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If 2 people have a fight, who's the victim and who's the suspect? Affray usually involves charges against more than one person.
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If 2 people have a fight, who's the victim and who's the suspect? Affray usually involves charges against more than one person.
JCMcBee
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.....i think there should be pints of lager standing in the dock too!!
Hullbee
Wash your hands you filthy animals
Ben Stokes
A group of lads having a dust up about some drunken nonsense that none of them can actually recall correctly as they were so pissed all get charged. Much simpler to put it down to experience one that has been shared with hundreds of other Brits on drunken nights out throughout the country. If it was a normal person and not a celebrity involved the police would have dismissed this as a piss head incident nothing further to investigate
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The CCTV of Stokes knocking out cold the 2 other defendants is pretty damning!
I too was a bit confused who’s who and why the other 2 are in the dock together
I too was a bit confused who’s who and why the other 2 are in the dock together
kevalutonbee
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Agreed. Seems a bit much to describe it as a "pisshead incident" when one of the protagonists is beaten unconscious.
If this wasn't a case involving a well known sportsman I hope the police would treat it the same as they have here
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I think you know the answer to that and was kind of the point I was making.
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I once sat in on a trial at Ealing Magistrates Court where the defending brief began his summary by saying that the only reason his client was in the dock and not vice versa was because he'd won the fight.
He got off.
He got off.
kevalutonbee
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Wonder if he put his all in Saturday morning because deep down he knew it could be his last cricket for a while?
Ben Stokes
No chance of an early finish and a dash to Lords now
Interesting if the ECB go ahead with their own disciplinary action on him once court has decided his innocence or guilt
He was on England duty so could be facing a different charge from the ECB
Interesting if the ECB go ahead with their own disciplinary action on him once court has decided his innocence or guilt
He was on England duty so could be facing a different charge from the ECB
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I’m staggered the copper’s body cam evidence has been released to media outlets during the trial. Seems completely inappropriate.
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How the f*ck do some of these court artists keep getting paid.
You'd think that was a deformed old man not a young athlete looking at that picture.
whyteleafebee76
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How the f*ck do some of these court artists keep getting paid.
You'd think that was a deformed old man not a young athlete looking at that picture.
Is Matthew Corbett on trial as well?
Ben Stokes
How the f*ck do some of these court artists keep getting paid.
You'd think that was a deformed old man not a young athlete looking at that picture.
It's a pretty tough job. They can't draw in court. They have to draw outside and dash in and out remembering what they saw....
Mikey Bee
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How the f*ck do some of these court artists keep getting paid.
You'd think that was a deformed old man not a young athlete looking at that picture.
Is Van Gogh on trial?
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How the f*ck do some of these court artists keep getting paid.
You'd think that was a deformed old man not a young athlete looking at that picture.
What a cheap looking suit too.
whyteleafebee76
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Or in this case they could look at a picture of Ben Stokes and draw that?
On a wider point why are court drawings actually needed?
whyteleafebee76
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Exactly. If ever there was a chance to get a drawing looking half decent this was the opportunity.
Going back to Rebus' point, it does seem a bit odd that the police cam footage has been released and I don't actually see why there would be a need to release it to the media What I would say though is that it probably helps Stokes as he doesn't come across as drunk/aggessive.
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Mafeking Avenue........gets you there!!!!
Ben Stokes
How the f*ck do some of these court artists keep getting paid.
You'd think that was a deformed old man not a young athlete looking at that picture.
lol
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Exactly. If ever there was a chance to get a drawing looking half decent this was the opportunity.
Going back to Rebus' point, it does seem a bit odd that the police cam footage has been released and I don't actually see why there would be a need to release it to the media What I would say though is that it probably helps Stokes as he doesn't come across as drunk/aggessive.
The Police and CPS love to stick one on a celeb, it's like a badge of honour. I doubt this case would have come to trial if it didn't involve Stokes.
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How the f*ck do some of these court artists keep getting paid.
You'd think that was a deformed old man not a young athlete looking at that picture.
Come on then, let's see your attempt Leonardo.
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How the f*ck do some of these court artists keep getting paid.
You'd think that was a deformed old man not a young athlete looking at that picture.
For a bowler, his fingers look a bit f***ed. Probably the best he doesn't play for England again.
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all a bit silly. i mean, from the bodycam video, you can understand why the police arrested him ("there's a guy over there covered in blood, and he says you did it to him"). but the CCTV does clearly show a silly tussle and then a bottle come whizzing at the guy - i know Stokesy stepped up and took a few more swings than strictly necessary, but he was trying to make sure that the guys who just came at him with a bottle didn't come again, innit. not sure we needed all this hullabaloo. we were discussing it at the weekend - wonder how it would've gone with "normal people" involved, rather than celebrities.
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Believe that the ECB will be considering disciplinary action now that the case is over. So doubt we will be seeing him at Trent Bridge
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It's hard to really have an opinion since it doesn't seem clear really what happened at the start.
Who started all the aggression? Did someone start waving a bottle around trying (or threatening) to glass someone?
Without knowing some of these things it's hard to pass judgement and if they weren't clear at the trial then not guilty is probably right.
For example, regardless of any "verbals", if someone starts threatening to bottle someone, then getting knocked out is the least they deserve.
Stokes seems to be praised for defending two gay men from homophobic abuse yet in other stories is apparently being very mocking of gay men.
All very confusing!
Who started all the aggression? Did someone start waving a bottle around trying (or threatening) to glass someone?
Without knowing some of these things it's hard to pass judgement and if they weren't clear at the trial then not guilty is probably right.
For example, regardless of any "verbals", if someone starts threatening to bottle someone, then getting knocked out is the least they deserve.
Stokes seems to be praised for defending two gay men from homophobic abuse yet in other stories is apparently being very mocking of gay men.
All very confusing!
Indian Bee
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He missed it because he was under police investigations. No charge has ever been brought against him for drinking a 2am whilst on international duty with England.
Indian Bee
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The one thing I can’t work out in this case is why three key witnesses Hales and the two gay guys were not brought to give evidence.
I honestly believe Stokes is a very lucky lucky man. Literally everyone I spoke to at Lords last week thought he was a goner. However, my judgement is based solely on what was reported in the press and the evidence I have seen.
One can only trust the jury have made the correct decision but with here Key witnesses not appearing did they have the full evidence.
I honestly believe Stokes is a very lucky lucky man. Literally everyone I spoke to at Lords last week thought he was a goner. However, my judgement is based solely on what was reported in the press and the evidence I have seen.
One can only trust the jury have made the correct decision but with here Key witnesses not appearing did they have the full evidence.
Ben Stokes
Can only assume that neither defence or prosecution felt comfortable with using gay guys and it’s their non appearance for either side that helped the most to find not guilty two both men
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It’s for the ECB to decide the next steps. You can’t have international players of any country whilst on duty getting into brawls at 2am. Sadly there appears to be a drinking culture within this England set up as evident during the ashes.
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I can understand it to a degree from the prosecution but if Stokes whole defence was based on protecting his gay friends then surely his defence team would have brought them to provide evidence. With the defence team of Stokes also stating that Hales kicked one of the other guys why wasn’t he even charged.
Stokes is now free and found not guilty but the trial has brought more questions than answers.
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Maybe he will play the next game and if England win will then get a 2 game ban.
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