Another Manager Poll

[Travel Tavern Bee]

To be honest, if we don't get the stellar name, I still expect to be intrigued by the appointment. I think there are people with good knowledge and intentions at the club making this decision who will make better choices than, say, the bloke fron p & g.

Hope you are right..........i just keep having a recurring nightmare and the manager is...........Wally Downes :mad1:

 

[wayfarer172]

Sorry mate,

I remember Davee hating the man very early doors and NB (and others) wanting shot of him a lot earlier than me - I lost patience after Orient away but know there were some of you who spotted the problems some time earlier

Absolutely no need to say sorry, I was sort of joking. You are right in saying Davee hated AS with venom. I thought I was number 2 in the hate chart.

 

[Brickie Chap]

Hope you are right..........i just keep having a recurring nightmare and the manager is...........Wally Downes :mad1:

A man now regarded as a top coach at Premiership level...but you're right, he probably isnt suited to the managers job (again)...would fit it with some of the names being banded about though

 

[SmiffyBee]

Absolutely no need to say sorry, I was sort of joking. You are right in saying Davee hated AS with venom. I thought I was number 2 in the hate chart.

Any chance of the "wayfarer-run down" on the potential candidates ?
Just for the board you understand...

Paul Buckle
Nicky Forster
The Breadman
Di Matteo
Hoddle
Coppell
Hill
Stimson

 

[horshambees]

Righto then Bll. We'll speed it up to match your travel arrangements.

In line with the current 'GPG fashion statement' I'm changing my user name and will in future be posting under 'horsham bee in the know' so watch out for the 'exclusives'.

Have a good trip

Grow up

 

[SmiffyBee]

A man now regarded as a top coach at Premiership level...but you're right, he probably isnt suited to the managers job (again)...would fit it with some of the names being banded about though

Regarded as a top coach but not having a vintage season

 

[beebopalula]

I've had a vision that it's Hoddle. Fits in with the overall Academy policy of bringing young players through. Fozzy will assist with the Breadman.

 

[Brickie Chap]

Please god no

 

[Banana]

It's not Hoddle. I know these things. A pigeon told me.

 

[BeeHomeSoon]

It's not Hoddle. I know these things. A pigeon told me.

Hmmm was its name Alan?

 

[brighton bee]

I just want the waiting to be over, and whoever it is needs as long as possible to assess the current squad and plan for next year.

Hopefully won't be much longer

 

[Brickie Chap]

I would never attend another home match, whilst he was in charge, if we appoint that prat. It was bad enough travelling and watching England all over Europe when he was national boss.

 

[Brickie Chap]

On this seasons record, thats a loss of two or three games, perhaps four, although one of them was in The Board Room. So perhaps not the greatest financial hit to BFC!

 

[beebopalula]

It's not Hoddle. I know these things. A pigeon told me.

A big Raven told me that your Pigeon predicted we would win last Saturday

 

[wayfarer172]

Any chance of the "wayfarer-run down" on the potential candidates ?
Just for the board you understand...

Paul Buckle
Nicky Forster
The Breadman
Di Matteo
Hoddle
Coppell
Hill
Stimson

NAh. I can't be arsed.

 

[scruff puppy pup]

It's not Hoddle. I know these things. A pigeon told me.

Does that mean it's Gerry Francis, then?
...it could be Hoddle. He might have been at the last six Swindon games (or not) but if we have more money than them, he will choose us over them. If he's offered.

 

[Banana]

Does that mean it's Gerry Francis, then?
...it could be Hoddle. He might have been at the last six Swindon games (or not) but if we have more money than them, he will choose us over them. If he's offered.

It can't be Hoddle, the pigeon dismissed it. Another pigeon dismissed Boothroyd too. As for the third pigeon

 

[Sweepy]

