Relegation?

[aawharris]

good post.....agree and have said it before last week.....its the fans club, not one individual

What happens when that one individual is a fan?
I STILL think this is massively overlooked by the Benham bashers

 

[Gee Bee]

Tarkowski and Odubajo were signed on stats

Not purely stats, Tony McParland brother of Frank was our northern scout who recommended Tarkowski too.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Thanks NB for adding a bit more colour, what are the chances that Walsall Bee and Magic will ignore both our posts? Warburton was quite happy to utilise Matthew's database and stats team when it suited him. Those in the know within football were actually shocked how native is suddenly became, but as you and I both know this suited the game he was playing at the time.

Gray's agent worked for a company that Frank is very friendly with, Gray, the ex-chesterfield rb and Joey Barton plus another who Burnley have signed all belong to this agency, I think Frank has a good relationship with them and that might describe how they got Gray on our radar.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Not purely stats, Tony McParland brother of Frank was our northern scout who recommended Tarkowski too.

I thought Tarks was our purest stats ever or at least the first one, I heard he kept popping up as a high scorer and was scouted on the back of it, the rest is history.

 

[Leicester Bee]

I did used to get probably biased reviews from his old man for many years (RIP) that Jim could have been a "contender".

Fair play to him. I've never pictured Jim as ever playing.....and I remember when Beesotted fanzine turned over the newly formed Beesotted FC in 2001 by 12 goals to nil. That Beesotted team was fearsome, apart from David Lane. Just remember Wellish kicking the crap out of us.

 

[King Bee]

Not purely stats, Tony McParland brother of Frank was our northern scout who recommended Tarkowski too.

Yes, it was bit of both. In fact we've never done a signing purely on stats, although it is how the process usually starts i.e. with Tarks. I was merely trying to emphasise that this approach has been adopted by the club for some time now. It is no different to how other clubs approach signings, it is just that our database has more depth which we think can give us a competitive advantage in spotting talent before the bigger clubs do.

 

[Indian Bee]

Not read all of this thread but I have no issues whatsoever someone starting a thread. It's how they feel so let them.

we will be safe as there certainly more than three worst teams than us. In fact a lot more.

Remember last October there were many on here saying it will be a long hard winter. Then Dallas scores a last minute goal and our season changed.

All we need actually is a slice of luck because from where I am sitting we have had **** all luck so far.

 

[theraaaven]

stay up go down ....... doesnt matter still be here next season

 

[aawharris]

I thought Tarks was our purest stats ever or at least the first one, I heard he kept popping up as a high scorer and was scouted on the back of it, the rest is history.

But what that ALSO says (for all you stats moaners) is that he was SCOUTED ASWELL after the stats identified him to us.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Fair play to him. I've never pictured Jim as ever playing.....and I remember when Beesotted fanzine turned over the newly formed Beesotted FC in 2001 by 12 goals to nil. That Beesotted team was fearsome, apart from David Lane. Just remember Wellish kicking the crap out of us.

And that is why I am never going to tell Wellish that we took a beating and I think it was down to Jim, Wellish and I were quite mental, he was and probably still that bit more barking........

 

[nick logan]

Relegation indeed ! We are on train back with the players and staff. Glad they can see us and not this sh*t

 

[nick logan]

Relegation indeed ! We are on train back with the players and staff , read the boro forums to see what they thought of our team

 

[aawharris]

Relegation indeed ! We are on train back with the players and staff. Glad they can see us and not this sh*t

Maybe you should show them it and prove 99% of fans are behind them, and back them fully
The other 1% aren't worth being bothered by, but every club has them

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Relegation indeed ! We are on train back with the players and staff. Glad they can see us and not this

Show them it mate, it might help pass time.

 

[nick logan]

Apologies for edits the wifi keeps cutting out

 

[Leicester Bee]

And that is why I am never going to tell Wellish that we took a beating and I think it was down to Jim, Wellish and I were quite mental, he was and probably still that bit more barking........

