TITS Issue 86

[Bill Benn]

Can't see anything about this on here,**** me Nick and Rich not very good timing to vent your honest oppinions.Think you 2 should start drinking what Dave and Billy are on at beesottedrofl I bought my copy off Nick straight after Friday nights destruction on the filth down the road and fair play he did sheepishly say it went to press before all this happened (wins v Charlton and QpHaaaa)but that's life.

I really hope they can move on and finally stop crying about Warburton,and enjoy being in the championship.We all know mistakes have been made and things are far from perfect on and off the field but when have they ever been in the last 50 years.I hate seeing our club ridiculed by Radio stations like Talkshite who most presenters are as thick as pigs sh*t or these so called pundits like Tony. Cottee saying " he fears for our club" and telling our fans to"get used to it "after we lost at home a few weeks back so to see them quoted in our Fanzine that now preaches its independent ( by the way what does that mean) really pisses me off and borders on treason.I don't expect every fan to be of one mind but I've always hated seeing people being kicked when their down and when our club was being ridiculed by many outside of it and a few who were in it that's the time we should all stick together and support the owner of the club even if some of his employees are failing in their duties.If we win the next 2 games we will be on par to our tally last season at this time not bad without a permanent manager and still lots of players out.

TiTs have produced great fanzines through some very dark times at the club and have given money to good causes over this time hope they can get back to making me laugh along with some good player interviews like the old days.

 

[larrysigny]

Hate to disagree with you Benn - but I think Nick/Rich have produced a piece that sums up the feelings of many (I almost said most) true fans. For myself, I'm too long in the tooth to worry about winning or losing - to me, football is (or should be) a sport - and our club has lost that sportsmanship feel it always had. TITS has, I believe, dared voice the true feeling of the real fans who've been with the club through all the bad times - not the thousands who've jumped on the bandwagon once winning - and making a profit - were the ONLY things that mattered.

 

[Banana]

I didn't even get a copy.

 

[nick logan]

Hate to disagree with you Benn - but I think Nick/Rich have produced a piece that sums up the feelings of many (I almost said most) true fans. For myself, I'm too long in the tooth to worry about winning or losing - to me, football is (or should be) a sport - and our club has lost that sportsmanship feel it always had. TITS has, I believe, dared voice the true feeling of the real fans who've been with the club through all the bad times - not the thousands who've jumped on the bandwagon once winning - and making a profit - were the ONLY things that mattered.

oh dear where to start , how about

" making a profit " thats a good one

 

[Banana]

oh dear where to start , how about

" making a profit " thats a good one

How about "true fans" and then "real fans"?

 

[hanworthbee]

I thought it was a good read, in some ways we have reverted to last season when carsley took over .....settled team, one voice.....we were only going one way with MD in charge but I agree whenever a tits issue comes out the interviewed player leaves or we embark on an amazing winning run!!

 

[nick logan]

How about "true fans" and then "real fans"?

:lol:

 

[nick logan]

I thought it was a good read, in some ways we have reverted to last season when carsley took over .....settled team, one voice.....we were only going one way with MD in charge

Its not one voice , nothing has changed except the manager and LC uses all the coaches at his disposal , so you lot can stop congratulating yourself because if anything we are more "stats b***ocks " under LC

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Its not one voice , nothing has changed except the manager and LC uses all the coaches at his disposal , so you lot can stop congratulating yourself because if anything we are more "stats b***ocks " under LC

They can't help themselves on this one.

 

[hanworthbee]

Well Alan judge begs to differ so Im happy to believe him.....

 

[GABS]

Hate to disagree with you Benn - but I think Nick/Rich have produced a piece that sums up the feelings of many (I almost said most) true fans. For myself, I'm too long in the tooth to worry about winning or losing - to me, football is (or should be) a sport - and our club has lost that sportsmanship feel it always had. TITS has, I believe, dared voice the true feeling of the real fans who've been with the club through all the bad times - not the thousands who've jumped on the bandwagon once winning - and making a profit - were the ONLY things that mattered.

I'm nearing the last year of my 30s, admittedly not the oldest on here, but would have to say I disagree with most of that.

I'd go as far as saying the viewpoint you mention is in the minority.

 

[Banana]

I'm nearing the last year of my 30s, admittedly not the oldest on here, but would have to say I disagree with most of that.

