Fitz as manager?

Fitz as manager?

WHO'S WORSE?

To be honest in their own way they're both poor, Leroy got Torquay promoted and then was heading them for the conference, so I would argue against appointing him in the first place. Scott, if we're honest was only appointed because of the mess the board made of the selection process and basically he was all that was left, with his lack of experience I would question the size of his ego if he honestly thought he could turn this mess around but there is probably more to the club appointing him than we will ever know,which is a little bit sad as we are supposedly a club owned by supporters. I'm sure the blame culture will start to build up over the next few weeks but i maintain as i've always done, if the powers that be had held firm and not gone for the safe option as this club has done over the last 40 years, i.e selling their best players at the worst possible time and continuously shooting themselves in the foot, we would be in the championship now, not heading for league 2. I've heard all the arguments, DJ wanted to go, DJ might have got injured, we had to sell, spineless leadership and decisions which has got us where we are now.
 

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I like Scott but I didn't like today.
I didn't like the way we stuck with it v Northampton until HT and then didn't tighten up at Bradford. I was disappointed with letting the game run away in the 2nd half v Scunthorpe but if this all helps him in his early stages of management then so be it. Scott has done more good than harm to a shocker of a side he inherited.
If MA can take the best side on paper to London Road and lose 4-0 then Scott's 1-0 reverse at Ashton Gate is acceptable I suppose.
 

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If Fitz had been manager from day one, we'd be mid table which most of us would have accepted with what happened in the Summer. He's made us a competitive side since by bringing in his own men and we've lost to the top 2 sides in the division consecutively which is no surprise.

Whoever gets the chance to take over in the Summer gets something not far short of a clean slate and Fitz has done enough for me to be given a crack of the whip.
 

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Jimbee said:
If Fitz had been manager from day one, we'd be mid table which most of us would have accepted with what happened in the Summer. He's made us a competitive side since by bringing in his own men and we've lost to the top 2 sides in the division consecutively which is no surprise.

Whoever gets the chance to take over in the Summer gets something not far short of a clean slate and Fitz has done enough for me to be given a crack of the whip.
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Even if you don't agree with my match report I will agree with this.;)
I would rather have lost 2 or 3 nil by going for it today than seeming to accept a 1-0 though in our position.
 

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Jimbee said:
If Fitz had been manager from day one, we'd be mid table which most of us would have accepted with what happened in the Summer. He's made us a competitive side since by bringing in his own men and we've lost to the top 2 sides in the division consecutively which is no surprise.

Whoever gets the chance to take over in the Summer gets something not far short of a clean slate and Fitz has done enough for me to be given a crack of the whip.
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:imwith:
 

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he got it wrong tioday with formation. also y bring on heywood up front with 5 mins to go, random. y. willock surely would do better, says a lot of his thoughts for willock.
 

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Stats don't really lie and since the new loan signings we've lost 5 games, 2 less then leroy lost in the league overall in a much shorter space of time. You'd also know we were missing key players during those defeats near the end of his stint in charge. Rotherham and Oldham were rolling over teams at home when we lost to them. Rotherham had soundly beaten Forest at home and don't forget what Oldham did to many teams at home including top of the table teams, they hammered Forest. They won god knows how many in a row.

Did we honestly expect to get results from those games??

We did play poorly, but so must of a lot of teams against them.

Leroy produced good performances away at Millwall, at home to Bristol City, Gillingham at home with 10 men and a midfielder in goal, Bradford. Against Swansea I thought we played very well but Knight scored 2 very good goals to beat us, we missed lots that night. It's harsh saying we played well in only one game.

I agree those wins were very good, but we hung on for dear life against Brighton and they had 10 men, Abbey must of made 100 saves at Blackpool, we just took our chances for once. Huddersfield was a good win but they've since sacked the gaffer!

I personally don't think there's been a huge improvement in results.

Most of Fitz loan signings probably weren't available in the summer and Leroy was limited by budget and who was available.
 

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beeeehive said:
Stats don't really lie and since the new loan signings we've lost 5 games, 2 less then leroy lost in the league overall in a much shorter space of time. You'd also know we were missing key players during those defeats near the end of his stint in charge. Rotherham and Oldham were rolling over teams at home when we lost to them. Rotherham had soundly beaten Forest at home and don't forget what Oldham did to many teams at home including top of the table teams, they hammered Forest. They won god knows how many in a row.

Did we honestly expect to get results from those games??

We did play poorly, but so must of a lot of teams against them.

Leroy produced good performances away at Millwall, at home to Bristol City, Gillingham at home with 10 men and a midfielder in goal, Bradford. Against Swansea I thought we played very well but Knight scored 2 very good goals to beat us, we missed lots that night. It's harsh saying we played well in only one game.

I agree those wins were very good, but we hung on for dear life against Brighton and they had 10 men, Abbey must of made 100 saves at Blackpool, we just took our chances for once. Huddersfield was a good win but they've since sacked the gaffer!

I personally don't think there's been a huge improvement in results.

Most of Fitz loan signings probably weren't available in the summer and Leroy was limited by budget and who was available.
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cheers leroy, your a saint
 

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Stats do lie I'm afraid.

It is a very difficult task turning around a struggling side - players low in confidence, anxious when given opportunities and a general negative and unsettling atmosphere around a place. It's also difficult introducing half a dozen or so players into a side without the benefit of good prep time. This is what Fitz inherited and there's only one man responsible for that.

When Leroy left, we were as low as I can ever remember a Brentford side and at least Fitz has restored some pride.
 

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Les Beeavinu said:
Stats do lie I'm afraid.