Wellish spent the entire time getting changed, growling, shouting, and generally making us really scared. They had won the game at that point. He then did a Vinnie Jones tackle on Steve McMahon in the first minute, and our entire team shat ourselves.

12-0 was just rubbing our noses in it. I subsequently resigned as manager actually lol

 

[Hamburger Hill]

does anyone think it's going to be a battle to stay up this season?

Yes of course it will....nothing worth having comes easy does it?

Do I believe our owner, his staff and the head coach and players are giving their all? Yes of course.

Our "job" as fans is simple - give our players and management every advantage over our opposition. Whether that means making our players feel "10ft tall" with our unwavering support or getting under the skin of the opposition keeper to induce a mistake or lack of concentration then that's just fine by me...

Also every single season from this point on will be a struggle to either maintain our Championship status or hopefully in years to come maintaining our PL status...

 

[nick logan]

Show them it mate, it might help pass time.

We drinking and having a laugh , met nice Hartlepool fan who summed it up " you lot must be living the dream we used to play you all the time "
I said " most of us are " ?

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Wellish spent the entire time getting changed, growling, shouting, and generally making us really scared. They had won the game at that point. He then did a Vinnie Jones tackle on Steve McMahon in the first minute, and our entire team shat ourselves.

12-0 was just rubbing our noses in it. I subsequently resigned as manager actually lol

Wellish and I played men's football very young, he played at RB and I was at CF, we could both play but we were always encouraging one another to take out who was marking the other, he had little wingers to deal with and I had big CBs but we did boys proud more often than not, I allays remember letting my guy know idea about early on one day and all I could hear was wellish shouting "well done son" at me, he was a day older than me and calling me son FFS. Wellish is a character, I only see him briefly in the forecourt before games but he was Gray to grow up around, I went to a pincer school but the Isleworth lot kept me sane. Apologies for rambling but it's nearly five here and I'm on my third big vodka after swimming and sun worshipping.

 

[abee]

Tarkowski and Odubajo were signed on stats.........

Interesting.

The official site yesterday said that Tarkowski (and Alan Judge) came to us because they were recommended by Tony McParland in his capacity as Brentford FC scout. I'm not sure exactly how it works......do we have scouts putting forward the names of players and we then run the stats on them or do we do the stats first and ask our scouts to run the rule on the player?

http://www.brentfordfc.co.uk/news/article/brentford-fc-scout-tony-mcparland-dies-2690220.aspx

 

[Lush55]

Apologies for edits the wifi keeps cutting out

My wifey has cut out going to any more away games.....get in there :bound::banana:
Safe trip mate..........oh WIFI......ooops........

 

[King Bee]

Interesting.

The official site yesterday said that Tarkowski came to us because he was recommended by Tony McParland in his capacity as Brentford FC scout. I'm not sure exactly how it works......do we have scouts putting forward the names of players and we then run the stats on them or do we do the stats first and ask our scouts to run the rule on the player?

Works both ways I believe although you're right there has to be some sort of flag - whether its a stats anomaly or a scout initially doing the recommendation, both are used. In the case of Gray it was his agent that initially approached us, we ran the stats, liked what we saw but the move I'm led to believe was initially pooh-poohed by Warburton. Tarks was both stats and a recommendation.

 

[Billy Hunt]

There is though a huge difference between moaning and whinging and expressing an opinion that might not chime with your own.

Island Bee's borrowed quote summed it up perfectly at the start of this thread - 'Blind belief in authority is the greatest enemy of truth' Albert Einstein.

As fans we have every right to express an opinion and for the record I don't go along with the comment often made to me "It's Matthew's club, he can do what he likes".

NO... IT'S OUR CLUB. He is the custodian and thankfully he's a very good, loyal and true one that we can trust, but that does not make him exempt from accountability. Otherwise it risks becoming a dictatorship.

