General Cricket Thread

[rebus]

The use of words has once again taken over the important message. That message is that Black and South Asian men and women have terrible representation at every level of cricket, right from grass roots in my experience. It's just a shame that this guy, saying things with absolutely the right intentions of it being a challenge to overcome, now sees himself being pulled apart for the language he used. This guy doesn't seem like a racist to me, probably just can't keep up with the immense rulebook needed on how to have open debate without someone taking offence. Very pleased he bothered, he'll probably have to retire now and let some other poor f***er pick his (or her) way through the minefield.

He came across as ignorant, ill informed, and falling into the same tropes. I expect better from a county chair. Middlesex deserves better.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

He came across as ignorant, ill informed, and falling into the same tropes. I expect better from a county chair. Middlesex deserves better.

Ignorant in explaining one of the real problems in English cricket? Maybe we should just ignore it, that'll get it sorted.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

"We are very determined to ensure that the diverse communities that we cover have a real opportunity to appreciate the benefit that cricket offers at every age, gender and ability.

“The group of people who have helped Middlesex Cricket to get to this point are also very determined that these plans are carried through, and as a result we become a more welcoming and much more inclusive representation of cricket at every level – both professional and recreational, on and off the field of play.

“In today's world, cricket has a very important part to play, and we will be working with the governing body of the game, the England and Wales Cricket Board, and other counties to demonstrate this focus."

 

[Les Beeavinu]

MIDDLESEX LAUNCHES DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION ACTIVATION PLAN

MIDDLESEX CRICKET LAUNCHES DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION ACTIVATION PLAN Middlesex Cricket can today unveil the launch of its Diversity and Inclusion Activation Plan, which aims to address four fundamental areas across the capital and within the seventeen boroughs of Middlesex. The product of months...

www.middlesexccc.com

 

[Les Beeavinu]

A different Mike O'Farrell do we think?

 

[Indian Bee]

It’s not true and you’ve just fallen into the same trap. It’s people like him holding cricket back, no one else.

I’ll be intrigued to know what trap I have fallen into?

 

[rebus]

"We are very determined to ensure that the diverse communities that we cover have a real opportunity to appreciate the benefit that cricket offers at every age, gender and ability.

“The group of people who have helped Middlesex Cricket to get to this point are also very determined that these plans are carried through, and as a result we become a more welcoming and much more inclusive representation of cricket at every level – both professional and recreational, on and off the field of play.

“In today's world, cricket has a very important part to play, and we will be working with the governing body of the game, the England and Wales Cricket Board, and other counties to demonstrate this focus."

Is this what was written for him afterwards by their Head of Communications?

 

[Les Beeavinu]

No, it's from the Middlesex Diversity and Inclusion plan.

 

[Indian Bee]

His statement to clarify his comments. Let’s not target him and make him to be the problem with cricket when his record at Middlesex over the years has been progressive.

“I wholly accept that this misunderstanding is entirely down to my own lack of clarity and context in the answers I provided, and I am devastated that my comments have led to the conclusions some have made.

“For the purposes of clarification, I was aiming to make the point that as a game, cricket has failed a generation of young cricketers, in systematically failing to provide them with the same opportunities that other sports and sectors so successfully provide.

“Cricket has to take responsibility for these failings and must learn that until we make the game an attractive proposition for youngsters of all backgrounds to continue through the pathway into the professional game, much like other sports and sectors are doing, the game won’t make the progress it needs to.

“We at Middlesex are no different. We have an Academy side that contains in excess of 60% British born Asian and black young cricketers, and we must take responsibility for ensuring that the route into the professional game is as accessible and appealing as other sports or opportunities.

“I speak on behalf of the entire Club in saying that our desire is to see a first eleven walking out to play for the Club which is truly reflective of the broadly diverse county that Middlesex is today and that we will do all within our power to make that happen.

 

[rebus]

No, it's from the Middlesex Diversity and Inclusion plan.

So what point are you making? I don’t see this plan making references to combating massive Asian flight into education (!), which was one of the - misguided - tenants of his response to the DCMS committee. He leads the county and sets the tone when speaking publicly. It’s the same as Cliff Crown making reference to “handicapped” people in a pre-coved fans forum but perhaps you think that’s okay too.