It is a very difficult task turning around a struggling side - players low in confidence, anxious when given opportunities and a general negative and unsettling atmosphere around a place. It's also difficult introducing half a dozen or so players into a side without the benefit of good prep time. This is what Fitz inherited and there's only one man responsible for that.

When Leroy left, we were as low as I can ever remember a Brentford side and at least Fitz has restored some pride.
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I don't see pride, just hope about to be destroyed completly. All these loan signings we leave in the summer and we still have the same squad.

11 League loses is not acceptable in my view or the amount of players he used to manage this.
 

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I think things at Brentford playing wise are very bad indeed - there are hardly any players I would keep next year. I find it all depressing.
 

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beeeehive said:
Since Scott started signing players we've lost 5 league games, before that we'd lost 6 under him. Leroy lost 7 league games altogether.
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So to whom do you attribute the middle 6 defeats? Sounds like a bit of New Labour spin to me.
 

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Please bear in mind that of your 5 defeats that are down to Fitz, 3 are against the current top three in the division.
 

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Jimbee said:
So to whom do you attribute the middle 6 defeats? Sounds like a bit of New Labour spin to me.
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The guy who picks, motivates and tells the players in the team what to do. 4-0 at home to Doncaster, 4-1 v Millwall, Cheltenham...shocking.

Leroy never lost to teams in the bottom half of the league at the time.
 

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It was a Folan hat-trick if I remember, he's now scoring goals in the Premiership for Wigan, hadn't Chesterfield just beaten Many City or someone at home with him scoring when we played them?

They were a form team at the time, as to were Rotherham.
 

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beeeehive said:
At the time :wave:

Sorry, if you give Rotherhams 10 points back they would of been in the playoffs at the time on form, Chesterfield were in the top half.
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You're wrong.

Very, very wrong.

This table is from before we played Chesterfield: http://www.brentfordfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Match/LeagueTable/0,,10421~20060916,00.html

Can you spot their league position.

This table is from before we played Rotherham: http://www.brentfordfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Match/LeagueTable/0,,10421~20061007,00.html

Where are they? Add ten and where are they?

:wave: :fool:
 

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West Ealing Bee said:
You're wrong.

Very, very wrong.

This table is from before we played Chesterfield: http://www.brentfordfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Match/LeagueTable/0,,10421~20060916,00.html

Can you spot their league position.

This table is from before we played Rotherham: http://www.brentfordfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Match/LeagueTable/0,,10421~20061007,00.html

Where are they? Add ten and where are they?

:wave: :fool:
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http://www.brentfordfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Match/LeagueTable/0,,10421~20061014,00.html

Table for Rotherham, correct one.
 

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beeeehive said:
Just showing things haven't actually got better, in fact they've got worse if you look at stats.
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Do you seriously think any team that Leroy put out could have gone to somewhere like Huddersfield and got a result? You can't only count the disappointments.
 

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alexinho said:
Do you seriously think any team that Leroy put out could have gone to somewhere like Huddersfield and got a result? You can't only count the disappointments.
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There are 4 more disappointments under Fitz in the same amount of games. We'll never know hey.

Leroy had Brentford scoring more goals and gaining more points in less games then Fitz :confused:
 

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West Ealing Bee said:
Again, the table after the game finished.

They were 17th when the game kicked off, if we'd done our job they'd have still been there. They got into the top half because they came up against a Leroy-inspired Brentford.
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Ok my bad, I thought it was before.

Still, you could say they were mid table, then after us they were playoff chasing lol
 

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beeeehive said:
There are 4 more disappointments under Fitz in the same amount of games. We'll never know hey.

Leroy had Brentford scoring more goals and gaining more points in less games then Fitz :confused:
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But we were soooo lucky in some/most of them and then got really found out.
Fitz has had some right horrible luck in this poster's mind.:sad:
 

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Edmundo said:
Well, on the evidence of what my own eyes have seen when watching games, Fitz has transformed the side from a rabble into a football team.
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We're more of a team but we play worse football and only have one tactic, lump it to Shipperley. A guy who can't jump or actually win a majority of headers.

Thank you for Kuffour Leroy, a big big big thank you, our only exciting player to watch.
 

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beeeehive said:
I don't see pride, just hope about to be destroyed completly. All these loan signings we leave in the summer and we still have the same squad.

11 League loses is not acceptable in my view or the amount of players he used to manage this.
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So you didn't read my post then. :rolleyes:

As you're so keen on stats, have a quick look in all divisions over a period of about 10 years and tell me how many teams who were rock bottom at Christmas turned their season around. I'll take a guess and say less than 5% and I'll have another guess and say that 95% of those teams changed their manager.

Judge Fitz on next year's results - this season he's clearing up sh*t but next year he only has himself to blame.
 

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Basically

Leroy = Not good enough

Fitz = No better

Oh for Allen coming in and bringing in the likes of a Talbot in midfield, one of our best signings ever.
 

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Fitz should be given next season to see what he can do.
 

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beeeehive said:
Basically

Leroy = Not good enough

Fitz = No better

Oh for Allen coming in and bringing in the likes of a Talbot in midfield, one of our best signings ever.
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Talbot was a Wally Downes signing... Allen shipped him out because he thought Newman was Talbot with added fitness. How did Martin's expensively assembled squad get on today? Surely he's not going to blow another promotion?
 

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I will say this though - Fitz has got one hell of a job coming up in the summer. Shipperley, Keith, Richards, Leary, Kuffour, Abbey, Griffiths, Willock, Kuffour and even Ide could all be elsewhere next year.
 
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