Should Scott Go?

[scruff puppy pup]

Fair point well made. Just a couple of questions though........

How many points behind Champions did we finish?

How many points off a Play Off place did we finish?

It was about this time last year that Czesny turned up. If AS can find someone of equal quality this season to boss our midfield, then playoffs/automatic promotion are a real possibility.

 

[The Pipe]

Not seen last 3 games however it would seem that we are gradually begining to play "proper football", There will be poor games along the way and some suprising results however as one of the Scott out brigade I will happily change my answer on the poll on the assumption that what has been seen in the last 2 games will continue for the saeson.

 

[nick logan]

Wasn't it under Callaghan where we ended up with a better away record than home?

Yes i think so mate. We have done that a couple of seasons in the last 30 years. Think we had 11 or 12 away wins one year under him.

 

[SmiffyBee]

The anti-AS gpg brigade deserve a large pat on the back for the recent upturn in results.

The Anti-GPG AS brigade don't even care.....:sad:

 

[westwing]

Yes i think so mate. We have done that a couple of seasons in the last 30 years. Think we had 11 or 12 away wins one year under him.

You can put the rope away now Nicklol

 

[jlove]

If AS can find someone of equal quality this season to boss our midfield, then playoffs/automatic promotion are a real possibility.

Look at the possession stats for the last two games; we are bossing the midfield!

 

[Newbee]

anyone still want AS out?

4 away league wins in a row...

161 people wanted him out after MK dons.... so a couple of wins might not change their minds :shrug: I guess we'll have to wait till our next loss to see...

 

[SmiffyBee]

161 people wanted him out after MK dons.... so a couple of wins might not change their minds :shrug: I guess we'll have to wait till our next loss to see...

A good performance at home will be important.
We will have to wait until December for that

 

[Guildford Bee]

What is important now is that everyone at GP gets behind the team for the entire 90 minutes at the Notts County game.

It sounds obvious, but there is clearly a problem with the home form and whether that stems from fans' 'negativity' or not, we need to show the manager and players we are 100% behind them.

 

[Low End Bee]

A good performance at home will be important.
We will have to wait until December for that

That's been the puzzler at home. I could have accepted the home results if we were unlucky or just beaten by good teams.
Hopefully this turn around away will be transferred to GP.
I'll be happier then.

PS

I don't care if AS is my mate or not. It doesn't matter. He's just a bloke on the touchline in a suit on matchdays.

 

[wibs]

"Listen, in the last three years I’ve kept the club up, we’ve won the league and we finished 9th in League One and are now four points off the playoffs."

Keep reminding yourselvesof this Scott doubters. Regardless of his attitude and style of play just look at what he's done.

 

[westwing]

GP needs to rock against Notts County.
Then we need to make a 2,500 strong show at Southampton
and mix it with the big boys AGAIN

 

[Kingston Bee]

What is important now is that everyone at GP gets behind the team for the entire 90 minutes at the Notts County game.

It sounds obvious, but there is clearly a problem with the home form and whether that stems from fans' 'negativity' or not, we need to show the manager and players we are 100% behind them.

You are so right. We can obviously play so that is not the issue, its just at home we find it a problem. We need to be fully patient and fully supportive all through the game against NC.

 

[GP]

On Saturday night there will be complaints of a non existant midfield & not a single shot on goal

 

[Ghost]

AS is definitely a fighter and I couldn't help but read the press conference without admiring his spirit. Just as long as we can start playing football on a regular basis I think nobody can complain. So pleased for Sam Saunders as well, he really deserves his run of games and good form, very glad we kept him on.

 

[nick logan]

GP needs to rock against Notts County.

Yep, all have an extra pint or 2, and lets have a party. Next 6 weeks is very exciting.

 

[Mr Tree]

only 2-0? i was expecting 3. scott out

 

[Kingston Bee]

"Listen, in the last three years I’ve kept the club up, we’ve won the league and we finished 9th in League One and are now four points off the playoffs."

Keep reminding yourselvesof this Scott doubters. Regardless of his attitude and style of play just look at what he's done.

