arrogant.

Just my opinion of course.
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No, he sent of Charlie MacDonald at Gillingham it was Oliver Langford who did for Nathan Elder and missed the Garry Richards offence
 

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Bit late again. Tranmere officials

Robert Lewis of Shrewsbury
Joe Clark of Walsall & Michael Denton of Todmorden
4th official. Ken Haycock of Bradford

Without looking at any info of the top of my head i know Lewis is either a 2nd or 3rd year ref. I think 2nd year.
Joe Clark is a rookie linesman and Denton was 4th official at Bury.

Normal service resumes next time!
 

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I'm not up to Boscombe Bee's level of research but Tuesday's ref will be Tim Robinson who is in his first season as a football league referee so can only assume he's never reffed us before.
 

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Comes from Bognor and has only done 4 or 5 games (League 2) and this will be his first League One game - was on Conference and report on his game at Southend said he was totally inept.We shall see on Tuesday.
 
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Ref yesterday completely out of his depth. Descended into a rugby match at times, too many stoppages.
 

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super J said:
I'm not up to Boscombe Bee's level of research but Tuesday's ref will be Tim Robinson who is in his first season as a football league referee so can only assume he's never reffed us before.
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He's from Sussex. I know him personally, and he's a great bloke. Got promoted this season after doing lots of football league lines and conference middles last year. Big prospect from what I hear...
 
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I'm sure the nice upstart ref, rubbing his hands in glee as he steps up to his first League One game, will fall very quickly to earth on Tuesday when he enters the Referees dressing room (judging by how it looked in May- apologies if Ikea/ Homebase/ Wicks have been sponsored to spruce it up since then!)

I play for a fairly decent Sunday side that has FAR superior and more spacious team changing rooms (with two Number 2 Cubicles) and better ref rooms (albeit without the caravan kettle and 13" Akai miniature TV wedged in the top corner, as per BFC) and whilst Sunday League is obviously very slightly below League One, the changing rooms do differ in quality; from sh*t-hole park council that doubles as a rat-infested dung-riddled horse barn, to a freshly purpose built Chartered Club that puts a premier-level Travelodge entry-level room to shame)

In all seriousness, it's a bit shocking, really. As Alan Partridge in his latest comedy tour DIDN'T even think to mention, space is obviously limited in that corner of Bremaer Road but the ref dressing room looked FAR from adequate.

ON a subconscious level, can't exactly ENGENDER a ref to the home team!!

Granted, the Home changing room is acceptable - there's sufficient grey cushioning to the main bench to give it an 'air' of luxury, but the showers are Boarding School quality and there's only ONE toilet (side note: what happens if more than one player is having contraptions at half time?!) And the away room? Pah! No wonder away teams jog out with agression.

It doesn't help to display a huge signers framed poster of Zidane's famous World Cup head-but on the Ref dressing room wall

One of the above if a fib: of which merits a Trevor Brooking

However, there is one caveat - the talented ref IS reportedly journeying from BOGNOR REGIS.
 
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As has been said previously indeed the ref is Mr Robinson of Bognor Regis who is a rookie ref. Noticeably PGMOL have been keen to get their rookie officials at a level higher than League 2 rather quickly this season compared to previous years. Had an amusing moment in his first game north of Dagenham at Chesterfield, where he had to be treated for cramp! Already we have had a spate of rookie linos this season. Although a rookie FL ref, Mr Robinson is no stranger to GP having run the line in the past here, most recently the 2-0 home defeat to Sheffield United last season.

He will be assisted by Mathew Buonassisi of Rushden and Barry Holderness of Wickford.

Again Buonassisi is no stranger to us. He is about the size of Tom Thumb an as folically challenged as Harry Hill. Seems to be well regarded in referee circles although every time i have seen him he has had a bit of a mare. He has a bit of a reputation for getting over involved. Most recently lined in the 2-0 win over Rochdale in March, and before that had a poor performance in the JPT at Charlton. Previously called Mathew McLaughlin. No idea why the name change but Im sure its none of our business!
Mr Holderness too is another familiar face to Bees fans. He lined in the defeat at Stevenage in April, and games against Charlton and Tranmere last season. A Blue Sq South ref.

