Wimbledon 2008
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Mads Bee
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under 3'scould she actually hold a racket to much pressure for a youngster for me
lol Wooohooo.......
Indian Bee
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simply classic game
between the best two players that have I have ever seen play....that is a big statement to make I know, when Nadal has only won the french open...
Gazza Bee
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I said beforehand that it had the potential to be a classic and I have most definitely been proved right. The shot from Federer on matchpoint was unbelievable given the pressure and I cannot pick a winner.
Womble Bee
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Great match,bloody rain though.Oh well suppose I should get on with the decorating :sad:
Edmundo
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Really annoying that the rain has interrupted again. Not only is this match swinging one way and then the other, but some of the tennis has been out of this world. Impossible to pick a winner.
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Les Beeavinu
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A fantastic game but imo, some of the great players in my recent memory - McEnroe, Borg, Connors, Sampras - played tennis of an equal standard. Sampras was a different class at Wimbledon.
Edmundo
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I think Federer was pretty awesome too. Apparently the longest final ever and definitely some of the best tennis I have ever seen. Not sure how it compares with Borg/McEnroe - it was a different era, with small-headed wooden rackets, so tricky to draw a comparison - but today's match is definitely an all-time classic.
But Tim Henman is a sh*t commentator - we should have had John McEnroe!
But Tim Henman is a sh*t commentator - we should have had John McEnroe!
California Bee
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Best tennis match I've seen in many decades of watching. We had John McEnroe on NBC and I agree Ed, he is definitely the best in his job. What a fantastic match! I though both players were top class acts on the court and in the post-game interviews. Wimbledon is still the greatest tennis show on earth.
Markybee
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Think The Fed is a bit better than Sampras was, however good the American was. Connors is not fit to lace Rogers shoes
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Les Beeavinu
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Think The Fed is a bit better than Sampras was, however good the American was. Connors is not fit to lace Rogers shoes
Federer is a magician and as good as anyone, ever. I'm not so sure about Nadal - his game is about speed and power but he shows less of the touch that Federer, and McEnroe as example have shown.
The match today was made by two well matched players not giving an inch which turned it into an epic contest. However, in terms of classics, I do wonder whether we missed out on the passing shots, smashes, lobs and volleys that you might have seen in a Borg / McEnroe match. It's the style of the modern game and who's to say whether they could play at the same standard using those skills, but to me, a baseline slugfest is not a classic tennis match.
TW3Bee
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Wimbledon 2008
What a brilliant match, both players deserve a great deal of credit.
Federer for coming back from 2 sets down and facing Championship points, and then Nadal digging deap and finding something extra in the final set to finally come through.
Federer for coming back from 2 sets down and facing Championship points, and then Nadal digging deap and finding something extra in the final set to finally come through.
Edmundo
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In which case, why give him the final, FFS? He wouldn't make the grade on Bees World.
California Bee
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Not many of those who watched Nadal through this year's tournaments at Wimbledon, Paris, Melbourne and Queens would share that opinion about Nadal. True, he does have speed and he does have power but he also has touch and a rare ability to place the ball with amazing accuracy and to retrieve and return shots that would be winners against other players. Nadal does not have Federer's power serve but his passing shots and cross-shots are top class and he can produce winners from the most dire of situations on the court. Finally, his overhead game is flawless and he almost never misses a smash as John McEnroe was quick to point out today.
The style of the modern game has been strongly influenced by the new racquet and gut technologies which now enable players hit the sweet spot with greater frequency and to impart incredible spin and to curve their shots in a way that was not possible up to the early part of this century. Look at this Flexpoint description as an example:
Flexpoint racquets feature two precisely-engineered control holes in the racquet's head. This creates a new point of flex, which cups the ball and improves control without losing power. The patented HEAD Flexpoint technology breaks the rules of traditional racquet design by not making racquets stiffer, but by engineering them to flex in a new and revolutionary way.
With a conventional racquet, the ball strikes the racquet at 90 degrees, but due to the racquet flexing it leaves the racquet at a different angle. A Flexpoint racquet is designed to cup the ball by flexing at the Flexpoints. The cupping effect reduces the angle at which the ball leaves the strings and promotes more accurate hitting. Flexpoint technology increases the dwell time and ball pocketing due to its cupping effect which increases feel and provides a larger sweetspot.
