Another Manager Poll

[jlove]

Wasn't that Abraham Lincoln ?

“I’ll let you be in my dreams if I can be in yours”. Bob Dylan said that...

 

[Kingston Bee]

Quite why people are voting for NF is beyond me. As a new manager he will be learning his trade over at least 3 or 4 years. That means that the quality of football and results will vary throughout the years before he becomes the finished article. This may be a good way to go as Alex Ferguson proves. However, both the club and many of the supporters have already shown that they will not put up with such a situation with AS.

Other choices are very optimistic and forget the fact that we have very large debts and almost no chance of moving to a new stadium in the next 10 years. We need an manager with some experience and who can produce a decent team on a tight budget. For me MA fits the bill perfectly. Although some of you moan about the style of play when he was manager, he did take over a poor team and at a time when the playing budget was slashed. He made the most of what we had. And towards the end of his stay there was some excellent football played. The second leg (or was it a replay?) At GP against Southampton saw some great passing football and we were very unlucky not to win.

Release the dog...

Quite simple, the reason that Forster has attracted votes is on the back of 4 results. I am not saying he has not done well but put into some perspective the 2 home wins were against very ordinary opposition. Supporters get carried away too easily. What I would like to have is a poll after Forster has lost 2 or 3. I do feel however that if we could create a situation whereby he is working and more importantly learning alongside a more experienced manager, it would be a win win.

 

[Alton_Bee]

Honestly would like Hughton with Forster as assistant. I know a lot are saying CH is unrealistic - but he left Newcastle over 2 months ago and has only really been linked with WBA. I am wondering how long is it going to be before he needs a new job otherwise he will be a forgotten man ??

Why not have him as manager and Forster learning from him.. Then in summer 2012 when CH is "brought" by Spurs, Forster will be ready to take over on a full time basis ??

Another question for those who think Forster needs to learn from an experienced manager - how long do you think he will need to learn ? and how long after that will he stay as assistant without going elsewhere as a manager ??

I voted for Deano as think if only he had been more patient he would of not had to bother with the sh*te and now be the Brentford manager... - Maybe we could unsettle the sh*te by saying we want him ....

 

[NorthamptonBee]

"She was lying on her back with her lips parted, squealing like a stuffed pig" was either Aled Jones or Matt Johnson of The The fame.

 

[wayfarer172]

As you know this stuff, who came out with a "I'm sick of it.." rant? Was that Tommy Trinder?

Didn't Tommy Trinder say ''You lucky People''?

I know he was a Fulham **** but never the less he was a funny Fulham ****.

 

[wayfarer172]

"She was lying on her back with her lips parted, squealing like a stuffed pig" was either Aled Jones or Matt Johnson of The The fame.

Talking of pigs NB,I only found out yesterday that a pigs' orgasm lasts about half an hour. My ex misses used to call me a pig,but I knew she was lying cos I never lasted long.

 

[jlove]

,I only found out yesterday that a pigs' orgasm lasts about half an hour.

I'd keep quiet about that if I were you!!!

 

[walmerbee]

I agree with Kingston Bee... Nicky is doing a great job, which is hopefully not a 'dead cat' bounce. He has no experience and as KB say, how will he react to a couple of defeats. Martin Allen has agreat personality, will bring the club to the attention of the press and the 'supporters' who only come along when things are looking good. Remember that Andy was always complaining that the club wasn't recognised, well that was down to him, nobody likes a the constant complaning. How about Martin Allen as director fo football and Nicky as manager, or would that be destined for dissaster as Martin would want to run the show?

 

[WisBee]

No he said " I have a dream ............. " I think he went on to star In Joseph in the West End ?

............................wasn't that Martin Luther King (who said "I have a dream" - not who went on to star in Joseph)?.......................









or was it Benni Anderssen(sp?) of ABBA fame??

 

[SmiffyBee]

“I’ll let you be in my dreams if I can be in yours”. Bob Dylan said that...

You only live twice...
One life for yourself and one for your dreams

John Bostock

 

[Inappropriate Smilies Bee]

voted for COPPELL but will accept ALLEN if COPPELL insists he is retired.