I'd go as far as saying that viewpoint is in the minority.

Not a true fan or real fan obviously :sad:

Just like the rest of us....

 

[Bill Benn]

Hate to disagree with you Benn - but I think Nick/Rich have produced a piece that sums up the feelings of many (I almost said most) true fans. For myself, I'm too long in the tooth to worry about winning or losing - to me, football is (or should be) a sport - and our club has lost that sportsmanship feel it always had. TITS has, I believe, dared voice the true feeling of the real fans who've been with the club through all the bad times - not the thousands who've jumped on the bandwagon once winning - and making a profit - were the ONLY things that mattered.

Glad you disagree Signy,Didn't hear any of that nonsense at Leeds Wolves Charlton from the fans I spoke to maybe they weren't real.What are you promoting losing games and money?

 

[Bill Benn]

Well Alan judge begs to differ so Im happy to believe him.....

Why?

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Hate to disagree with you Benn - but I think Nick/Rich have produced a piece that sums up the feelings of many (I almost said most) true fans. For myself, I'm too long in the tooth to worry about winning or losing - to me, football is (or should be) a sport - and our club has lost that sportsmanship feel it always had. TITS has, I believe, dared voice the true feeling of the real fans who've been with the club through all the bad times - not the thousands who've jumped on the bandwagon once winning - and making a profit - were the ONLY things that mattered.

What a horrible post. See you in Blackburn you true fan.

 

[wibs]

I didn't even get a copy.

I'll scan you one and send it over

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Well Alan judge begs to differ so Im happy to believe him.....

If that helps you with your rubbish spouted against everything in the early part of the season then hold onto that. It must be very awkward having been so anti now that we've won a few games.

 

[Doovster]

Hate to disagree with you Benn - but I think Nick/Rich have produced a piece that sums up the feelings of many (I almost said most) true fans. For myself, I'm too long in the tooth to worry about winning or losing - to me, football is (or should be) a sport - and our club has lost that sportsmanship feel it always had. TITS has, I believe, dared voice the true feeling of the real fans who've been with the club through all the bad times - not the thousands who've jumped on the bandwagon once winning - and making a profit - were the ONLY things that mattered.

What a patronising statement. I consider myself a 'real' fan having seen my first game in 1979 as a six year old. I haven't managed to read the whole thing yet as I found the opening 'edlines' too depressing and way OTT and, in my opinion, completely misguided and smacked of throwing toys out of the pram for some reason. I have no problem with Rich and Nick and know they bleed red and white but I don't agree with their opinions one bit on this one. That said everyone is entitled to an opinion and they're quite entitled to voice theirs as much as anyone else is.

 

[hanworthbee]

If that helps you with your rubbish spouted against everything in the early part of the season then hold onto that. It must be very awkward having been so anti now that we've won a few games.

I wasn't anti just concerned about going down....obviously I'm pleased results have picked up any long may it continue but until we have 52 points I won't be able relax!

 

[Balders Bee]

Its not one voice , nothing has changed except the manager and LC uses all the coaches at his disposal , so you lot can stop congratulating yourself because if anything we are more "stats b***ocks " under LC

Care to define "You lot" Nick......... Funny could have sworn we were all Bees fan's whatever our opinions....

We all know Stats are part and parcel of today's game as is man management, organisation, fitness and tactical nous. All things that LC seems to have brought to the team and long may it continue but don't let that stop you having a pop at anyone who has a contrary view to you.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

I wasn't anti just concerned about going down....obviously I'm pleased results have picked up any long may it continue but until we have 52 points I won't be able relax!

Trust me, you were very negative and not alone, things were tough but some of us crumbled far too early IMO.

 

[BlueJayBee]

Hate to disagree with you Benn - but I think Nick/Rich have produced a piece that sums up the feelings of many (I almost said most) true fans. For myself, I'm too long in the tooth to worry about winning or losing - to me, football is (or should be) a sport - and our club has lost that sportsmanship feel it always had. TITS has, I believe, dared voice the true feeling of the real fans who've been with the club through all the bad times - not the thousands who've jumped on the bandwagon once winning - and making a profit - were the ONLY things that mattered.

I guess, even after 44 years, I still don't qualify as a "true fan" then.

 

[Hullbee]

I didn't even get a copy.

