Relegation?

[jlove]

It's not about being proved right... Nobody wants us relegated... if they do... They shouldn't be on here... People have opinions and are well within their right to express them.. People are within their right to worry about what's happening.. We are near the bottom.. Regardless of "player injuries" we have bought players in to cover this but still seem to be struggling on the pitch... I have to be honest.. And I couldn't give a monkeys if people don't like this but I fear we really could struggle ... Such a shame as we did so well last season.. Not sure what happened .... Mmmm?

Did you actually watch the Leeds and/or 'boro games this season? Yes, everyone has a "right" to express an opinion... but those opinions have to be based on an appreciation of the facts. In my opinion, we look to be a better organised side than last season but that the disruption has left us with little cohesion. Step back to mid-September last season and I think we'd say the same and I'd also say we have more individual players this season who look to have something about them and less "he'll do a job" players.

 

[Billy Hunt]

are we in the same conversation

I don't think so. :laugh:

PLE is probably a bit tired after his trip to Boro.

I know he went to most games in '89/90.

 

[walsall bee]

That was a fair enough post up to 'I fear we really could struggle'. After that...

There's nothing wrong with being afraid, it's how you deal with, and portray you fears, that matters.

Chin up, walsall bee.

Love the encouraging attitude

 

[longdistancebee]

My old dad used to say that promotion form was win at home, draw away (back in the days before play-offs). We have had two home games and four away, so we should have 10 points. We only have five, so are five points short of automatic promotion, which says to me that on current form we have a good chance therefore of making the play-offs, even if the top two is therefore a bit of a push (and there is still 40 games to go). Chill, peeps....

 

[Doovster]

Nah, keep threads like this. I hope it will make for good reading by the end of the season. The alternative is that at the end of the season, the "told you so" brigade will revel in defeat and celebrate our relegation.......just so long as they're proved right.

I honestly don't believe the likes of tragicbee, Walsall, ROB etc will revel in us getting relegated. My only frustration is what I consider a knee jerk reaction to our challenging start and an apparent lack of acknowledgement of the trying circumstances which we've had to face as a club in the opening month or so.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but certain people seem to wallow in despair as opposed to trying to be more objective about the circumstances in play. If we are bottom three after 15 games or so I will be worried but at the moment my logic tells me we won't be.

 

[JimLevack]

Clearly we're not going to be relegated and I think upper end of mid table is realistic but there are some worrying aspects to what we've seen thus far.
Played well in patches at Leeds and - from what I heard on Beesplayer at Boro... no I wasn't at the game as people in some quarters have pointed out so can't be 100% accurate in what I write - so there is cause for optimism.
But to have two keepers on the bench at a place like Boro and then to expect a young lad to come on and change things, to my mind smacks of poor planning, naiveté and more importantly an acceptance that this first half of the season is little more than a very steep learning curve.
The new signings will take time to bed in, but I have slight doubts over one or two of them but for the most part I think they will be good acquisitions.
A lot has been made about the Boro fans saying how good they thought we were, which is pretty much irrelevant. Rival fans are always likely to be complimentary when they've just beaten us.
They also said what good football we played and - here's the worrying bit - just how open we were, allowing for a good game. That's lovely, but surely when you go somewhere like that with an injury ravaged squad you should be looking to keep it tight and nick something?
Before people start lumping me in with all the doom mongers, please let me stress I believe in the whole project and the direction we are taking BUT - and here's the crucial bit - I'm not prepared to follow blindly without the right to question elements within it.
That right of expression has always been one of the great joys of following Brentford, so those who question should not be vilified or made to look foolish on sites like this, where our passion shines through with every post.

 

[walsall bee]

were you asleep?

the players brought in to cover are also injured :sad:

we "could" struggle but i had a look at some of the runners and riders in the relegation race - do you see us finishing below enough of Huddersfield, Rotherham, MK Dons, Preston and Blackburn for it to be a problem? i suppose we'll have a better idea this weekend... hope we give PNE a hiding to get a little joy back on here

Hope so!! A nice 3-0 will be good

 

[hobbsy]

What I saw last night tells me we will finish in top half.
Anyone look at stats last night
poss boro 48% bees 52%
shots boro 18 bees 17
On target boro 4 bees 4
Basically they took there chances.
Second half I thought we where the better team.