Just read the after match reaction, EXCELLENT!!! UP YOU BEES!!! Agree with everything, really pleased for him and the team. Made some valid comments re MA also, why would any lge 1 club want him after his recent failures. I feel he will turn out to be one of our best managers ever, enjoy it while he is here and get behind the team......and manager of course.

 

[Robi Bee]

Who can blame some of the AS frustration that is apparent in last night's interview after the game: he's clearly sick of the bl***y negativity, probably mystified by it. and at least he's recognised the problem, more than once, re home form.

Whatever you think of him (and I susepct that plenty of his critics, whatever happens on the pitch, just won't accept his personal "style" cos he's not like MA.....for chrissakes, get over it ), and you can't argue with the team's away form over the last two games or indeed the whole season.

I was in the "give AS until Jan" camp subject to a turnround in form, and I believe that is now happening. Irony is that the team is probably going to be nervous about the reception at GP in 10 days, so our home form is, to an extent, all in the fans hands. Is Fortress GP going to get behind the team - for 90 minutes - to help turn away form into home, or be like it was against Franchise?

 

[KGB]

Last two results have been excellent - full praise to the team for that.

I believe the poster 'Malvern Bee'(?) who posted that the anti-Scott posters may have helped in these results, was being ironic - but only slightly so.

It appears that AS was forced to change his formation for these games and include Saunders & it has worked. No probs there - I believe that AS is a 'lucky' manager so far and I couldn't care less. 'Lucky' managers are fine by me.

I think his comments about MA (and TB before him) are/were out of order and arrogant. Again I don't care - if an 'arrogant' manager gets us promotion, again great.

There are clearly a few doubters who dislike AS but the majority of critics on here have been constructive. The pro-Scott faction have some good arguments, but are equally willing to come out after one good performance and lambast any critics. There was very little positive comment from them after the Aldershot debacle however as things were beginning to look very gloomy indeed.

Fwiw, I still have doubts. The last two results have been excellent but they came on the back of five very poor performances - despite the 'result' at Exeter, and a couple of fortunate draws. Fans - many of whom won't be GPGers have voted with their feet, and there is a reason for that. I have voiced my reasons for my doubts previously - squad development & style of play primarily - but equally will be delighted to be proved wrong.

 

[Paulo Bee]

Point of Ref 4Bees Fans: After 18 games last season: 19pts (18th) 23pts off leaders (Leeds). THIS SEASON: 26pts (13th) ONLY 11pts off B&HA!

After 18 games last season we were lying in 18th with 19 points, this season we lie in 13th, with 26 points.

Last season at this stage we were 23 points off the leaders, where as this year, we are 11 points off Brighton, who are top.

Says it all...

Twice!

 

[RitchBee]

Last two results have been excellent - full praise to the team for that.

I believe the poster 'Malvern Bee'(?) who posted that the anti-Scott posters may have helped in these results, was being ironic - but only slightly so.

It appears that AS was forced to change his formation for these games and include Saunders & it has worked. No probs there - I believe that AS is a 'lucky' manager so far and I couldn't care less. 'Lucky' managers are fine by me.

I think his comments about MA (and TB before him) are/were out of order and arrogant. Again I don't care - if an 'arrogant' manager gets us promotion, again great.

There are clearly a few doubters who dislike AS but the majority of critics on here have been constructive. The pro-Scott faction have some good arguments, but are equally willing to come out after one good performance and lambast any critics. There was very little positive comment from them after the Aldershot debacle however as things were beginning to look very gloomy indeed.

Fwiw, I still have doubts. The last two results have been excellent but they came on the back of five very poor performances - despite the 'result' at Exeter, and a couple of fortunate draws. Fans - many of whom won't be GPGers have voted with their feet, and there is a reason for that. I have voiced my reasons for my doubts previously - squad development & style of play primarily - but equally will be delighted to be proved wrong.

Great post.

I want as we all do AS to succeed but the team on the field has to show a bit of flair at the same time. I don't expect us to be an Arse, Barcelona either but a team that at least can do something different as it appears to be doing.

It shouldn't take a loads of verbal bashing on here to change things or for Andy to fall out with his paying public either.

 

[Kingston Bee]

Last two results have been excellent - full praise to the team for that.

