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kevalutonbee said:
Hang on.Okay we have a new manager but the players haven't even comeback to pre season training, we haven't even had a pre season game let alone a regular season one yet and we know for certain the playing style is going to change?
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On a par with worrying about lack of signings IMO, Walsall is a good lad but this thread has ruined my drinking before my siesta, that isn't good.
 

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walsall bee said:
Not warbs I'm gonna miss ... It's the way we played under him
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Well then you have nothing to worry about, that is the style MB wants us to play, and we will continue to do so :sorted:
 

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zuko said:
Well then you have nothing to worry about, that is the style MB wants us to play, and we will continue to do so :sorted:
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Worry over then!
 

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NorthamptonBee said:
On a par with worrying about lack of signings IMO, Walsall is a good lad but this thread has ruined my drinking before my siesta, that isn't good.
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Just drink more then nb
 

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NorthamptonBee said:
I am and it's your fault, I've explained it all to the wife, she is disgusted, not sure at whom and why.
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Ha.. Hold me responsible ! Not sure she will tho
 

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walsall bee said:
Let's hope we keep those players and play like we did most of last season
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or sign better players and play slightly better :idea:

totally bizarre. have a little faith, support the lads?
 

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Now this is the latest thinking on league prediction. Takes some reading. I need to read it again as it is challenging. What is interesting is this is in the public domain presumably MB has such models that are not. Still would like to see what we are using.
 

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Mr Tree said:
i daresay they are the standard-bearers and are miles ahead of all this, actually :)
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That is what I reckon. Not only are they very good sats people but have access to wonderful data. All taking place quietly in the background. And of course with have very experience coaches that actually work with the players bringing their international experience to the squad.
 

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red_and_white said:
Not sure if this is the right place to put this, but this is from the Italian GQ magazine on Vio adding 2% to our season

http://www.gqitalia.it/sport/calcio...er&utm_medium=marketing&utm_campaign=gqitalia
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Yes, read this in translation. What it tells me is we are not there to make numbers up. Further we are getting in some top notch and experienced coaches who have worked for some top Europen sides. I find it hard to believe that any othe team in the league has the quality we have in the back room and coaching stuff. MB is a great planner and a deep thinker. If you compare him to other owners he is streets ahead.
 

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ade211 said:
This is another article on goals. These are getting hard to digest.

http://statsbomb.com/2015/07/converting-dangerous-passing-into-shots/

Wonder if our anaysts are on top of all this?
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This is a great article, but unfortunately you can only really put these stats together with access to opta which is rather expensive for amateur enthusiasts.

But the info really seems to show some interesting trends.

I wonder how we would fair in the passes to shots ratio within 15 yards of goal...
 

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walsall bee said:
I'm not the "old skool" typo and have played at a good level for 20 years (including bees CoE for 5 years) and still playing so I do know my bit about the game.
I hope it's not a complete failure obviously but I'm curious to know what stats will win us matches??
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One stat that really interests me is that I believe, in almost fifty years, this is the first time I have ever seen the word 'typo' appear as itself. Has anyone seen this before? :cool:
 

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BeeSinceBirth said:
This is a great article, but unfortunately you can only really put these stats together with access to opta which is rather expensive for amateur enthusiasts.

But the info really seems to show some interesting trends.

I wonder how we would fair in the passes to shots ratio within 15 yards of goal...
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Yes I would love to have access to full data but as you rightly say does give evidence of where the stats are taking us. One thing is the stats challenge our existing beliefs. I reckon our stats team summarises a lot of stats for the coaches so they can figure out how to use it.
 

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vcmazz said:
One stat that really interests me is that I believe, in almost fifty years, this is the first time I have ever seen the word 'typo' appear as itself. Has anyone seen this before? :cool:
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Spelling error ... Must try harder!
 

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What with Statsbomb and Opta etc. etc. etc, to absorb as an essential aid to being a Bees supporter, I don't have time to do the crocks, Hoover the floors, get in the shopping etc. etc. probably won't digest enough info to even attend a game and understand the logic of how we get the f...ing ball into the oppositions net.
 

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pensioner said:
What with Statsbomb and Opta etc. etc. etc, to absorb as an essential aid to being a Bees supporter, I don't have time to do the crocks, Hoover the floors, get in the shopping etc. etc. probably won't digest enough info to even attend a game and understand the logic of how we get the f...ing ball into the oppositions net.
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that's not your job mate (mind you neither's the hoovering :confused: ) - you just concentrate on singing your heart out for the lads :sorted: :hat:
 

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Very interesting stuff. My only fear is whether some players might be distracted by their personal stats every time they're deciding whether to make a pass or tackle
 

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johnkav said:
Very interesting stuff. My only fear is whether some players might be distracted by their personal stats every time they're deciding whether to make a pass or tackle
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Good point. Squawka has provide stats for players for a while. You can compare yourself against team mates, or against others in a similar position. Plus lots of data available on your own averages such as average pass lenght, aveage shots, accuracy of shots, defensive error etc.. And if you are brave enough you have your own heat map for every game you gave played.