:box:

 

[SmiffyBee]

Paul Buckle, Gary Waddock and Chris Wilder are three managers, currently in employment that the club may have approached...

Paul Trollope the ex-Rovers manager is currently unemployed, but seems to have had his best success alongside Lennie Lawrence.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Paul Buckle, Gary Waddock and Chris Wilder are three managers, currently in employment that the club may have approached...

Paul Trollope the ex-Rovers manager is currently unemployed, but seems to have had his best success alongside Lennie Lawrence.

If this is the level of our ambition, then I hope that Forster gets the gig. I hope though that it's not.

 

[SmiffyBee]

If this is the level of our ambition, then I hope that Forster gets the gig. I hope though that it's not.

I can't see anyone in employment above us, that would realistically leave their club to join Brentford.

I think the Butcher experience will haunt the board, and negate any "marquee" manager signing.

Chris Hughton would excite me, I can't think of anyone else who would....so maybe Forster till the end of the season and then re-cast the net

 

[King Bee]

As I've maintained right from the beginning, Coppell as DoF and Hughton as head coach with Nicky (player coach) and Warburton helping out too. This would really mark out our card as a progressive football club.

 

[King Bee]

actually quite surprised that Curbishley hasn't been more vociferously linked to the job...has he fallen off most people's radar screens?

 

[Downbeat Bee]

Quite why people are voting for NF is beyond me. As a new manager he will be learning his trade over at least 3 or 4 years. That means that the quality of football and results will vary throughout the years before he becomes the finished article. This may be a good way to go as Alex Ferguson proves. However, both the club and many of the supporters have already shown that they will not put up with such a situation with AS.

Other choices are very optimistic and forget the fact that we have very large debts and almost no chance of moving to a new stadium in the next 10 years. We need an manager with some experience and who can produce a decent team on a tight budget. For me MA fits the bill perfectly. Although some of you moan about the style of play when he was manager, he did take over a poor team and at a time when the playing budget was slashed. He made the most of what we had. And towards the end of his stay there was some excellent football played. The second leg (or was it a replay?) At GP against Southampton saw some great passing football and we were very unlucky not to win.

Release the dog...

I remember a lot of the football towards the end of his stay being fairly dire with goals conceded in the last few minutes

 

[Kingston Bee]

actually quite surprised that Curbishley hasn't been more vociferously linked to the job...has he fallen off most people's radar screens?

Well he has been several years in the wilderness, lost touch who knows. Also why has no-one else wanted him?

 

[The Pipe]

I agree with Kingston Bee... Nicky is doing a great job, which is hopefully not a 'dead cat' bounce. He has no experience and as KB say, how will he react to a couple of defeats. Martin Allen has agreat personality, will bring the club to the attention of the press and the 'supporters' who only come along when things are looking good. Remember that Andy was always complaining that the club wasn't recognised, well that was down to him, nobody likes a the constant complaning. How about Martin Allen as director fo football and Nicky as manager, or would that be destined for dissaster as Martin would want to run the show?

Loved having Martin as manager as he made us supporters feel fully involved he raised our profile big time and lets not forget he brought in a fair amount of dosh with transfer fees. Also as a person he is great fun.

However I have to say that of all the possible scenarios this is one that would in my opinion be the worst of all worlds. Martin and Nickety are 2 opposites and whilst that might be a basis for success i cannot envisage any way that Martin would leave things in teh hands of Forster as he would want day to day involvement.

Whether it would work with Forster as number 2 to Martin is a different question, I am sure Forster is able to stand up to Martin and it may just be that an attraction of opposites might work........either way it is a big gamble with the real possibility of tears before bed time!!!!i

 

[jlove]

Would a last-minute goal by a centre back have been scored under Allen? I'd prefer a manager to take us forward; we can always employ Max Clifford an hour a week for the rest.