PM them and ask for a scanned copy that's what I do.

 

[Bill Benn]

Care to define "You lot" Nick......... Funny could have sworn we were all Bees fan's whatever our opinions....

We all know Stats are part and parcel of today's game as is man management, organisation, fitness and tactical nous. All things that LC seems to have brought to the team and long may it continue but don't let that stop you having a pop at anyone who has a contrary view to you.

Having a pop?is that what your doing? Or are we just disagreeing.I totally agree what Nick has posted as far as you lot goes if the cap fits ...

 

[NorthamptonBee]

I would suggest that "You lot" means the people who struggled with the Jan goings on, kept that going for the end of last season, wouldn't keep off the subject all summer whilst suggesting we were fecked and at the very first sign of trouble made the noises about last season and how they wanted it all back. I had hoped and expected to be top all season but alas it wasn't to be but moaning about everything including going for the DoFs was just rubbish, the DoFs might well be a pair of duds but what evidence have we all got to suggest this and bearing in mind the early stage of their time with us. It isn't about differing opinions but lose a few games and slagging the whole concept off was plain weird, even the Rotherham home thread was all about last season for a few pages, I'm actually as frustrated with our own fans as anything that has gone wrong at BFC, we had/have too many Cottees amongst us.

 

[Banana]

I'll scan you one and send it over

Thank you.

Seriously if someone could post me their used copy, I'd appreciate it. PM me if so.

 

[Balders Bee]

Back to the fanzine. Good read I thought, the Hester's write it as they see it and they did include viewpoints contrary to their own as well. Don't quite see the 'Treason' cited in the first post on this thread but I'm sure others will.

 

[aawharris]

I thought it was a good read, in some ways we have reverted to last season when carsley took over .....settled team, one voice.....we were only going one way with MD in charge but I agree whenever a tits issue comes out the interviewed player leaves or we embark on an amazing winning run!!

I dont get where this "One voice" thing comes from.
I know Judgey mentioned SOMETHING along those lines in an interview but how would anyone know who he is talking about, as it seems like most people (with ulterior motives) are insinuating its MB that was interfering and i DO NOT believe that for one moment

 

[nick logan]

Care to define "You lot" Nick......... Funny could have sworn we were all Bees fan's whatever our opinions....

We all know Stats are part and parcel of today's game as is man management, organisation, fitness and tactical nous. All things that LC seems to have brought to the team and long may it continue but don't let that stop you having a pop at anyone who has a contrary view to you.

The people that lied about our approach and made things up , ignored the injuries and wouldn't give time to new foreign players .
The ones that now hilariously think that MB has changed approach and claim that they were right.

Its not about contrary to my opinion , its about seeing past the end of your nose and realising that the man who has transformed BFC quite unbelievably should be shown some ****ing respect and thanked not moaned at about " stats b***ocks " especially as its the " stats b***ocks " thats has got us from League 2 to the Championshion and more than likely onto the prem.

As i posted on another thread , some very good bees have had some doubts and resrvations and that is fine. Its the lies that were spouted BY SOME that annoys most of all.

Not seen too many holding their hands up either

 

[Hullbee]

I guess, even after 44 years, I still don't qualify as a "true fan" then.

I am afraid unless you have had a crap in the Ealing road toliets devoid of a seat you will never be classed as a true fan in Larrys eyes. Although I would be grateful as would the rest of us real fans and supporters that when you go through this ritual of acceptance you close the door rather than leaving it open with you trousers by your ankles reading the programme as Larrys does. But hey that's what being a true fan is all about feeling comfortable during games whilst sat on the throne at Griffin Park clothes soaking up piss as you drop your load

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Who gives a sh*t what they've written. I could produce a two page pamphlet and give it out at the ground summing up what I think or produce a daily blog or plaster my views all over Twitter or the GPG (oh I do that don't I!!!!!) but that doesn't make me any more or less important than the person who might say nothing. It's just one more opinion and if people want to be led by it, more fool them.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Nick and Rich are nice guys, I didn't buy a copy as I presumed it would be a few weeks out of date and just like the GPG was a few weeks back, I didn't want to read it all again, Rich bumped into me and jolted my broken back, Nick ruffled my hair as he saw the pain on my face when I saw 5 minutes go up on the 90 of the QPR game. I get the impression they are struggling a bit with this season, it has been tough but hopefully we're turning in the right direction and GP becomes fun again, I'm sure we all agree on that one subject.