I certainly posted on here somewhere months ago that if we didn't get it right this season then we'd look at where we went wrong and try to put it right. It's fair to say that Andy Scott was given a free hand with his selection of players as we operated on a 'minimum interference' basis. That's fine if a club has the right manager playing the football that we all wish to see and getting the results that anyone with the Club's interests at heart hope for but if not sooner or later any football club board has to step in. We have spent a long time considering various options for the new team manager......what we were looking for......the style of football to be played......experience......contacts in the game and the hundred other bullet points. Some posters on here if they were board members would have been pushing their colleagues to appoint one of several managers who were immediately available (because they were out of work) and within a few days of Andy Scott going and the board was criticised by some for 'losing' them. My vote was always to do this in a measured way, accept the criticisms but work on the maxim that 'You only get one chance to get it right first time'. The job description for BFC manager in January 2008 (just after I joined the board) was different to that of now. Then the brief was to stabilise the Club, avoid relegation to the Conference at all costs and get back into League One the following season but within two seasons maximum. AS achieved that and earned the right to manage us in League One. We consolidated in League One in some comfort in the end in our first season back. This season has been disappointing in that we didn't move on to the next step and to an extent the view on AS was coloured by the successes he had in the Carling and JPT competitions. Some supporters believe we acted too late, some professional commentators insist that we acted too prematurely.........it's always a personal viewpoint. This season we have won nine out of twenty three home league matches scoring twenty four goals. That is an unacceptable return for the resources available. We scored more that two goals only three times during the season........all away from home. We did not score more than two goals in a home league match all season. That is unacceptable for the resources made available. Nobody can promise success......we can only promise to try and all supporters want the same thing. If they were prepared to go into print you'd find directors of all twenty four League One clubs telling supporters the same thing and twenty one of them will not be promoted next season. That's the nature of football. We have a unique opportunity with MB's resources and when we get out of this bloody league and into the Championship then I'd like to be able to post 'It's Brentford innit' and be proud to say it.

With regard to season tickets we've made the Early Bird more attractive. With full price season tickets we are freezing the prices and swallowing the VAT increases. With pay on the day we are freezing prices and swallowing the VAT increases. The board would certainly hope that all season ticket holders renew but we are aware that they won't, some for economic reasons, some because they can't get to enough games to justify the cost of a season ticket, some because they are disillusioned with the Club and some like yourself who have heard it all before and would like to see some meat on the bones before committing. A supporter buying an Early Bird is a gesture of faith if you like or else they need their fix and would be watching Brentford whatever league we were in. Full price season tickets include of course the 'waiting time' cost so that hesitant supporters can see the players coming in before deciding whether or not to commit. That flexibility comes with a premium over the Early Bird. The other option is to pay on the day which provides the greatest flexibility but comes with the greatest cost. That seems fair to me.

I agree and I believe that we should bring supporters into the reasoning process. For example we have been managing without a Commercial Manager for quite a few months now since Gary Hooper left. Katie McLaren 'Trandy's bird' had to return to Australia in November to obtain a new work permit. This took longer than anticipated and she didn't return until April 13. She was far too valuable an employee to lose and we managed without her for more than four months. It's not easy being two full time employees down for that period of time but there is no purpose in our singing the blues and the staff just had to cope with the additional pressures including the Wembley Final and this they did remarkably. Think about it........we had no Commercial Manager and half our ticket office staff in Australia when we were selling twenty thousand Wembley tickets of which half were dealt with at Griffin Park. Because of the pressures on the Commercial Dept Peter Gilham was effectively left to organise and manage The Big Red Ball on his own and it was touch and go whether we'd be able to do it this year. Similarly The Family Fun Day........we haven't a sponsor. Without a sponsor it's a cost and in spite of posts on here to the effect that nobody cares about monies anymore since Matthew Benham became involved it's simply not true. I've explained that it's not true many time but still it's wheeled out in GPG posts by the same gang. The current thinking is that it's better to have a 'Meet the new manager and the 2011-12 squad' day later in the summer.I have no problem with trying to explain situations but what sticks in my craw are when instead of asking why The Big Red Ball announcement was delayed and why no Family Fun Day is yet organised it's immediately assumed that it's because of incompetence and I and others read the 'BFC treats its fans like sh*te' posts which are unfair to the staff, untrue and unpleasant to read. Post and criticise by all means but ask for the facts first rather than gleefully criticise the way that Brentford Football Club is presently run and try to turn the base support against the Club with these sort of comments. That plain and simple is my beef with some posters but of course if I respond in kind then I'm subjected to the 'BFC director fighting with fans' crap.

If anyone wants to say that we should have explained this in the first place and head the doom merchants off at the pass then I would agree entirely. I started this post by saying that we could do more to bring supporters into the reasoning process so I'll finish by repeating it and that should be our emphasis in the future.

These are the two posts we really needed IMO, and they do help calm down the anxieties seen on here over the past few days (although your latter post does revert to criticisms of fans who were, for example, conscious that AS was able to go too far with the budget). Last season was a ridiculous revolving door of mediocrity which went on for too long unchecked. But in your excellent first post, you do acknowledge that the minimal interference given to AS may have been a mistake (at least I think that is what you were saying).