 

[Inappropriate Smilies Bee]

VOTE NF FOR A BRIGHTER BRENTFORD :afro:

 

[Paulo Bee]

I'd say there is little to no chance of it being either Coppell or Allen. As has been said so many times before, Coppell is retired and wouldn't come out of retirement even when Palace came calling - not even in a 'director of football' position. He's not interested anymore, move on. And I doubt very much as to whether Allen matches the criteria the board are looking for. He's the past and in my opinion, it would be a backwards step for him to even be considered for the role this time around. As far as I'm concerned, there's no chance of either becoming Brentford manager anytime soon.

The thing you have to say about Johnson is that although a lot of us were clambering for him to be offered the job as soon as Scott was sacked, it's been weeks and you have to think if we wanted him, we'd have got him by now. He's certainly very keen, as he told the Chronny. But I think bringing him in now would be a bit of an anti-climax. He seems to be something of a safety net if we miss out on more high profile names, I'd guess. That said, he certainly has a proven track record and I still wouldn't be against his appointment. I think we can do better though, to be honest. As somebody said in the other thread, people want to come to us now, rather than us pinning our hopes on them wanting us. In the past, we'd have had Johnson in the next day.

Hughton is a name I'm sure the board are considering but chances are he wouldn't want to come to us. He's hot property, a wanted man. He will get a job in the top two divisions sooner rather than later. I don't think we can compete.

Same goes for Di Matteo. I think his success at West Brom will mean he commands a higher profile job than us but there's always a chance he'll feel he has unfinished business in this league and our club has very serious ambitions of getting into the Championship. May appeal to him but most likely not. As with Hughton, worth sounding him out. Worst that can happen is he ain't interested.

Another ambitious option would be Curbishley. I have a good feeling about him actually. Mills mentioned before the Plymouth game that one of the applicants came from somebody he hadn't spoken to in five years - Curbishley left Charlton five years ago. Why make reference to something seemingly so specific (similarly how he hinted Allen was 'interested')? Although Curbishley could get a job in a higher division, he may well be interested in us as a new 'project', much like Charlton was all those years ago. Of the three 'high profile' names in Di Matteo, Hughton and Curbishley, I reckon we have a much higher chance of getting Curbishley interested, or at least willing to have a chat with Mills about the job. His working relationship with Mills could work out pretty well for us. That said, he might laugh in our face and tell us to do one.

We know Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink is interested but can't see him getting the gig. Too much of a gamble. Sousa's been mentioned in another thread and is looking to get back into management, I reckon he'd see us as a good oppurtunity. Again, wouldn't want him. Negative football and supposedly poor man management. Jim Magilton... would be thoroughly uninspiring, not much better than what we had before. What about Zola? Could be the next Poyet? Other names that could be decent are Tisdale and Hill. Oh and Buckle but again, don't know if he'd be an upgrade on Scott.

And of course Nicky Forster has to be considered now. He's really got us playing and has good football principals. Not sure he's ready just yet and would hate for it all to go tits up for him. I'd love to see him in an assistant manager/coaching role whilst continuing with his playing. Don't want to lose his management skills to another club so would love him to be groomed here at GP, a la McCoist at Rangers. Though if he keeps doing what he's doing, who am I to question whether he's ready or not...

So I'd say a poll featuring; Buckle, Curbishley, Di Matteo, Forster, Hasselbaink, Hill, Hughton, Johnson, Magilton, Sousa, Tisdale, Zola. A good combination of ambitious names (but perhaps unrealistic) and names that are/may well be interested. All that said, I think the role could well go to someone that hasn't even been mentioned on here yet. I will be 100% behind whoever the board eventually go with.

Good post but you used up my whole luch hour...

 

[Paulo Bee]

As I've maintained right from the beginning, Coppell as DoF and Hughton as head coach with Nicky (player coach) and Warburton helping out too. This would really mark out our card as a progressive football club.

We would need bigger dug-outs... Too many people do the same jobs!

 

[Bigbee]

............................wasn't that Martin Luther King (who said "I have a dream" - not who went on to star in Joseph)?.......................


Nope .it was Martin Luther Vandross Blissett who had a dream of singing and of playing for Watford and ended up at AC Milan after John Barnes scored for England






o

 

[Bigbee]

Good post but you used up my whole luch hour...