We have played 3 of the hardest teams to beat away up North. Not many teams will win at Burnley and Boro this season.
Relegation no way.
I wonder if the chelsea forum has a similar thread on relegation??
Cannot wait for Logan to read this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As one of the 149 I concur with PLE, we will be fine this year. If they say luck evens itself out over the season we are going to have one great second half.

I say this comfortably sitting at Newcastle station waiting to return to normality.

Worry ye not.

 

[ZX Bee]

6 games in is far too early as others have said. And logically looking at the injuries we've had, results are perhaps understandable.

Can understand the frustration/panic though. A week in football seems like years when you're not winning

I've got no doubt though we'll be ok come the end of the season. We have a lot of quality in our squad, and when players start to come back, we'll start climbing the league.

 

[walsall bee]

Did you actually watch the Leeds and/or 'boro games this season? Yes, everyone has a "right" to express an opinion... but those opinions have to be based on an appreciation of the facts. In my opinion, we look to be a better organised side than last season but that the disruption has left us with little cohesion. Step back to mid-September last season and I think we'd say the same and I'd also say we have more individual players this season who look to have something about them and less "he'll do a job" players.

Based on facts???? The fact here mate is we are near bottom

 

[Leicester Bee]

It's not about being proved right... Nobody wants us relegated... if they do... They shouldn't be on here... People have opinions and are well within their right to express them.. People are within their right to worry about what's happening.. We are near the bottom.. Regardless of "player injuries" we have bought players in to cover this but still seem to be struggling on the pitch... I have to be honest.. And I couldn't give a monkeys if people don't like this but I fear we really could struggle ... Such a shame as we did so well last season.. Not sure what happened .... Mmmm?

Walsall, maybe not in your case, but there are those who are revelling in this. Believe me, I see stuff on Facebook (not even on the FB groups) that makes me shudder.

When Butcher was in charge, I went apoplectic at him when I travelled 350 miles to watch the Luton FA Cup replay at Griffin Park. There was a game when Leroy was in charge, when we were 4-0 down at half-time and I left a game early for the first time in my life. I whined on about the style of football being inadequate under Andy Scott when we were in League One. So thankfully, I know I'm not a blindly optimistic fan. I am pretty damned realistic. And for this season, I knew we'd struggle a bit, especially in the first half of the season, but when faced with 11 first team injuries, I'm surprised we're not struggling even more.
I've been to every game except for Boro, and I have seen improved performances. I can't deny that after the first 45 minutes against Reading, I wondered if Marinus had lost the dressing room, but from then on, I can see the players are getting behind him and the performances on the pitch have been vastly improved. The team isn't rolling over and dying out there. We were even praised by Boro fans as being better than last season in terms of performance. Leeds fans I spoke to on Saturday said that we looked like we'll be there or thereabouts this season if we perform like that.
Get back some of the injured players, allow Marinus to keep working with the players to keep getting his ideas across, and we could find ourselves creeping up the table.

If, against Leeds and Boro, we had not created chances, not played decent football, then I'd be one of the first to question wtf is going on with the team, even at this early stage. I've seen enough relegated Brentford teams to know that this one isn't going to get relegated.

 

[jlove]

Based on facts???? The fact here mate is we are near bottom

My actual words were "based on an appreciation of the facts."; 2 homes and 4 aways, two or three of those aways against clubs we were never going to expect anything from, and a game in hand.

