Winnie

Is Winnie Wickster or Rude Stylee?

  • Yes, Wicks, A credit to the Club, taught the Yanks everything they know about customer service!

    Votes: 17 29.3%
  • Not exactly, Could do with honing up a wee bit on her people skills!

    Votes: 41 70.7%

  • Total voters
    58
  • Poll closed .

Winnie

Beepositive said:
Pleased to see that this issue seems to have been resolved (Tracy always comes up trumps):sorted: but the main issue still remains..........Winnie:sad:

Some years back I had the opportunity to observe a little of what goes on in the Ticket Office/Reception from behind the counter (as well as from the position of the normal punter, buying tickets from across the other side).

As I see it, Winnie does know a considerable amount and can be helpful and efficient. When she can be arsed*.
Aside from that, her "default position" is rude and abrupt. Some people have made excuses for her behaviour, and perhaps their experience is different. However, having seen how others in the office manage under similar, sometimes trying conditions (short-staffed etc), I would point out that they generally seem to manage to be pleasant and courteous.
I guess it is just possible that she doesn't appreciate just how she is coming across - our "abruptness" is just her "efficiency". It is very likely that no-one at the club has addressed her on this topic.
Why does this continue? My guess is that this is due to a number of factors.
First, the people at Board or Senior Management probably aren't aware there is a problem - after all, they don't usually have to queue or phone for tickets like the rest of us. This may be exacerbated if Winnie is clever enough to keep her "friendly face" on for when she's dealing with them.
Second, the general turmoil and staff turnover that has existed in the upper ranks of the club for some years, has meant that even if aware she is a problem, the top guys are too busy "firefighting" (e.g. fundraising etc) to get round to "fire prevention" (i.e. staff supervision and training).
Third, if Winnie is rude, unpleasant and aggressive to us, this is because she knows she can get away with it. Therefore, it would be no surprise if she were also to be rude etc to some of her colleagues - even those immediately senior to her - so that they are frightened to challenge her. After all, she probably knows all the people at the very top, therefore mid-level people may consider her a dangerous enemy to cross.
Finally we, both as BFC fans AND as typically uncomplaining members of the Great British Public, are probably also to blame, since we put up with this woman without taking the trouble to make a proper complaint to the people that count. (On this last, I am as guilty as anyone).

Anyway, I'll leave you with one fairly recent anecdote. A friend of mine, who is the owner of a successfull local business, recently asked me if I knew anyone at Brentford called "Winnie". I replied "Yes, I know of her, why do you ask?" Basically, my friend had been touting for business from Brentford (not a cold call, I should add), and Winnie had answered the call. He couldn't believe how rude she was - and as a former Sales Manager, he's used to getting the brush-off!
Anyhow, nothing much came of it, other than: (a) he is now one more person who has a low opinion of the club, and may tell others; and (b) on this occasion my mate was "selling". Winnie isn't to know whether the next time he might not have been "buying" from the club. As a Chelsea Season Ticket Holder, he is interested in football (arguably!), and as a Businessman who both lives and works in the Borough, who knows whether a future Sponsor may have been turned away, to the benefit of e.g. his Tennis Club?


* - I reckon she "can be arsed" to be courteous, about as frequently as Halley's Comet can be arsed to orbit the earth...
 

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I joined a company and had to deal with a bloke over the phone almost every day who had been in the company since the dinosaur age and who was so bloody rude it was unreal. All the other staff used to say, how rude he was to them but nothing ever got done and when it was once too often, I complained and was told "He's got an illness ( not going to divulge it, but needless to say it was nothing to do with what came out of his mouth) you just have to put up with it" :nono:
Anyway, to cut a long story short, I progressed through the ranks at work and then became his immediate supervisor and the first thing I did was get him in the office and tell him that it was going to stop ...and his words were : You are the first person that has ever complained about me, I've been in the company over 20 years and no-one has ever said I was rude. I'm not rude, I'm just doing my job!:confused:

It turned out all the managers were scared of him, in all the years I had been there they had lost 12 staff because they had joined and had to work alongside him and ALL of them cited him as being a problem and they were unable to work with him. :eek:

Maybe the staff turnover is because of Winnie??? :fishing:
 

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Ealing Bee said:
Some years back I had the opportunity to observe a little of what goes on in the Ticket Office/Reception from behind the counter (as well as from the position of the normal punter, buying tickets from across the other side).