4th official. David Avent of Northampton.
 

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Boscombe Bee said:
As has been said previously indeed the ref is Mr Robinson of Bognor Regis who is a rookie ref. Noticeably PGMOL have been keen to get their rookie officials at a level higher than League 2 rather quickly this season compared to previous years. Had an amusing moment in his first game north of Dagenham at Chesterfield, where he had to be treated for cramp! Already we have had a spate of rookie linos this season. Although a rookie FL ref, Mr Robinson is no stranger to GP having run the line in the past here, most recently the 2-0 home defeat to Sheffield United last season.

He will be assisted by Mathew Buonassisi of Rushden and Barry Holderness of Wickford.

Again Buonassisi is no stranger to us. He is about the size of Tom Thumb an as folically challenged as Harry Hill. Seems to be well regarded in referee circles although every time i have seen him he has had a bit of a mare. He has a bit of a reputation for getting over involved. Most recently lined in the 2-0 win over Rochdale in March, and before that had a poor performance in the JPT at Charlton. Previously called Mathew McLaughlin. No idea why the name change but Im sure its none of our business!
Mr Holderness too is another familiar face to Bees fans. He lined in the defeat at Stevenage in April, and games against Charlton and Tranmere last season. A Blue Sq South ref.

4th official. David Avent of Northampton.
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Isn't he the Danny De VIto lookalike
 

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Boscombe Bee said:
Bit late again. Tranmere officials

Robert Lewis of Shrewsbury
Joe Clark of Walsall & Michael Denton of Todmorden
4th official. Ken Haycock of Bradford

Without looking at any info of the top of my head i know Lewis is either a 2nd or 3rd year ref. I think 2nd year.
Joe Clark is a rookie linesman and Denton was 4th official at Bury.

Normal service resumes next time!
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Ref seemed to have his heart set on a home win. Didnt want to upset the status quo.
 

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Listening to the game on Bees Player. Ref Robinson sounded a little out of his depth for his first League 1 match. Confusion over the penalty and some poor decisions. His appointment did surprise me somewhat as rookies are not normally fasttracked this quickly.

One of the linos was also said to be giving some poor decisions. That wouldnt be our mini me lookalike Mr Buonassisi would it?

On another note reading on the BBC site that ref Dean Mohareb was been arrested for hacking into a referee officials email inbox and passing the details to the media. So m sure we will never be seeing him again! He reffed 2 Bees games before, both last season. Our loss at Bournemouth and the 2-2 draw at Tranmere
 

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How he mistook the assistants call for a penalty is amateurish... the signal is a flag across his chest, but he didn't do that and the referee gave a penalty... corrected his mistake..
Plenty of fouls I thought he overlooked too..
All 3 officials I thought were poor...
 

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ladbroke said:
How he mistook the assistants call for a penalty is amateurish... the signal is a flag across his chest, but he didn't do that and the referee gave a penalty... corrected his mistake..
Plenty of fouls I thought he overlooked too..
All 3 officials I thought were poor...
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I wondered what had happened, as the ref didn't give it for a few seconds,so I guessed he awarded it on the lino's advice, so I was surprised when he changed the decision after speaking to the lino
 

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Pat Miller from Bedfordshire is ref on Saturday v Crawley.We have had him several times and he likes a red card or two - think he has already dished out 3 this season.Thankfully
I am going on holiday !!
 

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Somewhat surprising for a ref in his 3rd year to be reffing a Bees game for the first time. Michael Naylor is from Sheffield and isnt the worst ref but is neither the best.

His assistants will be Adrian Gillett from Aylesbury and Ian Fissenden from Gravesend. Both linos are rookie linos, so in other words all 3 on field match officials are taking to GP for the very first time.

4th official. Nigel Lugg of Chipstead.
 
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