 

[aawharris]

I saw the title of this thread, thought what a crock of ***** but gave it a look anyway.
Its not going to happen.
Close thread

 

[lionel2011]

Another thread to ignore

 

[Leicester Bee]

Clearly we're not going to be relegated and I think upper end of mid table is realistic but there are some worrying aspects to what we've seen thus far.
Played well in patches at Leeds and - from what I heard on Beesplayer at Boro... no I wasn't at the game as people in some quarters have pointed out so can't be 100% accurate in what I write - so there is cause for optimism.
But to have two keepers on the bench at a place like Boro and then to expect a young lad to come on and change things, to my mind smacks of poor planning, naiveté and more importantly an acceptance that this first half of the season is little more than a very steep learning curve.
The new signings will take time to bed in, but I have slight doubts over one or two of them but for the most part I think they will be good acquisitions.
A lot has been made about the Boro fans saying how good they thought we were, which is pretty much irrelevant. Rival fans are always likely to be complimentary when they've just beaten us.
They also said what good football we played and - here's the worrying bit - just how open we were, allowing for a good game. That's lovely, but surely when you go somewhere like that with an injury ravaged squad you should be looking to keep it tight and nick something?
Before people start lumping me in with all the doom mongers, please let me stress I believe in the whole project and the direction we are taking BUT - and here's the crucial bit - I'm not prepared to follow blindly without the right to question elements within it.
That right of expression has always been one of the great joys of following Brentford, so those who question should not be vilified or made to look foolish on sites like this, where our passion shines through with every post.

Just to answer some of your points, Jim:

What's wrong with accepting that the first half of this season is a steep learning curve? It's a new journey we're embarking on. I'm excited.
Rival fans also often say that the opposition are absolutely pants when they've just beaten teams, saying things like "they'll not be challenging", and so on. I don't remember us being complimentary about most of the teams we beat last season. And, a particular Boro fan I know who is an ex-Boro player and in professional coaching, messaged me this morning to tell me that we've got little to worry about. It'll take time but once we get going and with a bit of confidence, we'll be fine. And he wasn't at all complimentary about our team after the play-offs, saying how one-dimensional we were.
I'd actually agree to an extent, about the need to have done a Dick Turpin on them, but having said that, the team that Marinus put out created enough chances to win the game and at times, putting in a decent performance can actually build confidence. Maybe Marinus doesn't want to show too much respect? Regardless, this particular argument could go on and on, but actually, I'd have played a tighter, more defensive game myself.
And neither do I follow blindly either. As I said in another post, after the first 45 minutes against Reading, I was actually quite cacking it. The litmus test for me is always whether the players are behind the manager or not. It's patently obvious at the Leeds game that they are, and to follow that up with another good performance gives me alot of hope that things will turn around.

 

[mhead bee]

Just the opportunity I have been looking for and I will tell you why at the end of my post.

Firstly to respond to your message. Absolutely do not think we will be relegated because we have an outstanding squad that has been currently decimated. Still with a scratch team we stood toe to toe with the best team in the division and out played the mighty Leeds away from home.

If we were to be relegated I still think Mr Benham would bounce us straight back up and we would still have a great chance of seeing championship or premiership football in our new stadium.

Now, the reason I am glad to see this thread is that I was going to start one to help me locate the negative, constant moaners so I can put them all on ignore. I spend far too long on the GPG, my wife tells me that and I know it to be true. I have tried to stay away from it but like heroin I just can't do it.

I never thought the GPG could wind me up as much as it has for the last 8 months and I just can't take anymore from the people who live in these little miserable cocoons trying to find any reason to whine. I have worked with people in the past who did not have the capacity to see anything slightly positive in anything good or bad and and you used to hear their whinging voices in the background always complaining. These people ultimately end up very lonely individuals because they are no fun to be around and in fact are awful to be anywhere near. The constant over the top griping about everything and ignoring anything positive like it hasn't happened is a world I want no part of.

Can someone explain to me how to put someone on Ignore as I am not sure how to do it and this thread is a great starting point to weed all this misery out once and for all.

 

[Frothybaby]

I am happy for threads like this. I believe in what is trying to be done with Brentford. I believe in Mr B and why he's doing it. I don't think we will be relegated based on what I've read and heard, but won't get to see a game unfortunately until home to Birmingham. The dreadful run of luck regarding injuries, were it to continue, could see us struggle and ultimately fail to stay in the Championship, however it would have to get a lot worse for that to happen and something would be done to rectify the situation. Maybe we were very lucky last season. What would have happened had the fears of many on here been realised; if Gray, Button, Bidwell, Jota or even Judge/Pritchard been injured for any length of time? Posts like this demonstrate that we all care about Brentford. We only need to finish above the bottom three. It doesn't take many points to do that. It doesn't take many games to get that many points. Forgive me if it's been said before but it's not a sprint but a marathon!

