Staying at Current Club Yoane Wissa

[Gazza Bee]

You can “wow” as much you like. But we can’t defend and haven’t been able to for 18 months. So let’s sell the only certainty to get into double figures goalscoring-wise. Toney probably (almost certainly) won’t be here. Thiago won’t be around until next year. Mbeumo will work like a trojan and get his customary 8-10 goals. And neither Schade nor Lewis-Potter have shown any of us they can perform at this level, let alone score the necessary number of goals.

So let’s sell Wissa, eh?

I don't think anyone is advocating to sell both but if nobody bids for Toney then what do we do if there is a substantial offer for Wissa?

 

[mhead bee]

You can “wow” as much you like. But we can’t defend and haven’t been able to for 18 months. So let’s sell the only certainty to get into double figures goalscoring-wise. Toney probably (almost certainly) won’t be here. Thiago won’t be around until next year. Mbeumo will work like a trojan and get his customary 8-10 goals. And neither Schade nor Lewis-Potter have shown any of us they can perform at this level, let alone score the necessary number of goals.

So let’s sell Wissa, eh?

He gets 9 a season, if we can get good money sell him, we have just bought better,

 

[Gazza Bee]

He gets 9 a season, if we can get good money sell him, we have just bought better,

Carvalho is not a striker..he plays in the 10 behind or right side of a 3

 

[LingfieldBee]

He gets 9 a season, if we can get good money sell him, we have just bought better,

And just how hard has it been finding and finalising a player of higher quality on the wing. Pointless to sell if we didn't know 100% for sure by end of window we'd have a better quality player in the door.

Injuries last season left us very short.

 

[80s Bee]

Carvalho is not a striker..he plays in the 10 behind or right side of a 3

He played pre season for Liverpool on the left of the front 3.

 

[ChertseyBee]

He gets 9 a season, if we can get good money sell him, we have just bought better,

Have we? I'll wait until I see with my own eyes before commenting

 

[Gazza Bee]

He played pre season for Liverpool on the left of the front 3.

Ok that is not his normal position having seen him for Fulham and Hull - even so he doesn't play as a striker so cannot compare to Wissa who does and will if Toney goes

 

[80s Bee]

Ok that is not his normal position having seen him for Fulham and Hull - even so he doesn't play as a striker so cannot compare to Wissa who does and will if Toney goes

Yes if Wissa goes we will need another option for CF I think.

 

[mundee4england]

Whilst we could be tempted to cash in on Yoane I don’t think the timing quite works. With Igor out and the situation with Ivan uncertain the comfort i have is that Yoane playing through the middle for 5 months will get 8 - 10 goals. If we sold him and Ivan did move on (assuming this isn’t an either/or situation) I think we would struggle to replace those goals with any certainty with the money we would likely get… and I suspect we wouldn’t get as much as some are suggesting.

 

[claphambee]

We’d miss him hugely if he left. His mins per goal ratio when played through the middle are very good - easily missed when he’s played so much out wide. Fact is when he plays through the middle, he scores goals. In the Premier League. That’s worth ALOT.

…and given both our striking options in that position are either injured or want out (and we havnt got our backup in Maupay), unless we have a replacement lined up or Toney is staying, this transfer would be absolute madness imo

 

[mhead bee]

Carvalho is not a striker..he plays in the 10 behind or right side of a 3

Left/right side of a three, the same position Wissa has played in 90% of his games more or less. We have Shade and Potter who can do that to.

I doubt there is much in this but would be more concerned if CN, MJ, EP or BM were in the news to be honest.

 

[mhead bee]

Have we? I'll wait until I see with my own eyes before commenting

Trust the process, it got us this far.

 

[Jago16]

I feel like Wissa is starting to come good and it would be a bit of a shame to say goodbye now

 

[mhead bee]

And just how hard has it been finding and finalising a player of higher quality on the wing.

Not very I would say,. Potter and Shade have been here for 2 years now, its their time.

 

[A Real Mysteron]

I would be really pissed off if he goes.
He’s like a breath of fresh air

 

[coconino]

Productive on the pitch and entertaining with it, and seems like an all-round lovely fella. I’d hate to see him leave, but that’s football.

 

[davewfilms]

Too difficult to split transfer talk from his main thread tbh.

Ok thanks for explanation ?

 

[Kingston Bee]

Has an offer been made or have I missed something?