 

[Bill Benn]

Back to the fanzine. Good read I thought, the Hester's write it as they see it and they did include viewpoints contrary to their own as well. Don't quite see the 'Treason' cited in the first post on this thread but I'm sure others will.

"Treason" I wrote that could have put disloyal.I would never side with people outside this club taking the piss but then again I also write as I see it.

 

[Gee Bee]

Hate to disagree with you Benn - but I think Nick/Rich have produced a piece that sums up the feelings of many (I almost said most) true fans. For myself, I'm too long in the tooth to worry about winning or losing - to me, football is (or should be) a sport - and our club has lost that sportsmanship feel it always had. TITS has, I believe, dared voice the true feeling of the real fans who've been with the club through all the bad times - not the thousands who've jumped on the bandwagon once winning - and making a profit - were the ONLY things that mattered.

States the man who wanted us to unite alongside Uncle Ron.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

I dont get where this "One voice" thing comes from.
I know Judgey mentioned SOMETHING along those lines in an interview but how would anyone know who he is talking about, as it seems like most people (with ulterior motives) are insinuating its MB that was interfering and i DO NOT believe that for one moment

Rasmus methinks, he was painted as a bad apple towards the end of last season and hasn't really got a chance with some of the players after that. My guesswork though.

 

[Bill Benn]

Nick and Rich are nice guys, I didn't buy a copy as I presumed it would be a few weeks out of date and just like the GPG was a few weeks back, I didn't want to read it all again, Rich bumped into me and jolted my broken back, Nick ruffled my hair as he saw the pain on my face when I saw 5 minutes go up on the 90 of the QPR game. I get the impression they are struggling a bit with this season, it has been tough but hopefully we're turning in the right direction and GP becomes fun again, I'm sure we all agree on that one subject.

So they attacked a cripple ...bastards

 

[NorthamptonBee]

So they attacked a cripple ...bastards

Mr Cripple to you Benn!

 

[Bill Benn]

Who gives a sh*t what they've written. I could produce a two page pamphlet and give it out at the ground summing up what I think or produce a daily blog or plaster my views all over Twitter or the GPG (oh I do that don't I!!!!!) but that doesn't make me any more or less important than the person who might say nothing. It's just one more opinion and if people want to be led by it, more fool them.

I do because I bought a copy and happen to like Fanzines and TiTs is normally a good read and a lot of effort goes into producing them long may they continue.

 

[Balders Bee]

I would suggest that "You lot" means the people who struggled with the Jan goings on, kept that going for the end of last season, wouldn't keep off the subject all summer whilst suggesting we were fecked and at the very first sign of trouble made the noises about last season and how they wanted it all back. I had hoped and expected to be top all season but alas it wasn't to be but moaning about everything including going for the DoFs was just rubbish, the DoFs might well be a pair of duds but what evidence have we all got to suggest this and bearing in mind the early stage of their time with us. It isn't about differing opinions but lose a few games and slagging the whole concept off was plain weird, even the Rotherham home thread was all about last season for a few pages, I'm actually as frustrated with our own fans as anything that has gone wrong at BFC, we had/have too many Cottees amongst us.

I'm sure Nick can answer for himself. But since you did answer that's quite a broad category of "You lot" anyone who hasn't agreed with you or expressed any opinion contrary to your own or concern about any of the goings on at the club since January 2015.....Wow.

When exactly does a Brentford fan become a "Cottee" in your eyes and what do you suggest it done with such people. It's a shame that it is causing you so much frustration and you can't just enjoy the recent upturn in results for what they are.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

I'm sure Nick can answer for himself. But since you did answer that's quite a broad category of "You lot" anyone who hasn't agreed with you or expressed any opinion contrary to your own or concern about any of the goings on at the club since January 2015.....Wow.

When exactly does a Brentford fan become a "Cottee" in your eyes and what do you suggest it done with such people. It's a shame that it is causing you so much frustration and you can't just enjoy the recent upturn in results for what they are.

When did I say that? Panning everything since Jan, you were part of that and people see through your words, support the team, forget the past mate, stop pretending and join the party.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

I do because I bought a copy and happen to like Fanzines and TiTs is normally a good read and a lot of effort goes into producing them long may they continue.

