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Wow. Loose cannon. Pissed up and going for it during the middle of a series. Tbh I don’t care how much it hurts our Ashes he needs to be banned from the squad for that. With the internet nowadays kids will see that and what sort of example does it set.
 

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Reading on they came at him with a bottle first allegedly.....
 

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....obviously an 'angry' young man who needs to be taken in hand....he's a talented sportsman....hope the lad accepts the consequences of his actions and gets help to sort out his problems.
 

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If that is Ben Stokes in this video, then he can't play for England again, unless there is exceptional evidence to show this was self defence.
 

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If may come down to a case of self defence if he was attacked first but what were they doing out so late a couple of days before an international game? I gather the ECB has no curfew rules on this so maybe they should.
 

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Buzzettesfriend said:
If that is Ben Stokes in this video, then he can't play for England again, unless there is exceptional evidence to show this was self defence.
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can't play for England again :eek:

i'm struggling to muster such outrage myself. not sure why...

certainly silly to be out that late with the potential for such a situation.

will be interesting to see how they handle this, as frankly he's one of the best players in the world. doesn't mean he should be treated any differently... but he will be...
 

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Mr Tree said:
can't play for England again :eek:

i'm struggling to muster such outrage myself. not sure why...

certainly silly to be out that late with the potential for such a situation.

will be interesting to see how they handle this, as frankly he's one of the best players in the world. doesn't mean he should be treated any differently... but he will be...
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I see where you're coming from, but he could easily get a stint inside for that, and I'm not sure Strauss and his clan will have back in the England fold if that's the case. They've already shown with the likes of Pietersen that cricketing talent isn't the only thing they take into account when allowing someone to play for England.
 

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Mr Tree said:
can't play for England again :eek:

i'm struggling to muster such outrage myself. not sure why...

certainly silly to be out that late with the potential for such a situation.

will be interesting to see how they handle this, as frankly he's one of the best players in the world. doesn't mean he should be treated any differently... but he will be...
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Yes fully agree, he needs to grow up.
 

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.....the aussie's will have a 'field' day with him....could take sledging to a whole new level.....England's sports psychologist will need to be on his toes....
 

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Aussies didn't ban Warner when he thumped Root in a nightclub. I don't really know the circumstances of the Stokes affair though so there may no comparison.
 

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Buzzettesfriend said:
I see where you're coming from, but he could easily get a stint inside for that, and I'm not sure Strauss and his clan will have back in the England fold if that's the case. They've already shown with the likes of Pietersen that cricketing talent isn't the only thing they take into account when allowing someone to play for England.
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Pietersen knee was gone and they knew it. They stuck the boot in because they didnt like him and needed to blame someone for the 5 nil defeat.

Stokes is liked and still has a lot of time left. Well I guess it depends on how long he is inside for. As having had a caution for violence before, I cant see him not getting any jail time for that.
 

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I am struggling with this a bit. The video seems to show a chap brandishing a bottle and going for someone (Hales?), I think Stokes initial reaction is what many people would do. My concern is how the incident then continued, I think if he had walked away after the initial exchange this would be a lesser incident and possible could have been mitigated as self defence(ish).

The wider issue is that an England cricketer shouldn't be p1ssed up at 2:30am in the middle of a series, i.e. don't put yourself in a situation where this could occur.
 

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Doesn’t look good. He has to be big enough to walk away, even if he’s provoked or has been verbally abused. Known faces from sport etc are easy targets by the ****wits that frequent these bars.

Going to be tough getting out of this one. Unless the person hit drops all charges. Stokes may still get a ban and could miss Australia because of it. If he’s convicted, does Australia allow those with a criminal record into the country?!
 

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wanderer paul said:
Doesn’t look good. He has to be big enough to walk away, even if he’s provoked or has been verbally abused. Known faces from sport etc are easy targets by the ****wits that frequent these bars.

Going to be tough getting out of this one. Unless the person hit drops all charges. Stokes may still get a ban and could miss Australia because of it. If he’s convicted, does Australia allow those with a criminal record into the country?!
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It certainly used to.;);)
 

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NorthamptonBee said:
It certainly used to.;);)
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I’m not talking about your relatives mate in the 1700/1800’s. The street urchins that were sent to the colonies. I’m talking about now you fool! :banghead:
 

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wanderer paul said:
Doesn’t look good. He has to be big enough to walk away, even if he’s provoked or has been verbally abused. Known faces from sport etc are easy targets by the ****wits that frequent these bars.

Going to be tough getting out of this one. Unless the person hit drops all charges. Stokes may still get a ban and could miss Australia because of it. If he’s convicted, does Australia allow those with a criminal record into the country?!
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If the guy* who is spark-out on that video "drops all charges" then the CPS could still go ahead with a prosecution as they have CCTV evidence.
 

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Exactly, I suspect the guy who had the bottle wouldn't be too keen to press charges but the CPS I think are still likely to pursue this. Its not good all round(er), from an entirely selfish point of view I'm hacked off as one way or another this will derail our Ashes chances.
 