California Bee
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Think The Fed is a bit better than Sampras was, however good the American was. Connors is not fit to lace Rogers shoes
One discussion I heard on local radio during Wimbledon suggested that, great though Federer is, one factor that has been in his favor in comparisons with Sampras is that his list of grand slam finalist opponents prior to meeting Nadal does not comprise many, if any, hall-of-fame players. Federer's oppnents have included Philppoussis, Roddick (3), Baghdatis, Gonzalez, Safin and Djokovic. By contrast they mentioned Sampras has having five finals against Agassi and facing Boris Becker, Jim Courier, Goran Ivanesevic and Patrick Rafter in others. The implication was that Federer's abilities were not tested to the same extent by his matches against more mediocre opposition in the current century when the traditional powers of tennis, Australia and the USA, have failed to produce the calibre of players they did in the past..
West Ealing Bee
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That list includes three Grand Slam champions, with at least five slams between them, and he has also beaten Nadal in at least two Wimbledon finals - I don't know if he has met him elsewhere.
It's not as poor a list as you make out, and Sampras' list might not have looked as good at the time as it does now.
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Brain-dead Bee
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I don't often watch matches all the way through as my interest tends to wane, but that was a classic. If it hadn't ended then, there would have been a difficult decision to take a few minutes later as the light got worse... don't think the crowd would have aprpeciated the players being taken off at 9.30 with the score 9-9 in the 5th
I can see Nadal winning a lot more majors in his career as he now seems to have a great all-round game
I can see Nadal winning a lot more majors in his career as he now seems to have a great all-round game
Markybee
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lol lol lol
Maybe Mac is more tied to American TV and they have first option. I thought Tim sounded like he had lost his voice a bit. Reckon He'll be very good in years to come, though Andrew Castle is excellent. Wish they could do away with Boris...his voice and hair are both too much
Markybee
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It was the mental strength of BOTH opponents that made yesterdays final so outstanding IMHO, as well as some of the best shots you will ever see.
Mind you the ladies final had (for the women) outstanding tennis too.
Those Williams girls should start each match love 15 down to give the others a chance!
Mind you the ladies final had (for the women) outstanding tennis too.
Those Williams girls should start each match love 15 down to give the others a chance!
Bigbee
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We were going to be back after 2pm so I decided to record it on Sky Plus.We started watching at 4pm and fast forwarded through the rain breaks,pausing for roast chicken at 6.30.I dont think we finished watching much after the final whistle in real time.Brilliant game as prommised.Nadal is an Aussie who went on holiday to Majorca at 6 years old and never went back home.
Edmundo
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Not sure that a one point head start will make much difference in a match that typically involves hundreds of points.Mind you the ladies final had (for the women) outstanding tennis too.
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Mind you the ladies final had (for the women) outstanding tennis too.
Personally I'd rather see them forced to play while wearing a burqa which should have a similar effect
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Wow what a match last night!! It must bee one of the best finals ever. I was watching it down the gym, and planned on just glancing at the screen from time to time to check the score. But it was gripping!! I couldnt leave untill the match was over!!
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California Bee
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I did not feel that the speaker was criticising Federer. He was simply introducing one factor in a comparison of two of the best players in tennis history. In fact the programme predicted that Federer would eventually be known as the best ever. That conclusion included the assumption that Federer would continue to win at Wimbledon and the US Open.
Sweepy
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You know what the BBC is like: he has a job for life there anyway if he wants it.
Regarding the match, it was said that modern rackets and the power serving were ruining the game, but these two put on the most impressive final of my lifetime to show we are entering a new glorious era for tennis. Brilliant stuff.
Indian Bee
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took tennis to another level...this is what sport is always about, yesterday was as good as it gets....
I think the summer so far has been awesome from Tiger winning the US open, Spain deservingly winning the Euros and the match y'day.
This rivalary between Nadal n Federer will only last another 2-3 more years, you need to consider both of their ages...lets enjoy it. I fully expect Federer to win the US open...
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Great match to watch but pleased that Nadal won. It means a new name on the trophy for a start.
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I enjoyed the game as a situation game, but I wasn't over impressed with some of the tennis played.