Now, what I'd like to see is a thread about how many points we'll get over the next three home games, and maybe what our position in the table would be. However I don't know how to start a thread!

By the way, I heard/read why Leeds sing Champions of Europe and have been doing so for decades. Probably all know already but I thought it interesting.

 

[wanderer paul]

Break the season down into quarters, I do, look at where you are after 10-12 games, then after 12-24 games, then you'll get a clearer picture.

It's a tough start. Too early to talk about the R word. Injuries, new players, new management and a slightly different way of playing, takes time to bed in.

We'll be fine, be patient, support the group and believe in the Bees and MB.

 

[Mr Tree]

Can someone explain to me how to put someone on Ignore as I am not sure how to do it and this thread is a great starting point to weed all this misery out once and for all.

on the computer, you can click on their name, View Profile, Add to Ignore List

 

[wanderer paul]

To "Ignore" a poster, you'll need to be on the full version of the GPG, I think...... Click on their name, ie NorthamptonBee, it'll bring their profile up, you'll see a, "add to ignore list." button, click that, they'll be on "Ignore". Sadly, you cannot ignore the important people of the GPG, the Mods.

 

[aawharris]

Just the opportunity I have been looking for and I will tell you why at the end of my post.

Firstly to respond to your message. Absolutely do not think we will be relegated because we have an outstanding squad that has been currently decimated. Still with a scratch team we stood toe to toe with the best team in the division and out played the mighty Leeds away from home.

If we were to be relegated I still think Mr Benham would bounce us straight back up and we would still have a great chance of seeing championship or premiership football in our new stadium.

Now, the reason I am glad to see this thread is that I was going to start one to help me locate the negative, constant moaners so I can put them all on ignore. I spend far too long on the GPG, my wife tells me that and I know it to be true. I have tried to stay away from it but like heroin I just can't do it.

I never thought the GPG could wind me up as much as it has for the last 8 months and I just can't take anymore from the people who live in these little miserable cocoons trying to find any reason to whine. I have worked with people in the past who did not have the capacity to see anything slightly positive in anything good or bad and and you used to hear their whinging voices in the background always complaining. These people ultimately end up very lonely individuals because they are no fun to be around and in fact are awful to be anywhere near. The constant over the top griping about everything and ignoring anything positive like it hasn't happened is a world I want no part of.

Can someone explain to me how to put someone on Ignore as I am not sure how to do it and this thread is a great starting point to weed all this misery out once and for all.

Pretty much sums up exactly what i think too

 

[kevalutonbee]

Just the opportunity I have been looking for and I will tell you why at the end of my post.

Firstly to respond to your message. Absolutely do not think we will be relegated because we have an outstanding squad that has been currently decimated. Still with a scratch team we stood toe to toe with the best team in the division and out played the mighty Leeds away from home.

If we were to be relegated I still think Mr Benham would bounce us straight back up and we would still have a great chance of seeing championship or premiership football in our new stadium.

Now, the reason I am glad to see this thread is that I was going to start one to help me locate the negative, constant moaners so I can put them all on ignore. I spend far too long on the GPG, my wife tells me that and I know it to be true. I have tried to stay away from it but like heroin I just can't do it.

I never thought the GPG could wind me up as much as it has for the last 8 months and I just can't take anymore from the people who live in these little miserable cocoons trying to find any reason to whine. I have worked with people in the past who did not have the capacity to see anything slightly positive in anything good or bad and and you used to hear their whinging voices in the background always complaining. These people ultimately end up very lonely individuals because they are no fun to be around and in fact are awful to be anywhere near. The constant over the top griping about everything and ignoring anything positive like it hasn't happened is a world I want no part of.

Can someone explain to me how to put someone on Ignore as I am not sure how to do it and this thread is a great starting point to weed all this misery out once and for all.

