That Oldham flag

[Luton Bee]

Perhaps if the flag had read

Born in England
Live in England
Die in ignorance

It would better have reflected the kind of person who would feel the need to display it?

 

[Rocky_Latic]

More elegantly put than I could have done. I'm a bit late to this one as the first thing I did when I got home on Saturday was not to post on here but to send an e-mail to the club as follows:

"It was good to see that there was at least some attempt to deal with the large "National Front" flag which some Oldham fans brought to the game today. The slogans on it made it clearly something different from the usual St George's flags.

However, why did it take until half time? Why were they allowed to have it back and get it out again?

Is dealing with this stuff the responsibility of the stewards or the police? (I saw that both were involved.) Don't they have powers to confiscate things like this and/or to eject those responsible for them? Is this really any different to racist chanting, which I thought was an offence?

I suppose it's hardly a surprise that some Oldham fans are involved with far right groups, given that Oldham is known to be a centre of NF activity. So you would have thought the police/stewards would have been prepared and could have dealt with it promptly. I don't suppose it's the first time it's been displayed.

Any chance of BFC expressing their concern to Oldham, just to show that 'Kick Racism out of Football' isn't just about wearing a t-shirt at a game once a season. If Brentford can't do it, given the ethnic mix in the club's catchment area and the number of black players on the team, who will?"
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lol lol lol lol lol lol

Ok, so you got a flag taken down which said "born in England, live in England, Die in England."

However, what you failed to do. Is rid the ground of those Brentford fans chanting "your just a town full of p*ki's"

Is that just stating facts? Or is there something more to it than that?

You my friend, are an absolute tool without any facts or information on just what OAFC have done for the kick racism out of football campaign. I'll let you into just a few of the select things Latics have done in recent seasons.

It was only a few years ago our club was rid with Racists Chants far too often. Thanks to the help of latics fans and CCTV footage, those people were pin pointed and banned.

The club works tirelessly with the Asian Community, The Care in the community people at the club are always out at Asian schools in Oldham. Teaching them football skills and letting them meet with players. The club has been known in the past to give Asian kids tickets to the football, ignoring the white children just so they could try and attract a few asian kids on a regular basis.

The club has gone out of the way to try and tap into the Asian market in Oldham. They know full well what good it would do to the club if they tapped into it. They have done this though, far too often overlooking white kids and in return. The only way my club is racists is the fact on a few occasions it's bent over to far to help one community rather than all (which it's finally putting right, by distributing 30,000 free tickets to schools for 6 league games in the next two months)

Give me a flag over the chanting anyday. Or would you rather just blame another clubs fans rather than looking at your problem.

Everyone seems to have on this thread swept the racist chanting from a minority of Brentford fans under the carpet, and pin pointed Oldham as the racists for turning up with a flag.

There was no racists chanting from any Oldham fans on Saturday. Which makes the bigger point, a flag which can be taken as one of two ways (Patriotic or Racist) or a Chant that can be taken only one way (Racist)

It's up to you!

 

[alexinho]

Ever thought about pulling your head out of your arse??

You get off on a bad note there. So the crux of your argument will be to insult me. Hmm.

Theres nothing wrong with the flag and its a sad day when people get so annoyed about someone being patriotic.

What convincing rhetoric, strong arguments all around. Many people disagree with you and have put forward some valid points. Yours is....?

The fact we cant even put a st georges flag up in hounslow high street because its deemed as racist is a joke. People being patriotic keep the country alive and look where ours is heading.............

Put your Daily Mail away mate, how embarassing. I agree it is ridiculous if the flag is not allowed in Hounslow High Street, but who are these mystical patriots saving our country? What a complete load of toss. You're right this country is in trouble, but what are you on about?

What if the guy whos flag it was had a relative killed on 7/7??? Still racist?? Think not.

That is your most embarassing Daily Mail like point of all. What difference does it make to the way a human being's actions are interpreted if they lost somebody in the tube bombings or not?

It would explain their anger. It would explain much of their reaction to their loss. It would not make their actions inherently acceptable however. If I am robbed by a black man tomorrow am I thereafter allowed to carry an irrational hatred of all black people? Is that anger legitimate because of one isolated incident? Er... nope.