It's a bit like cricket, where the situation overrides the quality of the game.
I think that, in time, Federer will probably regret the strategy he employed.
It's a bit like cricket, where the situation overrides the quality of the game.
I think that, in time, Federer will probably regret the strategy he employed.
Edmundo
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We are talking about some of the finest tennis shots and rallies anyone has ever seen - which game were you watching?
California Bee
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Amen!
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I think you have been carried away with the event.
I saw a lot of rallies with players hitting half-court drives with little pace - just getting the ball back and making the opponent make an extra shot.
In the old days at Wimbledon, the top players would follow the first serve into the net, but you don't see that too much these days.
Also, a deep ground shot would be followed up to the net, but now they stay back no matter.
The courts have been slowed down and the balls seem to have less pressure in them, but that's the way the modern players seem to want it - you may recall some that some hard-court players would decline to enter at Wimbledon because of their dislike of the surface - can't have that, can we?
Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed the match, but just because it was a five set match between the world's two finest players, doesn't make it the greatest match ever, no matter how it's hyped by the Beeb.
By the way, Ed, this is an honestly held opinion, so please don't get unnecessarily sh*tty with me.
Argue your point in a civil and reasonable manner.
Who knows, we may enjoy a dialogue.
California Bee
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All I can say is that John McEnroe called it the greatest match he has ever seen and declared himself honored to be present at such an historic contest.
That reaction has been echoed over the US airwaves, on TV and in the newspapers across the country today. They weren't hyping one of their local heroes like Trabert, Seixas, Ashe, Connors, McEnroe, Courier, Sampras or Agassi but the Spaniard Nadal and the Swiss Federer were recognised as having produced the greatest match ever.
That reaction has been echoed over the US airwaves, on TV and in the newspapers across the country today. They weren't hyping one of their local heroes like Trabert, Seixas, Ashe, Connors, McEnroe, Courier, Sampras or Agassi but the Spaniard Nadal and the Swiss Federer were recognised as having produced the greatest match ever.
Les Beeavinu
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I think you have been carried away with the event.
I saw a lot of rallies with players hitting half-court drives with little pace - just getting the ball back and making the opponent make an extra shot.
In the old days at Wimbledon, the top players would follow the first serve into the net, but you don't see that too much these days.
Also, a deep ground shot would be followed up to the net, but now they stay back no matter.
The courts have been slowed down and the balls seem to have less pressure in them, but that's the way the modern players seem to want it - you may recall some that some hard-court players would decline to enter at Wimbledon because of their dislike of the surface - can't have that, can we?
Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed the match, but just because it was a five set match between the world's two finest players, doesn't make it the greatest match ever, no matter how it's hyped by the Beeb.
By the way, Ed, this is an honestly held opinion, so please don't get unnecessarily sh*tty with me.
Argue your point in a civil and reasonable manner.
Who knows, we may enjoy a dialogue.
I said similar earlier. To me, the finest tennis match ever seen has to have a greater variety of shots than we saw in the final. The telling moment for me is when the commentators remarked that Nadal's volley at the net in the very last game was his first point where he had followed his serve into the net - something that of course John McEnroe was the master at.
That doesn't take away from the excitement of the game and the quality on display.
Edmundo
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By the way, Ed, this is an honestly held opinion, so please don't get unnecessarily sh*tty with me.
Argue your point in a civil and reasonable manner.
Who knows, we may enjoy a dialogue.
I didn't get sh*tty at all with you? I expressed my surprise at what you wrote, using a fairly common expression that is not in the least uncivil or unreasonable. It may be your honestly held opinion, but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed honestly to hold and express a different one.I haven't said that it was the best match of all time, but certainly one of them. And I haven't said that every type of great tennis shot was played, but that some of the tennis shots were incredible and amongst the highest quality that has ever been seen.
That's my honestly held opinion and you can disagree with it if you like.
TW3Bee
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lol lol lol
Maybe Mac is more tied to American TV and they have first option. I thought Tim sounded like he had lost his voice a bit. Reckon He'll be very good in years to come, though Andrew Castle is excellent. Wish they could do away with Boris...his voice and hair are both too much
I'll second those comments.
It is Tim's first year so I think he did very well.