 

[Lush55]

Sell Wissa for 30million bring back Neil for next to nothing.
All these stats about goals, Neil got six in half a season , being quoted that Wissa may get 10-15, so who says Neil wont?.......Anyway just saying !!
Be all the same if Wissa got injured......oh no what we going to do then?!!!

 

[hairman]

He got 12 last season and didn't start all the games he scored in. His stats back my claim that he is good for 10-15 goals.

Exactly.

 

[Hampshire Bee 2018]

No to this. Looked really good towards the back end of last season and in pre season.

 

[North London Bee]

Always good to sell at the top of the market. If and a big if he can be replaced.

 

[AB]

It does not matter what we paid for them, it's about maximising profit without damaging the club. That means selling Toney this summer, not Wissa or Mbuemo.

Pretty sure everyone knows that. But if there’s no buyer for Toney and we decide there’s value in keeping him and letting him see out his contract while making a profit on Yoane that’s not damaging the club is it?

 

[Banana]

View: https://x.com/RyanTaylorSport/status/1823779987540816166

 

[BEEB4]

Always good to sell at the top of the market. If and a big if he can be replaced.

It will be a shame if he goes,never gets injured, he has improved each season in the prem, this could be his year he shows what was seen in him, and going to wolves won't be a forward move

 

[BeesManMax]

We’ve just paid 27mil for Carvalho who has no experience in the league. If he scored 12 goals next season we’d expect him to be worth more than the 27 we’ve paid for him. I understand he’s younger than Wissa but Wissa is far more proven. I wouldn’t be selling him for less than 40mil

 

[Hippobee]

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This will go to the final hours of the window. If Toney is confirmed staying by then, there could well be a deal to be done if another £5-10m is added to that.

Hope he stays, but if there will be no Toney incoming money, it's unrealistic to think we are immune from cashing in if the club think it's worth it

 

[BuzzingBee95]

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Feel very conflicted. I also wonder how Ivan would feel still waiting for his move.

I just think he could have such a great season. I know we had injuries, but things like that overhead kick, scoring both a sublime and a poacher goal v Luton. Top scorer.

If he does go, I would expect us to go back into the striker market this window.

 

[hardybee]

Would be gutted to see him go

 

[ChrisSmith1992]

I’m in the unpopular camp here and expecting a few thumbs down emotes, but I’d be selling him for that

 

[hardybee]

Sell Wissa for 30million bring back Neil for next to nothing.
All these stats about goals, Neil got six in half a season , being quoted that Wissa may get 10-15, so who says Neil wont?.......Anyway just saying !!
Be all the same if Wissa got injured......oh no what we going to do then?!!!

That would be a massive down grade. Wissa offers so much more to the team than Neal. I understand you might want to sell Wissa but we would need to replace him with better than Neal. I think you would struggle to get better than Wissa for £25m which is the fee being reported.

 

[North Northants Bee]

I think if we could get near £30mio for a player who wouldn’t be in the first choice starting 11 when people are fit then unfortunately we have to remove the sentiment from it. I love his character and personality but the guy deserves to be a regular starter somewhere. It’s how we operate and the fundamental thing behind our model. I also have complete faith in the judgement by TF and all of a players ceiling after being with us for a few years.

 

[Ioweddie]

Not enough we paid them 25 for collins...35 plus add ons providing toney stays

 

[damsgard.szn]

View: https://x.com/RyanTaylorSport/status/1823779987540816166

that’s a genuinely decent first bid, obviously rejecting but if that’s the starting bid then we can look at 30-35

 

[unBEEliveable]

View: https://x.com/RyanTaylorSport/status/1823779987540816166

Well if that’s true I expect us to say no and wait for them to up their offer. Not that I am at all encouraging us to sell him!

 

[hardybee]

I think if we could get near £30mio for a player who wouldn’t be in the first choice starting 11 when people are fit then unfortunately we have to remove the sentiment from it. I love his character and personality but the guy deserves to be a regular starter somewhere. It’s how we operate and the fundamental thing behind our model. I also have complete faith in the judgement by TF and all of a players ceiling after being with us for a few years.

If we play a front 3, he starts every week for me. He is currently better than Schade.

 

[readingbee]

Sincerely hope this doesn’t happen. Our £30 million striker out till Xmas maybe, Toney quite possibly off. Who is going to play through the middle and score the goals we need. We’ve just been through a season with an injury hit squad, I can’t believe we would weaken the team UNLESS they have another player lined up to take his place who’s better. Just hope this is all the usual click bait crap.