As I see it, Winnie does know a considerable amount and can be helpful and efficient. When she can be arsed*.
Aside from that, her "default position" is rude and abrupt. Some people have made excuses for her behaviour, and perhaps their experience is different. However, having seen how others in the office manage under similar, sometimes trying conditions (short-staffed etc), I would point out that they generally seem to manage to be pleasant and courteous.
I guess it is just possible that she doesn't appreciate just how she is coming across - our "abruptness" is just her "efficiency". It is very likely that no-one at the club has addressed her on this topic.
Why does this continue? My guess is that this is due to a number of factors.
First, the people at Board or Senior Management probably aren't aware there is a problem - after all, they don't usually have to queue or phone for tickets like the rest of us. This may be exacerbated if Winnie is clever enough to keep her "friendly face" on for when she's dealing with them.
Second, the general turmoil and staff turnover that has existed in the upper ranks of the club for some years, has meant that even if aware she is a problem, the top guys are too busy "firefighting" (e.g. fundraising etc) to get round to "fire prevention" (i.e. staff supervision and training).
Third, if Winnie is rude, unpleasant and aggressive to us, this is because she knows she can get away with it. Therefore, it would be no surprise if she were also to be rude etc to some of her colleagues - even those immediately senior to her - so that they are frightened to challenge her. After all, she probably knows all the people at the very top, therefore mid-level people may consider her a dangerous enemy to cross.
Finally we, both as BFC fans AND as typically uncomplaining members of the Great British Public, are probably also to blame, since we put up with this woman without taking the trouble to make a proper complaint to the people that count. (On this last, I am as guilty as anyone).

Anyway, I'll leave you with one fairly recent anecdote. A friend of mine, who is the owner of a successfull local business, recently asked me if I knew anyone at Brentford called "Winnie". I replied "Yes, I know of her, why do you ask?" Basically, my friend had been touting for business from Brentford (not a cold call, I should add), and Winnie had answered the call. He couldn't believe how rude she was - and as a former Sales Manager, he's used to getting the brush-off!
Anyhow, nothing much came of it, other than: (a) he is now one more person who has a low opinion of the club, and may tell others; and (b) on this occasion my mate was "selling". Winnie isn't to know whether the next time he might not have been "buying" from the club. As a Chelsea Season Ticket Holder, he is interested in football (arguably!), and as a Businessman who both lives and works in the Borough, who knows whether a future Sponsor may have been turned away, to the benefit of e.g. his Tennis Club?


* - I reckon she "can be arsed" to be courteous, about as frequently as Halley's Comet can be arsed to orbit the earth...

I agree with virtually everything you have said, however i have made complaints in the past to John McGlashan, Roy King and Keith Loring (i think!) as have others i know, nothing has been resolved. The problem IMHO remains that the overwhelming majority of people are 'shocked' when she is polite. Outside of the office (at various functions i have been too) she has been very pleasant and congenial i for one do not understand the trasformation
 

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Basically customers are ***** and they **** you off, so thats why she loses her rag with us.
 

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Claire said:
my dad said she was very helpful on the phone when he rung up to get tickets, even though she sounded very busy..

When Winnie gets the boot why don't you apply Claire?
 

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northantsbee said:
I agree with virtually everything you have said, however i have made complaints in the past to John McGlashan, Roy King and Keith Loring (i think!) as have others i know, nothing has been resolved. The problem IMHO remains that the overwhelming majority of people are 'shocked' when she is polite. Outside of the office (at various functions i have been too) she has been very pleasant and congenial i for one do not understand the trasformation

Oh no - the fact is, that there are indeed two Winnie's!!!!

;)
 

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Mads Bee said:
.............Maybe the staff turnover is because of Winnie??? :fishing:

So if we had sacked Winnie we could still have John Mac, Roy King, etc!!

I can only say that Winnie is always friendly and helpful on the 'phone and in person to me.

Overworked for sure, but you can only admire her for being one of the few 'indians' whilst the 'chiefs' continue to increase in numbers.
 