My take is that Brentford's coaches will look at areas to improve and not dwell on past mistakes. But as you point out players could go for conservative options so their stats still look ok. There is now a sport psychologist to help players. He would be available to players to re focus them.
 

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johnkav said:
Very interesting stuff. My only fear is whether some players might be distracted by their personal stats every time they're deciding whether to make a pass or tackle
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There could be an observation along the lines of "behaviour likely to intentionally skew outcome" it all depends on how canny the query is :)
 

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I watched the film moneyball last night which was very interesting. Many parallels with our situation, small club trying to compete with clubs like the Yankees who had 3 times the budget etc. At first they were ridiculed by the media but it worked and others subsequently followed the model.

How lucky are we to have MB? A wealthy, visionary owner who has all the mathematical models in place, has the experience of using them to his benefit, has the balls to try it and above all loves this club.

I have enjoyed the ride so far and it has the potential to get better and better.
 

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bostonhanwell said:
I watched the film moneyball last night which was very interesting. Many parallels with our situation, small club trying to compete with clubs like the Yankees who had 3 times the budget etc. At first they were ridiculed by the media but it worked and others subsequently followed the model.

How lucky are we to have MB? A wealthy, visionary owner who has all the mathematical models in place, has the experience of using them to his benefit, has the balls to try it and above all loves this club.

I have enjoyed the ride so far and it has the potential to get better and better.
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I am praying it works to just hear the glowing remarks if i ever (and its a big if) tune into Talks***e again.
 

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Bigbee said:
Boro are doing some data stuff , and we're mentioned in this article

http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/weve-moved-away-traditional-method-9649143
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Interesting - although curious that despite particularly mentioning Forshaw and Brentford the article omits the fact that he went from Everton to us!

What the article is good at is in showing how stats and traditional scouting aren't mutually exclusive. A similar point is made in Nate Silver's "The signal and the noise" in his treatment of Moneyball where he notes that scouts in baseball have always used stats and that the new methods can be seen as a development of that. In the context of the Warburton saga it is also interesting that the article states that Karanka still has the final say and that the scouts/stats are used to go and find him what he wants rather than being an independent part of the way the club is run generally.
 

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And i bet the media will be drooling at this "New, Exciting way of finding players" that Boro are using, probably due to the fact they are "Premier League friendly"
 

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... but there is a clue in the sentence "... Brentford are a lot further down the line using raw stats to recruit players with an aim of selling them on if they realise their potential."

The inference is that a player can be signed if the potential to 'add value' exists, regardless whether the head coach actually needs or wants a player of those attributes at that time. It's a business line within the club in addition to team achievements.
 

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bostonhanwell said:
Interesting read. Our advantage is that MB has his own stats and mathematical models and is highly accomplished at interpreting the data to his advantage.
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That is what sets us apart as. MB through his company has developed a model that is probably one of the best in Europe let alone in the UK. This should give us the edge. Plus unlike most owners if not all he actually understands statistics. Again another edge.

At present we only see the end result of all this when we buy a player or when the season starts in terms of performance. I suspect several forwards have been identified with us actively putting together a Finacial package to attractive them. Also I reckon the club is good at selling itself to players but if we feel they don't fit in the 'dressing room' we stop pursuing them. As I wrote on anothe fora I expect very shortly at least two forwards will be announced. We well be surprised and delighted.

Keep the faith.
 

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bostonhanwell said:
I watched the film moneyball last night which was very interesting. Many parallels with our situation, small club trying to compete with clubs like the Yankees who had 3 times the budget etc. At first they were ridiculed by the media but it worked and others subsequently followed the model.

How lucky are we to have MB? A wealthy, visionary owner who has all the mathematical models in place, has the experience of using them to his benefit, has the balls to try it and above all loves this club.

I have enjoyed the ride so far and it has the potential to get better and better.
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I've not seen it. Think I'll wait for the Brentford / Benham movie to be released. It's bound to be much more interesting ;)
 

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Thanks Ade ,I think the defence needed to be addressed first ,Marinus had stated that was his priority at his last club.That has been done.Now just a forward or two to complete the squad
 

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Bigbee said:
Thanks Ade ,I think the defence needed to be addressed first ,Marinus had stated that was his priority at his last club.That has been done.Now just a forward or two to complete the squad
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Yes defence is the key. I agree with you that is what needs to be fixed first. We are doing this. Also last season we were good at spreading goals around and not just relying on AG. If we could improve on mid field scorers we would really be flying.

Guess us supporters like strikers. They are exciting, appear to change games. Whereas defence does a lot of its work unseen. At present I am pretty relaxed about the forward positions. I am sure two at least have been identified. Just negotiating on transfer fee and terms.
 

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BeeSinceBirth said:
Goes to show that we are spending money in the right areas :)
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We will never have access to e models used at present in the club but it does seem they are doing what the general quants say about us.
 

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Boro are serious about resigning Stuart Downing for around £5m. They must have got the pages of the manual stuck together somehow.
 

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Norfolk Bee said:
Boro are serious about resigning Stuart Downing for around £5m. They must have got the pages of the manual stuck together somehow.
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:lol:

Teething problems for Boro's new system
 

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Well spotted, GABS! It is a great summary of what we're all about; so glad we got this guy on board.
 
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