You get annoyed at people being offended by him but can’t see why. I can’t see why you don’t understand how ignorant his comments were. The only rule book he needs to follow is not make sweeping statements about an entire race of people and actually educate himself of the problems on the ground. Middlesex should be teeming with British Asian talent given the populace in the county.

 

[rebus]

His statement to clarify his comments. Let’s not target him and make him to be the problem with cricket when his record at Middlesex over the years has been progressive.

“I wholly accept that this misunderstanding is entirely down to my own lack of clarity and context in the answers I provided, and I am devastated that my comments have led to the conclusions some have made.

“For the purposes of clarification, I was aiming to make the point that as a game, cricket has failed a generation of young cricketers, in systematically failing to provide them with the same opportunities that other sports and sectors so successfully provide.

“Cricket has to take responsibility for these failings and must learn that until we make the game an attractive proposition for youngsters of all backgrounds to continue through the pathway into the professional game, much like other sports and sectors are doing, the game won’t make the progress it needs to.

“We at Middlesex are no different. We have an Academy side that contains in excess of 60% British born Asian and black young cricketers, and we must take responsibility for ensuring that the route into the professional game is as accessible and appealing as other sports or opportunities.

“I speak on behalf of the entire Club in saying that our desire is to see a first eleven walking out to play for the Club which is truly reflective of the broadly diverse county that Middlesex is today and that we will do all within our power to make that happen.

Written by his head of media clearing up his sh*t show.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

So what point are you making? I don’t see this plan making references to combating massive Asian flight into education (!), which was one of the - misguided - tenants of his response to the DCMS committee. He leads the county and sets the tone when speaking publicly. It’s the same as Cliff Crown making reference to “handicapped” people in a pre-coved fans forum but perhaps you think that’s okay too.

You get annoyed at people being offended by him but can’t see why. I can’t see why you don’t understand how ignorant his comments were. The only rule book he needs to follow is not make sweeping statements about an entire race of people and actually educate himself of the problems on the ground. Middlesex should be teeming with British Asian talent given the populace in the county.

We're not going to agree. You would never change your position on anything so there's little point in me trying. Oh and tenet.

 

[rebus]

We're not going to agree. You would never change your position on anything so there's little point in me trying. Oh and tenet.

Apology accepted.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Apology accepted.

I have no interest in debating with anyone with that level of insecurity and immaturity.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

I have no interest in debating with anyone with that level of insecurity and immaturity.

You can debate with me instead then snotface.
First though, does my bum look big in this?

 

[rebus]

I have no interest in debating with anyone with that level of insecurity and immaturity.

You mean you haven’t got any answers and you seem to have a problem with people addressing casual racism. Quite white where you live, isn’t it?

 

[Les Beeavinu]

I'm not biting.

 

[sonofabee]

It’s not true and you’ve just fallen into the same trap. It’s people like him holding cricket back, no one else.

Why out of interest?

 

[sonofabee]

So what point are you making? I don’t see this plan making references to combating massive Asian flight into education (!), which was one of the - misguided - tenants of his response to the DCMS committee. He leads the county and sets the tone when speaking publicly. It’s the same as Cliff Crown making reference to “handicapped” people in a pre-coved fans forum but perhaps you think that’s okay too.

You get annoyed at people being offended by him but can’t see why. I can’t see why you don’t understand how ignorant his comments were. The only rule book he needs to follow is not make sweeping statements about an entire race of people and actually educate himself of the problems on the ground. Middlesex should be teeming with British Asian talent given the populace in the county.

You might want to stop digging, you’re making yourself look really silly. I didn’t think the chap in question came across as racist in his views in anyway but has conceded he may have phrased it better.
I don’t think he needed to personally apologise but don’t believe they makes me a racist or a supporter of casual racism.
You are once again looking for an argument where people don’t have the appetite for one but are getting irked by you being a pain.

 

[Sheerwater Bee]

Don't worry Les, you can debate with me. Lots of Asians where I live, so I should be in the clear.....

 

[badgerbee]

Good to see the England Women's team doing their best to emulate their male counterparts in the fist Test in their Ashes series.....?

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Good to see the England Women's team doing their best to emulate their male counterparts in the fist Test in their Ashes series.....?

Sadly missed watching this but it was a great game of cricket. For England to even get a sniff of winning when they looked like they were going to follow on was pretty amazing.