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Fair play to him for standing up for his mate if the 2 others started this. There was perhaps a moment when he could have walked away but why not teach a pair of cowards resorting to using dangerous weapons a lesson? Can't blame him for making sure they weren't a continued threat if that pair had been the instigators, why take the chance on walking away if they are likely to attack him from behind or something? At least he didn't pick the bottle up and use it.
 

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Piers Morgan tweeted that Stokes intervened to help two gay men who were being hassled by 'yobs'. Not sure what difference that makes but if true I actually think fair play to him (obviously can't condone the violence but sometimes people really do deserve a slap).
 

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Not surprising. I can see them missing the Ashes.
 

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Houghton Bee said:
Fair play to him for standing up for his mate if the 2 others started this. There was perhaps a moment when he could have walked away but why not teach a pair of cowards resorting to using dangerous weapons a lesson? Can't blame him for making sure they weren't a continued threat if that pair had been the instigators, why take the chance on walking away if they are likely to attack him from behind or something? At least he didn't pick the bottle up and use it.
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Er.....because that's someone else's job? :thetruth:
 

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So will their punishment be

Miss the meaningless One Day Match v West Indies on Friday ???

The Trouble for Stokes is that Strauss (unlike Vaughan) has a very Old School Approach to
Everything

Including Discipline
 

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Judio1999 said:
So will their punishment be

Miss the meaningless One Day Match v West Indies on Friday ???

The Trouble for Stokes is that Strauss (unlike Vaughan) has a very Old School Approach to
Everything

Including Discipline
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And rightly so in my opinion. These players are representing the country which puts them firmly in the public eye as role models to youngsters. Getting into drunken fights is not acceptable and would be sufficient to get most people fired from "normal" jobs and it should be no different for international cricketers/footballers etc.
 

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Oh dear, now footage has emerged of Ben Stokes imitating Katie Price's son Harvey. Not good Mr Stokes, not sure any one can defend that behaviour.
 

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davebee said:
And rightly so in my opinion. These players are representing the country which puts them firmly in the public eye as role models to youngsters. Getting into drunken fights is not acceptable and would be sufficient to get most people fired from "normal" jobs and it should be no different for international cricketers/footballers etc.
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Agree 100%. Presumably, though, Stokes's eventual punishment will be a lot heavier than that of Hales if, as it would appear, he was not directly involved in any fighting.
 

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Judio1999 said:
So will their punishment be

Miss the meaningless One Day Match v West Indies on Friday ???

The Trouble for Stokes is that Strauss (unlike Vaughan) has a very Old School Approach to
Everything

Including Discipline
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Both suspended forthwith from International Cricket.

Ben Stokes and Alex Hales dropped by England after Bristol incident
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41433110
 

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Why don't we wait until we hear the full story before we condemn him.
Stories ranging from defending his mate to sticking up for two gay friends who had been harassed. It may all be BS but give the bloke a chance
 

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sonofabee said:
Why don't we wait until we hear the full story before we condemn him.
Stories ranging from defending his mate to sticking up for two gay friends who had been harassed. It may all be BS but give the bloke a chance
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They are, he’s suspended on full pay. The video evidence doesn’t help his cause though. What preceded this punch up is just mitigating evidence. I’m sure the ECB won’t come to a rash decision and will wait for all the evidence before deciding his cricketing future. The Police may now proceed with the ABH though and he could be facing time. If it was joe public, they would be.
 

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wanderer paul said:
They are, he’s suspended on full pay. The video evidence doesn’t help his cause though. What preceded this punch up is just mitigating evidence. I’m sure the ECB won’t come to a rash decision and will wait for all the evidence before deciding his cricketing future. The Police may now proceed with the ABH though and he could be facing time. If it was joe public, they would be.
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WP not arguing and like usual you're the voice of reason unlike a few others on this thread. if he's guilty and without mitigation he's in trouble but I'd rather wait to hear the full story.
 

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sonofabee said:
WP not arguing and like usual you're the voice of reason unlike a few others on this thread. if he's guilty and without mitigation he's in trouble but I'd rather wait to hear the full story.
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I think the video tells a story. If you are acting in self defence you surely don't play the aggressor role that the video seems to show Stokes doing. Out at 2am mid series, knocking the crap out of someone and now taking the piss out of a poor disabled kid. Maybe he's just not a very nice chap.
 

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Buzzettesfriend said:
I think the video tells a story. If you are acting in self defence you surely don't play the aggressor role that the video seems to show Stokes doing. Out at 2am mid series, knocking the crap out of someone and now taking the piss out of a poor disabled kid. Maybe he's just not a very nice chap.
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Maybe but we don't know the full story. I've never met him or anyone who has and he could be a creep. A high profile International sportsman out out late getting involved in ag isn't to be admired but that video doesn't necessarily tell the whole story as we don't know what was said or happened before?
 

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Buzzettesfriend said:
I think the video tells a story. If you are acting in self defence you surely don't play the aggressor role that the video seems to show Stokes doing. Out at 2am mid series, knocking the crap out of someone and now taking the piss out of a poor disabled kid. Maybe he's just not a very nice chap.
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Alcohol changes your demeanour. If he was provoked and is, possibly, a hothead, then it’s not surprising.