I believe the poster 'Malvern Bee'(?) who posted that the anti-Scott posters may have helped in these results, was being ironic - but only slightly so.

It appears that AS was forced to change his formation for these games and include Saunders & it has worked. No probs there - I believe that AS is a 'lucky' manager so far and I couldn't care less. 'Lucky' managers are fine by me.

I think his comments about MA (and TB before him) are/were out of order and arrogant. Again I don't care - if an 'arrogant' manager gets us promotion, again great.

There are clearly a few doubters who dislike AS but the majority of critics on here have been constructive. The pro-Scott faction have some good arguments, but are equally willing to come out after one good performance and lambast any critics. There was very little positive comment from them after the Aldershot debacle however as things were beginning to look very gloomy indeed.

Fwiw, I still have doubts. The last two results have been excellent but they came on the back of five very poor performances - despite the 'result' at Exeter, and a couple of fortunate draws. Fans - many of whom won't be GPGers have voted with their feet, and there is a reason for that. I have voiced my reasons for my doubts previously - squad development & style of play primarily - but equally will be delighted to be proved wrong.

Good post KGB, just a couple of questions:

Agree with you regarding performaces (ie Aldershot) but we have progressed every season under Scott, and in fact are doing better at this stage of the season than last. For Scott its a results business, would you prefer for them to be playing great footbal and losing? Suspect you want both...

Regarding Scottys comments on MA, how would you feel if it was your job and someone else was telling the world that he would be better than you. Is he supposed to just shut up and accept without a right to reply?

In all of this I see 2 things:

1. There is a thin line between success and failure.
2. Often supporters want short term success ie now rather than later. So they want their team to start and end the season in first place playing brilliant football, where as starting in the bottom half and working your way up means you have to wait and on the way there is always doubt as you lose games and play badly. My point being that we should not judge until after 25-30 games, not after 5, or 10 or even 15. If we finish higher than last season everyone will wonder what all the fuss was about?

 

[ToBEE]

I've not taken to Andy Scott in the time he's been here, but to take a team struggling near the bottom of League 2, to 9th in (a very strong) League 1 in two and a half years was impressive.

On the whole, I've been a little disappointed with the start to this season. The football hasn't been quite what I've expected, and the results, bearing in mind the squad he's assembled have left a little to be desired. Home defeats to Walsall, Rochdale & Oldham. The defeat at Orient was also a real disappointment. I couldn't make the home game against MK Dons due to illness, but doesn't sound like a good performance there either.

Despite all this however, we have 6 more points after 18 games than we did last season, which at least shows signs of improvement, even if we hadn't noticed it on the pitch! I think maybe the team is starting to gel after bringing in so many new faces in the Summer. I'd like to think the 4 consecutive away wins may lead to an improvement in home form as well. Three home wins before Christmas are very important (Notts County, Charlton & Huddersfield). The JPT has always been a nice distraction, but with only Charlton and a West Country side between us and Wembley, it needs to be taken seriously now, especially with some time to get the squad fit now after our Aldershot embarassement.

I'd hope we can end 2010 close to the Top 6, and in the JPT Southern Final.

 

[KGB]

Kingston,

 

[KGB]

Kingston,

To answer your questions:

I haven't seen MA talking about the Brentford job anywhere. One report in the Sun, probably on the back of cribbing off the GPG, is the only general reference & I don 't believe MA was 'quoted' in this article - or anywhere else. If he has, then I apologise. Some of AS's comments about TB have also seemed to be very ill-judged to me.

Yes, of course I want to see us winning regardless & would love to see us doing it with style. But I accept it's a results business & winning does for me. However in the medium term I think that our 'style of play' has to be developed. Doncaster, Swansea, Leeds, Blackpool have left our division playing 'good' football & have continued to prosper.

Anyway it's all about opinions.... & I agree with your final two paragraphs. All teams will go through bad patches & cannot play brilliantly every game. Equally they can play brilliantly & lose sometimes. I think we have been on the lucky side of this equation in recent weeks - eg: poor performances but relatively good results vs Exeter & B'Muff. However the last 2 away results have been excellent, 'not lucky', & long may it continue.

