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This is probably the best Brentford team I have ever seen. However we are a bit rubbish at attacking corners. I am sure we have probably scored directly from 1 or 2 this season, not that I can remember any off the top of my head (Notts County doesn't count BTW - was a good few touches before it went in). Under Scott and Allen I always got a bit excited when we got a corner because the majority of the time we would make a chance out of it. Recently I feel like we are never going to score from a corner. I was thinking about it on Saturday and I think the type of player we now have doesn't make us as much as an aerial threat as we once were, and don't get me wrong I much prefer it this way. However I think we could be a bit more creative with corners. I would like to see us go short more often or even have someone 30 or 40 yards out from goal who we can play it out to and put together another attack. I think we are 10x more dangerous with the ball at our feet. Maybe a change like we did for throw ins in the final third. Just wondering if others felt the same way? Or maybe someone can tell me we've actually scored from 10 corners this season and I'm being stupid. We do get an awful lot of corners though. I suppose it's a nice problem to have given we have just finished a mammoth unbeaten run!
 

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There was the one Douglas volleyed in at the Brook Road end - can't remember who against.

Suspect that one wasn't rehearsed - but if it was, let's do it again!
 

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It was against Carlisle but I thought is was planned. If not it was very lucky.
 

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The difference between Uwe's side and the Scott/Butcher/Allen team's is that the team we currently have are all playing because they are able to keep the ball on the deck and play a "passing" game and are not necessary strong at attacking the ball in the air, particularly offensively.

The most obvious example of this is the omission of Legge from our squad. He, in my opinion, is the last "Scott era" player who is better at the long ball game and winning high balls. These kind of players are naturally better at attacking corners and set pieces into the box.
 

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Southern Bee said:
The difference between Uwe's side and the Scott/Butcher/Allen team's is that the team we currently have are all playing because they are able to keep the ball on the deck and play a "passing" game and are not necessary strong at attacking the ball in the air, particularly offensively.

The most obvious example of this is the omission of Legge from our squad. He, in my opinion, is the last "Scott era" player who is better at the long ball game and winning high balls. These kind of players are naturally better at attacking corners and set pieces into the box.
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Yeah I agree. That's why I think we should be a bit more creative with corners and go shorter more often a la Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal, Barcelona etc.
 

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I reckon we get into go positions and look favourite to head it but it always seems to skim off their heads and go miles wide.
 

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Great thread. Was thinking this on Saturday. We seem to get 6-10 corners a game thru good attacking play, but we never look like scoring from them. Just the same ball played in to the box time after time.

Without Leon in the box we don't really have a target. Dean and Craig seem easy to mark and we don't have a big front man. Dave is big but gets a nosebleed at the edge of the box, let alone when he goes inside it (no jokes please!).

Would love to see some more creativitiy in terms of short corners, or playing the ball to the edge of the box for a dig.
 

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We must have skimmed about seven from good positions on Saturday. Hopefully we are practicing "non skimmy attacking headers" in training this week
 

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I agree that we don't seem dangerous. Dean is the obvious target and Craig is probably not going to outjump an opposition CB. We need to work on the near post flicks that Bean got to, the long ball to the far post is a bit predictable; the only one that seems to work there is Douglas doing his last minute run.
 

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Am i right that we havnt conceded from a corner or free kick all season ? Ruislip Rich pointed this out to me the other month and i cant recall us conceding from a set piece since ?
 

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newbee79 said:
Am i right that we havnt conceded from a corner or free kick all season ? Ruislip Rich pointed this out to me the other month and i cant recall us conceding from a set piece since ?
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Except for Hartlepool and Notts County which were own goals (latter may have been a cross not a SP anyway) . I think that is the case yes.
 

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Don't say that...Richard Lee said that last season and look what happened!

Saunders corners were much better but aswell as skimming off the tops of our heads we also aren't taking up positions near the back post to pick up the loose ball
 

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If harlee dean could learn to head/time it better he would get 10 goals a season. He must have attacked and won about 15-20 corners this season but each time it goes straight back where it came from or 20 foot over the bar. Could be a real danger weapon if we could get it right.
 

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.............best corners of the season have been taken by Mr Dallas...........
 

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mhead bee said:
If harlee dean could learn to head/time it better he would get 10 goals a season. He must have attacked and won about 15-20 corners this season but each time it goes straight back where it came from or 20 foot over the bar. Could be a real danger weapon if we could get it right.
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Corners are too deep sometimes and we do not mixed them up enough. Near post etc.
 