The owner in question, is by the way, according to Oldham fans, a spotty little chav who is frequently heard singing songs about killing p#kis at their away games.

 

[alexinho]

lol lol lol lol lol lol

Ok, so you got a flag taken down which said "born in England, live in England, Die in England."

However, what you failed to do. Is rid the ground of those Brentford fans chanting "your just a town full of p*ki's"

Is that just stating facts? Or is there something more to it than that?

You my friend, are an absolute tool without any facts or information on just what OAFC have done for the kick racism out of football campaign. I'll let you into just a few of the select things Latics have done in recent seasons.

It was only a few years ago our club was rid with Racists Chants far too often. Thanks to the help of latics fans and CCTV footage, those people were pin pointed and banned.

The club works tirelessly with the Asian Community, The Care in the community people at the club are always out at Asian schools in Oldham. Teaching them football skills and letting them meet with players. The club has been known in the past to give Asian kids tickets to the football, ignoring the white children just so they could try and attract a few asian kids on a regular basis.

The club has gone out of the way to try and tap into the Asian market in Oldham. They know full well what good it would do to the club if they tapped into it. They have done this though, far too often overlooking white kids and in return. The only way my club is racists is the fact on a few occasions it's bent over to far to help one community rather than all (which it's finally putting right, by distributing 30,000 free tickets to schools for 6 league games in the next two months)

Give me a flag over the chanting anyday. Or would you rather just blame another clubs fans rather than looking at your problem.

Everyone seems to have on this thread swept the racist chanting from a minority of Brentford fans under the carpet, and pin pointed Oldham as the racists for turning up with a flag.

There was no racists chanting from any Oldham fans on Saturday. Which makes the bigger point, a flag which can be taken as one of two ways (Patriotic or Racist) or a Chant that can be taken only one way (Racist)

It's up to you!

Valid points from the Latic, and our own racist chanting was a disgrace.

I would say however, that the flag's owner and his friends apparently greeted the removal of the flag with a rendition of the old BNP anthem 'No Surrender to the IRA'.

Nobody's tarring the whole of OAFC with one brush mate, and the sensible bees know that we have some problems at Brentford too.

 

[Streetboy]

Speaking as somebody with no particluar left or right wing leanings, I have to honestly say I saw the flag and did not even give it a second moment's thought. Storm in a teacup.

 

[WarrenBee]

I wonder what we will be singing to the Swansea fans on Boxing day? Just wondered like. Time to grow up me thinks.

 

[Brickie Chap]

However, what you failed to do. Is rid the ground of those Brentford fans chanting "your just a town full of p*ki's"

Well said. Maybe pompeybee and the others didnt hear the chanting

 

[WarrenBee]

Well said. Maybe pompeybee and the others didnt hear the chanting

Surely not a case of selective hearing.

 

[Wee Dave]

Well said. Maybe pompeybee and the others didnt hear the chanting

What has some of our morons chanting racist stuff got to do with whether the Oldham flag should or shouldn't have been displayed?

This thread is as silly as a dog on springs

 

[Guildford Bee]

This thread is as silly as a dog on springs

I blame the knobber that started it

 

[Paulo Bee]

Ever thought about pulling your head out of your arse??

You get off on a bad note there. So the crux of your argument will be to insult me. Hmm.

Theres nothing wrong with the flag and its a sad day when people get so annoyed about someone being patriotic.

What convincing rhetoric, strong arguments all around. Many people disagree with you and have put forward some valid points. Yours is....?

The fact we cant even put a st georges flag up in hounslow high street because its deemed as racist is a joke. People being patriotic keep the country alive and look where ours is heading.............

Put your Daily Mail away mate, how embarassing. I agree it is ridiculous if the flag is not allowed in Hounslow High Street, but who are these mystical patriots saving our country? What a complete load of toss. You're right this country is in trouble, but what are you on about?

What if the guy whos flag it was had a relative killed on 7/7??? Still racist?? Think not.