I also applaud your comments about the season not meeting expectations. This is the sort of talk we have been wanting to hear from the club for many years - a break with the small time mentality of old. I hope the new manager will be appointed sooner rather than later, but I will resist telling you to hurry up, or please hurry up either for that matter.

Many thanks for your statements. They are always most welcome.

 

[Southern Bee]

These are the two posts we really needed IMO, and they do help calm down the anxieties seen on here over the past few days (although your latter post does revert to criticisms of fans who were, for example, conscious that AS was able to go too far with the budget). Last season was a ridiculous revolving door of mediocrity which went on for too long unchecked. But in your excellent first post, you do acknowledge that the minimal interference given to AS may have been a mistake (at least I think that is what you were saying).

I also applaud your comments about the season not meeting expectations. This is the sort of talk we have been wanting to hear from the club for many years - a break with the small time mentality of old. I hope the new manager will be appointed sooner rather than later, but I will resist telling you to hurry up, or please hurry up either for that matter.

Many thanks for your statements. They are always most welcome.

I echo that entirely. Good work abee.

 

[Lee The Bee]

My only fear with appointing the likes of high profile managers like Di Matteo is that if we're topping the league come December & a premier league club comes sniffing then we're gonna be back to square one again.

 

[Guildford Bee]

My only fear with appointing the likes of high profile managers like Di Matteo is that if we're topping the league come December & a premier league club comes sniffing then we're gonna be back to square one again.

Let's go for someone who's bound to keep us around mid-table and play it safe then.

 

[Kingston Bee]

My only fear with appointing the likes of high profile managers like Di Matteo is that if we're topping the league come December & a premier league club comes sniffing then we're gonna be back to square one again.

So what do you suggest? Appoint a low profile manager who will keep us in mid table or below, at least there wont be any premier league clubs sniffing around.

 

[absenteebee]

Let's go for someone who's bound to keep us around mid-table and play it safe then.

and keep to signing mediocre players too...

 

[Lee The Bee]

Don't be dicks you know what I'm saying . I'm not suggesting we go for Leroy again just so that nobody poaches him I'm just expressing my fears, don't act like you've never had the same thing cross your mind. I just hope (and I'd imagine it has been) that the board has thought the same scenario through too so that we can keep a settled foundation to build from.

 

[Kingston Bee]

Don't be dicks you know what I'm saying . I'm not suggesting we go for Leroy again just so that nobody poaches him I'm just expressing my fears, don't act like you've never had the same thing cross your mind. I just hope (and I'd imagine it has been) that the board has thought the same scenario through too so that we can keep a settled foundation to build from.

Its makes no difference if its a low or high profile manager in charge. Its one of the problems you face if you are successful, other teams want your manager and players. Even Andy Scott was being touted for other jobs on the back of his League 2 success. That should not stop you being ambitious, or getting the right man, otherwise you end settling for second best. What I would like to think is that the next appointment would hopefully want to stay and build with us over the next 3-4 years at least, in the same way that Poyet at Brighton or Lambert at Norwich appear to be doing, but we need to get the right man first.

 

[SmiffyBee]

It's not Hoddle. I know these things. A pigeon told me.

Gerry Francis back in the frame ? :dog:

 

[SmiffyBee]

NAh. I can't be arsed.

Good Support

 

[SmiffyBee]

Don't be dicks you know what I'm saying . I'm not suggesting we go for Leroy again just so that nobody poaches him I'm just expressing my fears, don't act like you've never had the same thing cross your mind. I just hope (and I'd imagine it has been) that the board has thought the same scenario through too so that we can keep a settled foundation to build from.

Sign a top manager on a 5 year deal.
If he does get poached, we would be well compensated

 

[wayfarer172]

My only fear with appointing the likes of high profile managers like Di Matteo is that if we're topping the league come December & a premier league club comes sniffing then we're gonna be back to square one again.

That was the daftest post ever.

 

[absenteebee]

Don't be dicks you know what I'm saying . I'm not suggesting we go for Leroy again just so that nobody poaches him I'm just expressing my fears, don't act like you've never had the same thing cross your mind. I just hope (and I'd imagine it has been) that the board has thought the same scenario through too so that we can keep a settled foundation to build from.

i like this site... been called chickenshit and a dick in the space of a couple of days... great... anymore?

i just don't get your argument... it's like only going after mingers because if you pull a more attractive looking lady, someone else might take her off you...

