Yes I thought @Banana himself had said about 800 at one point, so that was the basis for my estimate of at least 5 years. Low tappers can't earn in the ones that never got to their window too - which isn't many now but was all London games and some others in the first couple of years.
Is that even legal? You sell something with the promise of a bonus of X. Then remove that bonus after they've paid?
Indeed.
Appreciate that can’t and shouldn’t go on for eternity with my current attendance level so no issue with changes being brought in but equally wasn’t anticipating having the rug pulled from under me so quickly.Hard to be sure without poring over the T&Cs at the time but if the TAPs system is not a contractual part of the ticket sale terms no. You could I suppose argue there was a misrepresentation inducing those sales contracts but it’s a bit shaky; “Yes your Honour, I really wouldn’t have ordered 6 pints with whiskey chasers at Stripes after the Doncaster game but for the loyalty points on offer”.
I guess the waters are muddied somewhat by the fact that we’re in the PL now as opposed to League One/Championship as we were when many of the TAPs that will be knocked off were acquired. It’s daft but fans will have a sort of attachment to those TAPs because they’re an acknowledgment that you were one of the 200 at Oldham as opposed to the 3,000 at Anfield
Yeah, true.
No apologies needed. THIS reply was the one I wanted
as I suspected it was a bit iffy under numerous possible things whether trade descriptions or misrepresentation.Did a little adding up myself and it looks like the total TAPS available this season / pre-season, including friendlies and cup games is 970.
Looking at all these thresholds (more points available than I expected)...personally I think the system is largely fine as it is for the "new Brentford" who do loads of aways and is going to pretty quickly going to catch up in points, in a few years, with those who've been going for a long time, but not doing loads of aways.
I really wish we could have this debate without using the term “new Brentford”. It’s needlessly divisive. My kids never saw us in the lower leagues because they weren’t alive then, are they “new Brentford”?
I am. Because the person who has "lots" of TAPs now has built them up over many seasons. A new Bee will also build there TAPs over a number of years - or when do you think they should achieve parity? A month, a week, immediately?
If they descended from old Brentford then they’re not new Brentford
It wasn't meant to be.....it's just a lot quicker to say that "fans without a load of taps because they haven't been going for more than half a decade".
Ok well my family have been going to Brentford since the 1930s so I think we’re good then! ?
Good list. So Banana was close when he said 1000 then.
No it's complete illegal under the Parliament Hates Brentford Act 2013.
Bloody coalition government. This is what happens when you let Nick Clegg near power.
Reminder: TAPs encapsulated ONE season of lower league football.
I’ve read a few times why should someone who doesn’t go as often get a ticket over someone who goes regularly.Yeah. I'm struggling to see much of an issue here.
Doesn’t make much sense to me.
If they go regularly then they are getting the ticket and building taps, and the people who don’t go often will fall behind eventually if they continue not going.
How the system should work.
Yes, don’t disagree with all that. But atm it’s v hard for junior fans to catch up. If my 10 year old keeps attending every game he possibly can it will still take 6+ years to get a Bournemouth ticket at the current rate as he can only close the gap by around 400 a year on someone only doing home and 1-2 away who already has 4k+ taps.
Doesn’t make much sense to me.
If they go regularly then they are getting the ticket and building taps, and the people who don’t go often will fall behind eventually if they continue not going.
How the system should work.
This is one of many reasons why I agree with the change and my taps are being chopped in half.
Yep, I think a 'catch-up' period of 6+ years under the circumstances you've described is too long and demonstrates why some tweaks are required. However, if you doubled, tripled or even quadrupled current TAPs awarded for individual games it would dilute the 'legacy' TAPs and make the catch up period much more 'reasonable' whilst allowing existing top TAP'ers to remain at the top (if they're still going regularly). I'm sure some will say that it's the tranche you're in and not the amount of TAPs you have that matters but isn't there a possibility we might draw someone with a tiny away allocation like Harrogate, Sutton, Salford, Barrow(!) etc one day in the cup? In which case, you'll need to be at the very, very top to be in tranche 1.
We go back to the 30s as well and my grandson is a fifth generation Bee. As his TAPs build up it will be poetic justice if it is me he displaces in the TAPs rankings.
So if a 10 year old boy has 3310 TAPs all earned since 2017 he will not lose any points or does he also lose points from pre 2021 ?
It's not only Bournemouth, Fulham or Luton. It will probably include all the other London games at normal Saturday 3pm kick off (Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Palace and WestHam). Recently these have been moved around for TV, which helped the likes of us that only started in the last years of the championship.
Bournemouth sold out yesterday...problem solved
?Bournemouth sold out yesterday...problem solved
It is an easy one to answer?... once the policy is announced.
it sounds like he will lose points from 2017 to 2020, but it won't be as many as those like yourself who also attended before that. If he's attended regular 2021-25 and continues to do so he'll move up the queue, not down.
Your TAPs will get closer together and this will actually make it easier to buy seats together at away games in future.
It sold out yesterday ?Bournemouth sold out yesterday...problem solved
It is an easy one to answer?... once the policy is announced.
it sounds like he will lose points from 2017 to 2020, but it won't be as many as those like yourself who also attended before that. If he's attended regular 2021-25 and continues to do so he'll move up the queue, not down.
Your TAPs will get closer together and this will actually make it easier to buy seats together at away games in future.
You are 100% correct. I have never in my life read such twaddle in one tread over a non issue. Absolutely beggars belief.
Yeah soon it will be like Zimbawian currency and 200000000000000 TAPs for Arsenal at home
I'm not sure your point makes sense but you've made a habit on this thread of dismissing reasonable observations / suggestions by taking something completely out of context and adding some puerile exaggeration to it. It's tiresome.
The eventually is “after about 5-10 years”.
Doesn’t make much sense to me.
If they go regularly then they are getting the ticket and building taps, and the people who don’t go often will fall behind eventually if they continue not going.
How the system should work.
Let me try again. The issue with your suggestion is it is not a permanent fix. It is a sticking plaster that would require fixing again and again and again until it gets to the point where quadrupling TAPs every season would mean handling very large numbers to the point of ridicule. Hope that explains it better.
But then they would have to take another 10 years to get as many TAPs as someone who has been attending 20 years ( by then). Meanwhile you, with your 10 years of TAPs, are behind no-one that attended for 10 years before you came along.
..............far too sensible and factual.................
All so someone can potentially sit with their offspring at Muff/Luton away.. I've worked on major IT transformations that are less complex and meaningful than this... ???
I wasn't suggesting that it needs regular increases- just a one off to water down big legacy TAPs in the short term whilst a rolling system is introduced and embedded over a period of time rather than overnight. I thought the primary ‘target’ of the cull were big TAP holders that don’t go to games regularly anymore but under the anticipated proposals that we’re hearing about it seems as though a lot of top TAP’ers (who are still attending regularly) will immediately become equals to those that have ‘only’ been attending regularly for 5 seasons (4 of which are Premier League). I guess some might say that is correct but I personally think the it’s too soon to erase all recognition of legacy TAPs.