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That is why Tranny did not seem to concerned at conceding corners because we do not look like scoring from them. The Tranny scout would have included this is his pre-game report. I also much prefer the passing game we now play but we could do with a few more 6 foot plus ballplayers who are also good in the air. It was also noticeable against Southend that our lack of height cost us a goal in both games.
 

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NorthamptonBee said:
I reckon we get into go positions and look favourite to head it but it always seems to skim off their heads and go miles wide.
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Craig has got into some fantastic positions from corners and not hit the target once (however put him in his own six yard box and he's lethal;)). Think Harlee will become a bigger threat as his career progresses. Once again think Farid's inury robbed us of our major threat from corners.
 

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We did a nice set piece from a free kick out wide a week or 2 a go, think it was against Bournemouth maybe ? A sort of dummy and played a pass into the box rather than crossing it. Uwe should work on some stuff like this from corners in training.
 

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I hadn't really noticed this, particularly with Harlee getting one from a corner on Saturday.

I agree with other posters though - we absolutely need to ensure that our corners are an attacking threat and that we have different options from them.
 

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Harlee scored from a free kick on Saturday IIRC....
 

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JumboJet said:
I hadn't really noticed this, particularly with Harlee getting one from a corner on Saturday.

I agree with other posters though - we absolutely need to ensure that our corners are an attacking threat and that we have different options from them.
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Wasn't a corner
 

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Why are our corners poor either 1st defender clears or straight to the keeper (Alright we tried a different routine yesterday)
Wallsalls corners were so dangerous virtually every one right on the spot
 

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On the other side of the coin, we don't concede many when defending corners, i dont like zonal marking but its worked well this season up to now.
 

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We have had some very creative short corners this season but we don't use them often enough for my liking. Were poor at corners (didn't threaten a short young Walsall side once yesterday) so why not utilise the short/creative corners more often? League 1 defences do not have the adaptability to cope with innovative set pieces but routine predictable ones are bread and butter.
 

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Leon legg was the last player that was a danger at corners - When oh when will we have a centreforward that can head the ball and be a danger to oppositions.
 

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TOMOGP said:
Why are our corners poor either 1st defender clears or straight to the keeper (Alright we tried a different routine yesterday)
Wallsalls corners were so dangerous virtually every one right on the spot
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I don't think it is the delivery that is poor, we just don't have any players in the team who seem capable of attacking the ball with their head in the danger area. Harlere managed a couple last year but not this year . Clayton isn't much kop in the air. Thats about it.
 

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I thought delivery looked better yesterday - skimmy ones are dangerous. Usually we just hoof them in high so the keeper plucks them from the sky or beyond the back post.
Walsall's curving corners were great yesterday.
 

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Apart from the fact that we don't have a good header-innerer, we have used the long ball past the far post for Douglas, who does a curved run to get there, a few times. In the past, we also has Bean doing a similar thing to the near post. I think it's a combination of not great deliveries (like those inswingers from Walsall) and lack of aerial threat. Dean seems to have the muscle and power to get to balls but he's not accurate. New thinking is certainly required as we just don't look dangerous from set pieces.
 

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Defending corners with everyone behind the ball nullifies any potential quick break if we manage to clear it as happened Saturday
 

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jlove said:
Apart from the fact that we don't have a good header-innerer, we have used the long ball past the far post for Douglas, who does a curved run to get there, a few times. In the past, we also has Bean doing a similar thing to the near post. I think it's a combination of not great deliveries (like those inswingers from Walsall) and lack of aerial threat. Dean seems to have the muscle and power to get to balls but he's not accurate. New thinking is certainly required as we just don't look dangerous from set pieces.
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Craig has also got into several good positions from corners this season but failed to hit the target (although he's deadly in his own six yard box). I think with Dean it is an area of his game which will improve with experience. To have a centre half who can weigh in with half a dozen goals from corners or set pieces a season is a big plus.
Our delivery on set pieces hasn't been of the highest order either and I would think that it's an area on which Rosler and the coaches are really working.
The return of Farid will hopefully see us posing more of an ariel threat because offensively we haven't got a good header of the ball in the team, Clayton gets on the end of the odd cross but not with regularity as most of the time he's right out on the touchline.
 