I'd say he's a bit more than just a custodian. Matthew Benham is Brentford Football Club's life-support machine, at the moment, and is trying to establish a way of running the club that will mean he doesn't have to be, in the future.

 

[Billy Hunt]

When NLB posted last night a list of all the players out injured

 

[ruislip bee]

I'd say he's a bit more than just a custodian. Matthew Benham is Brentford Football Club's life-support machine, at the moment, and is trying to establish a way of running the club that will mean he doesn't have to be, in the future.

Probably the most accurate post ever to appear on the GPG. Well said Billy. No go back to nursing your pussy.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Very good Billy Hunt.

 

[abee]

Works both ways I believe although you're right there has to be some sort of flag - whether its a stats anomaly or a scout initially doing the recommendation, both are used. In the case of Gray it was his agent that initially approached us, we ran the stats, liked what we saw but the move I'm led to believe was initially pooh-poohed by Warburton. Tarks was both stats and a recommendation.

I have stayed away from getting involved in the current GPG spats but your post interested me because it was not as I understood it. The signings of Tarkowski and Judge were credited only yesterday to Tony McParland recommendations on the official site and his brother Frank says that when he (Frank) joined BFC Tony recommended the two players to him and we managed to sign them.......and excellent signings they have been too in (I would hazard) the judgement of all of us.........what was it £600k for the pair I believe without referring back to my files??

 

[jlove]

I think it's about that time again to repost this:

The key to understanding about analytics is we are talking about a model. It is not reality. It is a model of reality. Too many think models are the truth. You absolutely a hundred per cent still need the old school input from scouts, just not on its own. There is room for subjective judgement, as long as it is part of a bigger picture.

Everything we do is a mix of the subjective and the objective. ...

 

[nick logan]

I'd say he's a bit more than just a custodian. Matthew Benham is Brentford Football Club's life-support machine, at the moment, and is trying to establish a way of running the club that will mean he doesn't have to be, in the future.

Oh my , what a post

 

[Gee Bee]

I have stayed away from getting involved in the current GPG spats but your post interested me because it was not as I understood it. The signings of Tarkowski and Judge were credited only yesterday to Tony McParland recommendations on the official site and his brother Frank says that when he (Frank) joined BFC Tony recommended the two players to him and we managed to sign them.......and excellent signings they have been too in (I would hazard) the judgement of all of us.........what was it £600k for the pair I believe without referring back to my files??

Judge was one that pretty much every BFC fan would have recommended though. He was a known good player and I wouldn't see that as much of a scouting venture.

 

[abee]

In the case of Gray it was his agent that initially approached us, we ran the stats, liked what we saw but the move I'm led to believe was initially pooh-poohed by Warburton.

I think that you can see where some of us are confused. We are never clear on which signings (other than the obvious overseas players) are stats based and which come from our UK scouts and it's only when someone in the know such as yourself from the BU board tells us these things that we can erm........ponder.

You are now telling us that it was only after his agent hawked him around that we ran the stats on Gray........I would have thought that the stats on a player who had scored what was it thirty(??) goals in the Conference in the previous season would already have been done and he was on our 'sign if we can get him for under £xxxx list'. If we only ran the stats AFTER his agent contacted us then respectfully there is to my mind a flaw in the system when it applies to UK players from lower divisions.

 

[Bill Benn]

good post.....agree and have said it before last week.....its the fans club, not one individual

I have been through the OUR club or FANS club era thanks and. It was dire even Martin Allen didn't want to be part of the road to the conference.We have Benhams way or no where as far as I'm concerned a man with a vision and the balls to finance it.If his initiative doesn't work out I hope he stays around and takes another route but there again there are many experts on here who could take over the running of the club although on second thoughts I doubt if they could run a bath.I know one expert on here couldn't organise a piss up in a pub and that's a fact

 

[abee]

Judge was one that pretty much every BFC fan would have recommended though. He was a known good player and I wouldn't see that as much of a scouting venture.