 

[Mattingly Bee]

Wissa is a top forward. He has been second choice or subbed too many times when IMHO it wasn’t justified. He’s a real team player and very popular with fans and players alike. I would hate to see him leave but equally would understand if he wanted to move on.

Edit: I remember when Andrew Cole was sold to United. Geordies were apoplectic with rage. Newcastle then signed Shearer and all was forgiven. I wonder if PG has a similar marquee replacement lined up.

 

[Simon W]

Calvert-Lewin would be a better fit for Wolves ???

 

[Scratchy]

I don't think we should be selling Wissa for anything less than £30m. Finding a replacement for him in the squad would probably prove to be difficult at this time so I wouldn't be keen for him to depart.

 

[ChertseyBee]

Crazy, absolutely crazy.

Oh well, there’s always Peart-Harris I suppose.

 

[ChertseyBee]

I don't think we should be selling Wissa for anything less than £30m. Finding a replacement for him in the squad would probably prove to be difficult at this time so I wouldn't be keen for him to depart.

Understatement of the year.

 

[BeeInSW19]

Sadly, I think Wiss will be gone ?

 

[brentfordfc4ever]

Crazy, absolutely crazy.

Oh well, there’s always Peart-Harris I suppose.

If you're not joking, you sound like a spoilt child.

 

[Banana]

So they haven't offered that. So no need to get very excited/worried just now.

 

[ruislip bee]

I really rate Wiss. I was hoping to see him, Bryan and Kev rip defences to shreds with Ivan sold for £60m+. It's all going a bit pear shaped!

 

[BuzzingBee95]

I think if we could get near £30mio for a player who wouldn’t be in the first choice starting 11 when people are fit then unfortunately we have to remove the sentiment from it. I love his character and personality but the guy deserves to be a regular starter somewhere. It’s how we operate and the fundamental thing behind our model. I also have complete faith in the judgement by TF and all of a players ceiling after being with us for a few years.

Although there’s defo sentiment involved. It’s more than that…

Say we accept. Wissa goes. Leaves us with one forward who may not be here in 2 weeks and another out till end of year. People will say what about Kev? he’s gonna be great, but that evolution to out and out Prem scorer still in its infancy.

So, we’d buy another. Well, they’d need to be raring to go and strikers are expensive. Probably looking at no less than 10-15m. More if they’re based in Britain. Question is profit at what price?

 

[North Northants Bee]

If we play a front 3, he starts every week for me. He is currently better than Schade.

Not on the left wing, he can only really effective playing as a CF. I believe that Schade’s ceiling is much higher, yes he needs to improve but he needs games to do that. Wissa will not be 1st choice in the medium/long term and what would be his reaction if he doesn’t get the move? Again I’m not saying what will happen but if we did agree to sell him for a decent price then I won’t call for heads to roll.

 

[North Northants Bee]

Although there’s defo sentiment involved. It’s more than that…

Say we accept. Wissa goes. Leaves us with one forward who may not be here in 2 weeks and another out till end of year. People will say what about Kev? he’s gonna be great, but that evolution to out and out Prem scorer still in its infancy.

So, we’d buy another. Well, they’d need to be raring to go and strikers are expensive. Probably looking at no less than 10-15m. More if they’re based in Britain. Question is profit at what price?

We don’t know what formation we will be playing yet or where the plan is to play Fabio. If we keep Toney then we have Igor and I also think we will end up playing Schade down the middle. Wissa has never been effective playing out wide, he is a natural CF.

 

[BuzzingBee95]

We don’t know what formation we will be playing yet or where the plan is to play Fabio. If we keep Toney then we have Igor and I also think we will end up playing Schade down the middle. Wissa has never been effective playing out wide, he is a natural CF.

You’re right that we can’t be sure about formation. But having read quite a bit about Fabio wanting to play no.10 and TF mentioning 4231 approach upon signing, one could infer it’s a strong possibility.

On Yoane. He have Igor and in a way we don’t. Effectively missed a lot of pre-season and will be few months behind rest of the team. Have to be prepared that he may not adapt as quickly as we need. Ivan might go and even if he doesn’t, might there be resentment that Yo is going?

It opens up a few uncertainties and risk when that’s last thing we need