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Its not about how good Bean is, the question should be can we get better. If the answer is yes then we have to go for it, simples surely.
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Midfields need to be constructed with various different types of players. There's no point in just having flair or creative players if there's no one to do to grunt work. I felt that with our full compliment of Douglas, Dave, Forshaw, Bean and Saunders (you can also through Kev into that too) we had a thoroughly balanced midfield - and this has proven to be the case over the past few weeks. Bean is currently playing out of position, keeping Forrester and McGinn out of the team and we're winning.
He's certainly not the most talented player in the team and his lack of footballing ability and technique can be incredily infuriating at times, but his contribution is essential. He works hard, positionally he's strong and he harries the opposition. To top all of this he seems a very honest and well-leveled footballer, and hasn't caused a fuss whilst he's been a Bee. Would be happy if we gave him a two year deal.
He's certainly not the most talented player in the team and his lack of footballing ability and technique can be incredily infuriating at times, but his contribution is essential. He works hard, positionally he's strong and he harries the opposition. To top all of this he seems a very honest and well-leveled footballer, and hasn't caused a fuss whilst he's been a Bee. Would be happy if we gave him a two year deal.
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Yeah we do need grafters as well as flair players, but we can get better grafters in than Bean...
I can't remember a single thing he did today...doesn't mean that usually is the case. But I've always believed we can do better when we have a 3 month gap to find someone...
I can't remember a single thing he did today...doesn't mean that usually is the case. But I've always believed we can do better when we have a 3 month gap to find someone...
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Think that's a little unnecessary but I would love to see Bean stay, even if just a squad player.
Personally, I think he brings so much work ethic and fight to the team that you really notice when he's not on the pitch.
Good enough for the championship? Not sure, but would like him to be offered a year at least as I think he's earned it
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Says the man who has spent most of the season slagging off the club and the Manager .
Loyalties misplaced maybe ?
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Moribee, don't you feel a tadge embarrassed by the remarks you aim at posters who simply wish to express a view which is contrary to yours? Unfortunately, you are not the only one. The end product of your abuse is that no-one takes you seriously except the others who behave in a similarly disrespectful manner.No-one takes them seriously either.
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Exactly. The arguement for some to keep him is that you need grafters in the side. Totally agree, but we need to be looking for a better class of grafter.
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Moribee, don't you feel a tadge embarrassed by the remarks you aim at posters who simply wish to express a view which is contrary to yours? Unfortunately, you are not the only one. The end product of your abuse is that no-one takes you seriously except the others who behave in a similarly disrespectful manner.No-one takes them seriously either.
Not in the least,you are missing the ethos,and have on problem with others opinions but there are times when loyalty to a player who part of a championship winning team rises above all this nitpicking criticism. It's unbelievable how easy people are prepared to ditch things they have become bored with. No repeat or self respect and I question why some people on here go to GP. I hope some of their customers or employers and ready to yield the hatchet on them. My opinion ok!!! Get some bloody loyalty.
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He is one of us and there have been reasons to question some of the practices off the pitch and I think and hope they have been addressed by others who care
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I've got enough years "service" supporting Brentford so I think I can have an opinion on anything I like without being self-righteously lectured to. Who made you the King of Brentford btw - you do like to tell fellow Bees fans what they should and shouldn't think?
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What we're talking about is building the best squad possible for next season. This involves keeping the players considered good enough, moving on the players that aren't and bringing in new players who are. This happens every year in football so how you've missed this concept in all the years you've been a supporter Heaven knows. :shrug:
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Loyalty - I was travelling into Paddington from Cheltenham last Saturday and I was ear-wigging two rather eloquent middle-aged Chelsea supporters decrying the effectiveness (or rather lack of it) of Frank Lampard and that it may be time to 'get rid'. I'm not attempting to draw any parallels as that would be crass in the extreme, but I use it as an example of just how short term the loyalties of supporters can be.
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You don't like others who have different opinions. How about you move on as you don't have the ability to be on here for another year. Hope he gets offered another year but at end of day it's up to the club not you.