I agree and I was merely referring to the comment on the official site on how we supposedly came to sign Judge. I'm not looking to fight with anyone.........there's more than enough going around on here to last me the remainder of my lifetime.

 

[King Bee]

I have stayed away from getting involved in the current GPG spats but your post interested me because it was not as I understood it. The signings of Tarkowski and Judge were credited only yesterday to Tony McParland recommendations on the official site and his brother Frank says that when he (Frank) joined BFC Tony recommended the two players to him and we managed to sign them.......and excellent signings they have been too in (I would hazard) the judgement of all of us.........what was it £600k for the pair I believe without referring back to my files??

I don't have the figures to hand abee, but yes they've been excellent signings. I was told that Tarkowski was a stats signing, this seems to have been confirmed by Beesotted in a recent article and by others. Whether the initial flag was from Tony and we then crunched the numbers or vice versa I don't really know. Judge also arrived during the same Jan window when Warbs/McParland took over so that may well have been the case, although there were plenty of Bees fans at the time that could have flagged what a good signing he'd be given his previous spell at Notts Country. He was a fairly well known commodity.

 

[JimLevack]

I'll have you know I used to play for London Schools (with Stewart Robson) and South of England Unis back in the day and would have made it but my stats weren't good enough (THAT, everyone, was a joke). I was offered the equivalent of a YTS at Wimbledon in 1983 but my old man insisted I did my A levels and the chance was gone - in hindsight I didn't have the dedication to make it anyway.
Got to say that Wellish was one of the best midfielders I ever played with and would like to think he'd say the same about me up front. He knew how to pull my strings on the pitch, winding me up, riling me and then encouraging me. But for beer and pies he could have made it. Nice bloke off the field too.

Fair play to him. I've never pictured Jim as ever playing.....and I remember when Beesotted fanzine turned over the newly formed Beesotted FC in 2001 by 12 goals to nil. That Beesotted team was fearsome, apart from David Lane. Just remember Wellish kicking the crap out of us.

 

[Gee Bee]

I agree and I was merely referring to the comment on the official site on how we supposedly came to sign Judge. I'm not looking to fight with anyone.........there's more than enough going around on here to last me the remainder of my lifetime.

I realised that and thought it was an odd one on the OS to try and credit our Northern scout with, however RIP Tony McParland.

 

[Novice01274]

Ok if everybody is fit except for Hogan who was out last season. Do you think we have replaced Gray, Pritchard, Dallas, Moses Douglas & Toral with better.

Don't know...yet. Give players a chance to bed in and develop. After 6 games last year, five of those named above were still unproven at this level and none of us was sure they would flourish.

 

[To Bee Someone]

Not read through the thread but looking at who we've played so far I'm not that concerned whatsoever. Burnley and Boro will be up there and we could have taken points in those games. Bristol looked a decent side for this level and Reading seem to have galvanised in the summer and hit great form. Is there a team in the Championship with an injury list like ours. I greatly doubt anyone is even close.

Close thread please....

 

[Doovster]

No... I stopped supporting it when we was dismantled

I've just got back from lunch with a business associate who was the Managing Director of Watford for three years around ten years ago. He still has contacts in the football world and we were talking Brentford. He basically said that once a player has a better financial offer from another club that you are either unable or unwilling to match then that player is off. All you can do is the best for your club to ensure you get as big a fee as possible. This is from someone that effectively run a professional football club for three years.

He also said that once trust between a manager and owner is lost then there is only one thing to do, and that is for the manager to depart.

I think this chap is more informed about these things than the majority of us on here and this should put a stop to the belief that somehow Brentford have willingly sold the crown jewels.

To be honest, I didn't need to have this confirmed to me by someone who has worked in the game as it is clear to me that MB has the best interests of Brentford at heart.