I usually go to settings, on the left hand side there is a panel with the heading "My Settings" and about two thirds of the way down is Edit Ignore List. Type the username(s) in and away you go.

Word of warning though, if someone quotes someon on your ignore list you will still see what the ignored post said

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Can someone explain to me how to put someone on Ignore as I am not sure how to do it and this thread is a great starting point to weed all this misery out once and for all.

Go to a user's profile and in the top left box, there is a hyperlink Add to Ignore List. I used it for the first time ever this morning for two members. I wonder if anyone can guess who.

 

[JimLevack]

There is though a huge difference between moaning and whinging and expressing an opinion that might not chime with your own.

Island Bee's borrowed quote summed it up perfectly at the start of this thread - 'Blind belief in authority is the greatest enemy of truth' Albert Einstein.

As fans we have every right to express an opinion and for the record I don't go along with the comment often made to me "It's Matthew's club, he can do what he likes".

NO... IT'S OUR CLUB. He is the custodian and thankfully he's a very good, loyal and true one that we can trust, but that does not make him exempt from accountability. Otherwise it risks becoming a dictatorship.

 

[walsall bee]

Just the opportunity I have been looking for and I will tell you why at the end of my post.

Firstly to respond to your message. Absolutely do not think we will be relegated because we have an outstanding squad that has been currently decimated. Still with a scratch team we stood toe to toe with the best team in the division and out played the mighty Leeds away from home.

If we were to be relegated I still think Mr Benham would bounce us straight back up and we would still have a great chance of seeing championship or premiership football in our new stadium.

Now, the reason I am glad to see this thread is that I was going to start one to help me locate the negative, constant moaners so I can put them all on ignore. I spend far too long on the GPG, my wife tells me that and I know it to be true. I have tried to stay away from it but like heroin I just can't do it.

I never thought the GPG could wind me up as much as it has for the last 8 months and I just can't take anymore from the people who live in these little miserable cocoons trying to find any reason to whine. I have worked with people in the past who did not have the capacity to see anything slightly positive in anything good or bad and and you used to hear their whinging voices in the background always complaining. These people ultimately end up very lonely individuals because they are no fun to be around and in fact are awful to be anywhere near. The constant over the top griping about everything and ignoring anything positive like it hasn't happened is a world I want no part of.

Can someone explain to me how to put someone on Ignore as I am not sure how to do it and this thread is a great starting point to weed all this misery out once and for all.

I would stay away from an opinionated discussion site if that's your views ... No good for your health

 

[Mr Tree]

There is though a huge difference between moaning and whinging and expressing an opinion that might not chime with your own.

sure - we got it the first time you mentioned it, thanks. another hugely frustrating part of it all - the gloommongers won't take on counter-arguments, and accuse others of being blind Benham lovers.

i mentioned here already, no-one can see last night's bench and think all is rosy. and 5pts from every six games WILL get you relegated.

but i'm not sure what you're trying to hammer home here? we should be allowed to say "Relegation?" to Matthew's actions? we are allowed to. soooooo................?

 

[walsall bee]

There is though a huge difference between moaning and whinging and expressing an opinion that might not chime with your own.

Island Bee's borrowed quote summed it up perfectly at the start of this thread - 'Blind belief in authority is the greatest enemy of truth' Albert Einstein.

As fans we have every right to express an opinion and for the record I don't go along with the comment often made to me "It's Matthew's club, he can do what he likes".

NO... IT'S OUR CLUB. He is the custodian and thankfully he's a very good, loyal and true one that we can trust, but that does not make him exempt from accountability. Otherwise it risks becoming a dictatorship.

What a superb post.... Finally , somebody actually believes we don't have to follow the opinions of others !!

 

[walsall bee]

Walsall, maybe not in your case, but there are those who are revelling in this. Believe me, I see stuff on Facebook (not even on the FB groups) that makes me shudder.