As for the mocking of a disabled child, that’s another issue.

Seems like he has some education classes to attend sometime soon and, maybe, anger management too.
 

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Buzzettesfriend said:
I think the video tells a story. If you are acting in self defence you surely don't play the aggressor role that the video seems to show Stokes doing. Out at 2am mid series, knocking the crap out of someone and now taking the piss out of a poor disabled kid. Maybe he's just not a very nice chap.
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Maybe the aggressor as he was taking on a couple of bullies and turned the tables on them, if that turns out to be the case then there is no sympathy for the victims but Stokes will have to deal with the consequences.
 

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After watching the video again if the bloke in the navy jumper is Alex Hales (which I believe it is) he clearly tries kicking one of the others in the head twice when down. He makes
Contact with the guys back and shoulder. If that is him and I saw right??
 

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I find "mocking disabled son" a rather dramatic way of describing that part. I'm sure plenty of people won't agree with me on this but no change there then......

Personally I think it's like if someone's young daughter said "hello you ****" to one of you in a group of lads.....you'd all probably piss yourselves laughing (and also wonder what on earth was going on with the parenting such that they know the word and are repeating it).

Hell, people even sell friggin T-Shirts with the phrase on (directly related to this)! Which doesn't make it OK but I'd question if a T-Shirt directly mocking a disabled child would sell anything.

It's not really the word people are laughing at, it's simply a child saying it that makes people laugh, which due to the disability he is effectively like in some ways. In the same way you'd not be laughing at a child who said the same phrase I don't think he's mocking Harvey as such.
 

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IDontBeeLieveIt said:
I find "mocking disabled son" a rather dramatic way of describing that part. I'm sure plenty of people won't agree with me on this but no change there then......

Personally I think it's like if someone's young daughter said "hello you ****" to one of you in a group of lads.....you'd all probably piss yourselves laughing (and also wonder what on earth was going on with the parenting such that they know the word and are repeating it).

Hell, people even sell friggin T-Shirts with the phrase on (directly related to this)! Which doesn't make it OK but I'd question if a T-Shirt directly mocking a disabled child would sell anything.

It's not really the word people are laughing at, it's simply a child saying it that makes people laugh, which due to the disability he is effectively like in some ways. In the same way you'd not be laughing at a child who said the same phrase I don't think he's mocking Harvey as such.
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You may be right, but should an international sportsman really be filming himself doing this? It's a bloody unintelligent thing to do, if not cruel.
 

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Rightly or wrongly, if he was an Aussie the media and cricket Australia would have discussed and agreed not to air this video and he would play a full part in the Ashes series.
 

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sonofabee said:
Maybe but we don't know the full story. I've never met him or anyone who has and he could be a creep. A high profile International sportsman out out late getting involved in ag isn't to be admired but that video doesn't necessarily tell the whole story as we don't know what was said or happened before?
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Never met him but our ex overseas player played with him in Aus years ago and went to visit him in Durham. He said he was a good guy, have heard that hes as thick as sh*t tho. Overseas player didnt say that but he truly was the stupidist person i've ever met so if there mates he probably is thick!
 

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IDontBeeLieveIt said:
I find "mocking disabled son" a rather dramatic way of describing that part. I'm sure plenty of people won't agree with me on this but no change there then......

Personally I think it's like if someone's young daughter said "hello you ****" to one of you in a group of lads.....you'd all probably piss yourselves laughing (and also wonder what on earth was going on with the parenting such that they know the word and are repeating it).

Hell, people even sell friggin T-Shirts with the phrase on (directly related to this)! Which doesn't make it OK but I'd question if a T-Shirt directly mocking a disabled child would sell anything.

It's not really the word people are laughing at, it's simply a child saying it that makes people laugh, which due to the disability he is effectively like in some ways. In the same way you'd not be laughing at a child who said the same phrase I don't think he's mocking Harvey as such.
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I actually agree with you on this one, it's a bit stupid but doesn't come across as malicious.
 

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Don't think the video of the assault comes across well though, initially it could be explained as self defence but Stokes continued to throw punches even as they were trying to get away.
 

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CTBee said:
Don't think the video of the assault comes across well though, initially it could be explained as self defence but Stokes continued to throw punches even as they were trying to get away.
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This is all about interpretation. Start of the "footage" shows imo him and his mate being attacked. They dealt with it. End of. There you go son. If someone attacks you and then your mate then deal with it and deal with it properly. Role model this and that. b***ocks. He World's gone soft. Deal with it.
 

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Leaving aside the incident some in the media (Vaughan for example) are getting pretty hysterical about it being the end of our Ashes chances, I know he is a very good all rounder but we have some other top players...
 

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Buzzettesfriend said:
You may be right, but should an international sportsman really be filming himself doing this? It's a bloody unintelligent thing to do, if not cruel.
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Yeah I'm not really defending him (or trying to anyway). It's certainly not the smartest thing for anyone to do - especially if a public figure.
 
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