The long throw tactic

The long throw tactic

The use of it is embarrasing and shows up Uwe's limitations as a manager.
 

The long throw tactic

.................looks like it has been ditched.............
 

The long throw tactic

It worked twice in about 10 months. Waste of a throw in.....except those two times.
 

The long throw tactic

Invipai said:
It worked twice in about 10 months. Waste of a throw in.....except those two times.
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...............so................not a complete waste of a throw in then..............
 

The long throw tactic

GP200 said:
...............so................not a complete waste of a throw in then..............
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If it doesn't work for 4 months at a time, in which we play about 16 games, then yeah I'd rather think it usually will be a waste.
 

The long throw tactic

If we're winning/performing without it -as at present- then it makes sense to drop it from the repertoire altogether for a spell, but keep it practised in case of need.
Assuming our next opposition have had us watched in our previous game or two, it might come as a surprise to them. If they haven't specifically prepared to defend it, then it could create pressure and/or a goal.
Generally though, I prefer that it be "for emergency use only".
 

The long throw tactic

I thought we'd seen the last of this desperate tactic when we sold Hunt.
 

The long throw tactic

................no more long throws then................
 

The long throw tactic

............at last.............it's back............
 

The long throw tactic

While not producing a goal, when the opposition defence is at sixes-and-sevens, loading the box with our bigger players who can head the ball and launching it in caused enough chaos to maybe have got something.
 

The long throw tactic

jlove said:
While not producing a goal, when the opposition defence is at sixes-and-sevens, loading the box with our bigger players who can head the ball and launching it in caused enough chaos to maybe have got something.
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came close yesterday first half, ball was flicked on and went straight in front of the 6yard box unfortunately no one there to get something on it
 

The long throw tactic

..............yep............glad it's back............,,,,
 

The long throw tactic

well the long throw causes more problems than our corners, and pens come to that.
 

The long throw tactic

...............yep............back at Griffin Park............
 

The long throw tactic

The long throw tactic

if we had any sort of tactics based upon it rather than what looks like just something we throw (pun not intended) together when the opportunity arises, what we constantly do wrong is nobody knows what runs to make, where to stand or is ever where the ball is, when David Hunt was chucking balls into the box i can only remember us scoring once from it and that was Ryan Dickson against Norwich, since then we don't do anything usually don't get on the end of the ball, if we are going to do it and I like the idea put someone on the keeper and a few others around the penalty spot and 6 yard box the throw it in right under the bar and don't give the keeper any room to breathe that will either get us a goal or we'll foul the keeper but either something interesting will happen over the usual keeper collects under no pressure or defender clears and there isn't a Brentford player in sight
 

The long throw tactic

From what I have seen this tactic equates to about a 1% success rate, but I accept there is a time and place to do this, ie when there are about 5-10 minutes to go and we are losing/drawing and are basically desperate.
 

The long throw tactic

Kingston Bee said:
From what I have seen this tactic equates to about a 1% success rate, but I accept there is a time and place to do this, ie when there are about 5-10 minutes to go and we are losing/drawing and are basically desperate.
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Broadly agree. A useful tactic to use once or twice in a game (but with someone standing near where he expects to throw it to), but not every time
 

The long throw tactic

Brain-dead Bee said:
Broadly agree. A useful tactic to use once or twice in a game (but with someone standing near where he expects to throw it to), but not every time
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Maybe a slightly more potent weapon when you have a forward such as Farid who can actually compete in the air. Apart from him and Harlee we really don't have anyone who is a good offensive header of the ball.
 

The long throw tactic

Brain-dead Bee said:
Broadly agree. A useful tactic to use once or twice in a game (but with someone standing near where he expects to throw it to), but not every time
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Cant help but agree with you. I think it is a good tactic used sparingly, but given it rarely reaches the corner of the 6 yard box, we need to adapt our tactics accordingly. Throw it to that point, have Dean there and head it back out to the edge of the penalty area where we should have 4 players waiting to take a shot.

When Stoke use it they often only have 1 or 2 players in the penalty area. This sucks the oppo in and they often load players in the box, meaning there is plenty of space just outside it.
 

The long throw tactic

I really really dislike this tactic, madness keeping our most dangerous forward who is good in the air himself, out of the box.
 

The long throw tactic

We just don't really possess the aerial threat to make this a potent tactic.

This might change when Farid returns.

As it is we did get the last gasp equaliser at Tranmere from a long throw so there has been some return.

As for corners: 2 goals v Orient and since then Sweet FA
 

The long throw tactic

We've always been rubbish at corners with only a few years of Terry Evans thrown to buck the trend.
 

The long throw tactic

...........a very non league tactic from Orient today..........at every opportunity they used it...............
 

The long throw tactic

GP200 said:
...........a very non league tactic from Orient today..........at every opportunity they used it...............
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"Non-League"? Remind me again what League Stoke City are in?