I only get 1/2 hr what did he say ?

 

[King Bee]

We would need bigger dug-outs... Too many people do the same jobs!

Coppell would sit in the director's box, the DoF wouldn't have a pitch side role

 

[Markybee]

Sean O'Driscoll would be a man I like to see considered if we don't appoint Nicky. Obviously he's in employment but results havent been great of late since he was linked with Burnley job. A new challenge for him might appeal.

 

[tinman]

I see Peter Taylor is leaving Bradford after Saturdays game against Stockport. Not my choice, but he does have a good record of getting clubs promoted

 

[Markybee]

I see Peter Taylor is leaving Bradford after Saturdays game against Stockport. Not my choice, but he does have a good record of getting clubs promoted

Please God No!

 

[NorthamptonBee]

I see Peter Taylor is leaving Bradford after Saturdays game against Stockport. Not my choice, but he does have a good record of getting clubs promoted

If MB & co are looking for a nasty little man who gets teams relegated and often known for making the worst signings ever within clubs then I agree he could be the chap we seek. Bradford's gain could really be our little loss.

 

[Chopper]

Out of that list my choice would be Di Matteo but I dont think he would come here, Curbishley could though been out of a job for a while and could look for a challenge but also with funds to help him. MA I would love to see back but dont think the board would consider appointing him so being realistic I would still go for Johnson but there must be someone more high profile they are looking at appointing otherwise they would have appointed Johnson straight away but atm I am not to bothered about a new manager it is enjoyable going to Brentford again.

 

[detours]

Forster to the end of the season...

Then Coppell or dare I dream Hughton (not that he will want to manage us)

 

[Ambrose_1889]

I haven't yet voted but obviously Di Matteo, Curbishley and Hughton are the stand-out candidates from that list. Whether we can get them or not is a different kettle of fish. Looking past them, Keith Hill would be my choice. Think his footballing ethos would fit in well here and could work together with Forster as assistant/coach. If we really wanted Hill and went after him, I reckon we could get him.

I don't see why the DoF with Forster as 'head coach' presumably is winning. I don't believe in this European idea that you can have two people trying to do the same job. We need one man in charge and that's it. It has never worked in this country, perhaps Tisdale/Perryman is an exception but I don't fully understand their working relationship. I think Tisdale has the final say and getting someone like Coppell in as DoF, he ain't gonna like his opinion coming second. Shouldn't be considered in my opinion.

 

[Grumpy old man]

Sheff United!
Let's turn this around and unsettle theirmanager, see how they like it.

Not bloody likely we may get him

 

[eaglebee]

As results have picked up, so NF seems to have picked up more votes as well, that follows naturally, but lets not get carried away, we need a proven manager to take us forward, in saying that, I believe that NF appears to have the attributes to be a Manager in time to come, and who ever we choose as our new manager I feel some coaching/tactical role could be created for NF as well, AS at least had some team coaching experience with Orient Reserves, this is NF first time into coaching, what we don't want 3 years down the line is the same senario with NF as we have had with AS, it would not be fair on him, and we would be back to square one again, we are lookin at a long term future, not the same old, same old every 3 years.

Who they are going to choose nobody knows, there are so many if's and butt's, and they must get it spot on, it's all very well us supporters trying to choose who we want, but it does not work like that, SC is now retired from football, that's a well documented fact, more's the pity, MA that would be a extreme backward step, CH is destined for a bigger Club, the sames R de M and PS, that does not leave much out there in the way of PROVEN experience except AC & GJ, and I know who I would choose out of the two.

I would rather continue the way things are at the moment with NF, and the Board taking their time appointing the RIGHT man for the long term future, as it stands we are looking safer and safer each week, so time doe's not appear to be a problem, at least we have Wembley to look forward to.