As I think NB stated in an earlier post we are not doing that much different to what we have done during the last few years, apart from take away the final veto from the manager/coach. The reality is that there are no guarantees in football regardless of what approach you take. We have had a difficult short term period for all the reasons well documented on here already but the structure and systems we are using have actually delivered most of the success we have enjoyed these last few years. Patience is required when things don't quite to go plan and an acceptance that we are striving to achieve what the other 23 clubs in the Championship are also trying to achieve, and only 3 will be successful come the end of the season!!!!

 

[Frothybaby]

Intersting how this has highlighted the two sides. A bit like when someone is down and being ganged up on not many stand up for the weak but there always seem a big Firk off queue of those who want to join in on the give someone a right good kicking when they're prostrate.

 

[aawharris]

Intersting how this has highlighted the two sides. A bit like when someone is down and being ganged up on not many stand up for the weak but there always seem a big Firk off queue of those who want to join in on the give someone a right good kicking when they're prostrate.

Should that been concluded with a WHOOSH, as that has gone straight over my head

 

[MetalBee]

I said to my old man before the Leeds game that I expected a point at Leeds and probably lose again to Middlesborough.

I also said watch some idiots start slating things and banging on about relegation if so.

Ridiculous.


Preston, Sheffield Wednesday and Rotherham at home all coming up. 7-9 points up likely and we'll surely be in a much better league position.


Simmer down and back the team.

 

[mhead bee]

Magic, how is it even possible to offer an opinion after only six games and with several of our new signings having not even mustered a single minute of league action ? Take the forward line, we've lost Gray but replaced with Vibe, Hoffman and Djuricin. The latter has played barely two games, both away from home and I'll guess many, including you (?) haven't even seen him play. How can you claim that Gray's not been adequately replaced on the strength of that without being prepared for people to question what you're basing your opinions on ?

They are his opinions and whether they are made up or based on nothing other than his desire for misery you are supposed to allow him to say it, accept it as a valid argument and not question it on the sole basis that he is entitled to this opinion. To challenge it on the basis that he has (excuse me for sniggering to myself at this point) not even seen the friggin player play yet will be constituted as bullying, ganging up, being part of a happy clappy cloud and worst of all being accused of ignoring all opinion that doesn't agree with your own.

I do believe some village has lost its idiots.....

 

[Holysmit]

Fantastic wind up by Hanworth here. Was never sure if he was thick or a wind up merchant but now I know.

 

[mhead bee]

Strewth, this still rolling on??? Certainly seems to have split our fan base.

To be fair pipe I have decided to put all the negative ninnies onto ignore basing this thread as the catalyst to do so. After around 10 hours of this thread being in existence I have only had to put 3 people on ignore.

I think that tells its own story, we are not split, it is less than a handful of persistent moaners that are making it look worse than it is.

 

[NHBrentford]

Haven't been able to read through whole thread but this will hopefully be our team for the Second half of the season:

Button
Colin Tarkowski Dean Bidwell
Woods McEarchan
Jota Vibe Judge
Djuricin

Bench potentially : Toums, Mac, KK, Hoffman, Gogia, Barbet, McLeod etc Hogan and Bjelland waiting in the wings

That team will not go down.

I'll be disappointed if it doesn't make the play-offs.

 

[imprimerie]

"the gpg police" - you can't post nonsense, say "i'm entitled to an opinion" then be a crybaby if people have opinions of your opinions

we have no god-given right to stay up, and we are one of the smallest clubs in the division. we knew this would be a tough four days, two tough away games. by all accounts we exceeded expectations, played well and could have got more out of both games. interested to see how the next few games go. sounds like we're starting to click. can't believe the determination with which some people choose to be negative.

Yes I agree.
I'm not saying that we will be relegated,but if people think so and post it on this forum then so be it.
What ever happened to free speech?

 

[beebopalula]

I think it's about that time again to repost this:

Blimey. Talk about in a nutshell. That's why he is what he is.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Yes I agree.

I'm not saying that we will be relegated,but if people think so and post it on this forum then so be it.

What ever happened to free speech?

Do posts get deleted? Free speech includes the right to reply but I'm sure you realise that.

 

[Norfolk Bee]

No