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Bean still goes to Loftus Road and wishes QPR well on twitter. Surprised moribee isn't demanding he be burnt at the stake.
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I'm fine with all sorts of different opinions - we can't all be the same. You seem to need us all to think your way though. :shrug:
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Love different opinions,it's how we learn in life,weigh up values of things. I don't like a player being stabbed in the back when 3 years ago he was being cheered. He has done no wrong this season,if people havent got anything decent to say about the lad keep it shut. Next step is personal abuse from the terraces in my opinion.
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No issue with you having your view-only how you express it. That's the point.
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Stabbing him in the back? Personal abuse?
There's more abuse by numpties on twitter than at our ground or on the GPG.
Bean is a limited player. He does what he does when we need it. He's not one you want hanging onto the ball. He wins it and gives it to someone who's a little more skilful. If the club can afford it and he's prepared to sit in the stands and to be called upon when needed then fine. I think he deserves first team football but at a level he can play at. He'll get offers, or maybe he's had offers, from clubs in league 1 & 2 but not from clubs aiming for the Championship.
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OK Moribee I will bite as well.
Bean has done very well for the club and has given the best that he can, he is 100% committed and never scared to go in for a tackle. However for all his strengths he also has weaknesses which are clear for all to see.
Dont see anyone stabbing him in the back, I do see, in the main, well argued posts discussing his merits and whether these merits are sufficient to offer him a further contract. My own opinion is that, unless the management are aware of a similar player with the same strengths and better skills, then a years contract is not unreasonable.
You go on to mention loyalty however the one thing I can assure you is that footballers are all fully aware that the only loyal people involved in football are teh supporters. Players will follow the money, as will Managers, whilst at the same time if a player does not "fit" then he will not be offered a contract. There have been exceptions, recall the club giving Statham an additional years contract after he had broken his leg, however in todays world a footballer is no more or less than a well paid comodity.
I have no doubt that if we were to let him go he would find a new club to ply his trade and earn considerably more than most posters on here!!
If you beleive that he is worthy of a 2 year contract then justify it with reasons, loyalty is not a valid one!!
Bean has done very well for the club and has given the best that he can, he is 100% committed and never scared to go in for a tackle. However for all his strengths he also has weaknesses which are clear for all to see.
Dont see anyone stabbing him in the back, I do see, in the main, well argued posts discussing his merits and whether these merits are sufficient to offer him a further contract. My own opinion is that, unless the management are aware of a similar player with the same strengths and better skills, then a years contract is not unreasonable.
You go on to mention loyalty however the one thing I can assure you is that footballers are all fully aware that the only loyal people involved in football are teh supporters. Players will follow the money, as will Managers, whilst at the same time if a player does not "fit" then he will not be offered a contract. There have been exceptions, recall the club giving Statham an additional years contract after he had broken his leg, however in todays world a footballer is no more or less than a well paid comodity.
I have no doubt that if we were to let him go he would find a new club to ply his trade and earn considerably more than most posters on here!!
If you beleive that he is worthy of a 2 year contract then justify it with reasons, loyalty is not a valid one!!
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Agree with this sentiment.
I am sure Mori is only having a go at the posters saying he has no skill, is a plodder, is not good enough...We are in our highest league position since 2006 and Bean is a major part of it....
He is one of ther vocal members of the team -lifting the players....He keeps proving people wrong.....
Yes, we could get a better player to star in the Championship, but look back at Brentford's history - we've been at that level just once since the 2nd world war.
He might well be replaced by a Forshaw type player, but as we have seen in the past, that doesn't always go so well.
I say again - we know what we have we've Bean and he is decent enough for a league one promotion chasing squad.
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...unless you have the evidence - i'll say this is NOT true....
not that it matters all that much really....
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I must have been watching another team between 1947 and 1954...........
He was referring to The Korean War!
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Just going by his tweets this season. Not gonna trawl through the lot for 'evidence'. Ask him yourself if he still feels fondly about QPR?