 

[nick logan]

It appears that AS was forced to change his formation for these games and include Saunders & it has worked. No probs there - I believe that AS is a 'lucky' manager so far and I couldn't care less. 'Lucky' managers are fine by me.

No change of formation fella.

 

[hatfieldbee]

Great post.

I want as we all do AS to succeed but the team on the field has to show a bit of flair at the same time. I don't expect us to be an Arse, Barcelona either but a team that at least can do something different as it appears to be doing.

It shouldn't take a loads of verbal bashing on here to change things or for Andy to fall out with his paying public either.

Last night, there was a bit of flair, and the 'on the ground' stuff was used much more than 'hoofball', of which there was not a lot at all.

 

[bostonhanwell]

The jury is still out on this one. 4 straight away wins is championship form, our home form however is relegation material. Brentford fans are no different to any others in as much as we all want success. I personally would love to see AS deliver success for this club even though to be fair last week I voted to get rid.

I still do not understand why Andy was so surprised at the negativity of the fans. He did have a good budget for this season and he must accept the pressure that brings or he is in the wrong business.

No one will be more pleased than me if he is able to turn things round but if the results and performances drop again there is no doubt that things will get heated again. It comes with the territory.

Well done for the last 2 results, maybe we have turned a corner and we are only 5 points off the play offs in a topsy turvy season with few outstanding or consistent teams.

 

[nick logan]

I still do not understand why Andy was so surprised at the negativity of the fans. He did have a good budget for this season and he must accept the pressure that brings or he is in the wrong business.

I would guess that its because we were on a good run of form, he was manager of month and was still getting stick.

 

[Streetboy]

On Saturday night there will be complaints of a non existant midfield & not a single shot on goal

I confidently predict there won't be a shot on either goal on Saturday, and there will be a non-existent midfield, defence and attack. As for Saturday week...

 

[Sweepy]

Second best away record in the league would suggest his removal be a little harsh. If we can rediscover our home form and restore "Fortress GP" like the previous 2 seasons, we'll be serious Play Off contenders.

Scott in!!

The home form should be even better than last season considering AS now has himself positioned on matchdays where he can relay his instructions to the team better.

On the point of being play-off contenders, recent results suggest we are one of the most probable to come out of the chasing pack as the season progresses, especially as we are only in one cup.

I think having Saturday off wont do any harm either.

 

[nick logan]

I think having Saturday off wont do any harm either.

I think that has worked out brilliantly. The players can have a few days off, shake off their niggles and we should have a fully and raring to go squad.

For us lot we can enjoy the next 9 days basking in the glory of 2 good wins.

 

[GP]

On Saturday night there will be complaints of a non existant midfield & not a single shot on goal

I confidently predict there won't be a shot on either goal on Saturday, and there will be a non-existent midfield, defence and attack. As for Saturday week...

whoosh

 

[Paul O'Brien]

Yes i think so mate. We have done that a couple of seasons in the last 30 years. Think we had 11 or 12 away wins one year under him.

Did a quick check - since 1980, we've had a better away record (either in points or in wins) 6 times, and one season when they were identical in points.

Can't recall all the dates, but we did it in 80-81 and 81-2 I think and then again in 2 consecutive years in the mid 80s.

 

[nick logan]

Did a quick check - since 1980, we've had a better away record (either in points or in wins) 6 times, and one season when they were identical in points.

Can't recall all the dates, but we did it in 80-81 and 81-2 I think and then again in 2 consecutive years in the mid 80s.

Cheers Paul , 6 times eh. Thats quite a statistic when you think about it.

 

[scruff puppy pup]

We have the 3rd best away record in the division, bettered only by Brighton and Charlton.

We have the 18th best home record.

Now, about those dugouts.........

 

[scruff puppy pup]

Did a quick check - since 1980, we've had a better away record (either in points or in wins) 6 times, and one season when they were identical in points.

Can't recall all the dates, but we did it in 80-81 and 81-2 I think and then again in 2 consecutive years in the mid 80s.