In other words "Don't panic Mr Mainwaring"

 

[blunstone]

As results have picked up, so NF seems to have picked up more votes as well, that follows naturally, but lets not get carried away, we need a proven manager to take us forward, in saying that, I believe that NF appears to have the attributes to be a Manager in time to come, and who ever we choose as our new manager I feel some coaching/tactical role could be created for NF as well, AS at least had some team coaching experience with Orient Reserves, this is NF first time into coaching, what we don't want 3 years down the line is the same senario with NF as we have had with AS, it would not be fair on him, and we would be back to square one again, we are lookin at a long term future, not the same old, same old every 3 years.

Who they are going to choose nobody knows, there are so many if's and butt's, and they must get it spot on, it's all very well us supporters trying to choose who we want, but it does not work like that, SC is now retired from football, that's a well documented fact, more's the pity, MA that would be a extreme backward step, CH is destined for a bigger Club, the sames R de M and PS, that does not leave much out there in the way of PROVEN experience except AC & GJ, and I know who I would choose out of the two.

I would rather continue the way things are at the moment with NF, and the Board taking their time appointing the RIGHT man for the long term future, as it stands we are looking safer and safer each week, so time doe's not appear to be a problem, at least we have Wembley to look forward to.

In other words "Don't panic Mr Mainwaring"

why should nicky wait and give it his all to be turned down? maybe someone else will be brave and come in for him?

also, lots of proven managers with decent track records have failed in susequent jobs - mickey adams, terry butcher and martin allen being just three obvious examples.

if the man is right, the time is right. be brave captain mainwaring, be brave.

but, of course, captain mainwaring wasn't a brave soldier just a pompous little bank manager - even though a great tv series!

 

[JTofBFC]

Seems I may be alone in this but I would actually be worried if we went for Curbishley. He has been out of management for a long time now and it isn't necessarily an easy thing to pick up where you left off.

 

[sonofabee]

Let's just let the process proceed and if NF strengthens his case by winning throughout the selection great but if he loses the next 3 trust he won't be ready for the just yet!

So far Forster has done a splendid job, the team try to play football, the end product has by and large been better as have the results.........but it's been 4 league games do let's not carried away. Sone imply he's a worldly wise experienced manager who has to get the job now, why FFS. The season is 46 games and we want a manager capable of delivering on what is now a 4 year plan, is it fair to rush a decision because the babysitter hasn't mucked up yet?

For thd record I'd love him to be involved as intelligent, articulate and a football man who appears to relate to both players and fans but just doubt whether he's ready to be the main man now.

 

[eaglebee]

if the man is right, the time is right. be brave captain mainwaring, be brave.

AS was the right appointment, at the right time, then it all went tit's up after 3 years, that's the senario we don't want to keep repeating every 3 years, we all want a longer run than that, lets hope the Board recognise this and take their time in selecting the right man.

But will agree with you on the TV series, it's still great to watch even now.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

but atm I am not to bothered about a new manager it is enjoyable going to Brentford again.

Wise words and sums up how everyone I know is currently feeling.

 

[marlowbee]

Quite why people are voting for NF is beyond me. As a new manager he will be learning his trade over at least 3 or 4 years. That means that the quality of football and results will vary throughout the years before he becomes the finished article. This may be a good way to go as Alex Ferguson proves. However, both the club and many of the supporters have already shown that they will not put up with such a situation with AS.

Other choices are very optimistic and forget the fact that we have very large debts and almost no chance of moving to a new stadium in the next 10 years. We need an manager with some experience and who can produce a decent team on a tight budget. For me MA fits the bill perfectly. Although some of you moan about the style of play when he was manager, he did take over a poor team and at a time when the playing budget was slashed. He made the most of what we had. And towards the end of his stay there was some excellent football played. The second leg (or was it a replay?) At GP against Southampton saw some great passing football and we were very unlucky not to win.

Release the dog...

Tisdale and the Ex Bournemouth boss seem to have done very well as novices

 

[sonofabee]

Tisdale and the Ex Bournemouth boss seem to have done very well as novices

You're right and NF may well be a great success if offered the role, however the B'muff boss Howe was the only option given their predicament. Our expectations are different and the next Manager is not tasked with consolidating but taking us to the next level with a squad capable of staying there. We're relying on a man with 4 games experience demonstrating he has the tools, know how and contacts to get us there......that's some pressure and not sure if NF realistic material yet.