 

[NorthamptonBee]

i like this site... been called chickenshit and a dick in the space of a couple of days... great... anymore?

i just don't get your argument... it's like only going after mingers because if you pull a more attractive looking lady, someone else might take her off you...

Don't be a turnip, you take the more attractive ones away from others and don't even entertain mingers.

 

[Lee The Bee]

i like this site... been called chickenshit and a dick in the space of a couple of days... great... anymore?

i just don't get your argument... it's like only going after mingers because if you pull a more attractive looking lady, someone else might take her off you...

What's to get? I wasn't arguing or even suggesting that we don't go big or even go small in the first place. I was just voicing my thoughts like everyone else on this board. You're the one who chose to make a sarcastic comment without really understanding what I'm saying.

 

[absenteebee]

What's to get? I wasn't arguing or even suggesting that we don't go big or even go small in the first place. I was just voicing my thoughts like everyone else on this board. You're the one who chose to make a sarcastic comment without really understanding what I'm saying.

ok. sorry.

 

[Lee The Bee]

ok. sorry.

Apologie accepted.

 

[blunstone]

Sign a top manager on a 5 year deal.
If he does get poached, we would be well compensated

and within a year the faithful turn against him and he is paid off. i think not.

 

[Ambrose_1889]

Have a good feeling in my waters that tomorrow will be the day

 

[SmiffyBee]

Have a good feeling in my waters that tomorrow will be the day

Roberto Di Matt 'eau ?

 

[Ambrose_1889]

I sink so...

 

[ianallon]

Don't be a turnip, you take the more attractive ones away from others and don't even entertain mingers.

But sometimes mingers will do a job that others won't!

 

[Wouldbee]

Surely Di Matteo would not drop this low???????

 

[jlove]

No-one's mention Martin Ling...

 

[nick logan]

Surely Di Matteo would not drop this low???????

If he lucky enough to be considered by the mighty Bees then i hope he is suitably humbled.

 

[GP200]

Have a good feeling in my waters that tomorrow will be the day

.........do you still have a good feeling??????.............

 

[SmiffyBee]

No-one's mention Martin Ling...

He has been spotted at GP in the past month (twice in fact)
I think he was just checking the plumbing in the New Road loos

 

[longdistancebee]

My bro in law in a MK Donkeys s/t holder. Bearing in mind an earlier comment on this thread that Di Matteo has only ever inherited good and/or reasonably financially healthy clubs, i asked him what he thought of RdM's capabilities in terms of picking up a run of the mill club like BFC, and worryingly, he said he felt he was not that suited. Worse still, the big criticism at MKDs was that he had no plan B. Now where have i heard that before..... I have been quietly hoping di Matteo might be our man. Now, maybe my views have changed a little.

 

[hatfieldbee]

Just a spanner in the works. You don't need a big name, as Phil Holder proved when he took us up to the 2nd division for the only time in my Bees supporting years. However, interviewing only doesn't surely give the full picture as the interviwers can't tell until the prospective manager is in a competitive situation how he would deal with players after poor performances/defeats. NF for instance is a 'nice guy' and seems cool on the touchline during games, but would he be able to be 'read the riot act' if necessary in a forceful way. In other words, possibly lose his temper and shout at 'em at halftime in the dressing room when we are 3-0 down. Interviewees can talk a good interview, but unless the interviewers actually know the interviewee, it might not all stack up in reality - when the crunch comes.

 

[djheavens]

I wonder if Chris Hughton is an outside shot? Not been mentioned for a while but he would be a good choice i believe.
Also played for us along time ago.

 

[Gee Bee]

and within a year the faithful turn against him and he is paid off. i think not.

You have someone on a long contract that also includes a cheaper get out clause if he turns out to be crap. Thats quite usual. If he's good and is poached compensation is decent if he's bad the notice period is small.

 

[RitchBee]

My bro in law in a MK Donkeys s/t holder. Bearing in mind an earlier comment on this thread that Di Matteo has only ever inherited good and/or reasonably financially healthy clubs, i asked him what he thought of RdM's capabilities in terms of picking up a run of the mill club like BFC, and worryingly, he said he felt he was not that suited. Worse still, the big criticism at MKDs was that he had no plan B. Now where have i heard that before..... I have been quietly hoping di Matteo might be our man. Now, maybe my views have changed a little.

I mentioned this an earlier post............my FC friends said much the same.

He had a big budget at FC

 

[Inappropriate Smilies Bee]

if it is Andy Scott again i will not be renewing my season ticket.