That is your most embarassing Daily Mail like point of all. What difference does it make to the way a human being's actions are interpreted if they lost somebody in the tube bombings or not?

It would explain their anger. It would explain much of their reaction to their loss. It would not make their actions inherently acceptable however. If I am robbed by a black man tomorrow am I thereafter allowed to carry an irrational hatred of all black people? Is that anger legitimate because of one isolated incident? Er... nope.

The owner in question, is by the way, according to Oldham fans, a spotty little chav who is frequently heard singing songs about killing p#kis at their away games.

still not out then.......

The simple point is what would be wrong with me having a flag stating this?
Nothing. Where on the flag does it say that he hates anyone? It is pure and simple a statement about how he feels. And my point about this being a sad country is just. Especially when people like yourself start dreaming that this flag is any different....

It doesnt say I hate pakis on it does it?? It simply says that he was born in England, lives in England and wants to die in England. Three simple facts that have got everyone spitting their dummies out.

PS I dont read the Daily Mail

 

[Brickie Chap]

What has some of our morons chanting racist stuff got to do with whether the Oldham flag should or shouldn't have been displayed?

This thread is as silly as a dog on springs

...pompeybee is disgusted with a flag but didn't hear the clearly audible racist chanting by our fans in Brook Road...he was that offended by a flag he wrote to the Club but hasn't mentioned the clearly audible racist chanting by our fans in Brook Road...yep, sorry you're right...it has nothing to do with the thread subject...

 

[rebus]

'No Surrender to the IRA'.

Nothing wrong in saying that mate. Care to argue why we should surrender to them?

And before you ask, I don't read the Daily Mail either or have membership to any far-right groups.

 

[beesbeesbarmyarmy]

Nothing wrong in saying that mate. Care to argue why we should surrender to them?

And before you ask, I don't read the Daily Mail either or have membership to any far-right groups.

care to argue why it's relevant to chant it at a football match?

 

[good minton]

care to argue why it's relevant to chant it at a football match?

Wouldn't go down that particular route if i were you.

 

[Voice from the Braemar]

I wonder what we will be singing to the Swansea fans on Boxing day? Just wondered like. Time to grow up me thinks.

"aberfan, aberfan, aberfan"...................probably not best to though



bristol rovers did in '71 and it didnt go down to well...........apparently

 

[Les Beeavinu]

"aberfan, aberfan, aberfan"...................probably not best to though



bristol rovers did in '71 and it didnt go down to well...........apparently

Not really that funny though, is it? Just so that people don't have to read it all

"… no less than 144 men, women and children lost their lives. 116 of the victims were children, most of them between the ages of 7 and 10 …"

 

[NorthamptonBee]

260 odd replies!!

I called my son Billy George C**** as he was born on the 23rd April which is St George's day.
He has a giant towel with the cross of St George on.
I now see the error of my ways and will burn the towel in public and change his bleeding name. lol lol

 

[rebus]

care to argue why it's relevant to chant it at a football match?

You question is irrelevant as it was not answering the question I've posed.

 

[alexinho]

still not out then.......

The simple point is what would be wrong with me having a flag stating this?
Nothing. Where on the flag does it say that he hates anyone? It is pure and simple a statement about how he feels. And my point about this being a sad country is just. Especially when people like yourself start dreaming that this flag is any different....

It doesnt say I hate pakis on it does it?? It simply says that he was born in England, lives in England and wants to die in England. Three simple facts that have got everyone spitting their dummies out.

PS I dont read the Daily Mail

You are, however, lamentably obtuse.

The subtleties of linguistic nuance are obviously completely lost on you, so it is not worth arguing about this flag.

You conveniently ignored the fact that I picked your entire post to shreds and simply posted more complete dung in its place. Your rhetorical skills are those of a pre GCSE child. How old are you?

Embarassing is the only word for it.

 

[alexinho]

You question is irrelevant as it was not answering the question I've posed.

It is not relevant to a football match.

Unless you are part of a right wing group that uses football as an excuse to get together and sing racist songs under the pretext of supporting their football club.