When Butcher was in charge, I went apoplectic at him when I travelled 350 miles to watch the Luton FA Cup replay at Griffin Park. There was a game when Leroy was in charge, when we were 4-0 down at half-time and I left a game early for the first time in my life. I whined on about the style of football being inadequate under Andy Scott when we were in League One. So thankfully, I know I'm not a blindly optimistic fan. I am pretty damned realistic. And for this season, I knew we'd struggle a bit, especially in the first half of the season, but when faced with 11 first team injuries, I'm surprised we're not struggling even more.
I've been to every game except for Boro, and I have seen improved performances. I can't deny that after the first 45 minutes against Reading, I wondered if Marinus had lost the dressing room, but from then on, I can see the players are getting behind him and the performances on the pitch have been vastly improved. The team isn't rolling over and dying out there. We were even praised by Boro fans as being better than last season in terms of performance. Leeds fans I spoke to on Saturday said that we looked like we'll be there or thereabouts this season if we perform like that.
Get back some of the injured players, allow Marinus to keep working with the players to keep getting his ideas across, and we could find ourselves creeping up the table.

If, against Leeds and Boro, we had not created chances, not played decent football, then I'd be one of the first to question wtf is going on with the team, even at this early stage. I've seen enough relegated Brentford teams to know that this one isn't going to get relegated.

Then to**ers on Facebook aren't real bees!! Surely not

 

[billy1996bichon]

we didn't play that bad last night the lads on sky who are outsiders looking at it say "that brentford have no shame on there performance and had moments in the game, and wasn't one way traffic at all" If we can play like that against probably one of best team in the division then we will pick up points.


Tommy smith " said on sky sports that we lost three key players in gray odubajo ,Pritchard and there were the core of the team and In his opinon we haven't replaced them, he thinks it's a bit of over achievement last season and the transition is to blame.

The thread stinks and we are in a massive transition and I have know doubt that it will come good, new players new manager , new philosophy all takes time and I don't think for one minute it's going to be at expense of relegation. Preston will be a good test for us and 3 points is on the horizon, boro was always going to be a tough fixture just look at the playoffs we just all need to accept that teams like boro are just more polished and have better squads. Let's see what the seaon brings "you beessss"

 

[aberdeenbee]

We can ignore Oxford result (happens often in the tinpot, the worst thing about it was the crowds reaction and Bjelland injury). Reading was a poor perfornance but they went on to tonk Ipswich 5-1, we lost to Boro (a team who beat us 10-1 aggregate last season) but by accounts it was a fairly solid display and we were unlucky to come away with only a point at Leeds.

I really don't see why people are on panic stations, especially with our depleted squad coming which will come back through the season. A whole new management setup and lots of new squad members will take time to settle, very very early doors...

 

[JCMcBee]

.....i guess hanworth is as much a brentford man as the rest of us are.......i also guess his fear of going down relates to our current position in the league,and not neccessarily about the way we are playing.......however.....taking the emotion out of this and looking only at the facts........he is being a tad premature in his panicking.......its only 6 games into the season far too early to make judgements.....as said before......the oddsmakers have only lengthened our chance of promotion slightly and we are far from being in their bottom 3 for the drop....untill that changes there's no panic......i'm really looking forward to see the new lads playing at GP for the first time saturday.....i'm even more optimistic about the second half of the season when we'll have a full squad to choose from............this thread might have a place in 10 weeks time......it really doesnt right now.

 

[kevalutonbee]

Somebody said earlier not many teams will get much out of Boro or Burnley this year.

The fake Dons have got exactly what we got from these two games and in fact their record is the same as ours ie scored one conceded four. The difference being that from what I understand they parked the bus on Saturday and we at least gave it a go in both fixtures didn't we?

 

[jmsljj]

I like a big bet so looked for the best price on the bees to be relegated, contacted M.B. who is more than happy to take my money, I wonder if it is still a. good idea

 

[aawharris]

Before a ball was kicked this season, we were 3rd in the league.
Did everyone start gushing over the fact "We would be champions" based on that false position?
NO.
We have played badly in one game out of 6 this season, and have new players, injuries, new coach etc.
We will NOT be relegated on the back of the first 6 games (against some very good sides may i add).
Put things in perspective people and enjoy what is to come when we "click" and start getting players back.
Top 8 for me this season.