Long throws are every bit as legitimate as long corners or long goal kicks (imo).

And as we saw today, they are no more (or less) effective.

It's part of the game, and teams just have to learn to deal with it.

Fortunately, Brentford have.
 

The long throw tactic

Didn't CD take some lomg throws back in the 2011-12 season? Boxing day vs Bournemouth for instance - before Legge got a late equaliser.
 

The long throw tactic

JordanBEE said:
Didn't CD take some lomg throws back in the 2011-12 season? Boxing day vs Bournemouth for instance - before Legge got a late equaliser.
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Last time we scored from a long throw was JD's last gasp equaliser at Tranmere last season.
 

The long throw tactic

I don't see why, very occasionally, CD couldn't catch opponents off guard by taking a long throw. When he was taking them it always seemed to be every throw or none at all, never mixing it up.
 

The long throw tactic

Interesting just watched Southend Oxford with David Hunt doing a solid job at left back.
However his throws seem even longer now - he was reaching the middle of goal area, but by god I had forgotten just how bad league 2 is poor ball control, passing and defending,
It made me realise just how much we have progressed and the quality of our current playing staff.
To think we used to "enjoy" that crap every week
 

The long throw tactic

We had a throw down by Coventry's corner flag. Within 10 seconds and 4 or 5 passes we had managed to work it back to David Button in our goal. I am all for possession football. but at the time I reflected all the debate we had about the effectiveness of long throws. It appears to me they are all better than an extended back pass.
 

The long throw tactic

Long throw and we have a 50-50 chance of retaining control of the ball and a 50% need to battle to get it back; short throw and 4 or 5 passes back to Button and then probably 4 or 5 passes back out again, we've retained the ball and control of the game. Not only that, our opponents have had a 0% chance of scoring, that seems OK to me.
 

The long throw tactic

jlove said:
Long throw and we have a 50-50 chance of retaining control of the ball and a 50% need to battle to get it back; short throw and 4 or 5 passes back to Button and then probably 4 or 5 passes back out again, we've retained the ball and control of the game. Not only that, our opponents have had a 0% chance of scoring, that seems OK to me.
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If you don't buy a ticket, you won't win the lottery.
Get the ball in the box and a chance is created.
Goals come from chances.
Wins come from goals.

That's percentage football.
 

The long throw tactic

Remind me, how were Donaldson's and McCormack's goal scored on Saturday?
 

The long throw tactic

SmiffyBee said:
If you don't buy a ticket, you won't win the lottery.
Get the ball in the box and a chance is created.
Goals come from chances.
Wins come from goals.

That's percentage football.
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............have you been to the Ady Hoofroyd/Graham Taylor coaching weekend??????.........
 

The long throw tactic

OK, wise guy ;), let me rephrase that: Remind me, by which method and from which area of the pitch were the moves which lead to Donaldson's and McCormack's goals initiated on Saturday?
 

The long throw tactic

jlove said:
OK, wise guy ;), let me rephrase that: Remind me, by which method and from which area of the pitch were the moves which lead to Donaldson's and McCormack's goals initiated on Saturday?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxSN_F0Fw_8

....but I was talikng about the choice between a short, safe, cautious throw in and a chance creating, hopeful, opportunistic thrown in.
 

The long throw tactic

Balders Bee said:
Maybe a slightly more potent weapon when you have a forward such as Farid who can actually compete in the air. Apart from him and Harlee we really don't have anyone who is a good offensive header of the ball.
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If Harlee is a good offensive header of the ball I would hate to see a poor one. The guy wins about 90% of all the balls that go into the penalty area but only gets 1 or 2 on target per season. If he could learn to direct a header he would score 10 a season.
 

The long throw tactic

SmiffyBee said:
If you don't buy a ticket, you won't win the lottery.
Get the ball in the box and a chance is created.
Goals come from chances.
Wins come from goals.

That's percentage football.
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:imwith:

Yes, scrap this nice football crap. Bring back Andy Scott! :)
 

The long throw tactic

jlove said:
Long throw and we have a 50-50 chance of retaining control of the ball and a 50% need to battle to get it back; short throw and 4 or 5 passes back to Button and then probably 4 or 5 passes back out again, we've retained the ball and control of the game. Not only that, our opponents have had a 0% chance of scoring, that seems OK to me.
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You are beating your head against a brick wall I'm afraid. Some people just don't get it and never will. The world has moved on to a digital age and they are still looking for valves for the wireless. They need to ask themselves why it is that Spain rule the world as far as football is concerned and the success that top European club sides have had. Possession really is 90% of the law in football, if you ain't got the ball your not going to score and your opponents can. Simple really, just rather odd that so many otherwise intelligent people don't seem to get it!
 

The long throw tactic

Adam said:
:scratch:

You would prefer we took a long throw and get the ball in the 'mix', than a cautious short throw, yes?
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Yes. get the ball in the box lad.
 
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