I agree though, totally irrelevant. Just surprised by moribee's double standards, that's all.
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Stabbing him in the back? Personal abuse?
There's more abuse by numpties on twitter than at our ground or on the GPG.
Bean is a limited player. He does what he does when we need it. He's not one you want hanging onto the ball. He wins it and gives it to someone who's a little more skilful. If the club can afford it and he's prepared to sit in the stands and to be called upon when needed then fine. I think he deserves first team football but at a level he can play at. He'll get offers, or maybe he's had offers, from clubs in league 1 & 2 but not from clubs aiming for the Championship.
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I must have been watching another team between 1947 and 1954...........
sorry - got my decades mixed up
He probably does look back with some pride on his first proper club, QPR - I haven't seen any evidence he is supporting them or going to Loftus Road.
Not sure when he'd have time to either !
Sam Sodje was at GP last Saturday, talking to fans in the Brentford hospitality suite - Do you think Notts County fans think he is a Brentford fan ?
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Bean and his scum connections are of little to no concern. Similar to DJ they're both local blokes who happened to start out there. Only natural they'd have some positive feelings towards them.
Both players though gave/give their all when playing for us in spite of this though and thus their fan allegiance doesn't matter.
Was skeptical of Bean initially but he won me over with a string of consistent displays. This season too he looked like being the one to miss out however circumstances meant we needed him and he took his chance without looking back .
I wouldn't be too averse if we offered him a one year deal however I also feel we'd likely be looking for a similar style of player but of a higher standard. Perhaps one who can do both the gritty tackling side of the game and play pretty football depending when which suits.
It isn't a video game though and you can't expect a player to wait around all Summer just incase you don't get someone better in.
Ive grown to like Bean and he's been a very important player for us this season. I do think he will be playing elsewhere next season though and if so will be happy for him to do well so long as it doesn't negatively affect us.
Both players though gave/give their all when playing for us in spite of this though and thus their fan allegiance doesn't matter.
Was skeptical of Bean initially but he won me over with a string of consistent displays. This season too he looked like being the one to miss out however circumstances meant we needed him and he took his chance without looking back .
I wouldn't be too averse if we offered him a one year deal however I also feel we'd likely be looking for a similar style of player but of a higher standard. Perhaps one who can do both the gritty tackling side of the game and play pretty football depending when which suits.
It isn't a video game though and you can't expect a player to wait around all Summer just incase you don't get someone better in.
Ive grown to like Bean and he's been a very important player for us this season. I do think he will be playing elsewhere next season though and if so will be happy for him to do well so long as it doesn't negatively affect us.
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Yes good at battling etc but struggles to control a ball and make use with it
Better must be signed in the summer
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Ok those who keep advocating giving him a new contract please support your arguments because today he showed all the reasons not to
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I don't think one poor performance radically changes peoples opinions of him just as a good one wouldn't either. Judge him over the seasons performances. Agree with those who believe he should have been subbed earlier than he was today. Not his type of game at all but Dave wasn't any better and even Douglas didn't reach the heights of recent performances.
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He was strong and busy, but really wasn't creative enough.
Not the game for him today. Plenty of games will suit him but not that one. Sheffield Wednesday will probably be his last game in a bees shirt, and I wish him well.
Not the game for him today. Plenty of games will suit him but not that one. Sheffield Wednesday will probably be his last game in a bees shirt, and I wish him well.
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It was clear today that huff and puff was not going to be enough, unfortunately that is all that Bean offers. He cannot perform how we need him to, its in both parties interests that he moves on. Its a no brainer.
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He fully lived up to his reputation today of being someone who can break up attacks - the problem was that it was our attacks he was breaking up every time he got the ball - truly woeful today and if those who want to keep him cant see he isnt up to this level then they need help.
Throw in another chicken hearted sub appearance from McGinn and Morrisons
non contribution and you begin to understand why we didnt win.
What has Forrester done to not even get 15 minutes in the last four games ?
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