1981-82:
Home Record Won 8 Drew 6 Lost 9
Away Record Won 11 Drew 5 Lost 7

Easily the best away record in the division that season.
We conceded 47 goals overall, which is low, so the problem was similar to it has been a lot of the time under AS's management: we don't score a great number of goals. Either a lack of creativity or lack of finishing in front of goal.

 

[bennyb]

i have to say i did vote scott out after watching some truly crap football at gp and hearing him say he didnt want to change his tactics. however recent results have been very good and people say the football has been good too. if mr scott can give a good ENTERTAINING performance against notts co ill forgive him.

 

[magicbees]

I would guess that its because we were on a good run of form, he was manager of month and was still getting stick.

Thats because the football was awful/dire/mindblowing whatever you want to call it, that's the reason I have been giving him stick. Last night we tried to play football and we won as well, bonus. See there is nothing to be scared of, we can play football and win.

Attempting to play football doesn't = going down to division two

Hopefully Goodbye hoofball

 

[love and mercy]

i have to say i did vote scott out after watching some truly crap football at gp and hearing him say he didnt want to change his tactics. however recent results have been very good and people say the football has been good too. if mr scott can give a good ENTERTAINING performance against notts co ill forgive him.

me too

 

[KGB]

The one cup that you can make real money out of, if you are lucky with the draw, is the FA Cup. Our draws - Aldershot & Dover - were relatively good this year, but we probably lost money overall.

I think that that is a pity & I hope that it does lead to a 'rest' & further improved performances from the team - fine. If it doesn't I think we have lost out.

 

[A_BEE_SINCE_63]

Well done Scotty for getting us 6 points from our last two away games, following that return to bad days earlier in the month. Nobody wants an injury list, but maybe you are at your best when managing limited resources.

A week off is good news for everybody at this juncture but, whether you like it or not, the pressure is back on you on Saturday 4th December when an inspired Brentford team must turn up at Griffin Park.

Away wins are great, especially when you get 4 on the bounce. But home wins are critical to the wellbeing of any football club.

 

[wayfarer172]

Can see AS finishing up at West Ham. OMG.

 

[blunstone]

i have to say i did vote scott out after watching some truly crap football at gp and hearing him say he didnt want to change his tactics. however recent results have been very good and people say the football has been good too. if mr scott can give a good ENTERTAINING performance against notts co ill forgive him.

you are just too kind, mr scrooge.

and give him a few hours off on christmas day too?

 

[nick logan]

Thats because the football was awful/dire/mindblowing whatever you want to call it, that's the reason I have been giving him stick. Last night we tried to play football and we won as well, bonus. See there is nothing to be scared of, we can play football and win.

Attempting to play football doesn't = going down to division two

Hopefully Goodbye hoofball

We didn't play any different to any other away game this season.

 

[scruff puppy pup]

Can see AS finishing up at West Ham. OMG.

Nah, there are other candidates ahead of him.
Sean O'Driscoll is the obvious one. Eddie Howe.
Gold/Sullivan deserve relegation for ditching Zola/Clarke, and they'll definitely get it with Avram Grant in charge.

 

[Brentford_till_die]

We didn't play any different to any other away game this season.

Sorry Nick but Plymouth & Colchester we did play different I think.
We look to pass the ball better and those two away games I actually was optimistic we would come away with all the points, same cant be said for most the other away games this season.

Plymouth & Colchester were probably the best away games this season where we look dangerous and quite useful passing it about..which is obviously a good thing, long may it continue.

Most the other games we just looked like we lack confidence and hoofing the ball up top.
What we have seen recently, if we continue to play like this we will be up there come end of season.

 

[Brentford_till_die]

Thats because the football was awful/dire/mindblowing whatever you want to call it, that's the reason I have been giving him stick. Last night we tried to play football and we won as well, bonus. See there is nothing to be scared of, we can play football and win.

Attempting to play football doesn't = going down to division two

Hopefully Goodbye hoofball

ditto for Plymouth

 

[DavidgRushden]

The anti-AS gpg brigade deserve a large pat on the back for the recent upturn in results.

Probably more truth in this good observation by malvernbee than is being credited, especially by the pro AS group. Of course we all are happy to see a few wins and a change in the style of play, but let's not make a great big divide amongst supporters because of it.