 

[badgerbee]

Sadly missed watching this but it was an great game of cricket. For England to even get a sniff of winning when they looked like they were going to follow on was pretty amazing.

Good effort, but really shouldn't have been hanging on at the end, having needed 45 from 60 balls with seven wickets remaining......

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Good effort, but really shouldn't have been hanging on at the end, having needed 45 from 60 balls with seven wickets remaining......

Women eh?

 

[badgerbee]

Women eh?

As I said, doing their best to make the men's team feel a little bit better, it would seem.....

 

[Judio1999]

Franchise cricket event announced

August 3rd to September 3rd

Two to three weeks later than 2021 edition

 

[wanderer paul]

Ashley Giles leaves his position as England Managing Director……. A new start……

 

[Untouchable]

 

[Holysmit]

Ashley Giles leaves his position as England Managing Director……. A new start……

Bye.

f*** off and dont ever come back.

Been sh*t in every off field job hes done.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

If ever a man maximised every ounce of his mediocrity, it is Giles.

 

[Indian Bee]

Ashley Giles leaves his position as England Managing Director……. A new start……

I believe he was sacked. I am surprised Silverwood is still in his role.

 

[Indian Bee]

India v England U19 World Cup Final this Saturday

 

[Untouchable]

India v England U19 World Cup Final this Saturday

Englands death bowling against Afghanistan was excellent. Should be a great match.

 

[Cham]

Chris Silverwood sacked

 

[wanderer paul]

Start afresh. ?

 

[LostBee]

Had to happen.

Seemed a nice guy and I'm sure he tried his best but

 

[Indian Bee]

As @LostBee said had to happen. I suspect ECB will be looking to recruit a Managing Director first then will look to find Silverwood’s replacement. It’s a good opportunity for England to turn the corner as long as they get the appointment for their successors right. Will be interesting to see how the recruitment plays out …

 

[aawharris]

Franchise cricket event announced

August 3rd to September 3rd

Two to three weeks later than 2021 edition

Cant they just make it November time, so the actual cricket gets called off and all the kiddy winks that the ECB are so desperate to pull in can just watch a Jessie J concert?

 

[aawharris]

Chris Silverwood sacked

Will just be another job for one of the old boys

 

[Cham]

Will just be another job for one of the old boys

Gary Kirsten is the favourite

 

[SpiderBee]

It’s not true and you’ve just fallen into the same trap. It’s people like him holding cricket back, no one else.

In my experiences at my club, "Asian" parents want every option available for their children and drive them forward thus so!

 

[SpiderBee]

He came across as ignorant, ill informed, and falling into the same tropes. I expect better from a county chair. Middlesex deserves better.

You can expect what you like but the man has put too many years into cricket and your reactionary response does not help.
Where will your type of response end. The man is not ignorant, he is not ill informed, but he just might have worded things better. THAT IS ALL

 

[TW3Bee]

Chris Silverwood sacked

 

[rebus]

You can expect what you like but the man has put too many years into cricket and your reactionary response does not help.
Where will your type of response end. The man is not ignorant, he is not ill informed, but he just might have worded things better. THAT IS ALL

No, it’s my opinion that he is and his response stank. Nothing more to be said.

 

[SpiderBee]

No, it’s my opinion that he is and his response stank. Nothing more to be said.

OK. But you are a fool

 

[rebus]

OK. But you are a fool

Which is fine, but I’m not going to be denied my opinion and I won’t seek to deny yours.

 

[Gazza Bee]

Can see Strauss being the permanent Managing Director - very well respected within cricketing circles (bar a certain ex-England player). As for the coach - not a lot of outstanding candidates out there so Kirsten would seem to be the obvious choice.

 

[Indian Bee]

Thorpe sacked. The batting coach had to be so no surprises. Looks like a proper clear out. I think this is good for England.

 

[Indian Bee]

Can see Strauss being the permanent Managing Director - very well respected within cricketing circles (bar a certain ex-England player). As for the coach - not a lot of outstanding candidates out there so Kirsten would seem to be the obvious choice.

Kirsten was the right man for the job 3/4 years ago. Not sure he is not for England - only been coaching franchise cricket teams.

 

[Gazza Bee]

Kirsten was the right man for the job 3/4 years ago. Not sure he is not for England - only been coaching franchise cricket teams.

To be honest who is out there that is an outstanding candidate - I don't see anyone at the moment