 

[Steve G]

Steve Coppell 100% , make him an offer he can't refuse. Will show if the board are in any shape or form serious about getting the Bees into the championship. Far too big an ask for a rookie manager.

 

[Debut1949]

Quite why people are voting for NF is beyond me. As a new manager he will be learning his trade over at least 3 or 4 years. That means that the quality of football and results will vary throughout the years before he becomes the finished article. This may be a good way to go as Alex Ferguson proves. However, both the club and many of the supporters have already shown that they will not put up with such a situation with AS.

The concept of a nirvana to be reached under "the finished article" manager after 3 or 4 years experience where the quality of football and results becomes uniformly high bears little or no relationship to any reality of which most football supporters are aware or likely ever to experience. Most managers are sacked or resign within 3 or 4 years and the quality of football and results at almost clubs fluctuates considerably.

Although there may not be any academic study on the issue there is evidence to suggest that persons who become managers of clubs in the lower echelons of the football league without previous managerial experience are just as capable of succeeding as managers with previous experience. Brian Clough did very well when appointed at the age of 30 or thereabouts to be manager of Hartlepool whilst if my memory serves me correctly John Toshack was very successful as a new manager at Swansea in the old Fourth Division and, indeed, took them through to near the top of the old First Division. Steve Coppell's success at Crystal Palace, of course, is well known to Bees' fans and I take it from the post (although I personally do not know) that Alex Ferguson (presumably in his role as manager of Aberdeen) is an example from Scotland of a person without previous managerial experience bringing success.

Whilst it is understandable that some people compare the possible appointment of NF with that previously of AS the comparison does not really assist in making any decision on NF's appointment and is unfair to both of them. NF and AS are different individuals with different personalities and almost certainly different ideas about how they like to see football played. NF's experience as a professional footballer has been substantially more extensive than that of AS (whose career was sadly curtailed by the discovery of a latent heart condition). Indeed, one could probably say of NF what the authorised biographer said of the great Bill Shankly "he kept his eyes and ears open over seventeen years in professional football and knew the game inside out" except that in NF's case the period is somewhat more than seventeen years.

 

[vcmazz]

Chris Hughton, Steve Coppell, Alan Curbishley, Dean Holdsworth and Keith Hill all have one thing in common. That is, that none of them are realistic propositions as Brentford's new manager. And over a hundred people have completely screwed this poll by voting for them. Well done .

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Chris Hughton, Steve Coppell, Alan Curbishley, Dean Holdsworth and Keith Hill all have one thing in common. That is, that none of them are realistic propositions as Brentford's new manager. And over a hundred people have completely screwed this poll by voting for them. Well done .

So you don't think Dean Holdsworth would come to a club that can double his wages and give him about 5 times the playing budget?

 

[sonofabee]

Chris Hughton, Steve Coppell, Alan Curbishley, Dean Holdsworth and Keith Hill all have one thing in common. That is, that none of them are realistic propositions as Brentford's new manager. And over a hundred people have completely screwed this poll by voting for them. Well done .

To be fair the poll question isn't who will be the next manager Which would definitely reduce options but who should it be which is subjective?

I didn't vote for any of your non starters but suspect one may not be a complete no no

 

[vcmazz]

So you don't think Dean Holdsworth would come to a club that can double his wages and give him about 5 times the playing budget?

No. He's only just signed up for Aldershot. I'm sure he's fine where he is and if he did jump ship after five minutes, that would make him a scumbag of the highest order and we don't want any more of those .

 

[vcmazz]

To be fair the poll question isn't who will be the next manager Which would definitely reduce options but who should it be which is subjective?

I didn't vote for any of your non starters but suspect one may not be a complete no no

Actually, with the exception of Nicky Forster, I rather suspect the whole list are non starters lol.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

No. He's only just signed up for Aldershot. I'm sure he's fine where he is and if he did jump ship after five minutes, that would make him a scumbag of the highest order and we don't want any more of those .

I would dispute that.