The point I'm making though is that we shouldn't elevate the importance of it - just another couple of views whether you agree with them or not but for some reason, people give it more credence because it's written down in a home grown publication. It's the same as bloggers - thanks for the effort folks but really, who cares?

 

[bee good]

Got a copy. Thought it was just about heartfelt honest opinions from long-term supporters - I don't have any problem with that. I too felt very downbeat after the Birmingham game .. it did look like the start of a slippery slope as the whole demeanour of the players was wrong in that game. Also I agree the level of communication from the club is pretty dire - it leaves a vacuum that gets filled with all the negative nonsense we've have over the last 10 months.

 

[Balders Bee]

"Treason" I wrote that could have put disloyal.I would never side with people outside this club taking the piss but then again I also write as I see it.

Don't think Treason or Disloyal are appropriate to be honest Bill and I don't think for one moment that the Hester's are siding with people outside the club taking the piss. They are as red and white as you and I and another thing whilst we're at it I would support your right as much as there right to write it as they see it and that is exactly what I'm doing.

 

[Bill Benn]

Don't think Treason or Disloyal are appropriate to be honest Bill and I don't think for one moment that the Hester's are siding with people outside the club taking the piss. They are as red and white as you and I and another thing whilst we're at it I would support your right as much as there right to write it as they see it and that is exactly what I'm doing.

My point was by quoting them to support their view was poor to say the least.I have known Rich and Nick for many years so I know how red and white they are although I hear Nick is going a bit pink .... Only rumours mind.

 

[RodBee]

Football is all about opinions and the current edition of TITS has certainly unearthed a few of those!

Always a good reasoned read even if not always 100% what we all agree with.

Looking forward to the next edition already - my only complaint is we had to wait so long into the season before this first one of the season.

 

[Bill Benn]

Hopefully the Hesters will buy me a drink for starting this thread,there again ....tight bastards will give me a tinny I expect.

 

[Banana]

Who gives a sh*t what they've written. I could produce a two page pamphlet and give it out at the ground summing up what I think or produce a daily blog or plaster my views all over Twitter or the GPG (oh I do that don't I!!!!!) but that doesn't make me any more or less important than the person who might say nothing. It's just one more opinion and if people want to be led by it, more fool them.

I'm hearing it's got some humdinging "errors" in it... as you say because it is written down people think it's accurate rather than some crazy guy's opinion.

 

[The Pipe]

We will all have different opinions and I guess if they write the Fanzine then they are fully entitled to air their views irrespective of whether others agree

This season has been strange, we had success last year way beyond our expectations and I guess that supporters anticipated that continuing. We all know how well Warbs did plus how good he is at PR so therefore when things went wrong it was natural to look back to last season and bemoan the changes

After far to many years watching the going on at Brentford I am totally chilled, confident we would be safe this season and surprised at some of the negativity from various long standing fans.

It does get my back up when some fans bemoan the way we are set up as a club and use it to justify our failures and then suggest we have changed tack now that we are having some success. Nothing has changed in how we do our business it's just different personnel this season

It would be strange indeed if we all agreed with everything that goes on however this season there is seemingly a negativity that looks to rejoice in failure to score points, " told you so" .

Would be far better if we put the past couple of months behind us and all started afresh, enjoy the upturn in our fortunes and look to progress

 

[maddogging]

Hate to disagree with you Benn - but I think Nick/Rich have produced a piece that sums up the feelings of many (I almost said most) true fans. For myself, I'm too long in the tooth to worry about winning or losing - to me, football is (or should be) a sport - and our club has lost that sportsmanship feel it always had. TITS has, I believe, dared voice the true feeling of the real fans who've been with the club through all the bad times - not the thousands who've jumped on the bandwagon once winning - and making a profit - were the ONLY things that mattered.

Who are you to decide who the real fans are, what a proper sh*t post

 

[maddogging]

Back to the fanzine. Good read I thought, the Hester's write it as they see it and they did include viewpoints contrary to their own as well. Don't quite see the 'Treason' cited in the first post on this thread but I'm sure others will.

And I think they should write how they feel, no problem with that. I didn't buy a copy as I have struggled with their negativity ever since a certain you know who left