You know as well as I do that that song has been a BNP anthem for years now. Singing it is a way of advertising your sympathies for Mr Griffin et al.

 

[Brentford St George]

It is not relevant to a football match.

Unless you are part of a right wing group that uses football as an excuse to get together and sing racist songs under the pretext of supporting their football club.

You know as well as I do that that song has been a BNP anthem for years now. Singing it is a way of advertising your sympathies for Mr Griffin et al.

So in other words you are defending a cowardly organisation which blows up innocent CHILDREN (remember Warrington) :mad1: .

Sleep well tonight you small minded muppet .

 

[good minton]

You are, however, lamentably obtuse.

The subtleties of linguistic nuance are obviously completely lost on you, so it is not worth arguing about this flag.

You conveniently ignored the fact that I picked your entire post to shreds and simply posted more complete dung in its place. Your rhetorical skills are those of a pre GCSE child. How old are you?

Embarassing is the only word for it.

rofl rofl rofl you have disappeared up your own arse entirely rofl rofl rofl

 

[alexinho]

So in other words you are defending a cowardly organisation which blows up innocent CHILDREN (remember Warrington) :mad1: .

Sleep well tonight you small minded muppet .

Oh FFS of course I'm not defending the IRA! How on earth have you managed to get that out of what I've posted??

2 + 2 = 473...

Being against the terrorist policies of the IRA and singing songs about them do not necessarily go hand in hand.

Singing this song in particular, which has been taken over by the BNP, who are worthy of similar distaste in my eyes, is an affirmation of approval for them.

I'll sleep just fine thanks you ignorant pillock.

 

[Brentford St George]

Oh FFS of course I'm not defending the IRA! How on earth have you managed to get that out of what I've posted??

2 + 2 = 473...

Being against the terrorist policies of the IRA and singing songs about them do not necessarily go hand in hand.

Singing this song in particular, which has been taken over by the BNP, who are worthy of similar distaste in my eyes, is an affirmation of approval for them.

I'll sleep just fine thanks you ignorant pillock.

I'll ask you the question once more

Do you support the IRA? .Yes or no?

 

[alexinho]

I'll ask you the question once more

Do you support the IRA? .Yes or no?

No.

Singing this song in particular, which has been taken over by the BNP, who are worthy of similar distaste in my eyes, is an affirmation of approval for them.


Your point being?

 

[SmiffyBee]

No.

Your point being?

he believes that because you object to one form of intolerance (BNP), you will accept another (IRA)....quite logical really

 

[alexinho]

he believes that because you object to one form of intolerance (BNP), you will accept another (IRA)....quite logical really

Sorry Smiffy, you're absolutely right, how did that pass me by?...

 

[Wee Dave]

I'll ask you the question once more

Do you support the IRA? .Yes or no?

lol

Get a load of this guy lol

 

[Brentford St George]

lol

Get a load of this guy lol

Aah........... Urine Div sorry Wee Dave,the person who had a gerry Adams avator :mad1:

How apt that that you now join the thread when the IRA are mentioned

 

[alexinho]

I'm still waiting to be hit by the full revelatory, enlightening force of your response to my answer to your very strange question, as though for an Epiphany itself.

 

[Wee Dave]

Aah........... Urine Div sorry Wee Dave,the person who had a gerry Adams avator :mad1:

How apt that that you now join the thread when the IRA are mentioned

Not at all. I smelt bullshit, and sure enough...

 

[rebus]

Singing it is a way of advertising your sympathies for Mr Griffin et al.

You complete and utter *****. I've heard some crap in my time but this takes the biscuit.

You have the nerve to effectively brand me as a racist and you've never even met me.

I cordially invite you to a pint in the Princess Royal against Chesterfield and we can talk about this face to face.

 

[gashbee]

lol

Get a load of this guy lol

Maybe he should change his name to Brentford Tricolour ?
Maybe that would suit you Wee ?
Perhaps being named St George he is indeed being a racist bigot.

Sorry to put words in your mouth.

 

[Banana]

Righto

I think this has been done now.

I'm going to close the thread aa I think everyone has made their points and it is now "going nowhere fast".