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jay1310 said:
Oh no - the fact is, that there are indeed two Winnie's!!!!

;)

That's great.
I always love to hear of the Bees being in a Winnie/Winnie situation.
 

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Rude Bees staff - Winnie again

Just rang up the club to (1) reenr my memebvrship and (2) try to but two tickets for Huddersfueld. I was treated by Winnie as if I had just murdered on of her closest and dearets. As if I had a cheek to ring up to try to give the club money!!

To be honest, I have had enough of this. How can the club go forward when one of its employees is so rude to supporters. If you want to buy a ticket has to involve some kind of ritual humiliation! The pathetic excuse she offered was that she was up to her eyes with Ghana-Togo.Hardly my problem.

Greg - come on please - emply some staff who are polite and who can cope!
 

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Even Greg was complaining how rude they were to one of his kids in the gpg interview
 

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Just rang up the club to (1) reenr my memebvrship and (2) try to but two tickets for Huddersfueld. I was treated by Winnie as if I had just murdered on of her closest and dearets. As if I had a cheek to ring up to try to give the club money!!

To be honest, I have had enough of this. How can the club go forward when one of its employees is so rude to supporters. If you want to buy a ticket has to involve some kind of ritual humiliation! The pathetic excuse she offered was that she was up to her eyes with Ghana-Togo.Hardly my problem.

Greg - come on please - emply some staff who are polite and who can cope!

had the same thing.........rang for tickets at the end of last season for col utd game away and she virtually cut me off, saying she had to get the post out........as if that was my fault !!!:nono:

she is a legend (the basil fawlty style of customer service) thoughlol lol
 

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Doug Ellis has left Villa after 750 years at the helm so you never know.
 

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Out of interest, how long has she been there?
 

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And the award for the fastest ever response to a question on the GPG goes too.............
 

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bloke i work with (orient fan) got her earlier, he was ringing up to get two tickets for the ghana v togo match tonight and winnie was rude to him. he didn't bother in the end and will just try to pay on the gate. if i spoke to anyone on the phone rudely once i'd be sacked from my job. :brow:
 

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Out of interest, how long has she been there?

She was there when I started working at BFC in 1993, and she had been there for a long time at that stage. She used to frighten the living sh*te out of me, but that's the nature of the beast. She gets the job done, but the means are the problem.
 

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I always feel more like a naughty schoolboy rather than a customer,however my tickets have always arrived promptly and will prefer that to the opposite.
 

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bloke i work with (orient fan) got her earlier, he was ringing up to get two tickets for the ghana v togo match tonight and winnie was rude to him. he didn't bother in the end and will just try to pay on the gate. if i spoke to anyone on the phone rudely once i'd be sacked from my job. :brow:

You would at least get some form of warning i agree mate. I bet at Brentford there is no such system of verbal warning, written warning etc even in place!
 

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I live in Great Yarmouth and rang Winnie to ask if my season ticket could be posted to my son in Fetcham, Surrey so that when I cannot attend he can use it for a friend. Quite abrupt, said she would see what she could do - the season ticket came to Great Yarmouth !!
 

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I live in Great Yarmouth and rang Winnie to ask if my season ticket could be posted to my son in Fetcham, Surrey so that when I cannot attend he can use it for a friend. Quite abrupt, said she would see what she could do - the season ticket came to Great Yarmouth !!


..........obviously thought your son could fetcham from you himself......
 

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Winnie was in good spirits last night....she actually said to me she had known me since I was 7 last night and that I had been coming down here ages...which made me wonder why she has never acknowledged me in the proceeding 18 years even though many a time I have bought and collected tickets in person and over the phone from her.
 

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Winnie was in good spirits last night....she actually said to me she had known me since I was 7 last night and that I had been coming down here ages...which made me wonder why she has never acknowledged me in the proceeding 18 years even though many a time I have bought and collected tickets in person and over the phone from her.

rofl
 

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Blimey for one minute I thought she had been appointed manager when this thread popped up.:)
 

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Not strictly Bees news but seems the best place for this story...

Just called Surrey Cricket Club to order some Twenty20 tickets in the summer. Beware Kim in their ticket office who offers a level of customer service in line with what we've come to expect from our 'beloved' Winnie. :rolleyes:
 
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