 

[beebopalula]

I feel for Marinus. Given the comings and goings and injuries he is having to build a new side whilst the season is running. I see this season as a new build. I don t expect us to challenge but there's too much talent to worry about relegation

 

[Wise old Bee]

A lot of sides that were poor/average last season have kicked on this time, Reading, Brighton, Charlton, even Cardiff and Leeds and two sides relegated from the Prem have started well so I think it would have been tougher even without the changes we have undergone. Leicester Bee is right, I too have seen poor relegation-bound Brentford sides and this is nothing like one. When we go down we usually go down without a fight and the MA Great Escape of 2004 was the only time when we have faced likely relegation and managed to escape it. We may not do as well as last season but we have a good squad now with options available to our coaching staff and I think we will be top ten before the end of the year and once players return from injury we will push on.

 

[Gee Bee]

What a superb post.... Finally , somebody actually believes we don't have to follow the opinions of others !!

All other are doing is debating with you their opinion. You then can counter that argument with your opinion. that's how it works.

 

[JimLevack]

True Gee Bee, but far too often - as I have discovered - if you dare to espouse a different opinion that questions the project, people come back with snide and personal comments which isn't really cricket.

 

[mhead bee]

I don't think league tables lie but what they don't do is tell the whole truth

For example, if the Brum game had gone ahead and we had won, this morning we would be lower midtable and this thread probably wouldn't exist

A similar thread would probably exist unfortunately.

 

[walsall bee]

True Gee Bee, but far too often - as I have discovered - if you dare to espouse a different opinion that questions the project, people come back with snide and personal comments which isn't really cricket.

Yep?. Precisely!

 

[NorthamptonBee]

I want to be able to say everything is sh*t and it isn't last season without anyone saying different, Dictatorship indeed.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Yep?. Precisely!

Ok mate, you've found a mate who is good with words, enjoy your play.

 

[Paul O'Brien]

True Gee Bee, but far too often - as I have discovered - if you dare to espouse a different opinion that questions the project, people come back with snide and personal comments which isn't really cricket.

Probably true, but it's also true that if you support the project there are those who will sneer at you for doing so.

 

[walsall bee]

Before a ball was kicked this season, we were 3rd in the league.
Did everyone start gushing over the fact "We would be champions" based on that false position?
NO.
We have played badly in one game out of 6 this season, and have new players, injuries, new coach etc.
We will NOT be relegated on the back of the first 6 games (against some very good sides may i add).
Put things in perspective people and enjoy what is to come when we "click" and start getting players back.
Top 8 for me this season.

Why is this a false position?????? We are down there due to not winning enough football matches!!!!!!! I don't think we will go down... But I just disagree with a top 8 finish!!

 

[walsall bee]

Ok mate, you've found a mate who is good with words, enjoy your play.

No ...just another that agrees

You are for "the project".. Are u pissed that I dont... Little jabs like that are b****x ...

 

[walsall bee]

Probably true, but it's also true that if you support the project there are those who will sneer at you for doing so.

I would probably support the project if it was working

 

[JimLevack]

Many thanks to Northampton Bee for proving my point ;-)

 

[NorthamptonBee]

I would probably support the project if it was working

I would only back the Grand National winner if it had already won, now is the time to back your team more than ever IMO, I was the same when Wally took over and when Leroy came aboard, new starts but this one has so much more going for it than either of those times, I think you are saying you don't like the project without really realising there isn't much change from last season apart from the manager's veto, back to the pool for me.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

I would probably support the project if it was working

You are completely and utterly missing the point that by blindly posting that the project is failing whilst completely ignoring the fact that we have almost an entire XI out injured just opens you up to a wave of retorts. How can ANYONE claim that the evolution this season is a failure or a success after just 6 games and with an injury list longer than your arm ? It's just utterly, utterly ridiculous.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

And can we please be polite to each other. I'm getting totally f***ked off with posters trading insults. Irrespective of differing opinions, we all ultimately want the same thing. If you can't debate sensibly then don't bother.