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hitchinb said:
I thought delivery looked better yesterday - skimmy ones are dangerous. Usually we just hoof them in high so the keeper plucks them from the sky or beyond the back post.
Walsall's curving corners were great yesterday.
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I agree - I wonder how our players would be at the Fantasy football corner challenge!
 

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I used to like the corners we took when Paul Evans was in the side – knocked back 20 or 30 yards, Evans would run in and whip the ball in from a different angle. Maybe we didn't get as many goals from those moves as I seem to remember but we do have the players who could do well with those kinds of deliveries. And the players to put in those kinds of passes.
 

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teesbee said:
I used to like the corners we took when Paul Evans was in the side – knocked back 20 or 30 yards, Evans would run in and whip the ball in from a different angle. Maybe we didn't get as many goals from those moves as I seem to remember but we do have the players who could do well with those kinds of deliveries. And the players to put in those kinds of passes.
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We copied this from Ronnie Mauge when he was at Plymouth
 

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Bookham Bee said:
Leon legg was the last player that was a danger at corners - When oh when will we have a centreforward that can head the ball and be a danger to oppositions.
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It's proven to be a big mistake to let hime go. He was a threat at corners and the defence was much more calm when he was in the team.
 

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ianallon said:
It's proven to be a big mistake to let hime go. He was a threat at corners and the defence was much more calm when he was in the team.
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He was a threat at corners but... defence calm... Legge? Perfect for League 2 and the launchers but I'd take Dean over him any day and he'd never play on the left.
 

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there is nothing more frustrating than not clearing the first man with a hard-earned corner kick. Seems to me we need a player in front of their first defender who can help it on if it is delivered short. A near post flick on can be effective but it seems our near post corners happen without being intended as there is never anyone there. Outswingers are a waste of time at the moment as we're winning few headers around the penalty spot. Corners are definitely something we should be practicing IMV.
 

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We never score when Forshaw takes. Despite the fact they're consistently in a good area they are floaty, slow and therefore easy to defend.
Forrester's corners are hit at a good pace so when he puts them in a dangerous area they cause problems however he struggles to put them in a good area every time.
Saunders takes a wicked corner, they're whipped at pace and 90% of the time put in a good spot making them easy to attack and it means players don't have to generate power with the header.

This was proven against Orient where he got 2 assists from good corners/crosses.
 

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Did i notice that in the 1st Crawley goal, we left BWP up pitch when defending a free kick (Nearly a corner ;)) and low and behold, we broke away and scored...

One to remember Uwe.
 

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I think BWP was marking up at the kick-taker rather than being up the pitch. He was quick off the mark as the ball was cleared - he's obviously not learned the Brentford way yet!
 

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jlove said:
I think BWP was marking up at the kick-taker rather than being up the pitch. He was quick off the mark as the ball was cleared - he's obviously not learned the Brentford way yet!
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Ah i see :sorted:

Camera highlights doesnt show that too well. Perhaps Uwe should take note though, is this the first counter attacking goal we've scored this season?! :confused: Surely not?!
 

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I've always said that it's not about "leaving a player up" (usually easily marked) but about the speed of breaking out once you have possession. Up to now, we have players who seem to jog out without any regard to opportunities or anticipating a quick ball. This means the GK must hang on and slow the whole process down. Harry does get out quicker than most but it was noticable the BWP was not only on his skates but loooking for space in the two part-games he's played in so far. He also seemed to look behind for the runner when he gets it, unlike Harry!
 

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I wonder if Moore (L) might be a danger if he goes up for corners. it is rare that we put both centre backs into the box and Craig has not looked a danger - apart from that near miss against Orient just on halftime
 

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This really is a most interesting thread.
I believe, in time, Harlee Dean will grab a decent number of goals from corners. He has great attacking awareness, but just lacks a bit of accuracy which, hopefully, will improve as he develops.
And Farid, when he returns , could be our biggest arial threat ,albeit probably only in late cameo appearances.
It is certainly an aspect of our game that needs working on.
Oh for a John O'Mara, Andy Mc Culloch or Dean Holdsworth etc!
However, do not rule out Clayton nodding in a couple before the season is out...
 

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I actually said this a few games ago, I really think the corners have been awful this season and we don't fully believe we are going to get on the end of any of them. Set pieces are an example of a great opportunity that you can easily get goals from, and still have played rubbish for the other 89 minutes.
 
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